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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - 4R100
Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should I ask for a new door?
Re: FTE 97up - Archives?
Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should...
Re: FTE 97up - Archives?
FTE 97up - Add a leaf lift
Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
FTE 97up - Engine Overhauls
FTE 97up - Calif. Tranny Concerned
Re: FTE 97up - Calif. Tranny Concerned
Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
FTE 97up - Tranny temp gauge
Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)
Re: FTE 97up - transmission temp guage
Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)
Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)
Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)
Re: FTE 97up - Calif. Tranny Concerned

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:15:06 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4R100

The way I had my dealer confirm that the 44E was the 4R100 was to look up
the order code on the Superdutys. All superdutys have the 44E order code.

Heck, if it's good enough for a superduty, it's good enough for an F-150.

- -Dean


At 05:25 PM 10/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Men!
>
>I just got done speaking with my brother who works on the 4R100 production
>line in Cincinnati. He pretty much confirmed the info below.
>
>I spoke with the service manager at my dealer here in Austin, as well, and
>he said that the 4R100s are better.
>
>Also, I spoke with Ford Customer Service, 800-426-1283, and they confirmed
>that you CAN order the 44E on an F-150 Lariat and XLT. She described the
>44E as a 5.4L with a 4 speed overdrive tranny. Although, they could not
>confirm that it was the 4R100, they did say the column that the 44E/U code
>appears in, is the "transmission" column.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:44 PM
>To: jmann living.com
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4R100
>
>The 4R100 is supposed to be a much stronger Tranny. It is the exact tranny
>used in the f-150 lightning and all the F-250/350 superdutys. I really
>believe that the 44U (4R70W) is a much weaker tranny. It's based off the
>old AOD and AOD4 tranny Ford used to make. The 4R100 is based off the E4OD
>truck tranny that was used on all F-150's with the 5.8L back in the early
>to mid 1990's. The E4OD was also used on the 1993-1995 F-150 Lightning.
>
>
>Try to get the 44E tranny is you can. You will be happier in the long run.
> Definitly if you plan on supercharging it.
>
>That's my $.02.
>
>
>
>
>At 10:35 AM 10/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Why Flame?
>>
>>I just want to know the difference between the 4R100(44E) and the
>>4R70W(44U)? I've never heard of this. My truck, a 2000 F-150 Lariat SC
>>Flareside 4x4, was ordered last week. I just looked at the order sheet
>and
>>it lists the 44U, 4 speed auto tranny. What does the 44E give you that the
>>44U doesn't??
>>
>>A quick reply would be greatly appreciated, so that I might get the order
>>changed before the truck begins production!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Joe
>>Austin, TX.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:47 AM
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Subject: FTE 97up - 4R100
>>
>>I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
>>3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
>>F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
>>4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
>>truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
>>the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
>>5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
>>California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
>>did not reject the order.
>>
>>I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
>>(4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.
>>
>>Flame away
>>
>>
>>-Dean Baruffi
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:23:33 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100

This is not entirely correct. You won't get the California emissions on a
Northeast Truck with the GVW over 6030LBS. That's the hitch. All other
vehicles below 6030LBS will get the California emissions.

On my dealer's lot there were several F-150''s 4x4, 4x2, supercabs,
standard cabs, flareside, styleside, all with 5.4L. The ONLY one that
had the 4R100 tranny was a 1999 F-150, SC, flareside, 4x2. (They did not
have any 2000 models in). The remaining F-150 all had the 4R70W.

This goes to show you that these trucks DO NOT have California Emissions in
the Northeast (otherwise they all would have had the 4R100. The Truck that
did have the 4R100 did not have California emissions either. We (the
dealer and I) were very puzzled.

That's when I said "I want the 4R100!

- -Dean Baruffi


At 05:33 PM 10/5/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Connecticut is a "Northeast" state, right? So it has the "Northeast state"
>emissions package, right? The "Northeast state" emissions package IS the CA
>emissions package, but with a different ordering code. So trucks there with
>the 5.4L engine should have the 4R100 trans.
>
>I guess a good question would be did you see any 5.4L trucks with 4R70W
>transmissions? I bet there weren't any.
>
>Rob
>
>
>> I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
>> 3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
>> F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
>> 4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
>> truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
>> the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
>> 5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
>> California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
>> did not reject the order.
>>
>> I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
>> (4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.
>>
>> Flame away
>>
>>
>> -Dean Baruffi
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:16:08 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should I ask for a new door?

SSM 13238 is the correct number for the SSM. It still says that it is
under investigation and the preventive fix should be out soon.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Fairleigh
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK
or should I ask for a new door?


> Nathan,
>
> Can you verify that the ssm #12071 is the correct number? Thanks!
>
> Mike Fairleigh
> mikef sky.net
> ...Always remembering our veterans.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Kunzelman
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:25 PM
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should I
> ask for a new door?
>
>
> > Mike or Steve,
> >
> > Today I talked to Randy at the Frontier Ford body shop about Special
> Service
> > Message #12071. He looked into it, then reported back that this number
is
> > no good.
> >
> > Is this a typographical error or is 12071 the right number dealing with
> the
> > door crack? Does anybody know how I can get a copy of this document?
> >
> > Thanks, Ron
> >
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:02:39 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Archives?

In a message dated 99-10-05 20:37:34 EDT, you write:

a few companys make them that i have looked into, superlift, trailmaster,
skyjacker, tuff country, and some other place in AZ. All do it just a bit
differently. From what infomation i have gathered you also will need new
front shocks. Go buy your self a Four Wheeler mag. and gaze through it,
thats how i found out most of the info. Most have web sites also.

I will be doing front lift sometim in the future after some tires.

RS


Date: 99-10-05 20:37:34 EDT
From: xplorit erols.com (Mike Ruth)
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Forgive me if this is repetitive... I am having troublr locating the
archive section to look up superduty lifts. Any info about just doing
the front lift would be great. You may respond directly to me. Also
info on how to access the archives would be great.
Mike
xplorit erols.com
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94 E.B. Explorer 4x4

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:43:57 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should...

Will this fix also cover owners out of warrenty? I have 62,000 miles and the
famous crack and would love to have it fixed.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:45:50 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Archives?

If you want to just lift the front how about adjusting the torsion bars. It
will give you an inch or 2. But if you are wanting to lift several inches why
only the front?

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:56:46 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: FTE 97up - Add a leaf lift

Does anyone know where I can get an add a leaf lift for my 97 f150 4x4 rear
end? I raised the torsion bars in the front almost to the maximum lift and
I would like to get the lift for the back. Does anyone have any
suggestions, comments, or advice regarding this?


Thanks,
Chris

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:28:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bryant Heikkila
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100

I just finished ordering a 2000 Lariat with the 5.4l. The 5.4l/4R100
combination (Code 99L/44E) is required by California emissions. Only those
vehicles less than 6000# GVWR, which is just the 4.2l V6 for the F150, are
required to have the CA emissions and the 44E transmission in the Northeast
states (CT,DE,MD,MA,NH,NJ,NY,PA,RI,VT,VA, and D.C.). The rest of the trucks
I believe get the 5.4l/4R70W (Code 99L/44U) setup. The question is: Can you
get the CA emissions if you are not required to and is the 4R100 tranny that
much better to offset the negative aspects of the CA emissions which I think Iread somewhere results in lower HP.

Bryant
Maryland

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>Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:33:19 -0700
>From: "Rob Bryan"
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
>
>Connecticut is a "Northeast" state, right? So it has the "Northeast state"
>emissions package, right? The "Northeast state" emissions package IS the CA
>emissions package, but with a different ordering code. So trucks there with
>the 5.4L engine should have the 4R100 trans.
>
>I guess a good question would be did you see any 5.4L trucks with 4R70W
>transmissions? I bet there weren't any.
>
>Rob
>
>-----------------------
> I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
> 3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
> F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
> 4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
> truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
> the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
> 5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
> California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
> did not reject the order.
>
> I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
> (4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.
>
> Flame away
>
>
> -Dean Baruffi
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:33:29 -0700
From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Engine Overhauls


I'm just curious how many people have driven trucks over 200,000 miles
without major overhauls?

Also, how many people have ever had to overhaul an engine in their
lifetimes?

I had a truck for 15 years once, (Chevy) 6 cyl engine. Although I
bought this tired truck from a plumber (don't do this), and I put an
additional 70K miles on it, I never had to overhaul the engine. (just
everything else)

The new truck of course only has 13K miles and hopefully won't need an
overhaul for another 15 years.

- Stephen Witte 97 CC F350 4x4 5spd


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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:07:02 -0700
From: Marvin Smith
Subject: FTE 97up - Calif. Tranny Concerned

I have a 99 F250SD Lariat Diesel and I love it. I just returned from a
3 month trip around the United States hauling a 34 foot 5th wheel
trailer weighing just under 14,000 lbs. When I got to Idaho I had
problems with the transmission shifting. I went to the Ford dealer and
he told me the trans. had over tempted and it was burned up. He said
this was the 5th trans. that he had replaced. He said that the factory
rep. indicated that the trans. were having a fluid circulating problem
and not properly cooling the transmission. They replaced the trans. and
sent me on my way. Since, I have been in touch with 3 more owners who
have had trans. replaced. My ford dealer and Ford Motor Co. does not
want to admit a problem exists.

Does anyone out there know of any problems or have any info about this
problem. My driving habits are OD on straight level highways and out of
OD on any hills where I drop below 60 mph.

Thanks
Marv

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:48:20 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Calif. Tranny Concerned

Check www.ford -diesel. com. There have been some cases of transmission failure
due to over temp, but I'd say somewhat rare. At highway speeds in the conditions

you note, the transmission stays pretty cool. At low speed maneuvers, when
moving
a large heavy load, it's been noted that the transmission can get pretty hot.
And pretty fast too.

Since you are probably over the GVWR by 1000 lbs,
I'd bet that's the condition that toasted your tranny.

Some stuff you will pick up in researching:

Best way to monitor with a trans temp guage.
And perhapsan auxiliary fan for slow speed cooling.
Maybe synthetic ATF as well (been noted to lower temps by 10F or so).
Maybe a transcommand or engine chip, that will help firm up the auto
transmission
shifts. (less slippage == less heat, but won't help in low speed conditions)

I have a intelletronics digital trans temp guage, and I typically see
30-40F over ambient temps unloaded/loaded ( 10,000+ lbs)
at highway speeds. When the transmission is slipping a lot due to lots
of stop/go hill climbing (lots of gear shifting), the temps rise surprisingly
fast.

Maneuvering a heavy 5th might put you in a similar condition.

I have a 99 F350 SD 4x4 SC with PSD and haul a Lance 820.

Oh, and the analog guages start the reading at 140F. vs digital which reads
from 40F or less.

Hope this helps,
- -john

Marvin Smith wrote:

> I have a 99 F250SD Lariat Diesel and I love it. I just returned from a
> 3 month trip around the United States hauling a 34 foot 5th wheel
> trailer weighing just under 14,000 lbs. When I got to Idaho I had
> problems with the transmission shifting. I went to the Ford dealer and
> he told me the trans. had over tempted and it was burned up. He said
> this was the 5th trans. that he had replaced. He said that the factory
> rep. indicated that the trans. were having a fluid circulating problem
> and not properly cooling the transmission. They replaced the trans. and
> sent me on my way. Since, I have been in touch with 3 more owners who
> have had trans. replaced. My ford dealer and Ford Motor Co. does not
> want to admit a problem exists.
>
> Does anyone out there know of any problems or have any info about this
> problem. My driving habits are OD on straight level highways and out of
> OD on any hills where I drop below 60 mph.
>
> Thanks
> Marv
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:30:07 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100

Bryant,

You summed it up very well here.

I tried to get California emissions because I want the 4R100 tranny. My
dealer said the truck was to heavy to order it with Cal emissions. It
would not take the order. But, as I mentioned, it did take the 44E tranny
option order.

- -Dean



At 11:28 AM 10/6/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I just finished ordering a 2000 Lariat with the 5.4l. The 5.4l/4R100
>combination (Code 99L/44E) is required by California emissions. Only those
>vehicles less than 6000# GVWR, which is just the 4.2l V6 for the F150, are
>required to have the CA emissions and the 44E transmission in the Northeast
>states (CT,DE,MD,MA,NH,NJ,NY,PA,RI,VT,VA, and D.C.). The rest of the trucks
>I believe get the 5.4l/4R70W (Code 99L/44U) setup. The question is: Can you
>get the CA emissions if you are not required to and is the 4R100 tranny that
>much better to offset the negative aspects of the CA emissions which I
think Iread somewhere results in lower HP.
>
>Bryant
>Maryland
>
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>------------------------------
>
>>Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:33:19 -0700
>>From: "Rob Bryan"
>>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
>>
>>Connecticut is a "Northeast" state, right? So it has the "Northeast state"
>>emissions package, right? The "Northeast state" emissions package IS the CA
>>emissions package, but with a different ordering code. So trucks there with
>>the 5.4L engine should have the 4R100 trans.
>>
>>I guess a good question would be did you see any 5.4L trucks with 4R70W
>>transmissions? I bet there weren't any.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>-----------------------
>> I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
>> 3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
>> F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
>> 4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
>> truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
>> the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
>> 5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
>> California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
>> did not reject the order.
>>
>> I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
>> (4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.
>>
>> Flame away
>>
>>
>> -Dean Baruffi
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:12:08 -0500
From: RBalling distcrt18.state.ks.us
Subject: FTE 97up - Tranny temp gauge

Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:46:43 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - a question/concern about my truck

Bill;

You were not having a problem. People forget the peak torque and HP ratings

are done with wide open throttle. As long as you were not having to run wide

open run at the speed you were running at this should not be an issue on the

engine.

I have a 98 4x4150sc with the 5.4 auto...I tow a 5,000lb trailer and also a
4300lb boat...both in and around the hills in northeaster Okl. and southern
Missouri...I have a Gibson exhaust(love it) and a Superchip...and have no
problems towing....however..I did install a tranny temp gauge(B&M from
Jeg's) and I discovered once in awhile at low speeds and steep hills..the
temp will start to climb reall quick....so the gauge has paid for itself
tenfold...Richard in Kansas...

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:28:20 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100

I believe there is an ordering code so that you can get CA emissions when it
is not required. It is called something like "CA Principal use ordered from
non-CA state" or something like that. Basically it means that you are going
to register the vehicle in CA, but you aren't buying it there (this gets you
out of paying the $300 smog impact fee when you register a car that doesn't
have CA emissions in CA). I guess it is a moot point if the computer
accepted the 4R100 trans ordering code.

FWIW, F-series trucks have the same power rating with or without CA
emissions. This is not the case for some other trucks, though (V10 Dodge
Rams and Toyota Tundras come to mind).

Rob


> Bryant,
>
> You summed it up very well here.
>
> I tried to get California emissions because I want the 4R100 tranny. My
> dealer said the truck was to heavy to order it with Cal emissions. It
> would not take the order. But, as I mentioned, it did take the 44E tranny
> option order.
>
> -Dean
>
>
>
> At 11:28 AM 10/6/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I just finished ordering a 2000 Lariat with the 5.4l. The 5.4l/4R100
>>combination (Code 99L/44E) is required by California emissions. Only those
>>vehicles less than 6000# GVWR, which is just the 4.2l V6 for the F150, are
>>required to have the CA emissions and the 44E transmission in the Northeast
>>states (CT,DE,MD,MA,NH,NJ,NY,PA,RI,VT,VA, and D.C.). The rest of the trucks
>>I believe get the 5.4l/4R70W (Code 99L/44U) setup. The question is: Can you
>>get the CA emissions if you are not required to and is the 4R100 tranny that
>>much better to offset the negative aspects of the CA emissions which I
> think Iread somewhere results in lower HP.
>>
>>Bryant
>>Maryland
>>
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>>>Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:33:19 -0700
>>>From: "Rob Bryan"
>>>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
>>>
>>>Connecticut is a "Northeast" state, right? So it has the "Northeast state"
>>>emissions package, right? The "Northeast state" emissions package IS the CA
>>>emissions package, but with a different ordering code. So trucks there with
>>>the 5.4L engine should have the 4R100 trans.
>>>
>>>I guess a good question would be did you see any 5.4L trucks with 4R70W
>>>transmissions? I bet there weren't any.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>-----------------------
>>> I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
>>> 3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
>>> F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
>>> 4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
>>> truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
>>> the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
>>> 5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
>>> California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
>>> did not reject the order.
>>>
>>> I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
>>> (4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.
>>>
>>> Flame away
>>>
>>>
>>> -Dean Baruffi
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:28:48 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)

A salesman at the dealership where I've ordered my y2k f250 told me yesterday that
the 2000 4x4's are being built LEVEL! NO RAKE!! Actually he said they lower the
rear to match the front. Anyone else have info about this. I WAS going to lift the
front end when I got the truck end of Oct. The reason I called him was that I SAW
a brand new truck on the highway and IT WAS LEVEL.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:51:32 -0400
From: "Larry Hackler"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - transmission temp guage

If I remember correctly, the Chevy only comes with some option
package, probably the towing package>

Larry
1999 F150 XLT V8 (not the V-6 version) 5.4 L Automatic, SC, no crack
yet
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.net/~hacklerl
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From: Michael Ray Jones
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, October 04, 1999 11:34 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - transmission temp guage


>Unless I'm not remembering the test right, the new Chevy's have a
>transmission temp guage.
>
>> The transmission does not like heat generally and unfortunatly none
of the
>>mfr's supply a transmission temp gage. Similarly, you can't really
tell if
>>you are pushing the limits without one. SO, if you are concerned, a
>>transmission temp gage is a good investment. Then you can tell
whether or
>>not you need to go the extra distance for an auxiliary transmission
cooler.

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:59:43 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)

My 1999 F250 has the Heavy Duty Suspension option, and it sets level. This is a
popular option in my area because it lifts and levels the truck.

Dave Santo wrote:

> A salesman at the dealership where I've ordered my y2k f250 told me yesterday that
> the 2000 4x4's are being built LEVEL! NO RAKE!! Actually he said they lower the
> rear to match the front. Anyone else have info about this. I WAS going to lift the
> front end when I got the truck end of Oct. The reason I called him was that I SAW
> a brand new truck on the highway and IT WAS LEVEL.
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:56:33 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)

You used to get a 4in block in the rear !
Now you get a 2in block!
I myself, like the 2in block
Mine came with the 4in
I went to the 2in!
Gene

Dave Santo wrote:

> A salesman at the dealership where I've ordered my y2k f250 told me yesterday that
> the 2000 4x4's are being built LEVEL! NO RAKE!! Actually he said they lower the
> rear to match the front. Anyone else have info about this. I WAS going to lift the
> front end when I got the truck end of Oct. The reason I called him was that I SAW
> a brand new truck on the highway and IT WAS LEVEL.
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:56:59 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000's and rake (no ho's)

I saw an F250 SD on a lot that was level, but
the front was like 2 inches higher than mine!
It looked good.
How are they (Ford) bringing the front up??

Thanks
Vaughn






level. This is a popular option in my area because it lifts and
levels the truck.>>

Dave Santo wrote:

> A salesman at the dealership where I've ordered my y2k f250
> told me yesterday that the 2000 4x4's are being built LEVEL!
> NO RAKE!! Actually he said they lower the rear to match the
> front. Anyone else have info about this. I WAS going to lift....


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