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97up-list-digest Sunday, September 26 1999 Volume 02 : Number 260



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Computer Modules
FTE 97up - Chips (was RE: SuperChip Installation Help!)
Re: FTE 97up - Chips (was RE: SuperChip Installation Help!)
Re: FTE 97up - Chips (was RE: SuperChip Installation Help!)
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-350 4x4 front axle options
Re: FTE 97up - Power Force chips
RE: FTE 97up - Computer Modules
Re: FTE 97up - Computer Modules

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:30:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: dlsipe webtv.net (Darin Sipe)
Subject: FTE 97up - Computer Modules

I hear a lot of talk about computer modules (chips). Please be advised
that the use of these "upgrades" causes your timimg to advance and
therefore requires the use of premium octane fuel. The aftermarket
companies often fail to disclose this in their advertising, but it is
noted in their installation directions.. Any gain in MPG will be more
than cancelled out by increased fuel expense. I ended up taking a
hypertech out of my previous '94 due to the fact that increased
performance was very slight compared to the increase in fuel costs.

Just some food for thought.

Darin

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:09:31 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: FTE 97up - Chips (was RE: SuperChip Installation Help!)

Anyone considering a performance chip should probably check out this
month's Car & Driver magazine. They did a shootout with six different chip
manufacturers, using chassis dyno's and racetrack timing to get a
comparison. I was shocked to see the dyno curves, which on five of the six
were literally indistinguishable between factory and performance chip. You
really have to see the article to get the whole story, which I will not
even attempt here.

Steve O.
soffiler ici.net
North Scituate RI
'97 F-250HD 4x4 old style

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:29:00 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chips (was RE: SuperChip Installation Help!)

Karen Wall / Steve Offiler wrote:
>
> Anyone considering a performance chip should probably check out this
> month's Car & Driver magazine. They did a shootout with six different chip
> manufacturers, using chassis dyno's and racetrack timing to get a
> comparison. I was shocked to see the dyno curves, which on five of the six
> were literally indistinguishable between factory and performance chip. You
> really have to see the article to get the whole story, which I will not
> even attempt here.
>
> Steve O.
> soffiler ici.net
> North Scituate RI
> '97 F-250HD 4x4 old style
>

Steve O,

I am too cheap to get the mag. Which chips were tested?
What cars were they tested on? Who won?

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:52:04 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chips (was RE: SuperChip Installation Help!)

At 08:29 AM 9/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
> I am too cheap to get the mag. Which chips were tested?
>What cars were they tested on? Who won?
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier

Jean Marc:

Sorry, but I left the magazine at work. You could always head down to the
local drug store and read it at the magazine rack! I'll give you a bit
more info off the top of my head:

C&D solicited all the chip mfg's, and got six to respond. C&D allowed each
mfg to pick the car (or truck) which they wanted to be tested on. C&D then
did performance testing of the stock car (or truck) using both a chassis
dyno and drag strip measurents. Then the chips were installed and the
tests repeated. The dyno curves are presented in graphic chart form in the
magazine, and five of the six were so extremely similar to stock that the
curves are literally laying right on top of each other.

The one standout was a Chevy pickup, which was tested with a device that
reprograms the stock computer (it is not a chip itself, but a handheld unit
that plugs into the engine computer and allows all sorts of user-selectable
modifications, including reversing it back to stock). They got an
improvement of something like 7HP and 10ft-lb of torque, and they got the
torque right off idle meaning it was *very* usable. They shaved a full
second off the zero-to-sixty time with it.

Again, anyone who is interested in this subject should really read the
whole article, since there is more to it than I can possibly recall off the
top of my head, and they explain it very well. No, I do not work for C&D,
and this is not a scheme to promote the sale of this magazine. Grab a copy
at your local library if you must. I found the information fascinating and
revealing.

Best regards,
Steve O.
soffiler ici.net
North Scituate RI

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:51:05 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-350 4x4 front axle options

All F-350's have a Dana axle with a 5200 lbs. capacity (rating at ground).
I beleive their a Dana 60, but I'm not sure. (these quotes are for a F-350
R/C DRW pickup, other body styles may be different). The front GAWR is
Minimum of 4000lbs and max of 4400lbs for a standard pickup. On a Power
Stroke its 4400-4800. With Heavy Service suspension its 4000-4800 (GAS
ENGINE) 4400-5200 (diesel), with the Snow plow package you get a 5200 lbs
axle. The snow plow package tends to sit very high in the front (higher
than the back).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: White, Robert W
To:
Cc: 'Bob & Kris White'
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 6:01 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-350 4x4 front axle options


> I am getting ready to order a new F350 4x4 dually and need some help
> determining what front axle come with the following options:
>
> #674 HEAVY SERVICE PKG:
>
> #682 MAX FRONT GAWR PKG:
>
> #86M SNOW PLW PKG:
>
> are they all DANA #60's is one a DANA #50, do they all have solid axle
> tubes, is on an Independent suspension what is the max loading of each
axle
> (the listing is somewhat ambiguous, thanks bob
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:43:54 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Power Force chips

I doubt it is actually Ford approved. Ford is usually against any of the
chips that alter the compter programing. See if the dealer actually has a
letter on Ford letterhead stating that these chips are approved. I doubt it
is, but it is possible, Ford has been trying to get their fingers into
everything auto related (they annouced they'd have their own auto insurance
by the end of the year).

Nathan

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From: Steve J. Hodson
To:
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-150 Lariat Upgrade package.


> Nathan: Do you know anything about Power Force computer chips? My local
> Ford dealer is representing them as "Ford Approved" and their logo is Ford
> like. Power Force is located in Pendleton Oregon.


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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:14:26 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Computer Modules

I agree. This point is often overlooked. After installing a chip upgrade,
how many owners have discovered that filling up with regular unleaded
results in embarrassing, humiliating "ping," not to mention the harm it
could cause your engine.

$.20 more per gallon for premium adds up to approx $5.00 more per thankful.
One tank a week adds up to approx $260 a year. Add in $230 or more for the
chip.

Lest we forget that any increase in performance increases desire to "hot
rod," therefore decreasing gas mileage (but it's fun as hell... right,
guys?)

However, for most folks who actually want a chip upgrade, these issues are
irrelevant. You want to "kick it up a notch," or pull that load with more
confidence, and I can't blame you. To each his own.

Just my $.02 worth.

Penn

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Darin Sipe
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 6:30 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Computer Modules


I hear a lot of talk about computer modules (chips). Please be advised
that the use of these "upgrades" causes your timimg to advance and
therefore requires the use of premium octane fuel. The aftermarket
companies often fail to disclose this in their advertising, but it is
noted in their installation directions.. Any gain in MPG will be more
than cancelled out by increased fuel expense. I ended up taking a
hypertech out of my previous '94 due to the fact that increased
performance was very slight compared to the increase in fuel costs.

Just some food for thought.

Darin

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:10:12 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Computer Modules

The chips are not about saving money, they are about performance. That is why
they are called PERFORMANCE chips. I have the Superchip and it was the best
thing I have added to my truck. Definetly money well spent.

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