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97up-list-digest Friday, October 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 272



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Various
FTE 97up - Transmission problems
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission problems
Re: FTE 97up - Door crack on the dealer lot
FTE 97up - Ajusting parking brake
Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)
Re: FTE 97up - Ajusting parking brake
Re: FTE 97up - cracks in doors
Re: FTE 97up - cracks in doors
FTE 97up - air mattress for the Expedition
FTE 97up - Excursion TT Mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - air mattress for the Expedition

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 07:04:22 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - Various

DO NOT alloW them to install a door skin on your 97-98 F150. The structural
integrity that the door had from the factory will be lost. Isn't this the
reason that you want the door replaced in the first place? A strong rigid
assembly without stress areas.

Scott

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:29:24 -0400
From: George Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - Transmission problems

I have been a reader of the digest for over a year and have gotten a lot of
good information and links to sites that have really helped. I would like
to thanks all of the members for their inputs.

I have a 97 F-250 PS auto CC 2wd 4.10 gears and I tow a 35 ft 5th wheel.
CGVW is a little over 19,000 lbs. ( I have weighed it twice at truck scales)
I was reading about some of the transmission problems on the list and
thought that I would share my experiences and ask some advice.

Our first long trip from Ohio to the Grand Canyon Area resulted in sever
transmission over heating and a warranty rebuild in Flagstaff AZ. The truck
had 11,000 miles on it. 1 st and reverse gear had locked up. They said they
found the coolant lines chinked so it was not cooling properly.

In July returning from Tennessee it would not shift into 2nd and stay there
it would "hunt" for a while and then jump to 3rd.
so at 19,500 miles Ford replaced the transmission again but did not say what
was wrong.

Now with 22,800 miles I am really worried that this transmission is
overworked even though I am within the specified weight limits. The engine
really pulls strong and I stay in 3rd unless I am on really level expressway
and over 62 mph. It seems to be okay but dose not shift consistently when
accelerating from a stop. I am trying to find a transmission shop to
install a larger cooler. I had a one tell me it didn't need it and another
say it was too hard to do. I also had someone tell me that if I put too big
a cooler in it will not run okay in the winter. Any assistance on this would
be appreciated.

I am also thinking of getting a transmission temperature gauge as mentioned
on some of the posts. Where to you get them? And are they hard to install.

Thanks
George Brown
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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:36:07 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission problems

George Brown wrote:

George,
so again go the www.ford -diesel. com and search the forums.
Especially the 97 list. There's a number of posts of folks that have
added a cooler to the A4OD. Usually the biggest one available is
what most have done. As you note, overcooling could be a problem, but
not in Calif. There's also info about that.

Keep in mind the 4R100 (updated A4OD) has a different cooling setup,
and don't get confused by reading the 99 SD forum.

As for the guages, there are analog and digital guages.
The 97 A4OD runs a bit hotter than the 99 4R100 when everything is
equal, so the analog guage starting at 140F may be fine.

Isspro makes a fine analog guage, but others such as Autometer, VDO
etc are good.

Intellitronics makes the only digital guage I am aware of.

My intellitronics guage was purcahsed from Summit Racing.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://summitracing.com/index.htm

You could purchase the Isspro guage from DIS which is a favorite vendor of
the ford-diesel web site.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dieselpage.com/

You can also get the sender from them.

Installation instructions can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/gimain.htm

A 99 specific setup can be found here.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/giall99f.htm

On the 4R100, the sender can be placed in the transmission drain plug, or on
the side (noted in the above url). I chose the side mounted location.
I'm not sure if the A4OD can be mounted in the side, but the guys at DIS
can tell you for sure.

I also used the A-pillar mount in the articles. (trans, pyrometer and boost
guage ).

How hard is it? If you are capable of changing spark plugs, or wiring
auxiliary lights, then you can do this.


> Now with 22,800 miles I am really worried that this transmission is
> overworked even though I am within the specified weight limits. The engine
> really pulls strong and I stay in 3rd unless I am on really level expressway
> and over 62 mph. It seems to be okay but dose not shift consistently when
> accelerating from a stop. I am trying to find a transmission shop to
> install a larger cooler. I had a one tell me it didn't need it and another
> say it was too hard to do. I also had someone tell me that if I put too big
> a cooler in it will not run okay in the winter. Any assistance on this would
> be appreciated.
>
> I am also thinking of getting a transmission temperature gauge as mentioned
> on some of the posts. Where to you get them? And are they hard to install.
>
> Thanks
> George Brown
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:50:40 -0500
From: Glenn S See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door crack on the dealer lot

Stopped by the local dealer today. A real nice '97 low mileage XLT SC on
the used car lot had the infamous crack 1/4" visible outside the corner
moulding on the driver's side door. Interestingly, one of the
salespersons was on his way to intercept me in the lot in his golf cart
when he saw me walking toward the truck. He made a U-turn when he
noticed I was looking closely at the door. May have been a co-incidence,
but I didn't go inside to find out.

The '99 F-250 doors look much better to me. The dealer didn't have any
'00 trucks on the lot. The -250 may be the next replacement .........in
'08.........lol.

Steve
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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:05:27 PDT
From: "Jeff Hunt"
Subject: FTE 97up - Ajusting parking brake

I recently joined this list as I have a 97 Ford E Super-Duty Econo van
chassis that is used on my 98 Minnie-Winnie RV. The van uses a Triton
V-10.

The parking brake does not engage sufficently to ensure the vehicle
will not roll in gear.

I looked at the brake assembly underneath that is used on the drive
shaft. Silly me, I thought it would be connected to the rear brake
drums.

I could not see any adjustment where the cable connects to the
brake assembly. The cable appeared to tightly screwed into the assembly that
connects to the brake mechanism lever. There does not appear to be any
adjustment nut to increase the released tension on
the brake assembly.

Any idea how I can adjust the cable to provide more tension on the
brake assembly when the parking brake is engaged?

TIA,

Jeff

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:13:26 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)

I kept the 4" on my F-350, but added a 3-1/2" front lift (basically just new
Springs 5 leaves instead of the stock 2 leaves plus other parts to keep the
geometry proper). Looks great, sits high.

Keith


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From: Gene Ball
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Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)


> You used to get a 4in block in the rear !
> Now you get a 2in block!
> I myself, like the 2in block
> Mine came with the 4in
> I went to the 2in!
> Gene
>
> Dave Santo wrote:
>
> > A salesman at the dealership where I've ordered my y2k f250 told me
yesterday that
> > the 2000 4x4's are being built LEVEL! NO RAKE!! Actually he said they
lower the
> > rear to match the front. Anyone else have info about this. I WAS going
to lift the
> > front end when I got the truck end of Oct. The reason I called him was
that I SAW
> > a brand new truck on the highway and IT WAS LEVEL.
> >
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:12:34 -0500
From: Glenn S See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ajusting parking brake

Haven't looked underneath an E-350, but the 5.0 ton 6x6 Jeep truck we use
down at the volunteer fire department uses the same parking brake setup
on the drive shaft. The handle twists to adjust the tension.

Don't know if your's will do the same.

Steve

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:45:51 -0700
From: JOHNORF
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - cracks in doors

For what it's worth, Earnhardt's Ford in Tempe, Az is replacing my door
skin with what they described as "a new designed, beefier door." I'll
be dropping it off one day shy of the 36 month warrenty period. Thanks
to who ever first brought this problem to everyone's attention. I would
have never noticed the crack until it was too late.

Gotta love this list.

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:46:53 -0700
From: "D. Whipkey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - cracks in doors

Hi All,

I just joined the lisa again after a few months. I read the list
religiously for months before we bought our '98 late last year. It's a
short bed std cab XL.
The door crack discussion has peaked my interest, so I have alot of
questions about it. Where exactly does it occur and is it on both doors?
How long have people had their trucks before they noticed the crack? (We've
had this rig for almost a year now). Is there a recall on it? (doubt it,
haven't heard anything). Any other pertinent info would be helpful.

Thank You IA,
Dave Whipkey
Seattle Area


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From: JOHNORF
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - cracks in doors


> For what it's worth, Earnhardt's Ford in Tempe, Az is replacing my door
> skin with what they described as "a new designed, beefier door." I'll
> be dropping it off one day shy of the 36 month warrenty period. Thanks
> to who ever first brought this problem to everyone's attention. I would
> have never noticed the crack until it was too late.
>
> Gotta love this list.
>
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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:35:33 -0700
From: Joe Risser
Subject: FTE 97up - air mattress for the Expedition

I'm looking for a sturdy, rapidly-inflating air mattress for the
Expedition, wide enough to reach from side to side. Any recommendations?
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:03:07 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: FTE 97up - Excursion TT Mirrors

Are the Excursion TT mirrors the same as the Super Duty TT mirrors except
for being heated? Will they interchange with the Super Duty? TIA



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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:27:38 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - air mattress for the Expedition

In a message dated 99-10-07 23:58:36 EDT, you write:


try wal mart i think, i saw some that are self inflateing , try REI.com also

RS

Date: 99-10-07 23:58:36 EDT
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I'm looking for a sturdy, rapidly-inflating air mattress for the
Expedition, wide enough to reach from side to side. Any recommendations?
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