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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: question about the new gmc and silverado compared with ford
Re: FTE 97up - question about the new gmc and silverado compared with ford
FTE 97up - Door cracks
Re: FTE 97up - question about the new gmc and silverado comparedwith ford
Re: FTE 97up - question about the new gmc and silverado compared with ford
FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting
FTE 97up - Supercharge, Part Deux
RE: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting
Re: FTE 97up - Re:XLT Door Lights
Re: FTE 97up - Supercharge, Part Deux
Re: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting
FTE 97up - Order Pulled
FTE 97up - GMC & Silverado compared with Ford
FTE 97up - SuperChip Installation Help!

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:46:25 EDT
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: question about the new gmc and silverado compared with ford

A 7000 lb trailer vs a bass boat? Hmmm.....

I do love the idea of a 454 a constant 4 grand. I can hear them rods comin
unglued now..

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:32:08 EDT
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question about the new gmc and silverado compared with ford

if i worded my question wrong, i'm sorry. i meant to compare the f series
light duty and super duty with gm's same versions.

sorry for the confusion
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:56:56 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: FTE 97up - Door cracks

Here is another anecdote regarding the door cracks (not that any more is
needed). Last night I was coming home late, and decided to stop by my
nearby dealer to check out their just-arrived Excursion. Nice truck.
Anyway, since I was there, I thought I'd take a quick poll on their used 97
& up F150's. They had 16 of them on the lot of virtually every
configuration - except I didn't see any without power windows.

Of the 16 total, 14 of them had cracks in at least one door. Several had
them on both doors, but of the ones that only had it on one door, it was on
the driver's door in all cases. The location of the crack didn't vary more
than 3/16" up or down on any of them.

While I personally think the power window theory is the most viable one, I
have a co-worker with a '98 SC 4x2 without power windows. His driver door
is cracked.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:12:59 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question about the new gmc and silverado comparedwith ford

In a message dated 99-09-21 23:28:30 EDT, you write:


well i dont even consider chevy 2500 worthy to be compared to a SD :) , at
least in a diesel. There was a OR in that statement.

RS


comparedwith ford
Date: 99-09-21 23:28:30 EDT
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Why do you compare a Chevy 2500 with an F-150? You should be comparing to a
SuperDuty! (or at least an F-250 "non-SuperDuty").

Keith


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> In a message dated 99-09-21 18:08:04 EDT, you write:
>
>
> your looks aint deciving, I have a F250SD s/c 4x4. I have ridden in the
back
> of my friends new Z 71 1500 4x4, 5.3, and it might have a tad more room
on
> the seat and its a bit more comfortable than my SD, but mine seems to be
> wider because we fit 6 people in mine because i have 60/40 front bench and
he
> has capt. chairs in the Chevy. I think the only thing its lacking is 4
door.
> I like the all the creature comforts better in the Chevy though, its got
> enough cup holders to have a party.
> I think the bigger s/c window makes it look huge, but it reality its not
> that much bigger the height is definatly less than mine. I guess with the
> 1500 or 2500 pretty much has the F150 whipped unless you have the 5.4. I
> know we towed the ski boat 75-80 and its about 3500-4000 total lbs.
>
> I wonder how long it will take for others to change it almost the same.
>
> RS
>
>
> with ford
> Date: 99-09-21 18:08:04 EDT
> From: TRITON46L aol.com
> Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
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> has anyone here test drove the 99 gmc or silverado trucks, light duty or
> whichever. i keep hearing that these trucks are far superior to ford in
> every way.
> i just wanna know what the truth here is, i know it's a lot of
opinion
> too.
> the cab of the chevys and gmc does "look" bigger. but I'm 6'6" i don't
> think an inch or two or three in the ext Cab would matter much with my
> height.
> But I guess small children or average height people would have more
room
> back there.
> But aside from the cab b.s. what about these new engines? they make
> their torque at such a high rpm. i am not the best mechanic in the
world,
> but i would think that in a truck u would want your peak torque at a low
> rpm,
> like 1500-3000. or somewhere in that range.
> i';ve also heard that torque at a high rpm is better because u can
take
> advantage of gearing. i don't know what the hell to believe. if anyone
has
> any answers to clarify this, please help!!!
> all i know is that i have a 99 f-150 supercab 4.6L triton v-8 4
spd
> auto. 3.55 reg axle. 4x2. without a towing package.
> On Monday i towed a 7,000 LB trailer out to lake eufaula in eastern
> Oklahoma.
> true Oklahoma is flat. much flatter than my home state of Pennsylvania.
> but
> out I-40 east bound in okla it does get kind hilly.
> i towed this trailer with my bumper, rated at 5,000lbs. i towed it
no
> problem at all. eng temp remained normal, my tach read between 2800-3200
> rpms. i averaged between 75-85 mph. it didn't get the best gas mileage,
> but
> i didn't expect that it would.
> oh by the way, my overdrive was obviously off.
> i talked to a guy last night who told me he tows his bass boat with
his
> 98 gmc 2500 vortech 454 at 4000 rpm with overdrive on. he said his
> redline
> was 6000 rpm and he got about 16 miles per gallon. i told him i thought
he
> was full of horse poo (pardon my foul language :)).
> then again i may be wrong.
> so if anyone on this list who tows a lot can educate me on this
stuff, i
> would appreciate your time.
>
> sorry for writing a book.
> Thanks Bill
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:23:56 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question about the new gmc and silverado compared with ford

From what I've seen and heard the Ford engines have more power than the GM
engines (actually many people that have the new ones tell me their old 350
Vortec's had more power than the new 5.3L). Personal observations and Truck
trends dyno tests both support this. The new GM engines seem to be getting
better mileage. The GM's have a much firmer shifting transmission though.
I really like the way they shift, however I've had people come in an
complain about this.

As for room, The Reg. cabs are very compareable (SD is wider, 150 is
slightly bigger) and the Supercabs, The Front seats seem big to me on both
(I'm 5'7" so headroom isn't a big issue to me) The back seat is more
comfortable on the GM (the 2000 Ford seats are better than '99 but GM's are
more comfortable). The SD is MUCH wider than the chevy (actually the truck
is bigger in most ways, that's why the Chevy adds brag about having a bigger
extended cab than F-150 instead of F-Series).

GM has serveral luxary items that Ford doesnt' (but I bet will by the
beggining of the year) such as heated seats and Power passenger seat. The
Super Crew will have Power Pedals, and the Lariats already have Keypad entry
and signal mirrors. So this is a toss up, but I think once Ford adds a few
more options they'll hav an advantage here.

Nathan
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Subject: FTE 97up - question about the new gmc and silverado compared with
ford


> has anyone here test drove the 99 gmc or silverado trucks, light duty or
> whichever. i keep hearing that these trucks are far superior to ford in
> every way.
> i just wanna know what the truth here is, i know it's a lot of opinion
> too.
> the cab of the chevys and gmc does "look" bigger. but I'm 6'6" i don't
> think an inch or two or three in the ext Cab would matter much with my
> height.
> But I guess small children or average height people would have more
room
> back there.
> But aside from the cab b.s. what about these new engines? they make
> their torque at such a high rpm. i am not the best mechanic in the world,
> but i would think that in a truck u would want your peak torque at a low
rpm,
> like 1500-3000. or somewhere in that range.
> i';ve also heard that torque at a high rpm is better because u can
take
> advantage of gearing. i don't know what the hell to believe. if anyone
has
> any answers to clarify this, please help!!!
> all i know is that i have a 99 f-150 supercab 4.6L triton v-8 4
spd
> auto. 3.55 reg axle. 4x2. without a towing package.
> On Monday i towed a 7,000 LB trailer out to lake eufaula in eastern
> Oklahoma.
> true Oklahoma is flat. much flatter than my home state of Pennsylvania.
but
> out I-40 east bound in okla it does get kind hilly.
> i towed this trailer with my bumper, rated at 5,000lbs. i towed it no
> problem at all. eng temp remained normal, my tach read between 2800-3200
> rpms. i averaged between 75-85 mph. it didn't get the best gas mileage,
but
> i didn't expect that it would.
> oh by the way, my overdrive was obviously off.
> i talked to a guy last night who told me he tows his bass boat with
his
> 98 gmc 2500 vortech 454 at 4000 rpm with overdrive on. he said his
redline
> was 6000 rpm and he got about 16 miles per gallon. i told him i thought
he
> was full of horse poo (pardon my foul language :)).
> then again i may be wrong.
> so if anyone on this list who tows a lot can educate me on this stuff,
i
> would appreciate your time.
>
> sorry for writing a book.
> Thanks Bill
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:54:00 -0500
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting

Nathan or anyone for that matter,
you mentioned that the shift is firmer in the GM. This is the only
complaint I have with my truck. I have the 250 sd with an auto behind
the v-10 and it shifts like a slug. Is there any way to adjust the tranny
to shift firmer? I've heard that the chips change the shifting. Do you
know if they modify shift point, rpm wise, or the time it takes to go from
one gear to another or is it a combination of the two?
I have added after market tires 255/85 r16's. I had it delivered with
them, never had a chance to drive it stock, so I'm not sure if they have
effected the shift by throwing off the speedometer. Have any of the speedo
re calibrations you have done helped the shifting?

thanks
pk


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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:04:14 -0700
From: "Robert Benne"
Subject: FTE 97up - Supercharge, Part Deux

Talking to one of the better local speed shops, their strong suggestion is
to install a Banks Powerpack Exhaust kit. They claim a 20% HP increase
without the decrease in engine longevity that comes from supercharging on a
standard V10. Not surprisingly, cost is not cheap. Anyone go this route?
I would appreciate any feedback.



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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:08:04 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting

I have a Superchip in my 99 SD V10. Defineately firmed up the shifting
considerably. I am not sure if it changed the shift points or not since I
am running 35" tires, so the shift points are already off. I can say that
I was originally skeptical on the Superchips, but I am definately sold on
it. Noticeable performance gain and about 1 -1.5 MPG gain.


Mike Strukel
99 F250 SD SC, Superchipped V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains, AE
589 wheels, Westin Nerf Bars, Stainless rocker covers

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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 11:54 AM
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Subject: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting


Nathan or anyone for that matter,
you mentioned that the shift is firmer in the GM. This is the only
complaint I have with my truck. I have the 250 sd with an auto behind
the v-10 and it shifts like a slug. Is there any way to adjust the tranny
to shift firmer? I've heard that the chips change the shifting. Do you
know if they modify shift point, rpm wise, or the time it takes to go from
one gear to another or is it a combination of the two?
I have added after market tires 255/85 r16's. I had it delivered with
them, never had a chance to drive it stock, so I'm not sure if they have
effected the shift by throwing off the speedometer. Have any of the speedo
re calibrations you have done helped the shifting?

thanks
pk


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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:49:46 -0400
From: Alan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:XLT Door Lights

Found mine sockets in place, just put the bulbs in and replaced the red lense.
None on the rear doors though.
Alan

MadPoodle aol.com wrote:

> Were the sockets just loose behind panel? I looked mine, none in hole,
> not quite ready to pull panel off....
>
> Thanks!
>
> Scott
>
> 99 250 PSDSC
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:39:46 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Supercharge, Part Deux

I plan to add the Banks kit this spring. The data banks quotes is + 48 hp
and + 68 ft pds of torque at the rear wheels. DIS in Texas will sell this
to you for $1437.49, no tax or shipping is charged.
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From: Robert Benne
To: Trucks Ford
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:05 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Supercharge, Part Deux


>Talking to one of the better local speed shops, their strong suggestion is
>to install a Banks Powerpack Exhaust kit. They claim a 20% HP increase
>without the decrease in engine longevity that comes from supercharging on a
>standard V10. Not surprisingly, cost is not cheap. Anyone go this route?
>I would appreciate any feedback.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:43:08 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting

I installed a Banks Trans Command on my 99 F350SD 4x4 cc. I really like
what it did for the shifts. Everything happens faster and more firmly.
Installation was ~ 30 minutes. I paid ~$275 mine direct from Banks but you
can find it ~ $30 cheaper from some RV supply places
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From: Perry Klein
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 12:58 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting


>Nathan or anyone for that matter,
>you mentioned that the shift is firmer in the GM. This is the only
>complaint I have with my truck. I have the 250 sd with an auto behind
>the v-10 and it shifts like a slug. Is there any way to adjust the tranny
>to shift firmer? I've heard that the chips change the shifting. Do you
>know if they modify shift point, rpm wise, or the time it takes to go from
>one gear to another or is it a combination of the two?
>I have added after market tires 255/85 r16's. I had it delivered with
>them, never had a chance to drive it stock, so I'm not sure if they have
>effected the shift by throwing off the speedometer. Have any of the speedo
>re calibrations you have done helped the shifting?
>
>thanks
>pk
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:56:27 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: FTE 97up - Order Pulled

I may have read in previous posts but heeded them not.
Anyone know what it means when your order has been
"pulled"? TIA

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:34:55 -0400
From: James Clementz
Subject: FTE 97up - GMC & Silverado compared with Ford

Bill:

I didn't wanna write a book back on the digest, but do have some
experience towing with a truck about the same as yours. I have a 98
F150 SC 4.6l Automatic w/3.55 locking rear end. My truck also did not
come with the towing package. I tow a 25' Coachmen travel trailer that
weighs about 5,000 wet and has the aerodynamics of a wall.

My two biggest concerns were overheating the engine and
overheating the tranny since I don't have the towing package. Of course
I put on a class IV hitch with load levelers and electric brakes. I
basically built my own towing package.

First..... without the towing package you get a thin radiator that is
about 1" thick. It's a single row. The towing package includes a much
thicker radiator that is 2 or 3 rows thick - however.... the height and
width are the same. I checked with a dealer about buying the super
cooling radiator and he said it's something like $360 at the parts
counter - not including installation of course. I checked with a local
radiator shop that said he could get one the next day for $240 new (last
year). I jumped on that. When it came in, the box was from Jer-Dan
radiator or something like that. But when I opened the box, the
radiator was a OEM Ford radiator. Only took me a hour or so to put it
in.

Next, I got a tranny cooler from Pep Boys for about $55. I made
a bracket for it for in front of the a/c condenser and ran two lines
down and tapped into the return line that goes from the radiator back to
the tranny. (Quick trick to see what line to cut - I crawled underneath
a new truck at the dealer to see where the factory line splices in.
There are two lines next to one another) My cooler is about 8" high by
about 12" wide which is a bit bigger than the factory setup. It does a
good job.

I don't use overdrive when towing because it won't sustain it.
I'd rather do 60mpg in 3rd at about 2500rpm and not kill my tranny or
torque converter. It does well this way and I get about 10mpg.

I wouldn't recommend a 5th wheel trailer with my setup or yours
though unless it's a ultralight. The frontal area is too big.

Jim

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:19:09 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - SuperChip Installation Help!

Mike,

I have a SuperChip for my F-350 SuperDuty V-10 4X4 / SuperCab / Longbed /
etc. But I have not been able to locate where to install the chip. Is it
under the dash on the driver's side? If so, exactly where. Thanks!

Keith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Strukel, Mike
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting


> I have a Superchip in my 99 SD V10. Defineately firmed up the shifting
> considerably. I am not sure if it changed the shift points or not since
I
> am running 35" tires, so the shift points are already off. I can say
that
> I was originally skeptical on the Superchips, but I am definately sold on
> it. Noticeable performance gain and about 1 -1.5 MPG gain.
>
>
> Mike Strukel
> 99 F250 SD SC, Superchipped V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains,
AE
> 589 wheels, Westin Nerf Bars, Stainless rocker covers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry Klein [mailto:Klein prudhoe-bay.dowell.slb.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 11:54 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - SD Auto shifting
>
>
> Nathan or anyone for that matter,
> you mentioned that the shift is firmer in the GM. This is the only
> complaint I have with my truck. I have the 250 sd with an auto behind
> the v-10 and it shifts like a slug. Is there any way to adjust the tranny....


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