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97up-list-digest Friday, September 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 235



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V10 5spd axle ratios?
FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150
Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150
FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Excursion Press Release
Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150
Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150
Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
RE: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal (is it a real problem?)
FTE 97up - Recall early 99SD short box
Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal (is it a real problem?)

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:46:28 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V10 5spd axle ratios?

The V-10 with a 5 speed in a F-250 gives you the choice of a 3.73 (standard)
or a 4.30 LS (optional) with an automatic you can get these and a 3.73 LS.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth L. Collier Jr.
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:01 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V10 5spd axle ratios?


>Hello All,
>
>I will be purchasing a 2000 V10 5spd SuperDuty soon. I have a few
>questions about the limited slip axle ratios available. All the
>literature I have seen on sites such as Edmund's and xxxxxxxxx suggest
>that the only limited slip axle available on the F250SD V10 5spd is the
>4.3. I would really like to be able to have the 3.73LS. Does anyone
>(Nathan) know if the information I have obtained via the web is
>accurate? Also does the same axle ratio situation apply to the F350SD
>SRW V10 5spd?
>
>Since I may be stuck with the 4.3LS what kind of gas mileage are people
>experiencing with the V10 5spd (3.73LS or 4.3LS)?
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to have all my bases
>covered before I decide to purchase my truck.
>
>Lee
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:30:24 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150

I ordered my 2000 F-150 SC, 5.4L Sport 2WD about 2 months ago. The dealer
just called me and said there is a hold on the sport packages for the F-150
2000's until October.

He said my truck is built but they are waiting for the sport packages.

Anyone else know/heard about this hold?

Thanks,

Dean Baruffi

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:16:09 -0700
From: "Brandon Adams"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150

I ordered my 2000 F-250 SD CC V10 4x4 LWB on June 23rd and it has been on
hold ever since. The reason mine is on hold is because of the electronic
telescoping trailer mirrors. My dealer told me that they would not even
start the truck until they were ready with the mirrors.

I sure hope they are worth the wait.

Brandon

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:46 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150


>I ordered my 2000 F-150 SC, 5.4L Sport 2WD about 2 months ago. The dealer
>just called me and said there is a hold on the sport packages for the F-150
>2000's until October.
>
>He said my truck is built but they are waiting for the sport packages.
>
>Anyone else know/heard about this hold?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dean Baruffi
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:49:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: dlsipe webtv.net (Darin Sipe)
Subject: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

Sure enough, I checked my 97 F150 ext. cab w/p.w. and it has a crack in
the door. I now have 45K miles one it (yep, out of warranty) Has
anyone tried to address this problem with Ford in an out of warranty
situation? I assume an SSM is not like a recall, but more like a tech.
bulliten. Any clarification would be appreciated.

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:04:00 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Excursion Press Release

The news section of the web site now contains Ford press
releases for the 2000 Excursion. This is a series of
several articles plus photos. Everything you always
wanted to know about Excursions but were afraid to ask!

Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:18:31 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150

They just accepted the change on a truck I have scheduled so the mirrors are
no longer a delay. I was told that the day they started using the
telescoping mirrors, they were going to quit using the regular trailer tow
mirrors, but I'm not sure if thats true or not.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Adams
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150


>I ordered my 2000 F-250 SD CC V10 4x4 LWB on June 23rd and it has been on
>hold ever since. The reason mine is on hold is because of the electronic
>telescoping trailer mirrors. My dealer told me that they would not even
>start the truck until they were ready with the mirrors.
>
>I sure hope they are worth the wait.
>
>Brandon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean Baruffi
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:46 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150
>
>
>>I ordered my 2000 F-150 SC, 5.4L Sport 2WD about 2 months ago. The dealer
>>just called me and said there is a hold on the sport packages for the
F-150
>>2000's until October.
>>
>>He said my truck is built but they are waiting for the sport packages.
>>
>>Anyone else know/heard about this hold?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Dean Baruffi
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:20:16 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150

The sport is going to have different seat trim than a standard F-150 and
that is why the trucks are on hold. I doubt your truck is built, it might
be serialized, but until the Sport is available I doubt it will actually get
built.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:41 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150


>I ordered my 2000 F-150 SC, 5.4L Sport 2WD about 2 months ago. The dealer
>just called me and said there is a hold on the sport packages for the F-150
>2000's until October.
>
>He said my truck is built but they are waiting for the sport packages.
>
>Anyone else know/heard about this hold?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dean Baruffi
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:59:53 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150

I work at a Ford Assy factory, and we do not build cars and then waite for
speical parts! Sometimes we will run a few hrs without a part if we run out!
and the part can be easily installed. It takes a lot of money to rework cars
that
have been built already, and the quality goes down!
For what ever reason I dont think your truck is built !
And I hate salesmen who lie ?
My opinion is most salesmen dont have a clue as to what is going on
in any assembly plant!
Sad to say there job is to tell you what you want to hear!
Gene ps havent met a salesman i like yet?

Union Auto wrote:

> The sport is going to have different seat trim than a standard F-150 and
> that is why the trucks are on hold. I doubt your truck is built, it might
> be serialized, but until the Sport is available I doubt it will actually get
> built.
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Baruffi
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:41 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Sport Package on F-150
>
> >I ordered my 2000 F-150 SC, 5.4L Sport 2WD about 2 months ago. The dealer
> >just called me and said there is a hold on the sport packages for the F-150
> >2000's until October.
> >
> >He said my truck is built but they are waiting for the sport packages.
> >
> >Anyone else know/heard about this hold?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Dean Baruffi
> >
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:32:59 -0400
From: Rob
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

i called ford customer assistance yesterday about the problem. i am out
of 36k warranty, time wise it expired july 23rd and mileage wise 2 weeks
ago... i also have the ford ESP... in which sheet metal is not covered,
nor defects in material/workmanship... i was basically told i was SOL
even with an ESP. anyone feel like organizing a lawsuit?

rob in PA

Darin Sipe wrote:
>
> Sure enough, I checked my 97 F150 ext. cab w/p.w. and it has a crack in
> the door. I now have 45K miles one it (yep, out of warranty) Has
> anyone tried to address this problem with Ford in an out of warranty
> situation? I assume an SSM is not like a recall, but more like a tech.
> bulliten. Any clarification would be appreciated.
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:07:36 -0300
From: Mark MacDonald
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

I dont know if this has anything to do with it, but I noticed that on my
truck with power windows, the whole door panel flexes quite a bit when the
window is put up... Im sure that this must do something to the metal's
strength after a few hundred up and downs...

I may be way out in left field here, but its just something Ive noticed....



At 07:32 PM 9/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
>i called ford customer assistance yesterday about the problem. i am out
>of 36k warranty, time wise it expired july 23rd and mileage wise 2 weeks
>ago... i also have the ford ESP... in which sheet metal is not covered,
>nor defects in material/workmanship... i was basically told i was SOL
>even with an ESP. anyone feel like organizing a lawsuit?
>
>rob in PA
>

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:24:18 EDT
From: RiTruckGuy aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

I'm going to check mine in the morning. I'm 6K out of warranty, and if I
have the problem, count me in any legal action we may want to organize.

Bill

i called ford customer assistance yesterday about the problem. i am out
of 36k warranty, time wise it expired july 23rd and mileage wise 2 weeks
ago... i also have the ford ESP... in which sheet metal is not covered,
nor defects in material/workmanship... i was basically told i was SOL
even with an ESP. anyone feel like organizing a lawsuit?

rob in PA

Darin Sipe wrote:
>
> Sure enough, I checked my 97 F150 ext. cab w/p.w. and it has a crack in
> the door. I now have 45K miles one it (yep, out of warranty) Has
> anyone tried to address this problem with Ford in an out of warranty
> situation? I assume an SSM is not like a recall, but more like a tech.
> bulliten. Any clarification would be appreciated.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:50:24 EDT
From: RiTruckGuy aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

Curiosity got the better of me, so I checked it tonight...and lo and behold,
I've got cracks on both sides...make sure you look really close at the
passenger door too. I'm going to talk with Ford, then if necessary, my
lawyer, in the morning.

I'm going to check mine in the morning. I'm 6K out of warranty, and if I
have the problem, count me in any legal action we may want to organize.

Bill

i called ford customer assistance yesterday about the problem. i am out
of 36k warranty, time wise it expired july 23rd and mileage wise 2 weeks
ago... i also have the ford ESP... in which sheet metal is not covered,
nor defects in material/workmanship... i was basically told i was SOL
even with an ESP. anyone feel like organizing a lawsuit?
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:39:38 -0400
From: "Freddy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal

Hey does it affect the 1999 Ford F150 ??

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal


> Curiosity got the better of me, so I checked it tonight...and lo and
behold,
> I've got cracks on both sides...make sure you look really close at the
> passenger door too. I'm going to talk with Ford, then if necessary, my
> lawyer, in the morning.
>
> I'm going to check mine in the morning. I'm 6K out of warranty, and if I
> have the problem, count me in any legal action we may want to organize.
>
> Bill
>
> i called ford customer assistance yesterday about the problem. i am out
> of 36k warranty, time wise it expired july 23rd and mileage wise 2 weeks
> ago... i also have the ford ESP... in which sheet metal is not covered,
> nor defects in material/workmanship... i was basically told i was SOL
> even with an ESP. anyone feel like organizing a lawsuit?
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>

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:47:57 -0500
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal (is it a real problem?)

I've been following this and I have to wonder - just a few days ago none of
you even knew a problem existed and now there are cries of "LAWSUIT!". Is
this a "Real" problem? Several people chimed in about even having 50, 60
and 70 thousand miles with the "problem" but no "problem" with it.



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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:33 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal


i called ford customer assistance yesterday about the problem. i am out
of 36k warranty, time wise it expired july 23rd and mileage wise 2 weeks
ago... i also have the ford ESP... in which sheet metal is not covered,
nor defects in material/workmanship... i was basically told i was SOL
even with an ESP. anyone feel like organizing a lawsuit?

rob in PA

Darin Sipe wrote:
>
> Sure enough, I checked my 97 F150 ext. cab w/p.w. and it has a crack in
> the door. I now have 45K miles one it (yep, out of warranty) Has
> anyone tried to address this problem with Ford in an out of warranty
> situation? I assume an SSM is not like a recall, but more like a tech.
> bulliten. Any clarification would be appreciated.
>
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:14:42 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Recall early 99SD short box

Anyone know how long on the turn around time on recall fix that i got today
in mail? Says they are stocking parts? Its for fuel problem with lines, tank
bracketm etc.

thanks
Ross S.
F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 03:06:28 -0400
From: Rob
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal (is it a real problem?)

i'll let you know after the salt hits it this winter and the paint
starts to bubble as the rust spreads underneath it. nobody "cried"
lawsuit, but if it is a common problem it should be properly addressed
by ford, and if it isnt we should stand up for our consumer rights. in
short this shouldnt happen on a 3 year old $25k plus vehicle and should
be viewed as a design flaw IMHO. what the heck is an SSM anyway?

rob in PA

David Moore wrote:
>
> I've been following this and I have to wonder - just a few days ago none of
> you even knew a problem existed and now there are cries of "LAWSUIT!". Is
> this a "Real" problem? Several people chimed in about even having 50, 60
> and 70 thousand miles with the "problem" but no "problem" with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:33 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cracked door sheetmetal
>
> i called ford customer assistance yesterday about the problem. i am out
> of 36k warranty, time wise it expired july 23rd and mileage wise 2 weeks
> ago... i also have the ford ESP... in which sheet metal is not covered,
> nor defects in material/workmanship... i was basically told i was SOL
> even with an ESP. anyone feel like organizing a lawsuit?
>
> rob in PA
>
> Darin Sipe wrote:
> >
> > Sure enough, I checked my 97 F150 ext. cab w/p.w. and it has a crack in....


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