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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4
FTE 97up - RV information sources..
FTE 97up - Transmission Problems
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems
RE: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
RE: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems
Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4
RE: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4
Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4
FTE 97up - After market Ford SVT Lightning Blower (was Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4)
FTE 97up - Cracked Doors: More bad news
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Doors: More bad news
Re: FTE 97up - After market Ford SVT Lightning Blower (was Performance Questi...
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
FTE 97up - Re:Need a pickup bed
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Survey is online
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Survey is online
Re: FTE 97up - Re:Need a pickup bed

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 05:25:31 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4

I think you can get a 4.30 LS , and thats what I would go with!

Freddy wrote:

> What kind of gear would you choose on a 2000 f250 with 35" tires on it? I
> want performance!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene Ball
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat
> 4x4
>
> > Joe, the more gear you got the more low power you got!
> > I love low end power! The truck is 4X4, if you ever plan on going with a
> taller
> > tire
> > I would get all the gear I could .because the taller tires will kill it
> !!!!!!!
> > To me a little gas is a small price to pay for the performance you gain
> with the
> >
> > high number gears! I would go with 4.10 or higher! Depending on what you
> plan on
> >
> > doing with the tires in the future?
> > Just my 2 cent!
> > Gene
> >
> > jmann living.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I'm preparing to order a 2000 F-150 (5.4 Triton) Lariat 4x4. The great
> > > thing about this is that my brother works for Ford, cha-ching! The
> dealer
> > > I'm working with here in Austin, TX., Covert Ford, has their own, huge,
> > > brand new custom shop. Its called Central Texas Customs.
> > >
> > > The Question(s);
> > >
> > > - I'm looking at a 50 or 70 series Flowmater mufflers. Ultimately I want
> > > better gas mileage and power, but I have to consider my neighbors; my
> garage
> > > is directly under one. Advise??
> > >
> > > - Now for the K&N Air Filter, should I go with the replacement for the
> > > factory airbox, or should I go the whole nine yards, ditch the airbox
> and go
> > > with the K&N Cone setup??
> > >
> > > - How about Mass Airflow Sensors? Good or bad idea? Any recommendations?
> > >
> > > - Big bore throttle bodies??
> > >
> > > - Performance ECUs????
> > >
> > > - And last, but I'm sure not least, Splitfire plugs?
> > >
> > > Basically, I'm looking for the best-bang-for-your-buck bolt-on parts,
> the
> > > goals are gas mileage and power, in that order.
> > >
> > > Oh, and finally, at this point I've built the truck with a 3.55 limited
> slip
> > > diff(LSD), how would the 3.73 LSD affect gas milage.
> > >
> > > And YES, I know gas is cheap!
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance guys!
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:01:05 -0400
From: Rick Waldbart
Subject: FTE 97up - RV information sources..

I got a couple of requests for URL's for RV info...where we use our Ford
trucks. Here are a couple I've found useful.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rvclub.com/home.lasso

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rv.org/

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.escapees.com/

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:20:57 -0500
From: "Owens, Robbie A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems

Has anyone else on the list with the 4.2L Auto tranny had any problems with
their truck shifting really hard into gear from 1st to 2nd? It just slams
into gear like a bang, bang sound as if it missed the gear the first time
and grabbed on the second. It doesn't do it when I'm accelerating normally,
but when I get on it like on on-ramps it happens. It only does it when I'm
putting a load on the throttle. I'm going to make an appointment for this
Friday to take it in and hopefully get it fixed along with getting some new
rotors because mind have gone Kaput!!

Thanks for any input.
Rob Owens
Boeing Aerospace Operations
Buyer
Navy E-6 Program
405-739-1953
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:47:09 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems

Rob,

Do the RPM's go up and then it slams in to gear or does it just feel like a
jolt or almost like getting hit from behind? It may be the slip yoke
binding up. This has happened to my truck and after I grease the slip yoke,
it goes away.

Chris


>From: "Owens, Robbie A"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'F-150 Mailing List'" , "'Ford-Trucks
>list'"
>Subject: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems
>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:20:57 -0500
>
>Has anyone else on the list with the 4.2L Auto tranny had any problems with
>their truck shifting really hard into gear from 1st to 2nd? It just slams
>into gear like a bang, bang sound as if it missed the gear the first time
>and grabbed on the second. It doesn't do it when I'm accelerating
>normally,
>but when I get on it like on on-ramps it happens. It only does it when I'm
>putting a load on the throttle. I'm going to make an appointment for this
>Friday to take it in and hopefully get it fixed along with getting some new
>rotors because mind have gone Kaput!!
>
>Thanks for any input.
>Rob Owens
>Boeing Aerospace Operations
>Buyer
>Navy E-6 Program
>405-739-1953
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:56:39 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

> ----------
> From: dlsipe webtv.net[SMTP:dlsipe webtv.net]
>
> Sure enough, I checked my 97 F150 ext. cab w/p.w. and it has a crack in
> the door. (snip)
>
I just checked my 97 Lariat and can not see any indications of any
cracks. I peeled
back the molding on the rear side and the bottom. It would
be nice to see a survey. I wonder if there is a common
thread to this problem (options, assembly plant etc.).

My truck has 27K on it and is still under warranty.

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:12:53 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems

Rob, you say you need rotors, have you ever had the front wheels off the truck?
I've heard if your wheels are not torque down perfect it may lead to warped
rotors? Just tryin to find out why mine went bad also?
Gene

Owens, Robbie A wrote:

> Has anyone else on the list with the 4.2L Auto tranny had any problems with
> their truck shifting really hard into gear from 1st to 2nd? It just slams
> into gear like a bang, bang sound as if it missed the gear the first time
> and grabbed on the second. It doesn't do it when I'm accelerating normally,
> but when I get on it like on on-ramps it happens. It only does it when I'm
> putting a load on the throttle. I'm going to make an appointment for this
> Friday to take it in and hopefully get it fixed along with getting some new
> rotors because mind have gone Kaput!!
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Rob Owens
> Boeing Aerospace Operations
> Buyer
> Navy E-6 Program
> 405-739-1953
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:18:52 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

- -snip-
> cracks. I peeled
> back the molding on the rear side and the bottom. It would
> be nice to see a survey. I wonder if there is a common
> thread to this problem (options, assembly plant etc.).

Okay, I can take a hint! :-) I'll put a survey up tonight.

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:35:07 -0500
From: "Owens, Robbie A"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems

I bought the truck about 3 months ago used. It's a '98 STX. No I haven't
had the wheels off yet. I've made my appointment to take it in to replace
them and when I do I'll tell them not to over torque them. But you know
what they'll say, "we have color coded lug nut attachments for different
torque settings so we can't go wrong in the torqueing process" What ever!
Nothing is as reliable as a good manual torque wrench. Once I get the truck
home I will loosen the nuts and re-torque them myself so I don't have a
recurring problem. Over torqueing is the leading reason for warping.
Rob Owens
Boeing Aerospace Operations
Buyer
Navy E-6 Program
405-739-1953

> ----------
> From: Gene Ball[SMTP:granvill megsinet.net]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:12 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems
>
> Rob, you say you need rotors, have you ever had the front wheels off the
> truck?
> I've heard if your wheels are not torque down perfect it may lead to
> warped
> rotors? Just tryin to find out why mine went bad also?
> Gene
>
> Owens, Robbie A wrote:
>
> > Has anyone else on the list with the 4.2L Auto tranny had any problems
> with
> > their truck shifting really hard into gear from 1st to 2nd? It just
> slams
> > into gear like a bang, bang sound as if it missed the gear the first
> time
> > and grabbed on the second. It doesn't do it when I'm accelerating
> normally,
> > but when I get on it like on on-ramps it happens. It only does it when
> I'm
> > putting a load on the throttle. I'm going to make an appointment for
> this
> > Friday to take it in and hopefully get it fixed along with getting some
> new
> > rotors because mind have gone Kaput!!
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> > Rob Owens
> > Boeing Aerospace Operations
> > Buyer
> > Navy E-6 Program
> > 405-739-1953
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:17:32 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems

I hear ya, thanks
Gene

Owens, Robbie A wrote:

> I bought the truck about 3 months ago used. It's a '98 STX. No I haven't
> had the wheels off yet. I've made my appointment to take it in to replace
> them and when I do I'll tell them not to over torque them. But you know
> what they'll say, "we have color coded lug nut attachments for different
> torque settings so we can't go wrong in the torqueing process" What ever!
> Nothing is as reliable as a good manual torque wrench. Once I get the truck
> home I will loosen the nuts and re-torque them myself so I don't have a
> recurring problem. Over torqueing is the leading reason for warping.
> Rob Owens
> Boeing Aerospace Operations
> Buyer
> Navy E-6 Program
> 405-739-1953
>
> > ----------
> > From: Gene Ball[SMTP:granvill megsinet.net]
> > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:12 PM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Problems
> >
> > Rob, you say you need rotors, have you ever had the front wheels off the
> > truck?
> > I've heard if your wheels are not torque down perfect it may lead to
> > warped
> > rotors? Just tryin to find out why mine went bad also?
> > Gene
> >
> > Owens, Robbie A wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone else on the list with the 4.2L Auto tranny had any problems
> > with
> > > their truck shifting really hard into gear from 1st to 2nd? It just
> > slams
> > > into gear like a bang, bang sound as if it missed the gear the first
> > time
> > > and grabbed on the second. It doesn't do it when I'm accelerating
> > normally,
> > > but when I get on it like on on-ramps it happens. It only does it when
> > I'm
> > > putting a load on the throttle. I'm going to make an appointment for
> > this
> > > Friday to take it in and hopefully get it fixed along with getting some
> > new
> > > rotors because mind have gone Kaput!!
> > >
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > > Rob Owens
> > > Boeing Aerospace Operations
> > > Buyer
> > > Navy E-6 Program
> > > 405-739-1953
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:00:36 -0400
From: "Gilbert D. Warren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4

I have flowmaster and it is loud as hell. The next system I think I am going to
try is a gibson cat back super truck system. I put a replacement filter and it
seems to be good. If you care you have to be careful about warranty stuff. Have a
SVT dealer here and I have talked to the mechanics and they say for the 5.4 the
lightning blower is the way to go. I trying to save for it it is direct bolt on
according to them and the sooner the better. break it in easy they say

Gene Ball wrote:

> I think you can get a 4.30 LS , and thats what I would go with!
>
> Freddy wrote:
>
> > What kind of gear would you choose on a 2000 f250 with 35" tires on it? I
> > want performance!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gene Ball
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 9:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat
> > 4x4
> >
> > > Joe, the more gear you got the more low power you got!
> > > I love low end power! The truck is 4X4, if you ever plan on going with a
> > taller
> > > tire
> > > I would get all the gear I could .because the taller tires will kill it
> > !!!!!!!
> > > To me a little gas is a small price to pay for the performance you gain
> > with the
> > >
> > > high number gears! I would go with 4.10 or higher! Depending on what you
> > plan on
> > >
> > > doing with the tires in the future?
> > > Just my 2 cent!
> > > Gene
> > >
> > > jmann living.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm preparing to order a 2000 F-150 (5.4 Triton) Lariat 4x4. The great
> > > > thing about this is that my brother works for Ford, cha-ching! The
> > dealer
> > > > I'm working with here in Austin, TX., Covert Ford, has their own, huge,
> > > > brand new custom shop. Its called Central Texas Customs.
> > > >
> > > > The Question(s);
> > > >
> > > > - I'm looking at a 50 or 70 series Flowmater mufflers. Ultimately I want
> > > > better gas mileage and power, but I have to consider my neighbors; my
> > garage
> > > > is directly under one. Advise??
> > > >
> > > > - Now for the K&N Air Filter, should I go with the replacement for the
> > > > factory airbox, or should I go the whole nine yards, ditch the airbox
> > and go
> > > > with the K&N Cone setup??
> > > >
> > > > - How about Mass Airflow Sensors? Good or bad idea? Any recommendations?
> > > >
> > > > - Big bore throttle bodies??
> > > >
> > > > - Performance ECUs????
> > > >
> > > > - And last, but I'm sure not least, Splitfire plugs?
> > > >
> > > > Basically, I'm looking for the best-bang-for-your-buck bolt-on parts,
> > the
> > > > goals are gas mileage and power, in that order.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and finally, at this point I've built the truck with a 3.55 limited
> > slip
> > > > diff(LSD), how would the 3.73 LSD affect gas milage.
> > > >
> > > > And YES, I know gas is cheap!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance guys!
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:17:56 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4

> Have a
> SVT dealer here and I have talked to the mechanics and they say for the
> 5.4 the
> lightning blower is the way to go. I trying to save for it it is direct
> bolt on
> according to them and the sooner the better. break it in easy they say
>
>
I read that the 5.4 blown engines have stronger wrist pins
as well as forged pistons. (In the lightning)

Steve

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:26:01 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4

Gilbert,

Which Flowmaster muffler do you currently have? 40series, 50 series...???

I don't think the SVT lightning is a "direct bolt on". I know that the
compression ratio on the lightning is much lower than the standard 5.4L
(like 8.0 to 1 I think) so they can run a higher boost. You would have to
alter the computer to take into account the higher compression ratio (just
to mention one of many mods that will have to be looked at).

I was looking into seeing what it would take to use the Navigator 4V heads
on an F-150 5.4L
Ford claims 300HP for the Navigator. That would give you 40HP more at the
crank.

- -Dean Baruffi

At 02:00 PM 9/7/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I have flowmaster and it is loud as hell. The next system I think I am
going to
>try is a gibson cat back super truck system. I put a replacement filter
and it
>seems to be good. If you care you have to be careful about warranty stuff.
Have a
>SVT dealer here and I have talked to the mechanics and they say for the
5.4 the
>lightning blower is the way to go. I trying to save for it it is direct
bolt on
>according to them and the sooner the better. break it in easy they say
>
>Gene Ball wrote:
>
>> I think you can get a 4.30 LS , and thats what I would go with!
>>
>> Freddy wrote:
>>
>> > What kind of gear would you choose on a 2000 f250 with 35" tires on
it? I
>> > want performance!!
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Gene Ball
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 9:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat
>> > 4x4
>> >
>> > > Joe, the more gear you got the more low power you got!
>> > > I love low end power! The truck is 4X4, if you ever plan on going
with a
>> > taller
>> > > tire
>> > > I would get all the gear I could .because the taller tires will kill it
>> > !!!!!!!
>> > > To me a little gas is a small price to pay for the performance you gain
>> > with the
>> > >
>> > > high number gears! I would go with 4.10 or higher! Depending on what
you
>> > plan on
>> > >
>> > > doing with the tires in the future?
>> > > Just my 2 cent!
>> > > Gene
>> > >
>> > > jmann living.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hello all,
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm preparing to order a 2000 F-150 (5.4 Triton) Lariat 4x4. The
great
>> > > > thing about this is that my brother works for Ford, cha-ching! The
>> > dealer
>> > > > I'm working with here in Austin, TX., Covert Ford, has their own,
huge,
>> > > > brand new custom shop. Its called Central Texas Customs.
>> > > >
>> > > > The Question(s);
>> > > >
>> > > > - I'm looking at a 50 or 70 series Flowmater mufflers. Ultimately
I want
>> > > > better gas mileage and power, but I have to consider my neighbors; my
>> > garage
>> > > > is directly under one. Advise??
>> > > >
>> > > > - Now for the K&N Air Filter, should I go with the replacement for
the
>> > > > factory airbox, or should I go the whole nine yards, ditch the airbox
>> > and go
>> > > > with the K&N Cone setup??
>> > > >
>> > > > - How about Mass Airflow Sensors? Good or bad idea? Any
recommendations?
>> > > >
>> > > > - Big bore throttle bodies??
>> > > >
>> > > > - Performance ECUs????
>> > > >
>> > > > - And last, but I'm sure not least, Splitfire plugs?
>> > > >
>> > > > Basically, I'm looking for the best-bang-for-your-buck bolt-on parts,
>> > the
>> > > > goals are gas mileage and power, in that order.
>> > > >
>> > > > Oh, and finally, at this point I've built the truck with a 3.55
limited
>> > slip
>> > > > diff(LSD), how would the 3.73 LSD affect gas milage.
>> > > >
>> > > > And YES, I know gas is cheap!
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks in advance guys!
>> > > >
>> > > > Joe
>> > > >
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:41:08 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: FTE 97up - After market Ford SVT Lightning Blower (was Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4)

Who is the blower available threw, Ford SVT? How much is it? It has to void
the power train warranty big time! Hell they had to put the Powerstroke
tanny, drive shaft and axle in the SVT Lightning just to take the power
output. That blower would probably shred the transfer case in a 2000 F-150
4x4.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gilbert D. Warren [mailto:warship pdcn.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 1:01 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Questions about new 2000 F-150
Lariat 4x4

I have flowmaster and it is loud as hell. The next system I think I am going
to
try is a gibson cat back super truck system. I put a replacement filter and
it
seems to be good. If you care you have to be careful about warranty stuff.
Have a
SVT dealer here and I have talked to the mechanics and they say for the 5.4
the
lightning blower is the way to go. I trying to save for it it is direct bolt
on
according to them and the sooner the better. break it in easy they say

Gene Ball wrote:


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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:22:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: dlsipe webtv.net (Darin Sipe)
Subject: FTE 97up - Cracked Doors: More bad news

I went, on the recommendation of Ford's customer svc. hotline, to my
local Ford dealership. The svc. rep said that if I could get the
service mgr. at the dealership to agree that it is a design flaw, he
could see if there was anything they could do at that level. (yeah,
right!)

On my way into the dealership, I checked out the 97-up trucks on their
used lot. Six out of seven trucks on the lot had the same crack, in
various stages of progression. The worst was rusting and flaking paint
noticeably. All the cracks were noticed without moving the weatherstrip
at the corner of the window. I was unpleasantly surprised at how common
this problem is. Even trucks with manual windows were effected.
Dispite showing the service mgr. my truck and the six others, he would
not say it was a design problem and played the "sorry, you are out of
warranty" tape several times. According to him, Ford will only take
care of this if it is a recall, which must be based on a safety issue.
Do you all think this crack could weaken the integrity of the door if in
a collision?

We need to organize ourselves and band together on this. Does anyone
have any idea what steps we should take next?

What your opinions about writing to popular truck publications to bring
attention to this defect?

Those of you who are still under warranty - get them in there before
your warranty expires!

Darin

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:47:40 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked Doors: More bad news

In a message dated 99-09-07 17:25:10 EDT, you write:


all depending on what region you are located there should be a regional
office that you might be able to call and get something stirred up, in the
S.E. its in Atlanta,GA.

RS

Date: 99-09-07 17:25:10 EDT
From: dlsipe webtv.net (Darin Sipe)
Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
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To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com

I went, on the recommendation of Ford's customer svc. hotline, to my
local Ford dealership. The svc. rep said that if I could get the
service mgr. at the dealership to agree that it is a design flaw, he
could see if there was anything they could do at that level. (yeah,
right!)

On my way into the dealership, I checked out the 97-up trucks on their
used lot. Six out of seven trucks on the lot had the same crack, in
various stages of progression. The worst was rusting and flaking paint
noticeably. All the cracks were noticed without moving the weatherstrip
at the corner of the window. I was unpleasantly surprised at how common
this problem is. Even trucks with manual windows were effected.
Dispite showing the service mgr. my truck and the six others, he would
not say it was a design problem and played the "sorry, you are out of
warranty" tape several times. According to him, Ford will only take
care of this if it is a recall, which must be based on a safety issue.
Do you all think this crack could weaken the integrity of the door if in
a collision?

We need to organize ourselves and band together on this. Does anyone
have any idea what steps we should take next?

What your opinions about writing to popular truck publications to bring
attention to this defect?

Those of you who are still under warranty - get them in there before
your warranty expires!

Darin

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:11:41 EDT
From: Kicksum aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - After market Ford SVT Lightning Blower (was Performance Questi...

I have the 99 ford lightning anfd it is sweet as hell. The combination Ford
built is incrediable. Hats off to the Ford boys.

Carl Butts
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:47:45 -0400
From: "Ron,Marge,Ted"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

Mine is a 98 F150 XL Super Cab, 14000miles on it, power windows, assembled
in Norfolk, VA, and it has the cracked door sheet metal.
Ron
- ----- Original Message -----
From: D'Amelio, Stephen M.
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal


>
> > ----------
> > From: dlsipe webtv.net[SMTP:dlsipe webtv.net]
> >
> > Sure enough, I checked my 97 F150 ext. cab w/p.w. and it has a crack in
> > the door. (snip)
> >
> I just checked my 97 Lariat and can not see any indications of any
> cracks. I peeled
> back the molding on the rear side and the bottom. It would
> be nice to see a survey. I wonder if there is a common
> thread to this problem (options, assembly plant etc.).
>
> My truck has 27K on it and is still under warranty.
>
> Steve D.
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:24:52 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

Wow. It sounds like the F-150 door sheet metal needs to recalled for those
years. Has this problem shown up in any of the SuperDuty F-250 / 350's ?

Keith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ron,Marge,Ted
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal


> Mine is a 98 F150 XL Super Cab, 14000miles on it, power windows, assembled
> in Norfolk, VA, and it has the cracked door sheet metal.
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D'Amelio, Stephen M.
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:56 AM
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
>
>
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: dlsipe webtv.net[SMTP:dlsipe webtv.net]
> > >
> > > Sure enough, I checked my 97 F150 ext. cab w/p.w. and it has a crack
in
> > > the door. (snip)
> > >
> > I just checked my 97 Lariat and can not see any indications of any
> > cracks. I peeled
> > back the molding on the rear side and the bottom. It would
> > be nice to see a survey. I wonder if there is a common
> > thread to this problem (options, assembly plant etc.).
> >
> > My truck has 27K on it and is still under warranty.
> >
> > Steve D.
> >
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:45:18 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Need a pickup bed

Hi Guys,

I have a friend who has just ordered a '00 F-450
crew cab. He's ordered it in dark torreador (sp?) red
and wants to make a pickup out of it. This brings
up two questions:

1. Does anyone have or know where he can find
a dually bed in this color? We can find lots of
white and black, but no red.

2. Has anyone actually swapped one of these
beds onto an F-450 or F-550? Alan, Lee? He says
he ordered the "short" wheel base version so he
won't have the gap between the cab and bed. So
I believe that leaves us with the relatively easy job
of making up the difference in frame rail heights
between the different chassis.

TIA and Best Regards,
Robert

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:46:31 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Survey is online

The sheet metal crack survey is on the web site:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/cgi-bin/vcenter.cgi

Please do not vote more than once. IPs are logged
and double votes will be disqualified (not only that,
it doesn't make the survey fair).

Note that the survey is for 1997 and newer F150s
only since this doesn't appear to affect other trucks.

Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:00:55 -0500
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Survey is online

Thanks, Ken! I had the dubious distinction of casting vote #2. I wonder,
though, if there would be any value in building a database of where the
effected trucks were built, the dates they were built, etc., in order to
help nail down a pattern if one exists? Just a thought.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering our veterans.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Payne
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:46 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Survey is online


> The sheet metal crack survey is on the web site:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/cgi-bin/vcenter.cgi
>
> Please do not vote more than once. IPs are logged
> and double votes will be disqualified (not only that,
> it doesn't make the survey fair).
>
> Note that the survey is for 1997 and newer F150s
> only since this doesn't appear to affect other trucks.
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin
>
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