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97up-list-digest Sunday, October 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 274



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - 460 engine question regarding warping exhaust manifolds
FTE 97up - Clarification
FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation
Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value
Re: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation
Re: FTE 97up - 460 engine question regarding warping exhaustmanifolds
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-150 Lariat Upgrade package.
Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value

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Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 07:19:54 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 460 engine question regarding warping exhaust manifolds

At 12:09 AM 10/9/99 EDT, Cookies aol.com wrote:
>Fuel injected 460, the manifolds are warping, cracking, and studs breaking.
>What is causing this?? What can be done?
>
>Randy

I don't have any experience with this specific problem, but here's my
guess: Improper torque on the fasteners.


Steve O.
soffiler ici.net
North Scituate RI
'97 F-250 old-style

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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 08:09:57 -0400
From: "Ashok Ajmani"
Subject: FTE 97up - Clarification

Keith,
1. Comments well taken. I did not mind posting to the list. However, left
it upto Nathan (read my words) to decide. It was common courtesy, due to
the nature of my question and that is why I felt I should leave it to
Nathan. Once again, I did not feel that it was a private matter at all
(though most would for such issues, however, that is also personal choice)
and hence I posted it to all you guys. Hope this clarifies my position.
2. Second issue is that some folks on the list (yourself, obviously not
included) might truly not wish to read major diatribe about trade in values
etc. Hence, courtesy again played a part in how I handled my post.
3. This is a little bit more than I wished to post, but I know you like
retorts and such, hence....
Regards,
Ashok
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:06:12 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - If you ask it on the list, the answer should be posted
on the list
Just a comment. A few messages posted on the list lately by various people
asks a question then appends the statement "please respond to me personally"
or "don't respond to the group". If you post a question on the newslist,
the answer should be posted there also, otherwise, why post the question on
the list in the first place??? I don't want to read someone's long
diatribe, comment, lecture, treatise, dissertation, and/or question without
expecting to read one or more retort, response, and/or answer! If you want
to send someone a direct question to their personal mailbox and expect a
direct answer to your personal mailbox, fine. [But, if everybody did that
often enough, there would be no list].
Keith
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From: Ashok Ajmani
To:
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 6:40 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value

> Nathan,
You do not have to respond to the list if you do not want to, a
> personal e-mail will be fine. I'd appreciate it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashok

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Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:04:01 -0400
From: Rick Waldbart
Subject: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation

Hello, everyone,

In doing my homework and gathering information prior to an order for a
new Ford truck, I saw agreement in the "invoice" price with the two Internet
sources used. Those figures were the same.

When I got to the dealer, the "invoice" figure used, and obtained from "the
computer", was approximately $1000 over Internet figures.

Heh, heh. Can anyone share some information as to how this occurs?

Thanks

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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:33:58 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value

X plan purchasing is very easy. You pay 4% over the A-Plan price (which is
well below invoice). This plan is for Ford employees and family members,
but has recently been added for employees of companies that supply things to
Ford. This is primarily aimed at selling vehicles outright so trade in
values are wholesale. The 28K you were offerd sounds very reasonable for an
"X" plan trade.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ashok Ajmani
To:
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 5:40 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value


> Nathan,
>
> 1. We are looking to move up to a Y2K Expedition. I am eligible to
> purchase one under the Ford X-Plan. I thought that this was simply 1%
over
> (+some advertising costs) the invoice price. However, what the local
fleet
> manager indicated to me was that it is 4% over the A-plan price. For
> example, a base 2000 EB 4WD (3.55, 5.4, changer etc., which are standard),
> with only towing package, invoices for $35569, 1% over would take it to
> $35925. The price we were quoted was $33859 (Ford A-plan price) + 4%,
which
> takes it to $35213. This is well under the invoice. Can you help clarify
> this for me. Now the capitalist in me is thinking, wishfully, that
perhaps
> the X-plan is 1% over the A-plan, and the dealer is asking an extra 3%.
> 2. This might be a sensitive question, I am going to ask anyway. For a
> pristine 1998 23K miles EB 4WD ex (purchased 1/6/98), with 5.4, 3.73, skid
> plates, changer, Ford security, DRL, cabin filtration, Ford mud flaps,
> towing package, what can I expect as a trade in at the dealership. First
> number I was quoted was $27K. The folks did not even drive the vehicle.
> Looked at the outside/inside, noted the mileage and the fact that it was
> still under warranty and offered us $27K on the spot. After telling them
> that it has the equipment as listed above, they are almost at $28K (will
let
> me know their final value today). Plus, we will be taxed only on the
> difference. You do not have to respond to the list if you do not want to,
a
> personal e-mail will be fine. I'd appreciate it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashok
>
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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:45:31 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation

Very easy to figure out. Ask him to provide the breakdown of his invoice
price, item by item. You do the same. You may find that his includes
"destination" charges or he forgot to give the $$$ discount for getting the
XLT-xxx package. If you compare the 2 lists, you will quickly find out the
answer. If he will not show you a breakdown in his prices, just stop right
there and leave!

Keith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Waldbart
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 9:04 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - "Invoice" variation


> Hello, everyone,
>
> In doing my homework and gathering information prior to an order for a
> new Ford truck, I saw agreement in the "invoice" price with the two
Internet
> sources used. Those figures were the same.
>
> When I got to the dealer, the "invoice" figure used, and obtained from
"the
> computer", was approximately $1000 over Internet figures.
>
> Heh, heh. Can anyone share some information as to how this occurs?
>
> Thanks
>
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Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:43:49 -0500
From: "Daniel G. Dunlap"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 460 engine question regarding warping exhaustmanifolds

Randy,
I'm working from my memory which ain't what it used to be but, in my
motorhome days, I recall a problem with the 460 engines warping exhaust
mainfolds. Seems it happened from long pulls up a mountain (figure 15-16K lb
vehicles with the aerodynamics of a house) with the obvious heat generated and
then the rapid cooling from the downhill descent. Ford came up with a
replacement I beleive. But, if not, then I know that I remember seeing ads in RV
magazines for aftermarket replacements that solved this problem.
Hope this helps.
Dan

Karen Wall / Steve Offiler wrote:

> At 12:09 AM 10/9/99 EDT, Cookies aol.com wrote:
> >Fuel injected 460, the manifolds are warping, cracking, and studs breaking.
> >What is causing this?? What can be done?
> >
> >Randy
>
> I don't have any experience with this specific problem, but here's my
> guess: Improper torque on the fasteners.
>
> Steve O.
> soffiler ici.net
> North Scituate RI
> '97 F-250 old-style
>
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Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:04:03 -0400
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-150 Lariat Upgrade package.

It would be "nice" if they could budget for lighted vanity mirrors and an aft
and front cupholder (crew cab) that could actually hold a coffee mug or thermo
mug. (only designed for paper soft-drink cups (front) and oversized drinks
(aft)).

SAE

Union Auto wrote:

> Ford has just announced the Lariat Upgrade package (code 63L). It consists
> of a power sliding rear window, moulded running boards, electrochromic
> rearview mirror, and wood grain trim (trim on dash around radio and on door
> panels). It has a MSRP of $995 an invoice of $846. It is on hold until
> 11/1/99
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:14:16 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value

My company supplies alternators for Ford and we don't have the X-plan, whats
up with that? We supply GM with 1 part of a starter and we get their
discount. Parking lot is full of those crappy "shovies".....

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