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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Tires
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
FTE 97up - Electrical schematics
Re: FTE 97up - Tires
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up -Cracked door Sheetmetal
FTE 97up - Cracked door Sheetmetal / photo
Re: FTE 97up - Tires
Re: FTE 97up - Tires
Re: FTE 97up - 97up -Rust on Chrome & Cracked door Sheet metal
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
FTE 97up - Trim Messages
Re: FTE 97up - 97up -Rust on Chrome & Cracked door Sheet metal
FTE 97up - Extended Service Plans
FTE 97up - Air Suspension for an F-550
FTE 97up - Vehicle jacking point
FTE 97up - Underhood insulator?
Re: FTE 97up - Extended Service Plans
FTE 97up - Week 37 Allocation Report

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:00:29 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tires

http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1999_f350_4.html

Here's a truck with 295/75 BFGs. I think the owner said it wasn't lifted.

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> might i ask what size you are using on the BFGs?
>
> On a side note today i could not get an alignment for the first time because
> a 142"wb would not fit the rack, it was too long....i never had a problem
> with my 89 4x4 F150 but who knows i never used these guys before. jezz! I
> did get rotate and balance on my 265/75 Steeltex Atx's they moron that was
> doing it said they were only out .50 or so.
>
> RS
>
>
> Date: 99-09-14 11:51:27 EDT
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> I have the BFG all terrains, look awesome! Ride good, not much noise. Great
> traction too, can't spin tires at all now unless I powerbreak.
>
> Jeff
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:07:11 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

But it does eliminate pushrods, and possibly lifters.

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 99-09-14 13:35:43 EDT, you write:
>
> in other words....too many parts!
>
> RS
>
> The chain drives two sprockets on each head. Intake cam
> sprocket and exhaust cam sprocket. They are side by side.
> Go look at a Jap DOHC motor and you will notice the bulge in
> the front where the two sprockets are. Another popular
> method is to have the front chain drive only one cam and the
> back ends of both cams are fitted with sprockets and a
> chain.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:09:21 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: FTE 97up - Electrical schematics

Anyone know of any web resources for electrical schematics for a 1999
Super Duty? It's too new for a Haynes manual, and I don't want to pay
$125 for a factory service manual.

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:52:44 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tires

Correct. It's not lifted. He runs 16x8 Weld wheels. It's a 99.5
F350 4x4 with a PSD.
On full lock, there is a slight rubbing on the inside of the plastic
fenderwells. Using some tie-wraps would fix the issue. Even
when he has his 3000 lb lance 820 on it.

The tires are BFG All terrains.

Stan Wright wrote:

> http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1999_f350_4.html
>
> Here's a truck with 295/75 BFGs. I think the owner said it wasn't lifted.
>
> RSnovi aol.com wrote:
>
> > might i ask what size you are using on the BFGs?
> >
> > On a side note today i could not get an alignment for the first time because
> > a 142"wb would not fit the rack, it was too long....i never had a problem
> > with my 89 4x4 F150 but who knows i never used these guys before. jezz! I
> > did get rotate and balance on my 265/75 Steeltex Atx's they moron that was
> > doing it said they were only out .50 or so.
> >
> > RS
> >
> >
> > Date: 99-09-14 11:51:27 EDT
> > From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
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> > I have the BFG all terrains, look awesome! Ride good, not much noise. Great
> > traction too, can't spin tires at all now unless I powerbreak.
> >
> > Jeff
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:17:58 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up -Cracked door Sheetmetal

>
> Ken,
>
> Think back to the lug nuts. Ford finally got around to
> recalling all the affected trucks. I remember back on
> another list in 1997 when the first person complained about
> loosing a wheel and the impending law suit. Ford will get
> around to fixing the problem. Ford knows about the problem,
> refer to the Special service message (ssm 12071 )that Nathan
> posted. Ford is working on a fix. It will be dealt with.
> I hate to say this but give the info to Blue Oval News and
> let them run with it.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier

I remember the lug nuts. However, the key difference is
that the lug nuts are a safety issue whereas the door
crack is a cosmetic/quality issue. I truly hope Ford fixes
it but I also think one hell of a stink is going to have
to be raised before they budge.

Concerning BON, I won't give them anything, I don't have
much respect for them and Robert's "journalism". There's
plenty of traffic here to bring the issue to light (our
traffic is higher than BON's) -- the point is to do it
professionally.

If someone can take photos, I can write up an editorial
article about it and put it on the site. Just don't expect
me to scream for Ford's head or solicit for internal
documents! :-)

Ken
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:32:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: FTE 97up - Cracked door Sheetmetal / photo

As I said before if I could get my hand on a photo, I could represent it to a Ford rep.
and see what he say's. Some times a picture is worth a thousand word.


> If someone can take photos, I can write up an editorial
> article about it and put it on the site. Just don't expect
> me to scream for Ford's head or solicit for internal
> documents! :-)
>

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:49:09 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tires

Since I have 17" and you have 16" you probably wouldn't get my size. Anyway I
have 265/70/17, got them from NTB for 155 a tire and took 5 days to get them
in.

Jeff
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:52:48 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tires

Of course he has 295's, he has an F-350! You can get much larger tires on
those than you can an F-150. On a 150 you can get 285's or 33's any bigger
and you would need to lift.

Jeff
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:15:03 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97up -Rust on Chrome & Cracked door Sheet metal

Christian Bagley wrote:
>
> Sorry for the double post on the door crack thing. I do have a question for
> everyone though. What can I do to get some pretty hefty rust off of my
> chrome brush guard? Thanks
>
> Chris
>

Chris,

I use a product called CLR and a bit of elbow grease. The
nice thing about it is you can rinse it off with water.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:23:52 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

RSnovi aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 99-09-14 13:35:43 EDT, you write:
>
> in other words....too many parts!
>
> RS
>
> The chain drives two sprockets on each head. Intake cam
> sprocket and exhaust cam sprocket. They are side by side.
> Go look at a Jap DOHC motor and you will notice the bulge in
> the front where the two sprockets are. Another popular
> method is to have the front chain drive only one cam and the
> back ends of both cams are fitted with sprockets and a
> chain.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
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RS,

The trade off in friction to power produced in having 4
valves per cylinder is worth it. IMHO.

Regards

Jean Marc Chariter
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:25:53 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 97up - Trim Messages

No criticism meant of anyone. Don't want to start any finger pointing or
flame wars. Would just make easier reading for everyone if we would all
think about trimming messages instead of just hitting 'reply to'. Thanks.

stoney

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:37:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Keith R. Jarvis"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97up -Rust on Chrome & Cracked door Sheet metal

>
> Christian Bagley wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the double post on the door crack thing. I do have a question for
> > everyone though. What can I do to get some pretty hefty rust off of my
> > chrome brush guard? Thanks
>
> Chris,
>
> I use a product called CLR and a bit of elbow grease. The
> nice thing about it is you can rinse it off with water.
>

Naval jelly can work wonders as well

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:59:51 -0700
From: "ron"
Subject: FTE 97up - Extended Service Plans

97up-list-digest V2 #247

To ESP or Not to ESP, that is the question. Guess the Bard would not =
appreciate the lyric but I'm sure interested in the subject. New 99 =
F150 4x4 SC LB and wondering if it will self-destruct after the warranty =
runs out. Seems everyone has an ESP that is touted as better than =
everyone else's - including Ford's. Not having owned a new vehicle =
since 1974 I'm not too smart on ESP's - or believing the adverts. =20

Nathan, what do you recommend?

Ford owners, how about those of you who have them or took a pass on one? =
Any regrets? What would you recommend?

TIA, and thanks for everyone's great inputs on this NG - I've learned =
quite a lot just by lurking. =20

Ron Miller

ronald.miller worldnet.att.net



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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:16:44 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Air Suspension for an F-550

Forwarded for: "Jerry Adcock"


I've just ordered a 2K 550 to pull a fifth wheel RV (the 550 is the only
one rated to pull 19,000 - 20,000 pounds when Ford increases its rating
this year as the April "Trailer Life" magazine reported that they're
doing). I ordered it through Centurion to get the 350 bed and an upgraded
interior. (Centurion puts a spacer between the cab and the bed, and
shortens the frame rails by 4 inches on the back end. They then move the
gas tank forward.)

My question is regarding the availability of an air suspension system for
the truck. In my case, I don't need the weight-carrying capability of a
550, just the towing capability. I test drove a stock 550 and it rides
REALLY hard with no weight on it (and I'll drive it more empty than
loaded). Another modification company, Fontaine, replaces the entire rear
suspension with torsion bars and heavy duty air bags, which they say does
not reduce the capabilities of the truck at all but makes the ride MUCH
better. However, Fontaine won't sell the air suspension system except
through their own modification orders so that won't work. Does anyone know
of an air suspension system for the 450/550? Is there a company in the
Northern Virginia area that does the work?




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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:31:57 -0700
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 97up - Vehicle jacking point

Hello,

Need to do a tire rotation on my 1998 F-150, 2wd, auto trans. What is
the proper location to position a floor jack to raise the front of the
truck. Also, where's a good place to put a couple jackstands for the
front.

Kindof a simple question, but I thought I'd ask before messing up
anything...

Thank you,
Jon


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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:03:26 -0700
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 97up - Underhood insulator?

Hello,
I've seen some trucks with a single thin "foam type" black insulation
piece that lines the underside of the hood. I don't have this on my 1998
F150.

What exactly does this piece do and might it be something good to have?

Thanks,
Jon

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:35:22 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Extended Service Plans

You might try looking at these guys.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.warrantygold.com/


ron wrote:

> To ESP or Not to ESP

[snip]

>
>
> Ron Miller
>
> ronald.miller worldnet.att.net

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:49:31 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: FTE 97up - Week 37 Allocation Report

The formatting is a bit screwed up and I do not know what figures the
"restrictions" and the "suggestions" columns should contain. But, at least
you can see some figures. Whatever info this provides to you is to be taken
for what it is; merely just info. I basically can't figure it out either,
but, I just wanted to post it. It DID come from a Ford web site. If you
want something more concrete call (714) 939-3582. That's the "commodity
hotline" in So. Calif. Sorry, but, that's where I am.


************** COMMODITIES ALERT ***************

PLEASE DELIVER IMMEDIATELY TO SALES/INVENTORY MANAGERS

WEEK 37 FOR 9/16/99


This information covers week 37 allocation, Thursday, September 16TH.


Allocation Week Scheduling Period Orders
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