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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Unanswered questions: Heated Mirrors?
Re: FTE 97up - New post
Re: FTE 97up - engine replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Unanswered questions: Heated Mirrors?
RE: FTE 97up - New post
Re: FTE 97up - New post
Re: FTE 97up - New post
FTE 97up - Bed light
RE: FTE 97up - Bed light
FTE 97up - New (to me) '98
FTE 97up - Convex Mirror Availability?
Re: FTE 97up - New post
Re: FTE 97up - Bed light
FTE 97up - Forwarded for "Keith Veren"
FTE 97up - factory alarm?
FTE 97up - personalized tags.....
FTE 97up - Re: CB Mount - 99.5 F350 6spd, manual 4X4
RE: FTE 97up - personalized tags.....
FTE 97up - Poll for Ranger 4x2 with 2.5l and 5spd
FTE 97up - Dallas, Texas
Re: FTE 97up - personalized tags.....
Re: FTE 97up - personalized tags.....

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:30:25 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Unanswered questions: Heated Mirrors?

As far as the theft light, if you have the anti-theft system it will light up
after locking the doors and it will begin flashing. I think there is a 20-30
second delay before it starts flashing. Once it starts flashing it is
"armed". This system comes with the remote keyless entry and is on the remote
control. The only way to turn it off is either with the remote or with the
key.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:35:35 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New post

I must disagree slightly with Jean Marc, I have a 97 F-150 with the 4.6, my
gear ratio is 3.73. Of course I also have the off road package which may be
why I have a lower gear ratio. I cannot remember off hand the code on my
drivers door, but I do know I have a 3.73 with limited slip. Not trying to be
discourteous just stating a fact.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:55:49 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine replacement

No it will be the same as what you had.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Manuel Ziegler
To:
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 9:50 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - engine replacement


> I have a 1998 regular cab with the 5.4l engine, the engine will be
> replaced by ford in a few days due to piston slap. Can anyone tell me if
> the new engine being replaced will be the updated model with the 260 hp
and
> if the new engines have been redesigned to overcome the problem of piston
> slap. Is there a way to tell which engine that is being put into my truck
by
> markings or id numbers, I appreciate any info that is availlable.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:55:10 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Unanswered questions: Heated Mirrors?

I would guess they'd interchange. I (like 90% of the dealers in this area)
have yet to recieive an Excusion (even though most dealers in Minnesota seem
to have two of them), so I haven't had a chance to look to see if they
interchange.

Nathan

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From: Jeff Schapker
To:
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Unanswered questions: Heated Mirrors?


> What about the Excursions heated mirrors interchanging with the Super
Duty?
> Talk to my parts department and the mirrors are $125.00 a piece but they
had
> no idea if they would work on my truck. Who would know about this?
> Jeff
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:16:10 -0400
From: Steve Zinski
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New post

JMC,

My 1998 F-150 4x4 with 5.4L came with the E40D transmission. While
researching the Banks TransCommand, I was told that I might actually have
the A40D. I called Ford with my VIN# and was told that I do indeed have a
bona fide E40D.

--Steve

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jean Marc Chartier [mailto:jmc.chartier sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 1:36 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New post

The difference in the two trucks is as follows: the 250
has a stronger frame and is rated to tow more. It has a
full floating rear end and 10.25" differential. The F-150
with the 4.6L does not and it has an 8.8" diff. The 4.6 is
rated at 220 HP and 290 lbs ft of torque and the 5.4 is 235
hp and 330 lbs ft. The auto in the 250 is the E4OD and is
slightly better than the 4R70W that is in the 97 F-150.
Both trucks have the same front 8.8" differential. Look at
the axle code on the Vehicle Certification label. The F-150
has either an 18 for a 3.08 gear or a 19 for a 3.55 gear or
H9 for a 3.55 Limited slip. The F-250 has either a 27 for
a 3.31 gear or a 26 for a 3.73 or a B6 for a 3.73 limited
slip. This label is usually on the driver side door
pillar. It sounds like the 250 was used like a work
vehicle. Start the engine when it is cold and listen for
piston slap.

Good luck with your choice.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:32:48 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New post

Wolvrin704 aol.com wrote:
>
> I must disagree slightly with Jean Marc, I have a 97 F-150 with the 4.6, my
> gear ratio is 3.73. Of course I also have the off road package which may be
> why I have a lower gear ratio. I cannot remember off hand the code on my
> drivers door, but I do know I have a 3.73 with limited slip. Not trying to be
> discourteous just stating a fact.
>
> Jeff Craigmyle
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Jeff,

You have a rare duck, please at your earliest convenience
check the axle code and post the results.

Kindest regards

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:36:55 -0400
From: roger e guilford
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New post

Hi ..i was researching the tranny for my 98 5.4 and found that the tranny can
be identified by the dipstick. if the dipstick has a round plastic bulb end
it's an E40D, a hole in the end of the stick means the 4R70W.
Roger


Steve Zinski wrote:

> JMC,
>
> My 1998 F-150 4x4 with 5.4L came with the E40D transmission. While
> researching the Banks TransCommand, I was told that I might actually have
> the A40D. I called Ford with my VIN# and was told that I do indeed have a
> bona fide E40D.
>
> --Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean Marc Chartier [mailto:jmc.chartier sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 1:36 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New post
>
> The difference in the two trucks is as follows: the 250
> has a stronger frame and is rated to tow more. It has a
> full floating rear end and 10.25" differential. The F-150
> with the 4.6L does not and it has an 8.8" diff. The 4.6 is
> rated at 220 HP and 290 lbs ft of torque and the 5.4 is 235
> hp and 330 lbs ft. The auto in the 250 is the E4OD and is
> slightly better than the 4R70W that is in the 97 F-150.
> Both trucks have the same front 8.8" differential. Look at
> the axle code on the Vehicle Certification label. The F-150
> has either an 18 for a 3.08 gear or a 19 for a 3.55 gear or
> H9 for a 3.55 Limited slip. The F-250 has either a 27 for
> a 3.31 gear or a 26 for a 3.73 or a B6 for a 3.73 limited
> slip. This label is usually on the driver side door
> pillar. It sounds like the 250 was used like a work
> vehicle. Start the engine when it is cold and listen for
> piston slap.
>
> Good luck with your choice.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:17:10 -0700
From: "Rivera, Max"
Subject: FTE 97up - Bed light

I would like to know if there is a way to turn on the bed light in my 97
f150 without having to leave open the doors? Looked in the manual and
searched inside the cab for any obvious switches.

thanks

Maximo D. Rivera
Compaq Global Support Center
14231 Tandem Blvd., LOC-116
Austin, TX 78728-6699
*Phone # 1-800-255-5010
*Fax # 1-512-218-6726
*Email mailto:max.rivera compaq.com



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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:39:19 -0400
From: Steve Zinski
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed light

Yes, turn your dashboard dimmer adjustment knob past the brightest setting
and it will "click" and turn on your dome light and your bed light.

--Steve


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From: Rivera, Max [mailto:max.rivera compaq.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:17 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 97up - Bed light


I would like to know if there is a way to turn on the bed light in my 97
f150 without having to leave open the doors? Looked in the manual and
searched inside the cab for any obvious switches.

thanks

Maximo D. Rivera
Compaq Global Support Center
14231 Tandem Blvd., LOC-116
Austin, TX 78728-6699
*Phone # 1-800-255-5010
*Fax # 1-512-218-6726
*Email mailto:max.rivera compaq.com



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Date: 19 Oct 1999 14:53:23 -0700
From: "Nicholas Theyer"
Subject: FTE 97up - New (to me) '98

I finally took over the lease on my friend's 1998 F-150 Lariat Flareside S=
C. A couple of things that concern me that I've noticed on the list that I=
would like to have addressed are: The infamous crack. They have manifest=
ed on both driver's and passenger doors. The other thing is that my friend=
was telling me that someone he knows got a replacement '99 installed under=
warranty because of a sound when the truck is started in the morning. I n=
oticed some noise this morning, not quite ticking, but definitely some soun=
d. It went away after maybe 15 seconds. Is this just low oil pressure to =
the top of the motor?

Another question... Does Ford cover things like a noisy serpentine belt? =
This morning when getting out to drop off a video, I heard what sounds lik=
e possibly a bad bearing on a pump or idler wheel etc. Does Ford cover thi=
s under warranty.

The vehicle has 42,000 kms on it.

I guess my question is how should I go about getting these things fixed? =
Has anyone found particularly effective ways of getting these issues resolv=
ed? Are there any other issues with a '98 F-150 w/5.4L and 4sp auto that I=
should worry about?

Thanks a lot gentlemen/ladies.

Nicholas Theyer
Production Planner
Crown Packaging Kelowna
Corrugated Division
2092 Enterprise Way, Kelowna, BC V1Y 6H7
(250) 712-3306


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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:52:48 -0600
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: FTE 97up - Convex Mirror Availability?

I'm looking for a convex mirror to replace the standard flat passenger-side
mirror on a '99 Super Duty. I don't think the passenger-side mirror has an
adequate coverage angle, and a slightly convex mirror would help a lot. I've
considered upgrading to the towing mirrors, but I think the convex area is too
small, although if I can't find anything else, I still may do that.

Any ideas for a source?

Thanks,

Alan






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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:55:10 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New post

Steve Zinski wrote:
>
> JMC,
>
> My 1998 F-150 4x4 with 5.4L came with the E40D transmission. While
> researching the Banks TransCommand, I was told that I might actually have
> the A40D. I called Ford with my VIN# and was told that I do indeed have a
> bona fide E40D.
>
> --Steve
>

Steve,

I am referring to 1997 model year in which the F-150 4.6L
got the 4R70W. I did not mean to ineptly that all models of
F-150s got the 4R70W. In 1997 the 5.4 did indeed get the
E4OD. Sorry for the confusion.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:02:08 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed light

"Rivera, Max" wrote:
>
> I would like to know if there is a way to turn on the bed light in my 97
> f150 without having to leave open the doors? Looked in the manual and
> searched inside the cab for any obvious switches.
>
> thanks
>
> Maximo D. Rivera
> Compaq Global Support Center
> 14231 Tandem Blvd., LOC-116
> Austin, TX 78728-6699
> *Phone # 1-800-255-5010
> *Fax # 1-512-218-6726
> *Email mailto:max.rivera compaq.com
>
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Max,

Have you tried the Dome light switch? It is next to the
headlight switch. You rotate it till the Dome lamp comes
on.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:20:04 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE 97up - Forwarded for "Keith Veren"

Forwarded for "Keith Veren"

>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New post
>
>Get the 250.
>
>Keith
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Schumacher
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 7:48 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - New post
>
>
>> Hey Guys, I have a new question, opinions welcome.
>>
>> I am going to sell my 93 F-150 4X4 in favor of a late model truck this
>> spring. I have two prosective trucks, one is a 97 F250 4X4, which has a
>> 5.4. The other truck is a 97 F150 4X4 with a 4.6. The F150 is much
>> cleaner, with about 10k less miles, and perfect paint. The F250 is in
>good
>> running order, except for a scratched up bed, couple dings, and dirty
>> carpet. The F250 i can get for about $14000, and the F150 for about
>17000.
>>
>> My real question is how much difference is there between the 4.6L and the
>> 5.4L? Now I have a 5.0 with cat back exhaust in my truck, and god forbid
>me
>> to buy a new truck with less power! Also, is there a difference in gas
>> mileage? Finally, is there much structural difference in the F250 vs
>F150?
>>
>> By the way, in case you want to make a more educated decision, I need the
>> truck for hauling a motorcycle in the bed once and a while, towing a few
>> snowcats in the winter, and for navigating North Dakotan fields for
>hunting.
>> Also we get plenty of white stuff from November to April.
>>
>> Thanks for reading my novel guys! I'll appreciate any and all opinions!
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Mike Schumacher
>> 1993 F150 4X4 5.0
>> The big YELLOW truck.
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________
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Date: 19 Oct 99 18:32:35 EDT
From: Andthensometoo
Subject: FTE 97up - factory alarm?

[No, no alarm goes off, I tried several ways of tripping it. Does anybody=

have a stock alarm on a SD Ford PU? My guess is it isn't/wasn't an option=
=2E
Which I think is a big short coming]

Mine has "keyless entry" this is the alarm. and the word "theft" lights u=
p
when armed.




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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:03:38 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - personalized tags.....

Anyone have any suggestions for a plate on a F250SD PSD 4x4, that sounds like
jet-plane everyone says.
I guess that 5in exhaust and no-cat really makes it takeoff. Everytime i
leave work at airport i call for clearance,lol!


TIA
RS
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:22:09 PDT
From: "Art Verling"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: CB Mount - 99.5 F350 6spd, manual 4X4

Dan,

I have a f250 in my shop and if you open the hood stand on the drivers side
look inside the engine compartment between the brake booster and the fender
you will see a black plastic filler plate. You can pop it out drill a hole
in it and run any wires through it. If you don't have this plate you will
need to drill a 3/4" hole and put a grommet in it.
You can pull power from the front fuse block over the driver side fender
well or inside the cab near the drivers left knee under the panel. The fuse
block in the engine compartment has higher amp rating than the on inside the
cab. You will need some type of fuse tap. I recommend the type that looks
like it will hold two fuses and has a short pigtail to crimp a wire to. If
you use the little gold fuse taps that go around the fuse leg you can never
remove the tap. It bends the pins inside the fuse block and will cause
intermittent power problems.
To remove the headliner you must remove both of the shoulder harnesses pull
the rubber around the door down so the headliner will clear remove the
plastic from both sides behind the doors. Remove the little hanger things
and the lamp by the back window. Remove the visors and other equipment from
the headliner and it will just about fall down.

Good Luck,
Art
art.verling excite.com




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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:59:58 -0400
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - personalized tags.....

How 'bout: ETA NOW

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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 7:04 PM
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Subject: FTE 97up - personalized tags.....


Anyone have any suggestions for a plate on a F250SD PSD 4x4, that sounds
like
jet-plane everyone says.
I guess that 5in exhaust and no-cat really makes it takeoff. Everytime i
leave work at airport i call for clearance,lol!


TIA
RS
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:05:02 -0400
From: "Matthew Powell"
Subject: FTE 97up - Poll for Ranger 4x2 with 2.5l and 5spd

Hello all,

I own a 99 Ranger with the 2.5 and the manual tranny. I have had mine for 3
days short of a year (yes i remember the exact day i bought it, it is my
first new vehicle). I am a mountain biker, so you can imagine the use it
gets for recreation!! Anyway, I have a few questions for anyone with the
2.5l.

1. Name that truck: What engine/tranny combo, what bed length, cab config,
and any option packages?
2. What size tires do you have on your truck?
3. What kind of after market costumizations have you done?
4. How much do you drive in a week?
5. What grade of fuel do you use?
6. What kind of gas milage do you get?

That's it!!

Now, here are my answers:
1. 1999 Ranger XL, 2.5l 5m, 6', Regular, XL Sport Package and AC. (black)
2. Front: 225/75r15, Rear stock 225/70r15 (I know, I shouldnt mixe sizes,
but some dipstick cut one and I ran over a nail so i bought cheap pair for
the front to hold me off until december when I am getting BFGoodrich T/A KO
235/75 15)
3. K&N Air filter, ADI AR-146 50W 2M FM, Motorolla 2M/6M dual band, 65W Fog
Lights, 2 5" 55W strobes (red shell) for ARC/EMS services.
4. About 400 miles
5. 86 (or 87 if im not near the place that sells the 86)
6. ~25mpg on the 86 and ~22 on the 87 (VERY much depends on brand!!!)

Thanks all

PS. anyone else is invited to answer, but I am mostly interested in people
with trucks like mine.


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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:43:04 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Dallas, Texas

Does anyone on the list live in or near Dallas, Texas? If so, please
contact me at my e-mail, or by phone as soon as convenient. I am thinking
of purchasing a Classic Car ('67 Camero) from a dealer in Dallas, and would
like some advice/information. Thank you!

Keith W. Veren
Tel. (978) 443-4600
Fax: (978) 443-0098
E-mail: spectrum-ehs worldnet.att.net


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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:58:39 -0700
From: William Street
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - personalized tags.....

4X4 PLAY

I was gonna use it in CA but the wife said no.... :-)....

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