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In this issue:

FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value
FTE 97up - Tailgate Molding
RE: FTE 97up - air mattress for the Expedition
FTE 97up - Lift for the front F-350, 4" rear blocks vs 2" rear blocks
FTE 97up - If you ask it on the list, the answer should be posted on the list
Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate Molding
FTE 97up - R100 Trans
Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate Molding
Re: FTE 97up - Lift for the front F-350, 4" rear blocks vs 2" rear blocks
Re: FTE 97up - R100 Trans
Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate Molding
FTE 97up - 460 engine question regarding warping exhaust manifolds

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:40:12 -0400
From: "Ashok Ajmani"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value

Nathan,

1. We are looking to move up to a Y2K Expedition. I am eligible to
purchase one under the Ford X-Plan. I thought that this was simply 1% over
(+some advertising costs) the invoice price. However, what the local fleet
manager indicated to me was that it is 4% over the A-plan price. For
example, a base 2000 EB 4WD (3.55, 5.4, changer etc., which are standard),
with only towing package, invoices for $35569, 1% over would take it to
$35925. The price we were quoted was $33859 (Ford A-plan price) + 4%, which
takes it to $35213. This is well under the invoice. Can you help clarify
this for me. Now the capitalist in me is thinking, wishfully, that perhaps
the X-plan is 1% over the A-plan, and the dealer is asking an extra 3%.
2. This might be a sensitive question, I am going to ask anyway. For a
pristine 1998 23K miles EB 4WD ex (purchased 1/6/98), with 5.4, 3.73, skid
plates, changer, Ford security, DRL, cabin filtration, Ford mud flaps,
towing package, what can I expect as a trade in at the dealership. First
number I was quoted was $27K. The folks did not even drive the vehicle.
Looked at the outside/inside, noted the mileage and the fact that it was
still under warranty and offered us $27K on the spot. After telling them
that it has the equipment as listed above, they are almost at $28K (will let
me know their final value today). Plus, we will be taxed only on the
difference. You do not have to respond to the list if you do not want to, a
personal e-mail will be fine. I'd appreciate it.

Regards,

Ashok

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Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:37:01 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - Tailgate Molding

The tailgate molding on my 1999 F350 has warped. There are two very
noticable outward warps each just above the ends of the tailgate lock.

Is this common for all tailgates? I have seen this on many other 1999-2000
Super Duties. I'm not sure if this happens on the Light Duty F-Series.

Look at your tailgates an report back. I want mine replaced byt the dealer.
Too many people comment on the warp, I don't want attention drawn to this
defect. Is Ford aware of this issue?

Scott.

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:41:36 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - air mattress for the Expedition

Look for a mattress called the Aero mattress. I know it's sold in Linen &
Things or Bed Bath & Beyond. It a high quality mattress the comes with a
storage bag and a mattress pad. You can get them in all sizes from twin to
king. The have a built in 120 motor and a quick release deflate valve. It
takes approx. 60 second to fill and the same or less to deflate. With a
power inverter you should be able to make it work quite nicely in your
Expedition.

Joe
Austin, TX.


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Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 12:36 PM
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Subject: FTE 97up - air mattress for the Expedition

I'm looking for a sturdy, rapidly-inflating air mattress for the
Expedition, wide enough to reach from side to side. Any recommendations?
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:48:01 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lift for the front F-350, 4" rear blocks vs 2" rear blocks

Chris,

Since my '99 F-350 SuperDuty (V-10 / SuperCab / Longbed / 4X4 / Off-Road /
etc.) was built before January 1999, it has the 4" blocks raising the rear
suspension (after January 1999, ford changed to 2" blocks to lower the
rear). This gave the truck quite a "rake" (nose sniffing the ground, butt
up in the air). Additionally, even though I got the snowplow package from
the factory, all F-350's still only come with 2 leaves in the front
suspension, clearly not enough. So, I called TuffCountry
(www.tuffcountry.com) and they provided a kit that lifts the front end so it
is dead-level with the back end, so the truck sits nice and level, and the
front-end is much stronger (when I put on my snow-plow and lift the blade
the front-end barely moves, whereas before the lift-kit, lifting the blade
would cause the front-end to go down 3 or so inches). The kit includes new
leaf springs with 5 leaves each, positively-arched (not flat or negatively
arched as are the stock ones), and new drop-links for the sway bar. Also,
you need new (longer) front shocks that they include in the kit, but I also
went ahead and bought their matching 2 rear shocks so I would have all 4
(good gas shocks). There may be a couple of other parts (check-out their
web-site to see which parts). I love it. Works great, looks great, rides
strong. Now, about slightly bigger tires......

By the way, I did not do the work myself, it can be very difficult, took
Ford technician (a front-end specialist whom I know and is real good) almost
6 hours! [But, I have a plow frame, which slowed him down at least an hour
or two]. Then you have to ride it around for a day so the springs can
settle, then you must get a complete front-end alignment. After that, it's
clear-sailing!


Keith



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Foye
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)


> Keith,
>
> If you don't mind my asking but, where did you get the
> new springs and what other parts did you need to keep
> the geometry proper?
> Also, did you do the work yourself and if so, how hard
> was it and are there any special things to look out
> for when doing the work?
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> --- Keith Veren wrote:
> > I kept the 4" on my F-350, but added a 3-1/2" front
> > lift (basically just new
> > Springs 5 leaves instead of the stock 2 leaves plus
> > other parts to keep the
> > geometry proper). Looks great, sits high.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gene Ball
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 7:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)
> >
> >
> > > You used to get a 4in block in the rear !
> > > Now you get a 2in block!
> > > I myself, like the 2in block
> > > Mine came with the 4in
> > > I went to the 2in!
> > > Gene
> > >
> > > Dave Santo wrote:
> > >
> > > > A salesman at the dealership where I've ordered
> > my y2k f250 told me
> > yesterday that
> > > > the 2000 4x4's are being built LEVEL! NO RAKE!!
> > Actually he said they
> > lower the
> > > > rear to match the front. Anyone else have info
> > about this. I WAS going
> > to lift the
> > > > front end when I got the truck end of Oct. The
> > reason I called him was
> > that I SAW
> > > > a brand new truck on the highway and IT WAS
> > LEVEL.
> > > >
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:06:12 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - If you ask it on the list, the answer should be posted on the list

Just a comment. A few messages posted on the list lately by various people
asks a question then appends the statement "please respond to me personally"
or "don't respond to the group". If you post a question on the newslist,
the answer should be posted there also, otherwise, why post the question on
the list in the first place??? I don't want to read someone's long
diatribe, comment, lecture, treatise, dissertation, and/or question without
expecting to read one or more retort, response, and/or answer! If you want
to send someone a direct question to their personal mailbox and expect a
direct answer to your personal mailbox, fine. [But, if everybody did that
often enough, there would be no list].

Keith

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ashok Ajmani
To:
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 6:40 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1. How does The X-Plan Purchase Work; 2. Trade In Value


> Nathan,

You do not have to respond to the list if you do not want to, a
> personal e-mail will be fine. I'd appreciate it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashok
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:10:09 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate Molding

In a message dated 99-10-08 08:41:41 EDT, you write:


mine seems ok 99 F250SD, PSD 4x4, almost a yr old.

RS



Date: 99-10-08 08:41:41 EDT
From: mr_scsi hotmail.com (Scott Matus)
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The tailgate molding on my 1999 F350 has warped. There are two very
noticable outward warps each just above the ends of the tailgate lock.

Is this common for all tailgates? I have seen this on many other 1999-2000
Super Duties. I'm not sure if this happens on the Light Duty F-Series.

Look at your tailgates an report back. I want mine replaced byt the dealer.
Too many people comment on the warp, I don't want attention drawn to this
defect. Is Ford aware of this issue?

Scott.

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Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:37:45 PDT
From: "Art Verling"
Subject: FTE 97up - R100 Trans

I am new to this list but I have been on the 61 to 97 list for about one
year now.
I have the V10 with the hew R100 transmission. Has anyone had any experience
with it that would be helpful to know (like the E4OD problems) or even
anything good to pass on. I only have 3000 miles on it and it seems mushy on
shifts but it works fine and no problems yet. Also did anyone get the recall
letter about the speed control cable (99SO9-S2).. Ford said it is a problem
an 1.5 million vehicles. Your speed control can just come on at any time
without notice.
Thanks
Art
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:18:15 EDT
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate Molding

Yes Ford is aware of it, and if you bring it back to the dealer, they will
order you a new one. The new one has been designed to lessen the chances of
warping. They also change the bed rails as they are matched to the tailgate
guard which is shorter in depth than your original ones.

The only problem with this is that when you have them changed , you will be
faced with repainting the tailgate and even the bed of the truck, because of
dirt that has accumalated under the original one and scratched the underlying
clearcoat.

I had the tailgate painted and left the bed alone as it had just a few
minor scratrches near the rear that are not noticeable to most (except me of
course).

Steve Ng....The FishNg1
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:55:08 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lift for the front F-350, 4" rear blocks vs 2" rear blocks

Keith: What did Tuff Country charge you for this set up if you don't mind
the question?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: Ford Truck Mailing List
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:45 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Lift for the front F-350, 4" rear blocks vs 2" rear
blocks


>Chris,
>
>Since my '99 F-350 SuperDuty (V-10 / SuperCab / Longbed / 4X4 / Off-Road /
>etc.) was built before January 1999, it has the 4" blocks raising the rear
>suspension (after January 1999, ford changed to 2" blocks to lower the
>rear). This gave the truck quite a "rake" (nose sniffing the ground, butt
>up in the air). Additionally, even though I got the snowplow package from
>the factory, all F-350's still only come with 2 leaves in the front
>suspension, clearly not enough. So, I called TuffCountry
>(www.tuffcountry.com) and they provided a kit that lifts the front end so
it
>is dead-level with the back end, so the truck sits nice and level, and the
>front-end is much stronger (when I put on my snow-plow and lift the blade
>the front-end barely moves, whereas before the lift-kit, lifting the blade
>would cause the front-end to go down 3 or so inches). The kit includes new
>leaf springs with 5 leaves each, positively-arched (not flat or negatively
>arched as are the stock ones), and new drop-links for the sway bar. Also,
>you need new (longer) front shocks that they include in the kit, but I also
>went ahead and bought their matching 2 rear shocks so I would have all 4
>(good gas shocks). There may be a couple of other parts (check-out their
>web-site to see which parts). I love it. Works great, looks great, rides
>strong. Now, about slightly bigger tires......
>
>By the way, I did not do the work myself, it can be very difficult, took
>Ford technician (a front-end specialist whom I know and is real good)
almost
>6 hours! [But, I have a plow frame, which slowed him down at least an hour
>or two]. Then you have to ride it around for a day so the springs can
>settle, then you must get a complete front-end alignment. After that, it's
>clear-sailing!
>
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Chris Foye
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:53 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)
>
>
>> Keith,
>>
>> If you don't mind my asking but, where did you get the
>> new springs and what other parts did you need to keep
>> the geometry proper?
>> Also, did you do the work yourself and if so, how hard
>> was it and are there any special things to look out
>> for when doing the work?
>>
>> Thanks for your time,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Keith Veren wrote:
>> > I kept the 4" on my F-350, but added a 3-1/2" front
>> > lift (basically just new
>> > Springs 5 leaves instead of the stock 2 leaves plus
>> > other parts to keep the
>> > geometry proper). Looks great, sits high.
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Gene Ball
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 7:56 PM
>> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)
>> >
>> >
>> > > You used to get a 4in block in the rear !
>> > > Now you get a 2in block!
>> > > I myself, like the 2in block
>> > > Mine came with the 4in
>> > > I went to the 2in!
>> > > Gene
>> > >
>> > > Dave Santo wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > A salesman at the dealership where I've ordered
>> > my y2k f250 told me
>> > yesterday that
>> > > > the 2000 4x4's are being built LEVEL! NO RAKE!!
>> > Actually he said they
>> > lower the
>> > > > rear to match the front. Anyone else have info
>> > about this. I WAS going
>> > to lift the
>> > > > front end when I got the truck end of Oct. The
>> > reason I called him was
>> > that I SAW
>> > > > a brand new truck on the highway and IT WAS
>> > LEVEL.
>> > > >
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:00:56 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - R100 Trans

The speed control cable recall was done in about 5 minutes on my 99 F-350SD
cc. By the way the problem didn't cause the speed control to come on by
itself, the problem was that if your were using the speed control the cable
could stick and when you turned off speed control either with the steering
wheel switch or by tapping your brakes the cable would not let the throttle
return to the closed position. I've had no problems with my truck but the
mushy shifts bothered me too. I installed a Banks Trans Command (~$275) and
I've been very pleased with the results.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Art Verling
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:38 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - R100 Trans


>
>I am new to this list but I have been on the 61 to 97 list for about one
>year now.
>I have the V10 with the hew R100 transmission. Has anyone had any
experience
>with it that would be helpful to know (like the E4OD problems) or even
>anything good to pass on. I only have 3000 miles on it and it seems mushy
on
>shifts but it works fine and no problems yet. Also did anyone get the
recall
>letter about the speed control cable (99SO9-S2).. Ford said it is a problem
>an 1.5 million vehicles. Your speed control can just come on at any time
>without notice.
>Thanks
>Art
>art.verling excite.com
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:13:45 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate Molding

There are no problems with mine, truck is just
over a year old.

Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4






very noticable outward warps each just above the ends of the
tailgate lock.

Is this common for all tailgates? I have seen this on many
other 1999-2000 Super Duties. I'm not sure if this happens on
the Light Duty F-Series.

Look at your tailgates an report back. I want mine replaced byt
the dealer.
Too many people comment on the warp, I don't want attention
drawn to this
defect. Is Ford aware of this issue?>>....


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