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In this issue:

FTE 97up - To extend or not to extend...
Re: FTE 97up - To extend or not to extend...
FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250
Re: FTE 97up - My 00 SD is never coming
Re: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250
Re: FTE 97up - To extend or not to extend...
FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)
Re: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)
FTE 97up - Wheel torque spec
RE: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)
FTE 97up - test
RE: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)
FTE 97up - CB Wiring
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Archives
Re: FTE 97up - CB Wiring
RE: FTE 97up - CB Wiring
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Interview with Bob Masone, F150 Brand Manager!
Re: FTE 97up - CB Wiring
FTE 97up - Extended Warranty for f/450??
FTE 97up - 99 F350 4X4 5th Wheel Tow Height
RE: FTE 97up - 99 F350 4X4 5th Wheel Tow Height

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:10:33 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Huse
Subject: FTE 97up - To extend or not to extend...

Shane,

If you need the room, get the extended van. Look into a Quigley 4x4
conversion (somewhat pricey..). A LS rear is the minimum you need if
you're in snow and ice a lot, a selectable locker diff would be better.

I have the semi-useless LS (P.O.S. in the real world, but cheaper than
lockers), but I also carry a set of big-rig snowchains. Guess that won't
cut it for you, can't imagine how to put on chains (in a snowstorm)
while in a wheelchair...

Can't you rearrange the seating to accept both wheelchair access and two
bench seats in a regular van (requires creative luggage stacking, but
anyway)...?

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Bjornar Huse
Aalesund, Norway
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://bryggen.bgnett.no/~bjornar
1 Son, 4 yrs, 1 son born 23 May 1999
1 1990 Ford E-250 Club Wagon 7.3 diesel, 3.54, E4OD
1 1994 Ford Escort 1.3
1 1947 Studebaker M-15 A-28 dump truck
Oh, yes, one 1971 wife, too!

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:16:10 EDT
From: CERESJohnG

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - To extend or not to extend...

Shane;

There is always a lot of discussion pro/con out there about various L:/S
differentials.

In reality the GM system (sorry about this Ford folks) has some advantages
for street use. Aside from the fact that the smaller units have a nasty
tendancy to break if abused,(hard off roading, large tires, big engines,
continual street dargs) the "GOV-LOK" is unique in that the limited slip
does not start to act until there is 100 rpm difference between the two
wheels (abt 3 mph). That's different from Ford or D/C wher the limited slip
is in effect unless broken by hard differential action (turning a corner).
In otherwords, the GM system gives you an open differential until you need
some locking action.

John G

Outside of a selectable locker such as the ARB air unit, which would cost
about $800 to $900 in parts, the GM system for the highway seems to me
(personally) to be a better concept.

I don't want to start a big thread on this and I am not criticizing Fords,
It's just a personal opinion on limited slip rear ends.

John G
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:10:09 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250

I've seen a few comments on 99 pricing. I am also looking
at getting a 2000 year F-350. Question is what is my F-250
Lariat SD SC 4x2, V10 worth to sell myself? It was bought
in March of 99, it now has 8200 miles on it. The original
sticker price was $30,345. My dealer tells me to ask
$26,995 for it and settle for no less than $25,500. I've
been going to this dealer for over 20 years and he's always
told me like it is, but said he would like the truck as a
trade in, but will not give a trade in price till the new
one arrives (who knows when). What's your thoughts on the
pricing?? Thanks, Bill
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:15:03 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 00 SD is never coming

The allocation can make all the difference in delivery time. Size of the
dealership doesn't really matter. Usually the small dealers have better
availability on trucks (especially HD's), and the big dealers have
preference on cars (although there's no wait for anyone on cars right now).
I have had really good luck keeping my allocation and sold units balaced
(knock on wood), however with the intro of Excursion (and Fords huge profit
off of it) they are getting all the V-10's, so I've been noticing that V-10s
are starting to get delayed and pushed back. However there seems to be a
surplus of 6 speeds so Diesel 6 speeds are getting scheduled even if you
don't have allocation for one.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:22:35 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250

This sounds slightly high to me, but it is much easier to go down than go up
in price. If your in a 4x2 area your truck shouldn't be hard to sell,
(here everyone wants a 4x4 and 4x2's are very hard to sell in 3/4 ton
trucks).

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250

> I've seen a few comments on 99 pricing. I am also looking
> at getting a 2000 year F-350. Question is what is my F-250
> Lariat SD SC 4x2, V10 worth to sell myself? It was bought
> in March of 99, it now has 8200 miles on it. The original
> sticker price was $30,345. My dealer tells me to ask
> $26,995 for it and settle for no less than $25,500. I've
> been going to this dealer for over 20 years and he's always
> told me like it is, but said he would like the truck as a
> trade in, but will not give a trade in price till the new
> one arrives (who knows when). What's your thoughts on the
> pricing?? Thanks, Bill
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:29:28 -0500
From: "Shane"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - To extend or not to extend...

Thanks for all the input everybody. I knew you would come through for me. I'm
going to order my new "extended" van today or tomorrow.

Shane

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:46:24 -0500
From: jmann

living.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)

Nathan or anyone else,

What is the average depreciation for a Ford truck over a 2 and a 3 year
period, 20, 30, 40%?? Where might one find the projected depreciation for a
vehicle outside of a dealer?

Thanks in advance for the info

Joe

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut

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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:23 AM
To: 97up-list

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250

This sounds slightly high to me, but it is much easier to go down than go up
in price. If your in a 4x2 area your truck shouldn't be hard to sell,
(here everyone wants a 4x4 and 4x2's are very hard to sell in 3/4 ton
trucks).

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250

> I've seen a few comments on 99 pricing. I am also looking
> at getting a 2000 year F-350. Question is what is my F-250
> Lariat SD SC 4x2, V10 worth to sell myself? It was bought
> in March of 99, it now has 8200 miles on it. The original
> sticker price was $30,345. My dealer tells me to ask
> $26,995 for it and settle for no less than $25,500. I've
> been going to this dealer for over 20 years and he's always
> told me like it is, but said he would like the truck as a
> trade in, but will not give a trade in price till the new
> one arrives (who knows when). What's your thoughts on the
> pricing?? Thanks, Bill
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:30:09 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)

You can check to see what the residual values are on a vehilce (for
leasing). This gives a general picture of what the expected depriciation
will be.

Nathan
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 11:46 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)

> Nathan or anyone else,
>
> What is the average depreciation for a Ford truck over a 2 and a 3 year
> period, 20, 30, 40%?? Where might one find the projected depreciation for
a
> vehicle outside of a dealer?
>
> Thanks in advance for the info
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut

adiis.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:23 AM
> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250
>
> This sounds slightly high to me, but it is much easier to go down than go
up
> in price. If your in a 4x2 area your truck shouldn't be hard to sell,
> (here everyone wants a 4x4 and 4x2's are very hard to sell in 3/4 ton
> trucks).
>
> Nathan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:10 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250
>
>
> > I've seen a few comments on 99 pricing. I am also looking
> > at getting a 2000 year F-350. Question is what is my F-250
> > Lariat SD SC 4x2, V10 worth to sell myself? It was bought
> > in March of 99, it now has 8200 miles on it. The original
> > sticker price was $30,345. My dealer tells me to ask
> > $26,995 for it and settle for no less than $25,500. I've
> > been going to this dealer for over 20 years and he's always
> > told me like it is, but said he would like the truck as a
> > trade in, but will not give a trade in price till the new
> > one arrives (who knows when). What's your thoughts on the
> > pricing?? Thanks, Bill
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:45:31 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel torque spec

I'm about to rotate the tires on my '96 Explorer. It has the "sideways
teardrop" aluminum rims as most do. Doers anyone have a torque spec for
them? I've found you have to be careful when tightening...had the brake
rotors go out of round after a brake job. After using the specified torque
spec, everything was cool, but can't recall the spec. now

Thanks,

Ken

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:04:46 -0500
From: jmann

living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)

That's the problem, the only place I know of to get the residual for a 2000
is from the dealer, and if I take his residual it calculates out to be 57%
depreciation over the MSRP over three years. CHRIST, my VW Jetta only
depreciated 36% from its MSRP, here in Texas, and I know Trucks hold their
resell value better than Volkswagens!

So, I'm looking for an alternate location for this information.

Thanks,

Joe

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut

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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:30 PM
To: 97up-list

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)

You can check to see what the residual values are on a vehilce (for
leasing). This gives a general picture of what the expected depriciation
will be.

Nathan
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 11:46 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)

> Nathan or anyone else,
>
> What is the average depreciation for a Ford truck over a 2 and a 3 year
> period, 20, 30, 40%?? Where might one find the projected depreciation for
a
> vehicle outside of a dealer?
>
> Thanks in advance for the info
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut

adiis.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:23 AM
> To: 97up-list

living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)

That should have read..."57% depreciation FROM the MSRP over three years"

- -----Original Message-----
From: jmann

living.com [mailto:jmann

living.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:05 PM
To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Depreciation (was; Used 1999 SD F-250)

That's the problem, the only place I know of to get the residual for a 2000
is from the dealer, and if I take his residual it calculates out to be 57%
depreciation over the MSRP over three years. CHRIST, my VW Jetta only
depreciated 36% from its MSRP, here in Texas, and I know Trucks hold their
resell value better than Volkswagens!

So, I'm looking for an alternate location for this information.

Thanks,

Joe

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut

adiis.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:30 PM
To: 97up-list

adiis.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:23 AM
> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250
>
> This sounds slightly high to me, but it is much easier to go down than go
up
> in price. If your in a 4x2 area your truck shouldn't be hard to sell,
> (here everyone wants a 4x4 and 4x2's are very hard to sell in 3/4 ton
> trucks).
>
> Nathan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:10 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Used 1999 SD F-250
>
>
> > I've seen a few comments on 99 pricing. I am also looking
> > at getting a 2000 year F-350. Question is what is my F-250
> > Lariat SD SC 4x2, V10 worth to sell myself? It was bought
> > in March of 99, it now has 8200 miles on it. The original
> > sticker price was $30,345. My dealer tells me to ask
> > $26,995 for it and settle for no less than $25,500. I've
> > been going to this dealer for over 20 years and he's always
> > told me like it is, but said he would like the truck as a
> > trade in, but will not give a trade in price till the new
> > one arrives (who knows when). What's your thoughts on the
> > pricing?? Thanks, Bill
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:08:57 -0500
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - CB Wiring

This may sound stupid, but I am about to put a CB in my 99.5 F350 PSD =
4X4 6spd CC and was wondering where to mount the dumb thing? The under =
dash area looks pretty tight to the right of the steering wheel and to =
the left looks too flimsy. Also is there special wiring behing the left =
dash panel that is ment for auxillary equipment? Does anyone make a =
through the glass antenna that is dual band for a CB/Weather Channel? I =
can't stand the thought of a magnet base on my new paint, and certainly =
don't want to drill holes for a permenant mount antenna. How well do the =
splitter boxes work that use the normal OEM radio antenna? ( Cobra =
Night Watch 25 WXNWST )
Dan - Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:36:17 -0400
From: kpayne

ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Archives

Just a quick update. The mailing list archives (all
166 meg!) have been formatted as HTML pages and uploaded
to the server.

As soon as they are indexed for searching and we come
up with a good way to protect them from email address
harvesting they will become available to the users.

Not sure is anyone has noticed, but our web server is
faster and mail delivery is too. The T1 install is
on schedule.

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:48:45 EDT
From: RSnovi

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CB Wiring

In a message dated 99-10-14 17:42:32 EDT, you write:

I have a stake hole clamp mount from fire stick, its stainless and works very
well and looks clean, just a flat piece of metal with four screws to tighten
and a hole for antenna and i ran wire down through back of cab, a rubber
grommet is right there for you. Down and around the side i routed wire up to
center.
I plan on getting two pieces of flat metal and makeing my own mount infront
of center part of seat facing up over hump area OR I am going to get one of
thoose over head deals ( matching colors) that Cabelas sells that use
exsisting holes from visors and it should work great for 50. or so.

RS

Date: 99-10-14 17:42:32 EDT
From: no1windo

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This may sound stupid, but I am about to put a CB in my 99.5 F350 PSD =
4X4 6spd CC and was wondering where to mount the dumb thing? The under =
dash area looks pretty tight to the right of the steering wheel and to =
the left looks too flimsy. Also is there special wiring behing the left =
dash panel that is ment for auxillary equipment? Does anyone make a =
through the glass antenna that is dual band for a CB/Weather Channel? I =
can't stand the thought of a magnet base on my new paint, and certainly =
don't want to drill holes for a permenant mount antenna. How well do the =
splitter boxes work that use the normal OEM radio antenna? ( Cobra =
Night Watch 25 WXNWST )
Dan - Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:00:52 -0400
From: Steve Zinski
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - CB Wiring

Your best CB performance is going to be from an antenna with a good
groundplane. Drilling a hole and placing a quality antenna dead-center on
your roof is the best location. Anything else is a compromise.
Thru-the-glass antennas are the least efficient type of antenna that you can
buy. I guarantee that you'll have a range of one mile or less with such an
antenna. I personally drilled a hole and mounted a Wilson 1000 antenna dead
center on my roof. Using a stock 4-watt CB radio, I was able to talk to my
brother over 8 miles away on AM. We could have talked even further on SSB.

As for mounting, I mounted mine just in front of my center console (I have
the Captain's Chairs). I used a RAM mount anchored to the floor and adjusted
the radios (I also have an amateur "ham" radio installed piggyback) so that
they face me. You can see my installation at the following URL:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://bluecrab.richmond.edu/truck.htm

Also, the Wilson uses a very sturdy thru-the-roof mount. It has a large
rubber gasket and a very secure backing plate which means the mount will
stay put and will not leak. You can unscrew the antenna if you need to and
install the supplied weatherproof cap. Good luck!

--Steve

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Subject: FTE 97up - CB Wiring

This may sound stupid, but I am about to put a CB in my 99.5 F350 PSD 4X4
6spd CC and was wondering where to mount the dumb thing? The under dash area
looks pretty tight to the right of the steering wheel and to the left looks
too flimsy. Also is there special wiring behing the left dash panel that is
ment for auxillary equipment? Does anyone make a through the glass antenna
that is dual band for a CB/Weather Channel? I can't stand the thought of a
magnet base on my new paint, and certainly don't want to drill holes for a
permenant mount antenna. How well do the splitter boxes work that use the
normal OEM radio antenna? ( Cobra Night Watch 25 WXNWST )
Dan - Wisconsin
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:01:26 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Interview with Bob Masone, F150 Brand Manager!

FIRST TO PRESS! FordNews.com has supplied us with transcripts to
their interview with Bob Masone, F150 Brand Manager! You can find
it on the main page of the web site.

Ken Payne
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:50:58 -0500
From: tvsjr

sprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CB Wiring

From someone who has plenty of antennae on their truck (my '00 250 SC SD
has 18 on the industrial topper), why don't you try a lip mount off the
inside of the hood? The antenna can go opposite your OEM antenna, and
you'll get much better reception than on-glass or splitter types. Of
course, you're still better off with an antenna dead-center in your roof
(it won't lower your resale value- hasn't affected my tradein on four Crown
Victorias, a Ramcharger (the biggest mistake I ever made), and a few other
vehicles).

Terry

At 04:08 PM 10/14/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>This may sound stupid, but I am about to put a CB in my 99.5 F350 PSD 4X4
>6spd CC and was wondering where to mount the dumb thing? The under dash area
>looks pretty tight to the right of the steering wheel and to the left looks
>too flimsy. Also is there special wiring behing the left dash panel that is
>ment for auxillary equipment? Does anyone make a through the glass antenna
>that is dual band for a CB/Weather Channel? I can't stand the thought of a
>magnet base on my new paint, and certainly don't want to drill holes for a
>permenant mount antenna. How well do the splitter boxes work that use the
>normal OEM radio antenna? ( Cobra Night Watch 25 WXNWST )
>Dan - Wisconsin
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:27:22 -0400
From: Neil Stahl
Subject: FTE 97up - Extended Warranty for f/450??

I'm getting up toward the end of my warranty and, having had both a
transfer case and a fuel pump go bad, I'm inclined to get an extended warranty.

At least two of the companies that sell extended warranties don't cover
f/450's. Ford does, but I understand they don't pay as much for the work.

Three questions:
1. What kind of experience have folks had with the Ford extended warranties?

2. Does anyone know of a reputable company (other than Ford) that
definitely covers f/450's?

3. Any thoughts on whether failure of two components means it's more
likely others will fail early?

Thanks.
Neil Stahl

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:52:05 -0600
From: Peter J Palmer
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F350 4X4 5th Wheel Tow Height

I went from pulling a 27 foot aluminum frame trailer with 6500 GVW to a
32 foot 5th wheel with an 11900 GVW. The difference was astounding!
The 5th is steady as a rock, and even rides smooth on rough freeways,
which the trailer didn't. It is very steady in a strong side wind or on
ice and snow which I encountered last winter in Montana and Utah. I
have no fear pulling it through any conditions. I pulled both with a
2wd F250 460 SC, the 5th has only 15 inch wheels, but the whole setup is
perfectly level. My friend pulls a 13200 GVW 5th which has 16 inch....

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