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97up-list-digest Monday, September 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 261



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap?
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap?
FTE 97up - Vehicle Jacking Points
FTE 97up - Chips - Shootout - Car & Driver
RE: FTE 97up - Chips - Shootout - Car & Driver
FTE 97up - cracks in doors
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 97up - A lesson learned!
FTE 97up - 4.6L engine oil and filter change
Re: FTE 97up - Chips - Shootout - Car & Driver
Re: FTE 97up - A lesson learned!

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:57:18 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap?

I think I have this going on in my
99 SD 5.4. Its not real loud but the best
way I can discribe it is "Diesel sounding".
Its has a diesel type rattle to it until it
warms up. Its been going on probably since I
bought it it in Sept. of 98. I just thought
it was the exhaust just resonanting while cold.
But now I'm wondering......
How is Ford handleing this?
How much of a problem is it for the long term
effect on the engine if they don't/can't fix it??

Thanks
Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB 4X4 5.4
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 07:30:57 -0700
From: "Daniel M. Richmeier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 piston slap?

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> I think I have this going on in my
> 99 SD 5.4. Its not real loud but the best
> way I can discribe it is "Diesel sounding".
> Its has a diesel type rattle to it until it
> warms up. Its been going on probably since I
> bought it it in Sept. of 98. I just thought
> it was the exhaust just resonanting while cold.
> But now I'm wondering......
> How is Ford handleing this?
> How much of a problem is it for the long term
> effect on the engine if they don't/can't fix it??
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD SC SB 4X4 5.4
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I also have a 99' SD 5.4L that has "piston Slap." It makes a lot of noise
when cold started, which lasts for about a 1 1/2 minutes. I too would like
to know what long term effects that this defect can cause to the rest of the
engine?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Dan


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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:32:27 -0700
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 97up - Vehicle Jacking Points

Hello,

Need to do a tire rotation on my 1998 F-150, 2wd, auto trans. What is
the proper location to position a floor jack to raise the front of the
truck. Also, where's a good place to put a couple jackstands for the
front.

Kindof a simple question, but I thought I'd ask before messing up
anything...

Thank you,
Jon





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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:10:00 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: FTE 97up - Chips - Shootout - Car & Driver

Karen Wall / Steve Offiler,

You said THIS MONTH's issue of Car and Driver. Well, I've searched high and
low on their website for the article you mention and I can't find anything on
it. Anywhere. If the date of the mag is October or November, that's probably
why. They only have through September on the site. Which issue is it?

TIA

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:56:25 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Chips - Shootout - Car & Driver

I found identical information on the final pages of October '99 issue of
Motor Trend (a free subscription, by the way), where it shows vitals in a
table format called "Road Test Review." They include this information in
each and every issue, and reference the issue where the "big story" can be
found. I also found similar information in the database section found at
www.motortrend.com

Motor Trend is a first class publication. Check it out for yourself. I
don't recall where I enrolled for a free subscription, other than it being
on the WWW. Perhaps you can find the site using a search engine.

Regards,
Penn

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Subject: FTE 97up - Chips - Shootout - Car & Driver


Karen Wall / Steve Offiler,

You said THIS MONTH's issue of Car and Driver. Well, I've searched high and
low on their website for the article you mention and I can't find anything
on
it. Anywhere. If the date of the mag is October or November, that's probably
why. They only have through September on the site. Which issue is it?

TIA

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:40:12 -0700
From: Don and Nancy Yoder
Subject: FTE 97up - cracks in doors

I know this has been talked out allot but, I have another question. Will
the cracks in the doors get bigger over time? My 97 F-150 Long Bed has
been built into a custom show truck with expensive graphics on the side
of both doors. If I have to replace it all I wonder if my insurance will
pay for the graphics or the dealer? Hummm, that's two questions. Any
answers that are helpful is appreciated. Thanks, Don Yoder,
Disabled Viet Vet in Oregon.













Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:56:56 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: FTE 97up - Door cracks

Here is another anecdote regarding the door cracks (not that any more is

needed). Last night I was coming home late, and decided to stop by my
nearby dealer to check out their just-arrived Excursion. Nice truck.
Anyway, since I was there, I thought I'd take a quick poll on their used
97
& up F150's. They had 16 of them on the lot of virtually every
configuration - except I didn't see any without power windows.

Of the 16 total, 14 of them had cracks in at least one door. Several
had
them on both doors, but of the ones that only had it on one door, it was
on
the driver's door in all cases. The location of the crack didn't vary
more
than 3/16" up or down on any of them.

While I personally think the power window theory is the most viable one,
I
have a co-worker with a '98 SC 4x2 without power windows. His driver
door
is cracked.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering our veterans.




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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:47:46 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site has been updated.

Pictorial section has the following new trucks:
1999 F150
1992 F150
1988 Bronco II
1986 Ranger 4x4
1978 F150
1973 F100

Links Updated:
Misc. Truck Section

New Tech Article
Every once in a while we get an article submission that is
truly exceptional. List member Greg Carter has given us just
that! Check out his "1991 Ford F-250 Build-Up" article in
the tech articles section of the web site covering the
rebuild of a Dana 60 including Detroit Locker and its
installation into a F-250, IFS to Solid front axle, rear disk
brake conversion for the Ford 10.25 full float axle, MileMarker
Winch, power steering pump, and front bumper. Greg will soon
be sporting a free FTE t-shirt!
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 01:11:57 EDT
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - A lesson learned!

Just got back from a fishing trip(no fish!)and on the way back from the
ocean, I decided to rinse out the jet-drive on my boat. Well I decided to
stop at one of the rivers on the way home and proceeded to back my trailer
dowm the ramp and into the river. The water was low and the ramp ended about
two feet into the water, so I had to back off the ramp and my trailer wheels
seemed to fall into an underwater hole or ledge.
This is where the trouble began, since I have the Powerstroke and 4x4 I
figured no problem! When I decided to pull my boat out, I put the truck in 4
by Low and started pulling, and it was not budging, so I gave it more fuel
and it popped out of the water and onto the ramp. Only problem was that I
had heard and felt a kind of "PoP" noise that didn't sound right. I looked in
the mirrors and saw that the wheel on my trailer was askew and almost even
with the transom of the boat.
To make things short.....the trailer axle or u-bolts had hung up on the
last piece of concrete on the ramp and the PSD broke the trailer spring, and
bent the axle as well as pulled the welds off the axle spring mounts.
This was about 60 miles from home, and me and my two fishing buddies had to
become "McGivers" and strapped and tied as well as winched the axle to the
trailer frame and limped home. By the time we did make it home, the tire that
was way out of alighment from this mishap was almost bald.

A lesson learned is "Do Not Underestimate or Forget about all that torque"
even though we are always talking about it!

Steve Ng....The FishNg1
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 03:54:07 EDT
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 4.6L engine oil and filter change

Hey, whoever thought to put the oil filter in such a place??
The person who did this obviously doesn't change their own oil, they have
someone else do it!!!
The first time i looked at the location of the filter i was amazed. I
basically have to turn my wheels all the way to the right to be able to
access the filter with some ease.
I was always told that the 5.4 and 4.6 engines had their filters up
behind the front bumper, kind of weird but okay.
now i come to find that my filter is behind my a/c
condenser/compressor?. there is a little plug in computer device right in
front of and below it. But the left side tie rod and pitman arm are right
there in the way.
geniusness in location. anyone else have any complaints or gripes about
the location of their filter?

this realy makes me wonder what ford thinks sometimes.
i changed my wife's oil in her 97 ply neon. the filter is right next
to the oil drain plug. imagine that!!!!


Bill
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:32:49 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chips - Shootout - Car & Driver

At 11:10 AM 9/26/99 -0700, you wrote:

>You said THIS MONTH's issue of Car and Driver. Well, I've searched high and
>low on their website for the article you mention and I can't find anything on
>it. Anywhere. If the date of the mag is October or November, that's probably
>why. They only have through September on the site. Which issue is it?


I left the magazine at work over the weekend. I'll try to remember to
bring it home tonight. All I can tell you is that it is the CURRENT issue.
Certainly not September. I am a subscriber, and it just came a few days ago.

Steve O.

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:04:37 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - A lesson learned!

Hmmm. I wonder if I could use mine to straighten bent tractor frames or
pull down some trees around the farm? I think I'll give it a try.
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From: FISHNG1 aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - A lesson learned!


> Just got back from a fishing trip(no fish!)and on the way back from the
>ocean, I decided to rinse out the jet-drive on my boat. Well I decided to
>stop at one of the rivers on the way home and proceeded to back my trailer
>dowm the ramp and into the river. The water was low and the ramp ended
about
>two feet into the water, so I had to back off the ramp and my trailer
wheels
>seemed to fall into an underwater hole or ledge.
> This is where the trouble began, since I have the Powerstroke and 4x4 I
>figured no problem! When I decided to pull my boat out, I put the truck in
4
>by Low and started pulling, and it was not budging, so I gave it more fuel
>and it popped out of the water and onto the ramp. Only problem was that I
>had heard and felt a kind of "PoP" noise that didn't sound right. I looked
in
>the mirrors and saw that the wheel on my trailer was askew and almost even
>with the transom of the boat.
> To make things short.....the trailer axle or u-bolts had hung up on the
>last piece of concrete on the ramp and the PSD broke the trailer spring,
and
>bent the axle as well as pulled the welds off the axle spring mounts.
> This was about 60 miles from home, and me and my two fishing buddies had
to
>become "McGivers" and strapped and tied as well as winched the axle to the
>trailer frame and limped home. By the time we did make it home, the tire
that
>was way out of alighment from this mishap was almost bald.
>
> A lesson learned is "Do Not Underestimate or Forget about all that....


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