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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics.
Re: FTE 97up - 97up -Rust on Chrome & Cracked door Sheet metal
FTE 97up - Superduty 60 MPH rumble????
FTE 97up - Roof Leak, 97 F150 SC
RE: FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics.
FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics
FTE 97up - Voltage Problem..?
Re: FTE 97up - Underhood insulator?
Re: FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics.
FTE 97up - GMC Sierra
Re: FTE 97up - GMC Sierra
FTE 97up - 4R100 trans filter Q
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty 60 MPH rumble????
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty 60 MPH rumble????
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty 60 MPH rumble????
Re: FTE 97up - Roof Leak, 97 F150 SC
FTE 97up - 98 Windstar dashboard trim question
FTE 97up - Bug Shields?
Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?
Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?
Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?
Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:05:40 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics.

I have the CD-ROM. I would not own a vehicle without the info.

As specifically what area you are looking for and I'll send you a BMP file
of that Schematic Diag. of the CD.

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:34:47 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97up -Rust on Chrome & Cracked door Sheet metal

SOS pads work really well.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bagley
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 12:12 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 97up -Rust on Chrome & Cracked door Sheet metal


> Sorry for the double post on the door crack thing. I do have a question
for
> everyone though. What can I do to get some pretty hefty rust off of my
> chrome brush guard? Thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
> >From: "Christian Bagley"
> >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 97up -Cracked door Sheet metal
> >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:06:20 EDT
> >
> >I used that comparison to make a point(Over dramatazation).
> >
> >
> >>From: "David Moore"
> >>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>To:
> >>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 97up -Cracked door Sheet metal
> >>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:15:59 -0500
> >>
> >>Don't tell us - vote with your dollars - buy a vehicle that is "ranked"
> >>better. I think comparing "gang bangers" to Ford's service policy is a
> >>bit
> >>much though. Every vehicle has problems that the manufacturers know
about
> >>-
> >>even "common" ones. The best example I can recall is the PPG paint
> >>pealing
> >>problems - that was many times more troublesome and they never "really"
> >>owned up to it. Let's face it - if it's not safety related (and even
then
> >>they try to get out of it) many vehicle manufactures do not wish to fix
> >>the
> >>problem (for obvious reasons).
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Christian Bagley
> >>Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:22 AM
> >>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up -Cracked door Sheetmetal
> >>
> >>
> >>So basically you are saying just roll over and let them do what they
want
> >>to
> >>do. I guess we should just let gang bangers go around and shoot up
> >>everyone
> >>and not hold them to the same laws we obey. After all they are going to
> >>do
> >>what they want to do anyway. Well, we are not going to do that, the
> >>police
> >>still enforce thoses laws that we live by to keep order. If we let big
> >>corporations continue to "screw" the us, the consumers, and if they do
not
> >>hold themselves accountable for the inaccuaracies of their product and
> >>obvious flaws in the build of the product then the day will come when we
> >>are
> >>completely controlled and no longer have any choice and will have to
> >>accept
> >>what the manufacturer sells. It is terrible that we as an American
> >>society,
> >>no longer demand quality and just accept what is sold to us. This
"crack"
> >>may be a small flaw but it WILL result in big complications if it goes
> >>un-treated and Ford will not do anything for those who have no existing
> >>warranty left even though they know that this is a fault of their own
and
> >>due to them trying to cut corners in order to increase their profit
margin
> >>for the executives and stock holders, well guess who gets stuck with the
> >>bill. It's the little man(consumer & businesses) who pays for their
deep
> >>pockets. Well, if we pay for it then we better get a quality product.
> >>Ford
> >>needs to own up to their obligations to their loyal customers and fix
this
> >>problem. Sorry for the post but this upsets me just a little.
> >>
> >>Respectfully,
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>P.S. This was not directed at Jim, I am just venting my feelings about
> >>this
> >>whole thing.
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Jim Bielecki"
> >> >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >> >To:
> >> >Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 97up -Cracked door Sheetmetal
> >> >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:19:32 -0400
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > What you say is true, but the one way to get Ford's attention is to
> >>try
> >> >to
> >> > > hit them harder in the pocketbook than fixing the problem wouldI
> >>realize
> >> > > that alone, I'm not a pimple on Ford's rear end, but if a lot of us
> >> >unite,
> >> > > its going to hurt them (not to mention giving Dodge and GM a field
> >>day
> >> >in
> >> > > publicity).
> >> >
> >> >Unfortunately it will have no impact at all. Sales-wise, big trucks
of
> >>any
> >> >make are selling like hotcakes and the manufacturers can't build
enough
> >>of
> >> >them to meet the demand. The handful who won't buy a Ford because of
> >>this
> >> >problem will just be replaced by someone else.
> >> >
> >> >Jim Bielecki
> >> >
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:52:19 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty 60 MPH rumble????

I while back I asked if anyone else was experiencing a rumble/vibration in
the rear of their Superduty at 50 - 60 mph? Mine happens from 60 - 63
mph. If you are experiencing this problem, please reply back to me. I
took the truck into the dealer and they are blaming it on my tires (BFG Mud
Terrains) I had already swapped back to my stock tires and it is still
present.


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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:53:55 -0400
From: Norm Hurst
Subject: FTE 97up - Roof Leak, 97 F150 SC

Anyone had this one? I got in my truck the other morning after a heavy
rainfall and saw water dripping down from the headliner onto the back seat,
at a point in line with the right edge of the sliding rear window.

My truck is still in warranty, so I plan to have this fixed. I also have
"the crack", and I plan to have that repaired as well. I am very thankful
for this group -- I never would have seen that crack before the warranty
ran out!

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:02:42 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics.

Where did you get the CD ROM??




- -----Original Message-----
From: Scott Matus [mailto:mr_scsi hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:06 AM
To: swright hpcisp.com; 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics.

I have the CD-ROM. I would not own a vehicle without the info.

As specifically what area you are looking for and I'll send you a BMP file
of that Schematic Diag. of the CD.

Scott.

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:01:03 -0700
From: "G Patricio"
Subject: FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics

> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:09:21 -0500
> From: Stan Wright
> Subject: FTE 97up - Electrical schematics
>
> Anyone know of any web resources for electrical schematics for a 1999
> Super Duty? It's too new for a Haynes manual, and I don't want to pay
> $125 for a factory service manual.

Try Helm. They sell the actual factory documentation for all major American
auto makers. They aren't cheap but they will be accurate.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helminc.com/helm/product2.asp?Style=&Sku=FCS1225499&itemtype=N&ms
csid=1CQDDGKVDSS12LKB00G7BDXQ9PJW1MC0

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:55:51 -0500
From: "Allemand, Andre'"
Subject: FTE 97up - Voltage Problem..?

Ok,

Check this one out. I have a 1998 f-150 ext cab. On the lower dash,
there are two plugs. One for the cig. lighter and one spare. I use one for
a radar detector and the other one for a hand held ham radio. The problem
that arises is when I depress the horn, my radar detector "alarms"and my ham
radio "kills". Ive tried it with only one or the other plugged in and it
still does the same thing. Also, the other night my headlights went off
without a warning. Park lights and everything else stayed on. I turned the
switch off and then on and it has not done it again.

BOOMER
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:59:37 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Underhood insulator?

This is sound deadening insulation. If you don't notice objectionable sound
levels in the truck interior while driving then it would not make any
difference to have this.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jon Berman
To: Ford truck mailing list
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:03 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Underhood insulator?


>Hello,
>I've seen some trucks with a single thin "foam type" black insulation
>piece that lines the underside of the hood. I don't have this on my 1998
>F150.
>
>What exactly does this piece do and might it be something good to have?
>
>Thanks,
>Jon
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:51 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics.

I purchased them from Helms Ford's publisher. The CD was $180.00 and it
does not include the PSD it is a separate CD for $75.00.

They are at:

Helm Publications
14310 Hamilton Ave.
Highland Park, MI 48203
800 782-4356
313 865-3418 Local


>From: Dean Baruffi
>To: mr_scsi hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Electrical Schematics.
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:44:53 -0400
>
>Scott,
>
>where did you get the CD? Does it also have the service manuals?
>
>How much did it cost (if you don't mind me asking)?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dean Baruffi
>
>
>At 06:05 AM 9/15/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >I have the CD-ROM. I would not own a vehicle without the info.
> >
> >As specifically what area you are looking for and I'll send you a BMP
>file
> >of that Schematic Diag. of the CD.
> >
> >Scott.
> >
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:00:37 -0400
From: "Douglas Petschow"
Subject: FTE 97up - GMC Sierra

I was reading that article in Car and Driver about GMC vs. Ford. Is it true
that the GMC Sierra's 6.0 liter V8 puts out more horse than Ford's V10? The
article stated that it puts out 25 more horse. If my math is correct would that
not be 335? That seems a little unbelievable. It also says that at full
throttle you would swear that you had an exhaust leak. Anyone on the list
agree/disagree with this?
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:51:14 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - GMC Sierra

For 1999 the GMC had 300hp, and the Ford V10 was rated at 275hp. I believe the V10
is rated at 310hp for 2000.

Douglas Petschow wrote:

> I was reading that article in Car and Driver about GMC vs. Ford. Is it true
> that the GMC Sierra's 6.0 liter V8 puts out more horse than Ford's V10? The
> article stated that it puts out 25 more horse. If my math is correct would that
> not be 335? That seems a little unbelievable. It also says that at full
> throttle you would swear that you had an exhaust leak. Anyone on the list
> agree/disagree with this?
> Thanks
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:01:22 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 4R100 trans filter Q

Where is a good place to locate a filter for 4R100 for 99SD. Who seems to
have a good price?

tia
RS
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:20:24 -0500
From: tvsjr sprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty 60 MPH rumble????

I have a 2K F-250 SD SC 4x2 5.4L 4.10R.A.R., no rumble detected. It handles
right up to the 95mph limiter like a breeze!

Terry

At 08:52 AM 09/15/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>I while back I asked if anyone else was experiencing a rumble/vibration in
>the rear of their Superduty at 50 - 60 mph? Mine happens from 60 - 63
>mph. If you are experiencing this problem, please reply back to me. I
>took the truck into the dealer and they are blaming it on my tires (BFG Mud
>Terrains) I had already swapped back to my stock tires and it is still
>present.
>
>
>Mike Strukel
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:34:52 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty 60 MPH rumble????

You might want to try to have the wheels rebalanced ! At a different shop?
Gene

tvsjr sprynet.com wrote:

> I have a 2K F-250 SD SC 4x2 5.4L 4.10R.A.R., no rumble detected. It handles
> right up to the 95mph limiter like a breeze!
>
> Terry
>
> At 08:52 AM 09/15/1999 -0500, you wrote:
> >I while back I asked if anyone else was experiencing a rumble/vibration in
> >the rear of their Superduty at 50 - 60 mph? Mine happens from 60 - 63
> >mph. If you are experiencing this problem, please reply back to me. I
> >took the truck into the dealer and they are blaming it on my tires (BFG Mud
> >Terrains) I had already swapped back to my stock tires and it is still
> >present.
> >
> >
> >Mike Strukel
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:39:39 -0400
From: "Gilbert D. Warren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty 60 MPH rumble????

Have your tires checked for roundness. Sometimes with hard braking they will get
flat spots.

Gene Ball wrote:

> You might want to try to have the wheels rebalanced ! At a different shop?
> Gene
>
> tvsjr sprynet.com wrote:
>
> > I have a 2K F-250 SD SC 4x2 5.4L 4.10R.A.R., no rumble detected. It handles
> > right up to the 95mph limiter like a breeze!
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > At 08:52 AM 09/15/1999 -0500, you wrote:
> > >I while back I asked if anyone else was experiencing a rumble/vibration in
> > >the rear of their Superduty at 50 - 60 mph? Mine happens from 60 - 63
> > >mph. If you are experiencing this problem, please reply back to me. I
> > >took the truck into the dealer and they are blaming it on my tires (BFG Mud
> > >Terrains) I had already swapped back to my stock tires and it is still
> > >present.
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike Strukel
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:52:21 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Roof Leak, 97 F150 SC

Yep, I've seen the problem and posted about it ad nauseum. Actually, this
is a rear window leak, not a roof leak. This is the first time I've heard
of it with anything other than '98's, though. My dealer told me the sliders
in the '98's (the whole glass unit, not the sliding portion itself) have a
design flaw. They have a seam in the window's frame, about 8 - 10" from the
center of the top of the window. Over time, as the whole window flexes
along with the rest of the body, the seam breaks - and then there is no
repair for it, including re-sealing it. If your truck was a "late '97",
perhaps you got one of the defective units as well. My dealer told me that
'97's and 99's haven't been a problem, but they're replacing the sliders in
'98's at the rate of several per week. They replaced mine, although I had
to wait virtually the whole summer for the new unit to arrive - due to the
high demand for these replacements, which are of a new design without the
seam.

I first noticed it when I went through the car wash, and just happened to
turn around to look out the back - and saw almost a steady stream dripping
off the rear edge of the headliner.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering our veterans.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Norm Hurst
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:53 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Roof Leak, 97 F150 SC


> Anyone had this one? I got in my truck the other morning after a heavy
> rainfall and saw water dripping down from the headliner onto the back
seat,
> at a point in line with the right edge of the sliding rear window.
>
> My truck is still in warranty, so I plan to have this fixed. I also have
> "the crack", and I plan to have that repaired as well. I am very thankful
> for this group -- I never would have seen that crack before the warranty
> ran out!
>
> -Norm
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:08:55 EDT
From: "Joe Scott"
Subject: FTE 97up - 98 Windstar dashboard trim question

Greetings to all in the land of the blue oval!
My wife and I recently bought a used 98 Windstar. It seem to have a rather
complete options package, but we didn't get the owners manual or any of the
other books that ordinarily come with them. The books are on backorder and
won't be available for six weeks yet.
I have figured out just about everything, but I am having a hard time with a
3/4X5 inch slot that is located just above the vent outlets in the middle of
the dashboard. It has what appears to be a factory installed plate sealing
it up.
Anybody got a clue?

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:13:21 -0600
From: "Gary Edwards"
Subject: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?

I had a question about bug shields (as I wait for my 2000 SD F-250)...
I've seen some nice ones on 99 units I've seen around my area, what is the
recommended brand name? Also, the ones I have seen are very form fittings,
how do you wash underneath them to remove dirt and grime?

On my current truck, I had installed a bug shield in '83 or '84 which
actually had to be screwed into the metal of the hood... these screw holes
have developed rust. What would be a good compound to put on the screws or
drill holes to prevent this from happening to my new truck? Thanks for any
info :)


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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:18:33 EDT
From: Logerman aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?

Buy the ford one. Wasn't any more expensive than the other brand, dont have
to drill any other holes
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:09:57 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?

I got a Lund Interceptor. It attaches underneath the hood, and stands off the
hood for easy cleaning.

Gary Edwards wrote:

> I had a question about bug shields (as I wait for my 2000 SD F-250)...
> I've seen some nice ones on 99 units I've seen around my area, what is the
> recommended brand name? Also, the ones I have seen are very form fittings,
> how do you wash underneath them to remove dirt and grime?
>
> On my current truck, I had installed a bug shield in '83 or '84 which
> actually had to be screwed into the metal of the hood... these screw holes
> have developed rust. What would be a good compound to put on the screws or
> drill holes to prevent this from happening to my new truck? Thanks for any
> info :)
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:22:59 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?

In a message dated 99-09-16 00:15:49 EDT, you write:


i like my Ford one, its made by lund or some one probably. I didnt get bent
over either.

RS

Date: 99-09-16 00:15:49 EDT
From: milehigh3 home.com (Gary Edwards)
Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
Reply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com

I had a question about bug shields (as I wait for my 2000 SD F-250)...
I've seen some nice ones on 99 units I've seen around my area, what is the
recommended brand name? Also, the ones I have seen are very form fittings,
how do you wash underneath them to remove dirt and grime?

On my current truck, I had installed a bug shield in '83 or '84 which
actually had to be screwed into the metal of the hood... these screw holes
have developed rust. What would be a good compound to put on the screws or
drill holes to prevent this from happening to my new truck? Thanks for any
info :)


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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:34:03 -0400
From: "Gilbert D. Warren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug Shields?

I bought my bug shield right from the ford accessory catalog for 99 250 sd. it
is pretty nice and works fine. Had to drill holes but it was complete. The ford....


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