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 ford-trucks.com (97up-list-digest) To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 97up-list-digest V2 #262 Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 97up-list-digest Tuesday, September 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 262 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 97up - RE: Piston Slap Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap? FTE 97up - Bug Shields Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap? Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields Re: FTE 97up - 4.6L engine oil and filter change FTE 97up - ADMIN: FTE news article FTE 97up - 2000 Power Stroke 6 speed XLT Upgrade package. FTE 97up - exhaust FTE 97up - '97 Expedition FTE 97up - Washer fluid RE: FTE 97up - Washer fluid FTE 97up - fuel filter change on 99 PSD FTE 97up - Extreme Boost Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap? Re: FTE 97up - Extreme Boost Re: FTE 97up - fuel filter change on 99 PSD Re: FTE 97up - fuel filter change on 99 PSD Re: FTE 97up - Washer fluid ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:22:44 -0400 (EDT) From: dlsipe webtv.net (Darin Sipe) Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Piston Slap I read an article some time ago, unfortunately, I can't remember the source, about this issue. It is very common and has to do with the manufacturing tolerances of the engine. Of course, Ford says it will not have any effect on the perfomance or longevity of the engine. (Tranlated that means, "We don't want to pay to fix thousands of engines.") I was aware of this in my search for my current (used) 97 w/ 5.4, so I sought one that was relatively silent at start-up. So far, so good. Darin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:41:28 -0400 From: Dean Baruffi Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap? This same thing happend to my cousin with his 1999 F-250 SD 5.4L. After several attemps to get rid of the sound, Ford service was unable to. They said to live with it. He then started lemon-law procedures and within one day Ford called and said they would replace the engine. BTW, he picked his truck up in October of 1998. - -Dean At 08:57 AM 9/26/99 +0000, you wrote: > > I think I have this going on in my > 99 SD 5.4. Its not real loud but the best > way I can discribe it is "Diesel sounding". > Its has a diesel type rattle to it until it > warms up. Its been going on probably since I > bought it it in Sept. of 98. I just thought > it was the exhaust just resonanting while cold. > But now I'm wondering...... > How is Ford handleing this? > How much of a problem is it for the long term > effect on the engine if they don't/can't fix it?? > > Thanks > Vaughn > 99 F250 SD SC SB 4X4 5.4 >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:45:10 -0600 From: "Gary Edwards" Subject: FTE 97up - Bug Shields Hey guys, great email listserv here... lots of great info. I'm interested in a bug/rock shield for my '00 SD (had to try that number, hehe). I really like the new style with the laid back look, but wondered how easy, or HOW you wash underneath it? Any brand recommendations? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:07:48 EDT From: LUBER1 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap? I've got a "98" SC 5.4. Has had the slap since day one. Now has 70+K on it and runs as good as the day I picked it up. I am very pleased with the interior, handling and overall appearance. (yes I have the crack in the door) Does anyone talk about what they like about thier trucks? I can find flaws in any production vehicle, I find less in Ford. Luber == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:09:13 -0500 From: Stan Wright Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields I like the Interceptor from Lund. It screws on under the hood, and is easy to install. It stands off the hood far enough that cleaning behind it is no problem. Gary Edwards wrote: > Hey guys, great email listserv here... lots of great info. I'm > interested in a bug/rock shield for my '00 SD (had to try that number, > hehe). I really like the new style with the laid back look, but wondered how > easy, or HOW you wash underneath it? Any brand recommendations? > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:07:35 -0500 From: "Mike Fairleigh" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.6L engine oil and filter change Huh? My '98 F150XLT SC 4x2 4.6L has the filter just to the left (driver's side) of the oil pan. There isn't anything blocking it from any direction. I normally crawl under from the front to do it all, but I could crawl under the side and get to it just as easily. Mike Fairleigh mikef sky.net ...Always remembering our veterans. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:54 AM Subject: FTE 97up - 4.6L engine oil and filter change > Hey, whoever thought to put the oil filter in such a place?? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:22:41 -0400 From: kpayne ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: FTE news article Check out the news section of the web site at http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/index.html FTE has just published an article about the door stress crack on 1997-1998 F150s. Additional articles about this will be published in the near future. Ken Payne Admin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:11:05 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 Power Stroke 6 speed XLT Upgrade package. Ford has announced a upgrade package for F-250-550 Super Duty XLT's with the Power Stroke and the 6 speed manual (exludes Motorhome chassis). (this is due to a shortage of gasoline engines and automatics even though they don't say it). What the package is: CD/Cassette radio Cab Steps Sliding rear window Privacy glass OWL all season tires (N/A F-450-550 chassis cabs) This will have a package price of $500 MSRP and an equal package discount making these options free. The code for this package is 60D and it is supposed to be available for ordering today (although at the time I'm writting this the computer won't take the code). Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:46:53 -0500 From: "Doug Pogatetz" Subject: FTE 97up - exhaust Darin Thanks for the update on the sheetmetal I will look tonite at the closely. I just talked to a speed shop and he puts on alot of Basani exhaust systems. The Basani is stainless also. If and when I get it I will post my thoughts He also recommended JDA headers (stainless) $639. His cost is $537 with him installing it. Doug == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:04:49 -0500 From: "Owens, Robbie A" Subject: FTE 97up - '97 Expedition I know this is off topic of the F150's but the expedition has the same tranny and that is what my question is concerning. The transmission in the Expe slips from 2nd to 3rd gear. Whether under normal or hard acceleration, the RPM's will jump up a little and then drop so the gears can engage. This cannot be normal. Has anyone else experienced this problem? If so, what is it? I'm taking it in to the dealership tomorrow morning to have it looked at. Rob Owens Boeing Aerospace Operations Buyer Navy E-6 Program 405-739-1953 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Hunter Subject: FTE 97up - Washer fluid Hallo, Did anyone find a solution for the washer fluid not coming out for a long….long time. Mine takes about 4-5 hard push and then hold it down for about 10 seconds 'till the washer fluid comes out. I took it to the dealer and they told me that this is the way it should work. Is there is a way, where you can get the water first and then start the wipers? Hunter. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:43:52 -0700 From: "Bert Brehm" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Washer fluid > -----Original Message----- > Did anyone find a solution for the washer fluid not coming out > for a long….long time. > Mine takes about 4-5 hard push and then hold it down for about 10 > seconds 'till the > washer fluid comes out. I took it to the dealer and they told me > that this is the way > it should work. > > Is there is a way, where you can get the water first and then > start the wipers? Hunter, I had the very same problem on my 98 F-150 Lariat. The dealer replaced the multifunction switch under warranty. Now it is good as new! Bert == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:31:36 EDT From: RSnovi aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - fuel filter change on 99 PSD well today i got my new filter in the mail for PSD , decided to jump right up and give it a go. Here is some i my recommendations after learning first time. Make sure the front bumper is not wet( i slipped and my butt landed right in fire ants!) Have some shop rags and go-jo handy. Drain fuel out of houseing before removeing top. Its a pain in the neck to reach behind the cover on top the motor. happy diesel smells! RS == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:39:15 PDT From: "Scott Matus" Subject: FTE 97up - Extreme Boost I want to share an experience I had this morning. I was waiting to use the on-ramp to I-25 North (181 exit) to Denver from Castle Rock. An 18 wheeler fully loaded with roofing shingles started out ahead of me. I am always curteous to traffic and let the 18 wheeler have 1/4 mile headstart. I was holding back this Ch*vy Su8ur8An, that was just too damn anxious. He even attempted to pass me on the On-Ramp, So I had to punch it earlier that I wanted. Just to keep that Ch*vy in line. I left the largest cloud of Soot you ever saw. By the time I reached 4th Gear (6-Speed Manual) I lost ALL power. I backed off to see what the problem was, I scanned the gauges, All read normal(I won't go off on the idiot gauges here). My first impreession at this time, "I blew all the vanes of the Turbo". It did not act like a waste gate. I took the next exit and looked for Oil/smoke/other problems. At first scan I saw nothing. I would not get any satisfaction at my dealer at 6:00AM, so I drove the F350 home. I looked at the engine thoroughly and finally found the problem. I blew the feed pipe that runs to the Intercooler from the Turbo. It was just the Band Clamp was too Loose. An 11mm socket later and I was on the road again. My Boost gauge does not have illumination so I could never have read the Boost Pressure that I was developing at night. I have never ran the Boost over 18 PSI. I don't know why today was any different. Maybe just cooler more dense air this morning, I don't know. My findings on the PSD without the assist of a turbo - "A BIG FAT OLD LAZY DAWG, just after he eats" Later guys, Scott. 1999 F350 PSD 6-Speed 4x4 CC SRW LBed ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:52:07 -0400 From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap? Hey good point!! Although I've only had 2 problems with my 98 F-150 SC 4x4 leak in rear window and of course the famous 'crack'), I truly love this truck! Handles well, extremely comfortable seats IMHO, rides great, and I love the futuristic styling. I had this truck on a 6 hr. trip recently and it was so comfortable, plus I got a little over 19MPG with my 4.6L V8. I felt that wasn't too bad considering the weight and size of this vehicle. It is getting similar fuel economy that I experienced with my old '90 F-150 with the 4.9 L inline six. Oh yeah, I also like the smoothness of my E4OD tranny. I've never looked, but I'm sure there is a Chevy or Dodge list similar to this and I'll bet there is plenty of complaining there too! I feel after listening to other guys at work talking about their vehicles ( brands other than Ford ), they ALL have their share of problems and I've been lucky with my old '90 truck, my '98 and my wife's '94 Explorer! Great trucks all of them! Just my opinion. Ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:07 AM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap? > I've got a "98" SC 5.4. Has had the slap since day one. Now has 70+K on it > and runs as good as the day I picked it up. I am very pleased with the > interior, handling and overall appearance. (yes I have the crack in the > door) Does anyone talk about what they like about thier trucks? I can find > flaws in any production vehicle, I find less in Ford. > Luber > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:01:19 -0700 From: johny Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Extreme Boost Two good things: no major issues with the engine, and the Che*y did'nt pass. On the http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel.  com/ website, I can recall a small handfull of these cases. There have been periodic reports of the pipe blowing off as you've experiened. Usually under hard acceleration. I've never had the problem, and I've only noticed the problem on the 99's. Checking the clamps periodically seems to be a good idea. I usually check various belt(s) and clamps whenever I change the oil. I don't know what the turbo plumbing looks like on a 97 PSD, but I wonder if they have they have the flexible interconnects like the 99's. I bet they don't, which is why I almost never hear about this. Anyone with knowledge of the 99 and 97 PSD can comment? - -john Scott Matus wrote: > I want to share an experience I had this morning. > > I was waiting to use the on-ramp to I-25 North (181 exit) to Denver from > Castle Rock. An 18 wheeler fully loaded with roofing shingles started out > ahead of me. I am always curteous to traffic and let the 18 wheeler have > 1/4 mile headstart. I was holding back this Ch*vy Su8ur8An, that was just > too damn anxious. He even attempted to pass me on the On-Ramp, So I had to > punch it earlier that I wanted. Just to keep that Ch*vy in line. > > I left the largest cloud of Soot you ever saw. By the time I reached 4th > Gear (6-Speed Manual) I lost ALL power. I backed off to see what the > problem was, I scanned the gauges, All read normal(I won't go off on the > idiot gauges here). My first impreession at this time, "I blew all the > vanes of the Turbo". It did not act like a waste gate. > > I took the next exit and looked for Oil/smoke/other problems. At first scan > I saw nothing. I would not get any satisfaction at my dealer at 6:00AM, so > I drove the F350 home. > > I looked at the engine thoroughly and finally found the problem. I blew the > feed pipe that runs to the Intercooler from the Turbo. It was just the Band > Clamp was too Loose. An 11mm socket later and I was on the road again. My > Boost gauge does not have illumination so I could never have read the Boost > Pressure that I was developing at night. I have never ran the Boost over 18 > PSI. I don't know why today was any different. Maybe just cooler more > dense air this morning, I don't know. > > My findings on the PSD without the assist of a turbo - > > "A BIG FAT OLD LAZY DAWG, just after he eats" > > Later guys, > > Scott. > 1999 F350 PSD 6-Speed 4x4 CC SRW LBed > > ______________________________________________________ > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:01:09 -0400 From: Alan Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel filter change on 99 PSD Sombody want to tell RS the cover over the fuel filter comes off... Unless they changed newer models.. Sorry Alan RSnovi aol.com wrote: > well today i got my new filter in the mail for PSD , decided to jump right up > and give it a go. Here is some i my recommendations after learning first > time. > > Make sure the front bumper is not wet( i slipped and my butt landed right in > fire ants!) > > Have some shop rags and go-jo handy. > > Drain fuel out of houseing before removeing top. > > Its a pain in the neck to reach behind the cover on top the motor. > > happy diesel smells! > RS > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:44:21 EDT From: RSnovi aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel filter change on 99 PSD In a message dated 99-09-27 21:01:26 EDT, you write: well i saw the two rubber coated nuts on top but i figured i could probably get it out without removeal, but in retrospect i will pull it off next time. thanks RS Date: 99-09-27 21:01:26 EDT From: lambo gemair.com (Alan) Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Reply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Sombody want to tell RS the cover over the fuel filter comes off... Unless they changed newer models.. Sorry Alan RSnovi aol.com wrote: > well today i got my new filter in the mail for PSD , decided to jump right up > and give it a go. Here is some i my recommendations after learning first > time. > > Make sure the front bumper is not wet( i slipped and my butt landed right in > fire ants!) > > Have some shop rags and go-jo handy. > > Drain fuel out of houseing before removeing top. > > Its a pain in the neck to reach behind the cover on top the motor. > > happy diesel smells! > RS > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:01:26 -0400 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (v61.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:01:16 -0400 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id UAA07200; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wythdantis.gemair.com (wythdantis.gemair.com [209.115.68.31]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id UAA07166; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap localhost) by wythdantis.gemair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA19085 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dayoh-a218.gemair.com(209.115.69.218) by wythdantis.gemair.com via smap (V2.0beta) id xma019076; Mon, 27 Sep 99 20:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:01:09 -0400 From: Alan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel filter change on 99 PSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:34:09 -0400 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Washer fluid This problem was very common on '97 and '98 Expeditions. Eventually, Ford issued a recall for Expeditions and replaced the "stalk" (turn-signal) lever on which all the wiper controls exist. Thousands of them were replaced under the recall. Apparently, the cause was corrosion. In my case, the washer started to get harder to use and took longer and longer to come on, or it needed to be pushed many times (sometimes while turning the wipers on-and-off too!). Anyway, the new stalk fixed it. Keith - ----- Original Message -----.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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