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In this issue:

FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW
Re: FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW
FTE 97up - 4R100
RE: FTE 97up - 4R100
RE: FTE 97up - 4R100
Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
FTE 97up - FW: RE 2000 F-350 axle options
FTE 97up - Crack ON DOOR!!
RE: FTE 97up - 4R100
FTE 97up - Tracking an order
FTE 97up - Archives?
Re: FTE 97up - 4R100
RE: FTE 97up - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should I ask for a new door?
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Second FTE server
Re: FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW
Re: FTE 97up - Archives?
Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should I ask for a new door?
Re: FTE 97up - Original Options

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:27:29 -0500
From: "Allemand, Andre'"
Subject: FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW

I to have the famous crack on the door and am in the same boat your in with
the tint and visors. I believe when the door is replaced, they will use all
the "guts from the old door such as the window and accessories. Also, does
anyone know how much an extended cab 4x2 weighs....?
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:23:04 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW

Chances of the window tint gettin scratched during the change
will be almost cretin!
Not that the guy changing wont care ?
But it will be hard to do with out scratching it !!
Gene
Allemand, Andre' wrote:

> I to have the famous crack on the door and am in the same boat your in with
> the tint and visors. I believe when the door is replaced, they will use all
> the "guts from the old door such as the window and accessories. Also, does
> anyone know how much an extended cab 4x2 weighs....?
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:46:34 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: FTE 97up - 4R100

I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
did not reject the order.

I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
(4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.

Flame away


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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:35:17 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4R100

Why Flame?

I just want to know the difference between the 4R100(44E) and the
4R70W(44U)? I've never heard of this. My truck, a 2000 F-150 Lariat SC
Flareside 4x4, was ordered last week. I just looked at the order sheet and
it lists the 44U, 4 speed auto tranny. What does the 44E give you that the
44U doesn't??

A quick reply would be greatly appreciated, so that I might get the order
changed before the truck begins production!

Thanks,

Joe
Austin, TX.



- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:47 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 4R100

I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
did not reject the order.

I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
(4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.

Flame away


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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:16:20 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4R100

Oh, one reason I'm curious, is that I'm thinking about super charging the
truck. Nothing major, just a little extra power.

Joe


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From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:35 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4R100
Importance: High

Why Flame?

I just want to know the difference between the 4R100(44E) and the
4R70W(44U)? I've never heard of this. My truck, a 2000 F-150 Lariat SC
Flareside 4x4, was ordered last week. I just looked at the order sheet and
it lists the 44U, 4 speed auto tranny. What does the 44E give you that the
44U doesn't??

A quick reply would be greatly appreciated, so that I might get the order
changed before the truck begins production!

Thanks,

Joe
Austin, TX.



- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:47 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 4R100

I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
did not reject the order.

I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
(4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.

Flame away


- -Dean Baruffi

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:34:09 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100

In a message dated 99-10-05 12:23:50 EDT, you write:


junk and better junk (4R100), lol !

RS

Date: 99-10-05 12:23:50 EDT
From: jmann living.com
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Why Flame?

I just want to know the difference between the 4R100(44E) and the
4R70W(44U)? I've never heard of this. My truck, a 2000 F-150 Lariat SC
Flareside 4x4, was ordered last week. I just looked at the order sheet and
it lists the 44U, 4 speed auto tranny. What does the 44E give you that the
44U doesn't??

A quick reply would be greatly appreciated, so that I might get the order
changed before the truck begins production!

Thanks,

Joe
Austin, TX.



-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:47 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 4R100

I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
did not reject the order.

I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
(4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.

Flame away


-Dean Baruffi

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:26:29 -0400
From: davesomers
Subject: FTE 97up - FW: RE 2000 F-350 axle options

(aargh - this is an old reply (I hate list servers that can't deal with
forwarding systems), but I didn't see anyone else answer since so I'm
sending it again)

> >Subject: RE: 2000 F-350 4x4 front axle options
> >
> >I don't know which axle it is, but changing the packages only affects
the
> >springs, stabilizers and shocks. The axle doesn't change.
> >Dave Somers
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:01:15 -0400
> >> From: "White, Robert W"
> >> Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-350 4x4 front axle options
> >>
> >> I am getting ready to order a new F350 4x4 dually and need some help
> >> determining what front axle come with the following options:
> >>
> >> #674 HEAVY SERVICE PKG:
> >>
> >> #682 MAX FRONT GAWR PKG:
> >>
> >> #86M SNOW PLW PKG:
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:06:57 -0400
From: "Freddy Favela"
Subject: FTE 97up - Crack ON DOOR!!

I thought that the Crack on the door was not supposed to effect the 1999
trucks!? Is this true or not? And if so is it all the trucks or just
the ones from a certain plant?? Mine does not have the crack.
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From: Allemand, Andre'
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:43 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW


>I to have the famous crack on the door and am in the same boat your in with
>the tint and visors. I believe when the door is replaced, they will use
all
>the "guts from the old door such as the window and accessories. Also, does
>anyone know how much an extended cab 4x2 weighs....?
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:25:02 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4R100

Men!

I just got done speaking with my brother who works on the 4R100 production
line in Cincinnati. He pretty much confirmed the info below.

I spoke with the service manager at my dealer here in Austin, as well, and
he said that the 4R100s are better.

Also, I spoke with Ford Customer Service, 800-426-1283, and they confirmed
that you CAN order the 44E on an F-150 Lariat and XLT. She described the
44E as a 5.4L with a 4 speed overdrive tranny. Although, they could not
confirm that it was the 4R100, they did say the column that the 44E/U code
appears in, is the "transmission" column.

Joe




Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:44 PM
To: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4R100

The 4R100 is supposed to be a much stronger Tranny. It is the exact tranny
used in the f-150 lightning and all the F-250/350 superdutys. I really
believe that the 44U (4R70W) is a much weaker tranny. It's based off the
old AOD and AOD4 tranny Ford used to make. The 4R100 is based off the E4OD
truck tranny that was used on all F-150's with the 5.8L back in the early
to mid 1990's. The E4OD was also used on the 1993-1995 F-150 Lightning.


Try to get the 44E tranny is you can. You will be happier in the long run.
Definitly if you plan on supercharging it.

That's my $.02.




At 10:35 AM 10/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Why Flame?
>
>I just want to know the difference between the 4R100(44E) and the
>4R70W(44U)? I've never heard of this. My truck, a 2000 F-150 Lariat SC
>Flareside 4x4, was ordered last week. I just looked at the order sheet
and
>it lists the 44U, 4 speed auto tranny. What does the 44E give you that the
>44U doesn't??
>
>A quick reply would be greatly appreciated, so that I might get the order
>changed before the truck begins production!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
>Austin, TX.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:47 AM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - 4R100
>
>I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
>3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
>F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
>4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
>truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
>the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
>5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
>California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
>did not reject the order.
>
>I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
>(4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.
>
>Flame away
>
>
>-Dean Baruffi
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:46:23 -0700
From: "mlester"
Subject: FTE 97up - Tracking an order

My son just ordered a Y2K F250 SD EC PSD and of course he is excited.

It seems to me that some months ago there was a posting that mentioned a
site that allowed you track the status of your order.

Am I smoking too much funny stuff or does anyone know if there is such a
site.

Thanks in advance

Martial

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:29:53 -0400
From: Mike Ruth
Subject: FTE 97up - Archives?

Forgive me if this is repetitive... I am having troublr locating the
archive section to look up superduty lifts. Any info about just doing
the front lift would be great. You may respond directly to me. Also
info on how to access the archives would be great.
Mike
xplorit erols.com
99 F350 Lariat SC 4x4
94 E.B. Explorer 4x4

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:33:19 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4R100

Connecticut is a "Northeast" state, right? So it has the "Northeast state"
emissions package, right? The "Northeast state" emissions package IS the CA
emissions package, but with a different ordering code. So trucks there with
the 5.4L engine should have the 4R100 trans.

I guess a good question would be did you see any 5.4L trucks with 4R70W
transmissions? I bet there weren't any.

Rob


> I went to my dealer here in Connecticut where I ordered my truck (for the
> 3rd time because they got it wrong each time). They had on the lot a 1999
> F-150 XLT 4x2 SC 5.4L Flareside. I took a look underneath and saw the
> 4R100 tranny, not the 4R70W. I then went in side and asked about it. The
> truck does NOT have California emissions. So, I said to the dealer, I want
> the 44E tranny order code not the 44U on my 2000 F-150 XLT sport SC, 4x2
> 5.4L. (The 44E is the 4R100 tranny). He put the order in (without
> California emissions) and it said "ordering" when he finished to order. It
> did not reject the order.
>
> I don't think you need California emissions to get the heavy duty 44E
> (4R100) tranny on an F-150. Proof is the truck on my dealer's lot.
>
> Flame away
>
>
> -Dean Baruffi
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:25:58 -0700
From: "Ron Kunzelman"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should I ask for a new door?

Mike or Steve,

Today I talked to Randy at the Frontier Ford body shop about Special Service
Message #12071. He looked into it, then reported back that this number is
no good.

Is this a typographical error or is 12071 the right number dealing with the
door crack? Does anybody know how I can get a copy of this document?

Thanks, Ron

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:03:24 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Second FTE server

Here we grow again!

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has once again outgrown the capacity
of our server. We are in the process of ordering a fractional
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In the meantime, our server has gotten slower and we've taken
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:13:47 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - TINT ON DOOR WINDOW

I suspect that they will simply reskin the door rather than replace the
entire thing.
John G
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:28:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Archives?

The archives have been off line since May. We simply did not
have enough drive space. See the admin message I just posted.
We just obtained more space and will have the archives back
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At 08:29 PM 10/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Forgive me if this is repetitive... I am having troublr locating the
>archive section to look up superduty lifts. Any info about just doing
>the front lift would be great. You may respond directly to me. Also
>info on how to access the archives would be great.
>Mike
>xplorit erols.com
>99 F350 Lariat SC 4x4
>94 E.B. Explorer 4x4
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:36:01 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Attn Nathan - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should I ask for a new door?

Nathan,

Can you verify that the ssm #12071 is the correct number? Thanks!

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering our veterans.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Kunzelman
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Is welding the cradk in driver door OK or should I
ask for a new door?


> Mike or Steve,
>
> Today I talked to Randy at the Frontier Ford body shop about Special
Service
> Message #12071. He looked into it, then reported back that this number is
> no good.
>
> Is this a typographical error or is 12071 the right number dealing with
the
> door crack? Does anybody know how I can get a copy of this document?
>
> Thanks, Ron
>
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