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In this issue:

FTE 97up - engine question???
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
Re: FTE 97up - Excursion!
Re: FTE 97up - Excursion!
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
RE: FTE 97up - Excursion!
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
Re: FTE 97up - Excursion!
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
RE: FTE 97up - engine question???
FTE 97up - F250 vs GMC review.
FTE 97up - Interesting VIN check...
FTE 97up - Tires
Re: FTE 97up - engine question???
Re: FTE 97up - Tires
Re: FTE 97up - F250 vs GMC review.
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - F250 vs GMC review.
Re: FTE 97up - Tires
FTE 97up - F250 with V10
Re: FTE 97up - F250 with V10
Re: FTE 97up - F250 with V10

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:14:24 EDT
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - engine question???

ok, pardon me for being ignorant. dohc and sohc, i know what they mean, but
how are they set up? my truck 99 f-150 sc sb 4.6L v-8. does a dohc
engine have two cams over each head, is that what is means? i thought dohc
meant one cam over each head, two heads, two cams.
i think i'm wrong though.
any help is appreciated

thanks Bill
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:57 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal

Darin Sipe wrote:
>
> For those of us who are trying to spread the word about this problem, I
> have posted the situation on deja.com, a consumer web site.

Actually, deja.com, formerly dejanews.com, is a web interface
into newsgroups feeds. You'll find it much easier to use Agent
or Netscape news to access the groups (you can see all 40,000+
English newsgroups that way).

>If anyone
> in this listing is a member of Consumer Reports (on line) it is a good
> idea to post it there as well. Please let me know if anyone is already
> a member, and is willing to do this. If I do not get a response in the
> next couple of days, I will get a membership and post it.
>
> Keep spreading the word about this problem. It may be the only chance
> those of us who are out of warranty have in getting this resolved.
>
> I have even considered making up small cards and passing them out to
> F150 owners on the street, describing the problem, Ford's solution, and
> the number to NHTSA for owner's beyond the 3/36.
>
> Ain't this a pain in the a**?
>
> Darin

There can be a major push by consumers but unfortunately Ford
has tons of precedent for NOT fixing the problem because it is
not a safety issue. This problem is no different than Toyotas
rusting out early, rust eating through on the bottom of doors
because a design allows leaves to collect or Cadillacs that
have the back plastic bust out in the back where the chrome
bumper is.

I'm afraid that this will be an uphill battle that probably
won't be won, although I am willing to help out with the web
site by posting an article about it.

Ken Payne
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal

Did anyone take a picture of the crack?


> > For those of us who are trying to spread the word about this problem, I
> > have posted the situation on deja.com, a consumer web site.
>
> Actually, deja.com, formerly dejanews.com, is a web interface
> into newsgroups feeds. You'll find it much easier to use Agent
> or Netscape news to access the groups (you can see all 40,000+
> English newsgroups that way).
>
> >If anyone
> > in this listing is a member of Consumer Reports (on line) it is a good
> > idea to post it there as well. Please let me know if anyone is already
> > a member, and is willing to do this. If I do not get a response in the
> > next couple of days, I will get a membership and post it.
> >
> > Keep spreading the word about this problem. It may be the only chance
> > those of us who are out of warranty have in getting this resolved.
> >
> > I have even considered making up small cards and passing them out to
> > F150 owners on the street, describing the problem, Ford's solution, and
> > the number to NHTSA for owner's beyond the 3/36.
> >
> > Ain't this a pain in the a**?
> >
> > Darin
> There can be a major push by consumers but unfortunately Ford
> has tons of precedent for NOT fixing the problem because it is
> not a safety issue. This problem is no different than Toyotas
> rusting out early, rust eating through on the bottom of doors
> because a design allows leaves to collect or Cadillacs that
> have the back plastic bust out in the back where the chrome
> bumper is.

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:21:38 EDT
From: RiTruckGuy aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal

In a message dated 9/13/1999 9:55:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
f150_97 yahoo.com writes:

> Darin
> There can be a major push by consumers but unfortunately Ford
> has tons of precedent for NOT fixing the problem because it is
> not a safety issue. This problem is no different than Toyotas
> rusting out early, rust eating through on the bottom of doors
> because a design allows leaves to collect or Cadillacs that
> have the back plastic bust out in the back where the chrome
> bumper is.
>>


What you say is true, but the one way to get Ford's attention is to try to
hit them harder in the pocketbook than fixing the problem would. Bringing as
much attention to this problem, as well as putting the focus on Ford's
refusal to make good on what is looking like an obvious design flaw, can only
help to discourage people from buying Ford's product. There'e got to be more
profit in selling a whole truck than fixing a couple of doors. As a
consumer, once a company loses me, they lose me forever (just ask at&t). If
Ford fails to make good on this problem, I'll never buy another one of their
products. And, I'll discourage everyone I know from buying one. I realize
that alone, I'm not a pimple on Ford's rear end, but if a lot of us unite,
its going to hurt them (not to mention giving Dodge and GM a field day in
publicity).

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:01 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

In a message dated 99-09-13 08:16:33 EDT, you write:

SOHC= 2 cams , DOHC = 4 cams


RS


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ok, pardon me for being ignorant. dohc and sohc, i know what they mean, but
how are they set up? my truck 99 f-150 sc sb 4.6L v-8. does a dohc
engine have two cams over each head, is that what is means? i thought dohc
meant one cam over each head, two heads, two cams.
i think i'm wrong though.
any help is appreciated

thanks Bill
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:13:11 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

TRITON46L aol.com wrote:
>
> ok, pardon me for being ignorant. dohc and sohc, i know what they mean, but
> how are they set up? my truck 99 f-150 sc sb 4.6L v-8. does a dohc
> engine have two cams over each head, is that what is means? i thought dohc
> meant one cam over each head, two heads, two cams.
> i think i'm wrong though.
> any help is appreciated
>
> thanks Bill
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Bill,

DOHC/SOHC refers to one head at a time. Your 4.6 is a
SOHC. The Cobra is a DOHC.

Regards

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:29:07 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

Does this mean that the Cobra 4.6L engine has 4 valves per cylinder?

- -Dean Baruffi


At 12:13 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
>TRITON46L aol.com wrote:
>>
>> ok, pardon me for being ignorant. dohc and sohc, i know what they mean,
but
>> how are they set up? my truck 99 f-150 sc sb 4.6L v-8. does a dohc
>> engine have two cams over each head, is that what is means? i thought dohc
>> meant one cam over each head, two heads, two cams.
>> i think i'm wrong though.
>> any help is appreciated
>>
>> thanks Bill
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>Bill,
>
> DOHC/SOHC refers to one head at a time. Your 4.6 is a
>SOHC. The Cobra is a DOHC.
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:49:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion!

>
> Just got my first glimpse of an Excursion today. Walked around it and
> looked under it. Definitely nice and big. Underside is just like my F-350
> SuperDuty, with the exception of the Front Springs being a less arched (the
> Excursions are flat or slightly negative!). The vehicle sits nice and does
> not look out of proportion like some other large vehicles do (e.g., the
> Suburban looks somewhat like a long "tube"). The rear trailer hitch is
> massive, the square black frame looks to be almost 4" per side, (instead of
> 3" or so). This vehicle will no doubt sell out quickly. Of course, if I
> wanted one I would take the lesson learned watching the Expedition's
> roll-out and purchase new in second production year.
>
> Keith

I like the looks of them as well. They had a white one at Covert Ford in
Austin, and it looks quite nice.

I do wish they had either the V10 or the PSD as the base engine, as the
5.4L isn't really enough for it, IMHO.

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:10:02 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion!

In a message dated 99-09-13 13:52:16 EDT, you write:


some want a slight bit of gas mileage, lol :)

RS

I like the looks of them as well. They had a white one at Covert Ford in
Austin, and it looks quite nice.

I do wish they had either the V10 or the PSD as the base engine, as the
5.4L isn't really enough for it, IMHO.
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:10:02 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

In a message dated 99-09-13 13:35:52 EDT, you write:


correct

RS

Date: 99-09-13 13:35:52 EDT
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Does this mean that the Cobra 4.6L engine has 4 valves per cylinder?

-Dean Baruffi


At 12:13 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
>TRITON46L aol.com wrote:
>>
>> ok, pardon me for being ignorant. dohc and sohc, i know what they mean,
but
>> how are they set up? my truck 99 f-150 sc sb 4.6L v-8. does a
dohc
>> engine have two cams over each head, is that what is means? i thought
dohc
>> meant one cam over each head, two heads, two cams.
>> i think i'm wrong though.
>> any help is appreciated
>>
>> thanks Bill
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>Bill,
>
> DOHC/SOHC refers to one head at a time. Your 4.6 is a
>SOHC. The Cobra is a DOHC.
>
>Regards
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:04:52 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Excursion!

Doug, I saw that same Excursion at Covert. They had a really nice red one
floating around somewhere. But, it's probably gone by now.

Oh, and Keith, instead of "Walked around it and looked under it.", don't
you mean; Walked around in it and under it! :)

Joe
Austin, TX

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion!

>
> Just got my first glimpse of an Excursion today. Walked around it and
> looked under it. Definitely nice and big. Underside is just like my
F-350
> SuperDuty, with the exception of the Front Springs being a less arched
(the
> Excursions are flat or slightly negative!). The vehicle sits nice and
does
> not look out of proportion like some other large vehicles do (e.g., the
> Suburban looks somewhat like a long "tube"). The rear trailer hitch is
> massive, the square black frame looks to be almost 4" per side, (instead
of
> 3" or so). This vehicle will no doubt sell out quickly. Of course, if I
> wanted one I would take the lesson learned watching the Expedition's
> roll-out and purchase new in second production year.
>
> Keith

I like the looks of them as well. They had a white one at Covert Ford in
Austin, and it looks quite nice.

I do wish they had either the V10 or the PSD as the base engine, as the
5.4L isn't really enough for it, IMHO.

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:22:51 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

Dean Baruffi wrote:
>
> Does this mean that the Cobra 4.6L engine has 4 valves per cylinder?
>
> -Dean Baruffi
>
Dean,

That is correct.

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:49:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion!

>
> Doug, I saw that same Excursion at Covert. They had a really nice red one
> floating around somewhere. But, it's probably gone by now.
>
> Oh, and Keith, instead of "Walked around it and looked under it.", don't
> you mean; Walked around in it and under it! :)
>
> Joe
> Austin, TX

What would be nice is if some aftermarket company could come up with packages
for it, like what I have seen S*burbans get around here (and show in
Car and Driver). 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. I don't know how one could get
8000 pounds to go that quick, though.

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:54:39 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

Ok, now for the real brain teaser:

I assume the block for the 4.6L Cobra and 4.6L truck are different, but
will the Cobra heads (and valve train) fit on the 4.6L truck engine? If
so, since the 4.6L and 5.4L have similar blocks, will the Cobra heads fit
on the 5.4L block?

I would love to put these heads on my 2000 F-150 5.4L or the Navigators 4V
heads. Any comments?


- -Dean Baruffi





At 03:22 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Dean Baruffi wrote:
>>
>> Does this mean that the Cobra 4.6L engine has 4 valves per cylinder?
>>
>> -Dean Baruffi
>>
>Dean,
>
> That is correct.
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:12:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

>
> Ok, now for the real brain teaser:
>
> I assume the block for the 4.6L Cobra and 4.6L truck are different, but
> will the Cobra heads (and valve train) fit on the 4.6L truck engine? If
> so, since the 4.6L and 5.4L have similar blocks, will the Cobra heads fit
> on the 5.4L block?
>
> I would love to put these heads on my 2000 F-150 5.4L or the Navigators 4V
> heads. Any comments?
>
>
> -Dean Baruffi

Now that's a puzzler. I have heard that the 5.4 is a stroked 4.6L, but
I have heard otherwise in different places. If that is possible, that would
rock.

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:44:35 -0400
From: "djd"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - engine question???

DOHC and SOHC refer to the number of camshafts per cylinder bank.

Don Detloff
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Fair Haven, MI 48023-0254
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ok, pardon me for being ignorant. dohc and sohc, i know what they mean, but
how are they set up? my truck 99 f-150 sc sb 4.6L v-8. does a dohc
engine have two cams over each head, is that what is means? i thought dohc
meant one cam over each head, two heads, two cams.
i think i'm wrong though.
any help is appreciated

thanks Bill
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:31:33 EDT
From: PaulinMO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - F250 vs GMC review.

Car and Driver compared the F250 SD V10 to the GMC Sierra 2500...... and gave
the nod to the GMC in a number of areas. As I am just days away from placing
an order for a F250 SD, I am interested in members' opinions of the
comparison.

HREF="http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.caranddriver.com/FrameSet/0,1350,_sl_NewArticle_sl_0_cm_1633_
cm_1670_1_16_cm_00,00.html">Car And Driver Online
Yes, I know these evaluations can be biased etc., but what about the specific
issues they raise? Are they offset by things they didn't discuss, like
engines, tranny, etc.?

Inquiring minds (especially those with a new truck order on the horizon) want
to know.
Paul
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:32:36 -0500
From: "David Moore"
Subject: FTE 97up - Interesting VIN check...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://autos.yahoo.com/carfax.html

Though I might post this up here - you punch in your VIN and it
tells you the model/year/make/build/engine and if the car is a
"lemon" mfg by-back.

David

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:45:17 EDT
From: PaulinMO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Tires

I'm trying to sort out the tire options on the F250SD lariat 4x4. Frankly, my
knowledge of tires is largely limited to knowing they are round :-/

The choices are: (with dealer cost from edmunds)
1) LT235/85R16E BSW (Standard)
2) LT235/85R16E All terrain BSW ($107)
3) LT235/85R16E All terrain OWL ($217)
4) LT265/75R16E OWL ($267)
5) LT265/75R16E All terrain OWL ($370)

Ok, so what exactly does one get for the difference in cost here? I am not
looking for anything fancy, and the only offroading I will be doing is
hauling wood from the back 40, slugging through mud at farm auctions, etc. Is
it better to just get the standard tires and plan on upgrading when they wear
out (to what?), or are the more expensive options worth ordering with the
truck?


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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:58:13 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine question???

two different animals, you are speaking DOHC and SOHC, 2 valve and 4v. 5.4
is a SOHC, yes it is a stroked 4.6 SOHC, but it is still a dog. Higher rpm
is the only way to get some decent hp.

RS


>
> Ok, now for the real brain teaser:
>
> I assume the block for the 4.6L Cobra and 4.6L truck are different, but
> will the Cobra heads (and valve train) fit on the 4.6L truck engine? If
> so, since the 4.6L and 5.4L have similar blocks, will the Cobra heads fit
> on the 5.4L block?
>
> I would love to put these heads on my 2000 F-150 5.4L or the Navigators 4V
> heads. Any comments?
>
>
> -Dean Baruffi

Now that's a puzzler. I have heard that the 5.4 is a stroked 4.6L, but
I have heard otherwise in different places. If that is possible, that would
rock.

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:07:07 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tires

Hi Paul,

My opinion is take the standard tire and save some money.
You said it yourself, you don't have any special tire needs.
If you do want a better tire, it might be better to do a tradeoff
at the tire store to get exactly what you'd like, with an eye
toward speedometer calibration issues.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 9/13/99 7:48:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, PaulinMO aol.com
writes:

> I'm trying to sort out the tire options on the F250SD lariat 4x4. Frankly,
my
>
> knowledge of tires is largely limited to knowing they are round :-/
>
> The choices are: (with dealer cost from edmunds)
> 1) LT235/85R16E BSW (Standard)
> 2) LT235/85R16E All terrain BSW ($107)
> 3) LT235/85R16E All terrain OWL ($217)
> 4) LT265/75R16E OWL ($267)
> 5) LT265/75R16E All terrain OWL ($370)
>
> Ok, so what exactly does one get for the difference in cost here? I am not
> looking for anything fancy, and the only offroading I will be doing is
> hauling wood from the back 40, slugging through mud at farm auctions, etc.
> Is
> it better to just get the standard tires and plan on upgrading when they
> wear
> out (to what?), or are the more expensive options worth ordering with the
> truck?
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:10:05 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250 vs GMC review.

Hi Paul,

Just one more opinion for you, when was the last time the new
car or truck lost one of these contests? I wouldn't pay them
much attention.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 9/13/99 7:34:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, PaulinMO aol.com
writes:

> Car and Driver compared the F250 SD V10 to the GMC Sierra 2500...... and
gave
>
> the nod to the GMC in a number of areas. As I am just days away from
placing
>
> an order for a F250 SD, I am interested in members' opinions of the
> comparison.
>
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> Yes, I know these evaluations can be biased etc., but what about the
> specific
> issues they raise? Are they offset by things they didn't discuss, like
> engines, tranny, etc.?
>
> Inquiring minds (especially those with a new truck order on the horizon)
> want
> to know.
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:24:37 -0400
From: "Freddy Favela"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal

ok thanks! I will check then I will post my findings.
- -----Original Message-----
From: pennhead
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal


>Not yet, anyway. If you closely examine a 97 or 98 model, comparing it
with
>your 99, there appears to be a subtle difference in the sheet metal at the
>lower rear corner of the side windows. Perhaps a more pronounced flange?
>The window (or molding) appears to sit farther into the sheet metal...
>hmmm... Is it just my imagination, or have others noticed this? Perhaps
>Ford was aware of this flaw, and have taken care of the problem?
>
>Guys, check your 99's, and compare them with earlier models if you can.
>
>Regards,
>Penn
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 9:18 PM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal
>
>
>Does this Crack on the door affect the new 99 models??
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 12:52 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal
>
>
>>yep... your in the right place. the crack will form right at the top of
>>the curved molding where it enters the inside cavity of the door. i read
>>the NHTSA complaints database (took about an hour!) and saw 2 reports of
>>this, one as early as may 15 1998... both reports were in 1998...
>>certainly isolated cases back then, but look now.
>>
>>rob in PA
>>
>>"Owens, Robbie A" wrote:
>>>
>>> I just went outside and put the windows completely down. Pulled the
>weather
>>> stripping off of the frame on the drivers and passengers side window,
and
>>> looked at the top back side corner and found nothing on either side all
>the
>>> way down to the bottom corner just above the door handle. I'm looking
in
>>> the right place right?
>>> Rob Owens
>>> Boeing Aerospace Operations
>>> Buyer
>>> Navy E-6 Program
>>> 405-739-1953
>>>
>>> > ----------
>>> > From: Rob[SMTP:lonewolf-97 home.com]
>>> > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:37 AM
>>> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal
>>> >
>>> > rob... the crack is about 1/4 inch down from the top of the curved
>>> > piece of molding at the rear (not bottom) of the window. to lift the
>>> > molding you have to have the window down! this tightness (when up) and
>>> > looseness when down (the flexing of the sheet metal) is whats causing
>>> > this to happen... i looked at this on mine yesterday, sprayed it with
>>> > wd40 with the straw and painted with touch up paint. it will probably
>>> > crack again. the crack dont bother me as much as the thought of rust
>>> > right there. i saw that this is where the window cutout ends (from
that
>>> > point up the rear of the door is solid) maybe better said from that
>>> > point up the window is outside of the inside of the door. it is a
built
>>> > in, natural hinge point for the flex of the metal. watch it as you put
>>> > your window down and up, boy does it flex. if you do not have the
>>> > problem now - you will if you do not get the proposed stiffener put
in.
>>> > of course that depends on how much you put the windows up and down
when
>>> > it will happen, but it will happen sooner or later. i just hope the
>>> > crack doesnt spread anymore on mine.
>>> >
>>> > rob in PA
>>> >
>>> > "Owens, Robbie A" wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > What are you all using to lift the weather stripping? I just went
>>> > outside
>>> > > to look at mine and I saw nothing outside the weather stripping.
>This
>>> > crack
>>> > > is on the drivers side starting in the bottom corner above the door
>>> > handle
>>> > > right? I tried to lift up the stripping but it is too stiff. How
>did
>>> > you
>>> > > all lift it up?
>>> > > Rob Owens
>>> > > Boeing Aerospace Operations
>>> > > Buyer
>>> > > Navy E-6 Program
>>> > > 405-739-1953
>>> > >
>>> > > > ----------
>>> > > > From: dlsipe webtv.net[SMTP:dlsipe webtv.net]
>>> > > > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 5:36 AM
>>> > > > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>> > > > Subject: FTE 97up - Cracked Door Sheetmetal
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 1. Ken - thanks for posting the survey.
>>> > > > 2. I sent letters to the editors of Truckin and Truck Trend
>magazines
>>> > > > detailing the problems and Ford's lack of response to those beyond
>the
>>> > > > 3/36 warranty.
>>> > > > 3. I strongly suggest that all those who have this problem file a
>>> > > > complaint with the NTHSA. This can be done at dot.gov
>>> > > > 4. Spread the word to fellow 97+ F150 owners. There is strength
>in
>>> > > > numbers!
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:50:59 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250 vs GMC review.

In a message dated 99-09-13 22:34:22 EDT, you write:


probably because the gave truck of yr. to 1500, they think that the 2500 is
just as good. I think they have not done there home work. I good friend
just bought a Z71 1500/ 5.3/ loaded, leather, all the bells and whistles. He
got a good deal and almost paid what i did for a F250SD 4x4 XLT/ PSD/SC.

Yes it does have a kushy ride, but i told him he can have fun fixing CV
joints later. I can also get better mileage towing :).

I looked at them all before i bought. SD hands down.

RS


Date: 99-09-13 22:34:22 EDT
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Car and Driver compared the F250 SD V10 to the GMC Sierra 2500...... and
gave
the nod to the GMC in a number of areas. As I am just days away from placing
an order for a F250 SD, I am interested in members' opinions of the
comparison.

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 cm_1670_1_16_cm_00,00.html">Car And Driver Online
Yes, I know these evaluations can be biased etc., but what about the
specific
issues they raise? Are they offset by things they didn't discuss, like
engines, tranny, etc.?

Inquiring minds (especially those with a new truck order on the horizon)
want
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:51:00 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tires

In a message dated 99-09-13 22:48:02 EDT, you write:


well i have almost 21K on my 265 75 16s ( # 5 i think) they ride great and
seem to be wearing ok. Although some BFG all terrains or mud terrains would
be nicer, i probably will go with them when these wear out. These arent too
bad for stockers. Unless you plan on being in mud and sugar sand alot.

RS

I'm trying to sort out the tire options on the F250SD lariat 4x4. Frankly,
my
knowledge of tires is largely limited to knowing they are round :-/

The choices are: (with dealer cost from edmunds)
1) LT235/85R16E BSW (Standard)
2) LT235/85R16E All terrain BSW ($107)
3) LT235/85R16E All terrain OWL ($217)
4) LT265/75R16E OWL ($267)
5) LT265/75R16E All terrain OWL ($370)

Ok, so what exactly does one get for the difference in cost here? I am not
looking for anything fancy, and the only offroading I will be doing is
hauling wood from the back 40, slugging through mud at farm auctions, etc.
Is
it better to just get the standard tires and plan on upgrading when they
wear
out (to what?), or are the more expensive options worth ordering with the
truck?
>>
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:37:24 -0400
From: wortner us.ibm.com
Subject: FTE 97up - F250 with V10

I am thinking of buying a new F250 Crewcab. I am trying to decide on which
motor.

What is the story with this V10? Is it fairly new and if so does it have a good
reputation?

Any idea of the gas milage that could be expected with the F250 Crewcab 4X2
with the V10 motor?

Feel free to respond to jwbuddy386 yahoo.com.



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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:44:17 EDT
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In a message dated 99-09-14 00:42:20 EDT, you write:


V10 seems to be a good motor, but i just love my 7.3. I have had many a gas
truck, i dont think i will buy gas again.

RS



Date: 99-09-14 00:42:20 EDT
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I am thinking of buying a new F250 Crewcab. I am trying to decide on which
motor.

What is the story with this V10? Is it fairly new and if so does it have a
good
reputation?

Any idea of the gas milage that could be expected with the F250 Crewcab 4X2
with the V10 motor?

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