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97up-list-digest Tuesday, October 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 276



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
Re: FTE 97up - Car/ Driver TV on TNN
Re: FTE 97up - Lift Blocks & Air Suspension Mods for SD's
RE: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-150 Lariat Upgrade package.
Re: FTE 97up - Used '99 Super Duty pricing
FTE 97up - re:help- 5th-wheel and short bed
FTE 97up - Re: Help (Reference Fiver Tow Truck)
Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade InValue
RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up-Car/Driver TV on TNN
RE: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up-Car/Driver TV on TNN
RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OKor should...
FTE 97up - More Info, Please!
FTE 97up - Car-Driver(TNN)
RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E (?? for Nathan)
Re: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
Re: FTE 97up - Help
FTE 97up - Re: Car/ Driver TV on TNN
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Car/ Driver TV on TNN
FTE 97up - 2000 Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Car/ Driver TV on TNN
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Help (Reference Fiver Tow Truck)
FTE 97up - test - don't read this message
FTE 97up - end of lease question
Re: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation
FTE 97up - Tires for 99 f150
FTE 97up - Car-Driver(TNN)
Re: FTE 97up - Car-Driver(TNN)
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Expedition
FTE 97up - orderd 285 75 16s today / bfgs
Re: FTE 97up - Tires for 99 f150

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:36:12 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150 5.4L,
the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.

First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD but
the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at the
factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer says.)

Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is doing
something wrong.

I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.

- -Dean Baruffi


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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:46:37 -0700
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Car/ Driver TV on TNN

Maybe it is Chevrolet's time in their rotation. They do sell advertising.

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:56:32 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lift Blocks & Air Suspension Mods for SD's

I was talking to a F-250 SD owner that has the Air Lift
system with on board compressor so they can be varied as you
drive. He had removed 2 of the rear leafs so he has a very
smooth ride when empty and then inflates the air bags when
pulling a 5th wheel trailer with 1850# on the pin. He said
it worked great.
You can check there web site at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.airliftcompany.com/index2.htm
Bill
Bill Baker wrote:

> Has anyone installed an aftermarket air suspension
> system on their SD?
> Any tips, experiences?
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:21:01 -0500
From: "Hein, Mark"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation

This difference may include a recent price increase, transportation cost, or
advertising cost that are built in to the invoice. These items don't always
show up in the "web price" and they can vary by location.

> ----------
> From: Rick Waldbart[SMTP:waldbart duty.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 9:04 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation
>
> Hello, everyone,
>
> In doing my homework and gathering information prior to an order for a
> new Ford truck, I saw agreement in the "invoice" price with the two
> Internet
> sources used. Those figures were the same.
>
> When I got to the dealer, the "invoice" figure used, and obtained from
> "the
> computer", was approximately $1000 over Internet figures.
>
> Heh, heh. Can anyone share some information as to how this occurs?
>
> Thanks
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:28:31 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-150 Lariat Upgrade package.

It won't begin assembly until 11/1/99. Its the power sliding rear window
not the sides.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 8:10 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 2000 F-150 Lariat Upgrade package.


> Nathan, when you say "on hold until 11/1/99", does that mean it can not be
> ordered until then or it wont hit the assembly line until then. And on
the
> sliding rear window, it that the "rear" or the rear side widows, like that
> on the expedition??
>
> Joe
> Austin, TX
> 2000 (99L/44E) F-150 Lariat SC Fareside 4x4 on order...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scot Evanson [mailto:sevanson ipapilot.org]
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 9:04 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-150 Lariat Upgrade package.
>
> It would be "nice" if they could budget for lighted vanity mirrors and an
> aft
> and front cupholder (crew cab) that could actually hold a coffee mug or
> thermo
> mug. (only designed for paper soft-drink cups (front) and oversized drinks
> (aft)).
>
> SAE
>
> Union Auto wrote:
>
> > Ford has just announced the Lariat Upgrade package (code 63L). It
> consists
> > of a power sliding rear window, moulded running boards, electrochromic
> > rearview mirror, and wood grain trim (trim on dash around radio and on
> door
> > panels). It has a MSRP of $995 an invoice of $846. It is on hold until
> > 11/1/99
> >
> > Nathan Bernard
> > Union Auto, Inc.
> >
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:31:48 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Used '99 Super Duty pricing

There currently is no book on Super Duties due to the short supply of new
ones. I figure there will be prices out next month. As for what it's
worth, I've been trying to figure out the same thing. I just traded in a
Crew cab Lariat PSD, and I figured with 30K miles it should be $4500 cheaper
than a new one. I may be off on this though.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Sven Setterdahl
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 9:59 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Used '99 Super Duty pricing


Anyone know if there is info on used Super Duties yet? None of the places
I've looked has info on the '99s yet. I've looked at carpoint, edmunds,
kbb, etc.

The reason I ask is that I've seen an early F350 xlt 4x4 supercab
powerstroke with about 26000 miles. By early, I mean it has the badge on
the front fender instead of the door. I know a new one with the options I
can remember stickers at about 37,000 and invioces about 32,000. What would
a fair price for a truck that is at least a year old and could be almost two
years old be?

Thanks,

Sven

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:17:10 -0400
From: George Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - re:help- 5th-wheel and short bed

I have a F-250 PS CC with a short bed. I tow a 35 ft 5th wheel that is
11,000 to 12,000 lbs. I bought the Pullrite Super Glide hitch. They have a
web site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pullrite.com/glide.html. It is a little complicated to
describe how it works but it automatically slides the hitch back as you
turn. It works very well I have only had it for a year but have taken many
short trips which required tight turns and backing. It uses a neat pin
system to mount directly to the frame which is totally removable so with the
hitch out you have a flat floor.

A few negatives, It is expensive $2800 installed, heavy close to 400 lbs.,
and the latching mechanism can be a little sticky but very positive once it
is locked, it also takes up a lot of room in the bed and since it is moving
back and forth it limits what you can carry in the bed.

The power stroke pulls well but the transmission is a really weak link. (
see my post on tranny problems last week). I might point out that a 15,000
LB trailer and 6500 lb. truck is 21,500 or 1500 lbs. over gcvw rating.

George Brown

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:27:47 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Help (Reference Fiver Tow Truck)

Dick,

First off, you need a long bed truck to tow a large fiver. The long bed
super cab is perfect. Next, you need the V-10 or the Diesel. You need the
trailer towing package and I recommend the towing mirrors. Fiver towing is
much more pleasant with the automatic transmission.

For further information, check out the alt.rv newsgroup. Just repost your
question and you should get an avalanche of info. You'll get a lot of junk,
but some good stuff too.

Having sid that, if you set up the SD F-250 or SRW F-350 for fiver towing per
the Official Ford Towing Guide you'll have a great fiver tow truck.

Good luck,

Butch

Dick wrote: Hi...As an owner of a 97 Ford F250 short bed..I wonder what I
need to pull a 5th wheel with a GVWR 15,000 lbs. I want a powerstroke diesel.
That would be adequate..but what about the (a) bed length, and (b)
suspension. Can someone help me? I need as much detail as possible. Thank
you! Rev.Dick Viney -djviney dialnet.net
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:23:57 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade InValue

Don't ask me, I've given up trying to make sense out of how Ford picks who
gets their special discounts and pricing.

Nathan

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From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade
InValue


> My company supplies alternators for Ford and we don't have the X-plan,
whats
> up with that? We supply GM with 1 part of a starter and we get their
> discount. Parking lot is full of those crappy "shovies".
>
> Jeff
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:14:16 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

Call Ford Customer Service at 800-426-1283 and ask them about it. I spoke
with them last week and they confirmed that it was possible to order the 44E
on my 2000 F-150 Lariat SC Flareside 4x4. But I don't know about 4x2s.

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:36 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150 5.4L,
the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.

First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD but
the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at the
factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer says.)

Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is doing
something wrong.

I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.

- -Dean Baruffi


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:27:47 -0700
From: "Gil Patricio"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up-Car/Driver TV on TNN

I saw that too. However, you didn't mention the fact that the GMC with it's
V8 could out accelerate the Ford with it's V10 during the test which they
had to tow the opposing truck on a flatbed dolly. With the Ford weighing
more, I thought that to be embarrassing.

They also mentioned that GMC was behind the times with only 3 doors.

- ----- Original Message -----
> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:33:46 EDT
> From: RSnovi aol.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Car/ Driver TV on TNN
>
> Did anyone see today that they picked the GMC 2500 over the F250SD, just
> because it rides good (independent susp.) and has more room in the back
seat(
> ooo), and you can put a few more lbs. in the bed. But yet its still 2k
> more! Plus its not as scary to others when you pull up behind someone or
> want to change lanes. (RRRR)
> And i wonder why they didnt try and match 7.3 to 6.5, wouldn't have been a
> question there.



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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:09:53 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up-Car/Driver TV on TNN

Did they bother to mention what the axle gear ratios were for the truck. If
I'm not mistaken, doesn't this have a lot to do with a vehicles ability to
accelerate under any condition. I have a hard time believing that the Chevy
had more power or torque than the V10. Gearing is everything and I'm sure
there are axle options on both trucks. The question is what option they
had.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gil Patricio [mailto:hi4a2by san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:28 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up-Car/Driver TV on TNN

I saw that too. However, you didn't mention the fact that the GMC with it's
V8 could out accelerate the Ford with it's V10 during the test which they
had to tow the opposing truck on a flatbed dolly. With the Ford weighing
more, I thought that to be embarrassing.

They also mentioned that GMC was behind the times with only 3 doors.

- ----- Original Message -----
> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:33:46 EDT
> From: RSnovi aol.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Car/ Driver TV on TNN
>
> Did anyone see today that they picked the GMC 2500 over the F250SD, just
> because it rides good (independent susp.) and has more room in the back
seat(
> ooo), and you can put a few more lbs. in the bed. But yet its still 2k
> more! Plus its not as scary to others when you pull up behind someone or
> want to change lanes. (RRRR)
> And i wonder why they didnt try and match 7.3 to 6.5, wouldn't have been a

> question there.



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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:18:46 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

WOW, WRONG NUMBER!!!

I gave you guys the wrong number to Ford Customer Service, it should be
800-392-3673.

Oops...

Joe

PS: My dealer just called me and said he can't order the truck with the 44E
unless it's with the CA. emissions package!! I'll call Ford again.

- -----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:14 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

Call Ford Customer Service at 800-426-1283 and ask them about it. I spoke
with them last week and they confirmed that it was possible to order the 44E
on my 2000 F-150 Lariat SC Flareside 4x4. But I don't know about 4x2s.

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:36 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150 5.4L,
the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.

First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD but
the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at the
factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer says.)

Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is doing
something wrong.

I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.

- -Dean Baruffi


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:49:27 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OKor should...

No, Ford will only pay if elligable for a warranty repair.

Nathan

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To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door
OKor should...


> Will this fix also cover owners out of warrenty? I have 62,000 miles and
the
> famous crack and would love to have it fixed.
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:08:45 -0500
From: DJ Viney
Subject: FTE 97up - More Info, Please!

I've been getting some great help from you "guys". Now let me ask
another question: What are are some of the rest of you pulling with your
F250 Powerstroke..97's..in terms of 5th wheels? Also, please describe
your F250 and it's features. Thanx! Dick
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:15:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becks2
Subject: FTE 97up - Car-Driver(TNN)

Hey,


I saw that comparison a while back and after watching it a few time i noticed that the chevy had alot of little aftermarket acc. and the ford did`nt, would`nt be surprised if they added some stuff to improve its hauling and speed #`s.

Also if you notice in the background (some distance) of some of the video there using a Black F-350 Crew-Dully to pull there recording equipment around in a trailer. If the chevy was so good why did they get a ford??????



Adry(becks2)

1999 Ford F-350 Truck Page

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:47:27 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E (?? for Nathan)

Ok, I spoke with Ford Customer Service and this time the guy on the phone
confirmed what my dealer told me this morning, and what some of you have
said in the past, you can NOT get the 44E on an F-150 without the CA
emissions package. DAMN!

Ok, Can anyone tell me what parts are added to with the CA emissions package
(Nathan??) and are they simple bolt on parts that can be easily removed, or
are they complicated components like ECU and Cat?? Does the CA Emission
package detract from the truck in any way, i.e. fuel economy or power.

Is the 4R100 that much better than the 4R70W??

Joe
Austin, TX.

- -----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:19 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

WOW, WRONG NUMBER!!!

I gave you guys the wrong number to Ford Customer Service, it should be
800-392-3673.

Oops...

Joe

PS: My dealer just called me and said he can't order the truck with the 44E
unless it's with the CA. emissions package!! I'll call Ford again.

- -----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:14 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

Call Ford Customer Service at 800-426-1283 and ask them about it. I spoke
with them last week and they confirmed that it was possible to order the 44E
on my 2000 F-150 Lariat SC Flareside 4x4. But I don't know about 4x2s.

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:36 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150 5.4L,
the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.

First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD but
the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at the
factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer says.)

Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is doing
something wrong.

I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.

- -Dean Baruffi


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:36:00 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

Go ahead and order CA emissions. You'll need:

422 Emission Equipment, California/Northeast States N/C N/C
(Req'd in California) (Req'd in Northeast States When in Combo w/992 4.2L
Engine) (Optional in Cross-Border States) (Northeast States are Connecticut,
Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia & Washington D.C.)
(Cross-Border States are Arizona, Kentucky, Maine, Nevada, North Carolina,
Ohio, Oregon, Tennessee & West Virginia)

and...

93N Emission Equipment Override, Non-CA/Northeast/Cross-Border States
Dealers N/C N/C (Req's Emission Equipment-422)

Tell the dealer that your job might be transferring you to CA in a few
months and you don't want to pay the draconian fine (only $300, but
still...) that CA's commie-lib government charges to register out-of-state
cars w/o CA emissions equipment in the state.

FWIW, CA emissions cars are certified to a higher standard than 49-state
cars. Often they are made in batches. In the case of the F-series, it
includes different catalysts and ECU calibrations. For all F-series engines,
the power ratings are the same as for 49-state trucks, so you are not losing
anything by getting it, but you are gaining the 4R100 trans. If you are
keeping the engine stock, the 4R70W is probably OK with the 5.4, but if you
plan a supercharger in the future, get the 4R100.

Rob

> Ok, I spoke with Ford Customer Service and this time the guy on the phone
> confirmed what my dealer told me this morning, and what some of you have
> said in the past, you can NOT get the 44E on an F-150 without the CA
> emissions package. DAMN!
>
> Ok, Can anyone tell me what parts are added to with the CA emissions package
> (Nathan??) and are they simple bolt on parts that can be easily removed, or
> are they complicated components like ECU and Cat?? Does the CA Emission
> package detract from the truck in any way, i.e. fuel economy or power.
>
> Is the 4R100 that much better than the 4R70W??
>
> Joe
> Austin, TX.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:19 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>
> WOW, WRONG NUMBER!!!
>
> I gave you guys the wrong number to Ford Customer Service, it should be
> 800-392-3673.
>
> Oops...
>
> Joe
>
> PS: My dealer just called me and said he can't order the truck with the 44E
> unless it's with the CA. emissions package!! I'll call Ford again.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:14 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>
> Call Ford Customer Service at 800-426-1283 and ask them about it. I spoke
> with them last week and they confirmed that it was possible to order the 44E
> on my 2000 F-150 Lariat SC Flareside 4x4. But I don't know about 4x2s.
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:36 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>
> After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150 5.4L,
> the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.
>
> First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
> cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD but
> the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at the
> factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer says.)
>
> Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is doing
> something wrong.
>
> I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.
>
> -Dean Baruffi
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:56:08 PDT
From: "Mike & Susan Clow"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Help

Replying to:

>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:01:08 -0500
>From: DJ Viney
>Subject: FTE 97up - Help

>Hi...As an owner of a 97 Ford F250 short bed..I wonder what I need to
>pull a 5th wheel with a GVWR 15,000 lbs. I want a powerstroke diesel.
>That would be adequate..but what about the (a) bed length, and (b)
>suspension. Can someone help me? I need as much detail as possible.
>Thank you! Rev.Dick Viney -djviney dialnet.net
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Basically what you need to do is get the "Towing Guide" from your Ford
dealer and determine the GCVWR (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating)on your
truck, and then determine how much your truck and trailer actually weigh
(not the GVWR).

Its usually not to hard to get the truck weighed, if you dont know of a
scales near you just call a local truck stop and ask them. It may also be on
your liscense papers. The trailer is of course much lighter than its GVWR
(I hope). With your 15,000 GVWR trailer I might guess maybe somewhere
between 11 and 13 thousand pounds (not sure). The trailer manufacturer
should have a "dry weight" rating on the trailer, to which you can add maybe
1,500 for water, cargo etc.

The bottom line is that the combined actual weight of the truck and trailer
must be less than the GCVWR of the truck.

Secondly you can also check the tongue weight of the trailer (thats how much
weight the trailer puts on the hitch, its also in the trailer mfg. specs)
and make sure it is less than the cargo rating of the truck (which is the
GVWR of the truck less the actual weight of the truck).

Keep in mind the two above mentioned weight comparisons (tongue weight
versus combined wieght) are very different and your truck must pass both
"tests" to be sized right for the trailer. Dual wheels are a good idea if
the tongue weight is much over 2,500, since this may exceed the weight
ratings of your rear tires unless there are four of them.

Engine wise you are right to want a diesel, a V10 (or big V8) Gas can do the
job, but the flatter torque curves, better fuel economy and lower
maintenance costs make the extra money buying the diesel a great investment.
My rig has a 7.3 powerstroke and it seems superb to me.

One fact that suprised me about this is that the F250 can haul slightly more
than a F350 (all else being equal), since they have the same combined
(GCVWR) rating, but the F250 itself weighs slightly less, therefore is rated
to pull slightly more. Also, while horsepower and torque are important, the
real test of a puller vehicle is how much it can stop, so dont be fooled by
mere power, thats why you want to check out the wieght ratings before you
buy. (trailer brakes are great, but its the truck brakes that your life
depends on)

My rig is a long bed and to be honest I have no idea if a short bed can fit
a fifth wheel hitch and still have room to turn etc.

Suspension wise nothing special is needed as far as I can tell.

The upshot is that for the most part, a long bed F250 or F350 with a
powerstroke engine can haul about any trailer out there. (except for mine,
I pull a 39' 18,000 lb unit so I had to go get a F-550 Centurion conversion,
which is an awesome truck that performs very well, but costs nearly as much
as the trailer, which is nearly as much as a house!)


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:34:17 -0700
From: Bill Baker
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Car/ Driver TV on TNN

>From: RSnovi aol.com
>
>Did anyone see today that they picked the GMC 2500 over the F250SD, just
>because it rides good (independent susp.) and has more room in the back seat(
>ooo), and you can put a few more lbs. in the bed.

Ride comfort and cab size aren't pansy extras to everyone, y'know. Plenty
of big-truck buyers have bad backs, like me. I appreciate the brute
strength and durability of a solid front axle for a 4X4, but it's worthless
to me if I get to the job site with my back too stiff to work or get to the
trailhead and can't hike in. The IFS in mother's '99 Silverado rides
*really* nice and yet her husband just took it on a long offroad caravan
and had no problem keeping up with the Jeeps.

Same with the cab. We loaded the kids and their carseats into the back of
an SD Supercab at the dealership yesterday to see if they'd fit. They
did...barely. Since I won't be hauling 'em in the truck very often it's
not a big deal, but the extra space of the Chevy ex. cab would be nice. I
really don't want to order a Crew Cab.

Y'know, if the Silverado's weren't such*fugly* looking trucks, and if I
didn't loathe Chevys, I'd probably go with a Silverado over an SD. As it
is, I'm debating whether to step down to an F-250 LD SC with the heaviest
payload package Ford offers. Unfortunately, it's cab is even smaller.



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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:15:36 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Car/ Driver TV on TNN

Bill Baker wrote:
>
> >From: RSnovi aol.com
> >
SNIP
>
> Y'know, if the Silverado's weren't such*fugly* looking trucks, and if I
> didn't loathe Chevys, I'd probably go with a Silverado over an SD. As it
> is, I'm debating whether to step down to an F-250 LD SC with the heaviest
> payload package Ford offers. Unfortunately, it's cab is even smaller.
>
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Bill,

I had a 97 F150 SC. The rear seat angle was uncomfortable
on long runs for the kids ( 3 Boys). On the 2000 that I
ordered the rear seat angle was changed to increase
comfort. I measured a SD in 1999 and it is wider than a LD
but there is slightly more leg room in the LD. For 2000 the
250 nomenclature was dropped and it is now called a 150 with
the 7700 lbs payload. Same truck new name. I guess it was
to avoid the confusion over weather you had a SD or a LD.
IMHO the ride of an F-150 has the GM product beat. On a
long trip I have to keep changing the seat angle because of
my back. The adjustable lumbar support is a God send.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:37:34 -0400
From: "Ashok Ajmani"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 Expedition

Team,
Thanks to all who responded/clarified issues related to the X-plan and trade
in values for me. I truly appreciate it.
Nathan,
One question. I found out today that you cannot order a 4WD EB expedition
with a 3.73 axle ratio unless you live 4000 feet above sea level. The
dealer sounded honest about it. He said that he would have to jump through
a few hoops to request an over-ride!! He will let us know tomorrow. Is
this true? It is absolutely ridiculous if true. The reason I am adamant
about the 3.73 is because I drove the 260 hp 4WD truck with the standard
3.55 LS ratio, and found it to be quite weak. This is compared to our 1998
4WD EB with 230 hp and 3.73 axle. Our truck feels far stronger than the new
one I drove. We use premium gas in our truck. Could the combination of a
very very slightly "broken" in engine, 3.73 axle and premium gas make such a
big difference?
Thanks,
Ashok
- ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:33:58 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In
Value
X plan purchasing is very easy. You pay 4% over the A-Plan price (which is
well below invoice). This plan is for Ford employees and family members,
but has recently been added for employees of companies that supply things to
Ford. This is primarily aimed at selling vehicles outright so trade in
values are wholesale. The 28K you were offered sounds very reasonable for
an
"X" plan trade.
Nathan

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:53:02 -0700
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Car/ Driver TV on TNN

Bill, why don't you get a Crew Cab half ton? They are available to order,
but the dealers do not have the prices yet. You could take delivery of your
new 2001 F-150 Crew Cab right after Jan. 2.

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:50:46 -0400
From: CnC
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Help (Reference Fiver Tow Truck)

Why do I need a Long Bed?
I have a short bed 1997 F-150 v8 and I look forward to be able to handle a
2,000 pound Scamp. Am I wrong?

At 09:27 AM 10/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Dick,
>
>First off, you need a long bed truck to tow a large fiver. The long bed
>super cab is perfect. Next, you need the V-10 or the Diesel. You need the
>trailer towing package and I recommend the towing mirrors. Fiver towing is
>much more pleasant with the automatic transmission.
>
>For further information, check out the alt.rv newsgroup. Just repost your
>question and you should get an avalanche of info. You'll get a lot of junk,
>but some good stuff too.
>
>Having sid that, if you set up the SD F-250 or SRW F-350 for fiver towing
per
>the Official Ford Towing Guide you'll have a great fiver tow truck.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Butch
>
>Dick wrote: Hi...As an owner of a 97 Ford F250 short bed..I wonder what I
>need to pull a 5th wheel with a GVWR 15,000 lbs. I want a powerstroke
diesel.
> That would be adequate..but what about the (a) bed length, and (b)
>suspension. Can someone help me? I need as much detail as possible. Thank
>you! Rev.Dick Viney -djviney dialnet.net
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:53:35 -0500
From: "Greg Gilmore"
Subject: FTE 97up - test - don't read this message

test - sorry...

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:50:21 -0400
From: "Tony Ciarfello"
Subject: FTE 97up - end of lease question

A question for Nathan

My lease is up in Jan '00, I have a 98 f-150 reg cab 4x4 lariat long bed.
Sticker was 27,500, After 2 years i will have paid $10,000, my buy out is
17,000. I want to try to keep it for a couple more years if possible. Should
I buy it, and is the buy out price negotiable? Kelly blue book says trade in
is worth $16,500 and retail is $22,000. any help be appreciated

Thanks
Tony C


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:57:49 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation

Suspect that what you are seeing is some advertising fees being lumped in
under the invoice at the dealer. Chrysler oops Diamler -Chrysler does this
to the tune of about 800+ dollars, plus there is shipping. The only way that
you will know is to get ahold of the invoice and do a line by line
comparison but I will admit that $1000 does seem high.

John G
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:46:38 -0400
From: "Freddy Favela"
Subject: FTE 97up - Tires for 99 f150

has anybody tried 33x10x16 tires on a 99 f150? will they fit without any
modification on a 4x2? What is the biggest and widest tire that will fit
without mod?

thanks in advance!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Freddy Favela
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 4:06 PM
Subject: Crack ON DOOR!!


>I thought that the Crack on the door was not supposed to effect the 1999
>trucks!? Is this true or not? And if so is it all the trucks or just
>the ones from a certain plant?? Mine does not have the crack.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Allemand, Andre'
>To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
>Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:43 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW
>
>
>>I to have the famous crack on the door and am in the same boat your in
with
>>the tint and visors. I believe when the door is replaced, they will use
>all
>>the "guts from the old door such as the window and accessories. Also,
does
>>anyone know how much an extended cab 4x2 weighs....?
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:08:15 EDT
From: Ford4x4 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Car-Driver(TNN)

What is the Physical differences, dimension wise between the chevy and the SD
rear seats and general interior room???????. I would have thought the
difference would be negligible.

Stuart
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:33:29 -0700
From: "BIGDOG"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Car-Driver(TNN)

Guys, Guys, Guys............ & Gals

We are given so many chances at humanitarian efforts.............Anyone who
who takes the Car and Driver thing seriously and buys a bow tie, is just
someone who we Ford drivers can offer a ride to the Chev garage, or pick up
along the side of the road.
When one of my buds says that he'd rather push a Chev than drive a Ford, I
just laugh and say "You will, sooner or later"




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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:07:53 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Expedition

In a message dated 99-10-11 20:48:12 EDT, you write:


thats called high altitude package, Ford offers it on most all cars and
trucks.

RS



Date: 99-10-11 20:48:12 EDT
From: AshokBAjmani worldnet.att.net (Ashok Ajmani)
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Team,
Thanks to all who responded/clarified issues related to the X-plan and trade
in values for me. I truly appreciate it.
Nathan,
One question. I found out today that you cannot order a 4WD EB expedition
with a 3.73 axle ratio unless you live 4000 feet above sea level. The
dealer sounded honest about it. He said that he would have to jump through
a few hoops to request an over-ride!! He will let us know tomorrow. Is
this true? It is absolutely ridiculous if true. The reason I am adamant
about the 3.73 is because I drove the 260 hp 4WD truck with the standard
3.55 LS ratio, and found it to be quite weak. This is compared to our 1998
4WD EB with 230 hp and 3.73 axle. Our truck feels far stronger than the new
one I drove. We use premium gas in our truck. Could the combination of a
very very slightly "broken" in engine, 3.73 axle and premium gas make such a
big difference?
Thanks,
Ashok
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:33:58 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In
Value
X plan purchasing is very easy. You pay 4% over the A-Plan price (which is
well below invoice). This plan is for Ford employees and family members,
but has recently been added for employees of companies that supply things to
Ford. This is primarily aimed at selling vehicles outright so trade in
values are wholesale. The 28K you were offered sounds very reasonable for
an
"X" plan trade.
Nathan

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:20:55 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - orderd 285 75 16s today / bfgs

i researched high and low on priceing on mud terrains, a place in AZ called
desert rat. com had a price i could not beat locally or nationally w/
shipping included. 734. I have had all terrains in the past and i decided
w. the weight of the truck i need some extra grip for the SD 4x4.

will let ya'll know how they do down here in Fla.

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:20:54 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tires for 99 f150

In a message dated 99-10-11 23:35:53 EDT, you write:


well i dont know of anyone that makes a 33 x 10, i doubt a 33x 12 50, plus i
dont think anyone makes it in 16in they are metric sizeing its woud be tight
on a 4x4.

RS

Date: 99-10-11 23:35:53 EDT
From: ffavela netzero.net (Freddy Favela)
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To: ffavela netzero.net (Freddy Favela), 97up-list ford-trucks.com

has anybody tried 33x10x16 tires on a 99 f150? will they fit without any
modification on a 4x2? What is the biggest and widest tire that will fit
without mod?

thanks in advance!
-----Original Message-----
From: Freddy Favela
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 4:06 PM
Subject: Crack ON DOOR!!


>I thought that the Crack on the door was not supposed to effect the 1999
>trucks!? Is this true or not? And if so is it all the trucks or just
>the ones from a certain plant?? Mine does not have the crack.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Allemand, Andre'
>To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
>Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:43 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW
>
>
>>I to have the famous crack on the door and am in the same boat your in
with
>>the tint and visors. I believe when the door is replaced, they will use
>all
>>the "guts from the old door such as the window and accessories. Also,
does
>>anyone know how much an extended cab 4x2 weighs....?
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