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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
RE: FTE 97up - Brakes !
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 DRW PSD Crew Cab AT
FTE 97up - Re: Georgia Lemon Law
FTE 97up - Re: Lemon Law
FTE 97up - Re: Lemon Law
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
Re: FTE 97up - Brakes !
> Re: FTE 97up - BON Press Releases
RE: FTE 97up - Brakes !
> Re: FTE 97up - BON Press Releases
FTE 97up - Anybody who goes through brakes-READ!
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
Re: FTE 97up - Brakes !
Re: FTE 97up - Brakes !
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
FTE 97up - ADMIN: 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac specifications
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty recall
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty recall
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
FTE 97up - SuperDuty V10 5spd axle ratios?
Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:47:11 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

This surfaced a few months ago, it seems to be '97 and '98's. There is a
special service message (ssm 12071 ) that says that the fix for now is to
replace the door, a fix will be announced 3rd quarter '99 which will consist
of a reinforcement plate to prevent cracking. So if the truck is still in
warranty Ford will pay for a new door, and then in the next few months
they'll have a reinforcing plate to stop it from happening again.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 2:21 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?


>Gang,
>
>At the last meeting of the local club I belong to, one
>of the members who does body work for a living asked me
>to check out a problem he noticed since I'm naturally
>in a position to be in contact with many F150 owners.
>
>While doing body work on a 97 F150, he noticed that the
>sheet metal on the driver's door had a small crack in it.
>This can be located by lifting up the door seam at the
>window where the straight part of the window starts to
>curve on the bottom at the back of the window. Since he
>has a 98 F150, he checked his and it had the same problem.
>He truck has less than 20,000 miles on it and it concerned
>him. He then proceeded to ask other F150 owners he met
>in parking lots if he could take a look at their truck.
>Many of them had the problem, even low mileage trucks.
>
>I don't own a 97+ F150 so I cannot personally validate
>this problem. I thought you might want to take a look
>at it.
>
>Ken Payne
>Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:17:07 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Brakes !

Someone wrote:

> The rotors in my 1999 F250SD 4x4 Crew Cab V-10 just took a dump at 12,000
> miles. This was caused by heavy braking, will most of weight being on the
> front end (unloaded). (The 75 MPH to zero LA-Traffic-sucks-stops did not
> help
> much either). My 1991 F150 and Chev 2500 have the same problem. Try
> changing
> the rotors and pads to a heavy grade (it worked on my F150). Don't waste
> the
> money turning the rotors, it won't help for long.
>
>
I don't want to step on any toes, but I always wondered if driving habits
contributed to brake warpage problems. I say this because I have owned
many vehicles with disk brakes, and have yet to have a rotor warp.

I still have the original rotors in my 1970 Mustang. In my (limited) racing
experience, we always tried to make sure new brakes were broken
in correctly. I don't know that I make any effort to save my brakes
on my cars and trucks, but for some reason I've never had a problem.
I do tend to use my brakes hard, but not for long periods, if that
makes any sense.

Meanwhile, my mother has had nothing but problems with all her
cars (mostly Toyotas) with regard to brakes. And I know she has
very bad braking habits. (she tends to ride the brakes).

Anyway, just food for thought (or fuel for fire)...

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:20:42 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> At the last meeting of the local club I belong to, one
> of the members who does body work for a living asked me
> to check out a problem he noticed since I'm naturally
> in a position to be in contact with many F150 owners.
>
> While doing body work on a 97 F150, he noticed that the
> sheet metal on the driver's door had a small crack in it.
> This can be located by lifting up the door seam at the
> window where the straight part of the window starts to
> curve on the bottom at the back of the window. Since he
> has a 98 F150, he checked his and it had the same problem.
> He truck has less than 20,000 miles on it and it concerned
> him. He then proceeded to ask other F150 owners he met
> in parking lots if he could take a look at their truck.
> Many of them had the problem, even low mileage trucks.
>
> I don't own a 97+ F150 so I cannot personally validate
> this problem. I thought you might want to take a look
> at it.
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>
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Ken,

My 97 had that problem. I would guess that too much torque
is applied and the result is the window pushing against the
stoppers flexing the door's window frame. Ask your friend
if it is only affecting trucks with power windows. Mine had
power windows.

Regards

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:19:19 EDT
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 DRW PSD Crew Cab AT

From: "Michael R. Burlingham"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 DRW PSD Crew Cab AT

Here is a list of the problems with my truck with 28,000 miles. If anyone
has a clue let me know.

Thanks,

Mike


1. Shimmy at high speed. Comes and goes. At about 80 mph it can get very
strong. The tires and wheels have been balanced so many times they are all
barked up. All of this hasn't changed the shimmy. I saw a Super Duty with a
steering stabilizer the other day. Maybe a fix?
~~~~~ Is either:
1. A belt has internally seperated within one of the tires, or one tire had
the outside tread sections improperly vulcanized at factory.You can't *see*
either problem.
2. Driveshaft needs to be dynamically re-balanced
3. Add a Rancho RS5000 steering stabilizer shock (do this last if #1 & 2
don't do it)


2. Brake warpage. We have turned the rotors twice already. I am not crazy
about doing it again. It pulls hard to the side at times which leaves me to
believe one of the calipers is dragging. This is much worst when I am
pulling a trailer or carrying a load and brakes have warmed up a bit.

~~~~ Have your brake booster pushrod working length checked and measured. You
likely indeed have a bad caliper. Have them both rebuilt, and install new
brake pads and turn (or if below minimum replace) both front rotors. As you
are pulling a trailer, you may wish to go to high performance
drilled/slotted rotors for better heat dissapation.

3. Transmission hunting. I have not been happy since new with the way the
transmission shifts.
a. Multiple shifts. It jumps in and out of a gear sometimes as many as
three times in very rapid succession (in one second) before it hooks up.
Most often it is when I have been working it for a while such as pulling
the trailer.
b. It drops out of overdrive very quickly on up hills. This is true with or
without a load. On slight grades, even in cruise, it will drop down and
resist going back up once you crest the hill.

~~~~~ The engine PCM and the transmission TCM work in unison. Have your Ford
dealer run a KOEO and KOEO test with the Rotunda hand held tester for any
stored codes. They should also check to see if the transmission has enough
working vacuum pressure from engine to trans.

Randy
cookies aol.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:23:16 EDT
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Georgia Lemon Law

Call Law offices of Krohn & Moss. They have a toll-free 800 number. Call
directory assistance.

For general Lemon Law info. by state, go to www.altavista.com, and type in

Lemon Law

and you can scroll through to find the lemon law statute for your state.

Randy
cookies aol.com
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:33:29 -0400
From: samand42 mindspring.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Lemon Law

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:00:18 -0400
From: "Freddy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lemon Law

Does anyone know where I can get information about Lemon Law In Georgia??

Thanks

p.s. No problem yet with my new Ford but few problems with 98 dodge ram
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:37:37 -0400
From: samand42 mindspring.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Lemon Law

Georgia Department of Consumer Affairs, I believe, is the place to go. They will ask a few questions, and then send out a packet for you to fill out. Try (404)651-8600, or (800)869-1123. They were always very nice and helpful. I started the process on a 96 Chevy 1500. Brakes also. I had 3 brake jobs in less that 4 months. I then got rid of the truck and bought a 98 F-150. Solved that problem.

Good Luck!

Andy
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:00:18 -0400
From: "Freddy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lemon Law

Does anyone know where I can get information about Lemon Law In Georgia??

Thanks

p.s. No problem yet with my new Ford but few problems with 98 dodge ram
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:44:12 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

Its good to know that Ford is aware of this issue and has
issued an ssm. I guess we won't see much of an uproar
since Ford is apparently taking care it it.

Thanks,
Ken


At 08:47 AM 9/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
>This surfaced a few months ago, it seems to be '97 and '98's. There is a
>special service message (ssm 12071 ) that says that the fix for now is to
>replace the door, a fix will be announced 3rd quarter '99 which will consist
>of a reinforcement plate to prevent cracking. So if the truck is still in
>warranty Ford will pay for a new door, and then in the next few months
>they'll have a reinforcing plate to stop it from happening again.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:05:19 -0400
From: Rob
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

so what happens with the ones that are out of warranty?

rob in PA

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Its good to know that Ford is aware of this issue and has
> issued an ssm. I guess we won't see much of an uproar
> since Ford is apparently taking care it it.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
> At 08:47 AM 9/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >This surfaced a few months ago, it seems to be '97 and '98's. There is a
> >special service message (ssm 12071 ) that says that the fix for now is to
> >replace the door, a fix will be announced 3rd quarter '99 which will consist
> >of a reinforcement plate to prevent cracking. So if the truck is still in
> >warranty Ford will pay for a new door, and then in the next few months
> >they'll have a reinforcing plate to stop it from happening again.
> >
> >Nathan Bernard
> >Union Auto, Inc.
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:57:05 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Brakes !

Steve, I am a firm beliver in saving brakes and fuel !
So I do a lot of coasting when possible!
Geno

D'Amelio, Stephen M. wrote:

> Someone wrote:
>
> > The rotors in my 1999 F250SD 4x4 Crew Cab V-10 just took a dump at 12,000
> > miles. This was caused by heavy braking, will most of weight being on the
> > front end (unloaded). (The 75 MPH to zero LA-Traffic-sucks-stops did not
> > help
> > much either). My 1991 F150 and Chev 2500 have the same problem. Try
> > changing
> > the rotors and pads to a heavy grade (it worked on my F150). Don't waste
> > the
> > money turning the rotors, it won't help for long.
> >
> >
> I don't want to step on any toes, but I always wondered if driving habits
> contributed to brake warpage problems. I say this because I have owned
> many vehicles with disk brakes, and have yet to have a rotor warp.
>
> I still have the original rotors in my 1970 Mustang. In my (limited) racing
> experience, we always tried to make sure new brakes were broken
> in correctly. I don't know that I make any effort to save my brakes
> on my cars and trucks, but for some reason I've never had a problem.
> I do tend to use my brakes hard, but not for long periods, if that
> makes any sense.
>
> Meanwhile, my mother has had nothing but problems with all her
> cars (mostly Toyotas) with regard to brakes. And I know she has
> very bad braking habits. (she tends to ride the brakes).
>
> Anyway, just food for thought (or fuel for fire)...
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:51:14 -0500
From: "Sven Setterdahl"
Subject: > Re: FTE 97up - BON Press Releases

I agree with Ken. BON has used a lot of Ford documents. I do remember =
them wanting to sell reprints of some blueprints at one time, but I'm =
not sure. It could have been posters. But the point is that these guys =
knowingly published Ford internal documents. They went as far as =
publicly encouraging Ford employees to send them these documents.

Free speech is one thing. Industrial esponage is another. Someone =
needs to teach the folks at Blue Oval News the difference, and that's =
what Ford is trying to do.



> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:42:33 -0400
> From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - BON Press Releases
>=20
> I can't believe how much spin BON is putting on this.
> He publishes stolen documents and claims its free
> speech. I asked them about this, and why they don't
> abide by their own disclaimer which states publication
> without their permission is not allowed and how they
> state that you must get permission from Ford to republish
> documents. They didn't respond to this yet they're
> perfectly willing to send me emails asking me to
> put a Ford boycott on Ford Truck Enthusiasts. IMHO,
> two faced hypocrite.
>=20
> This is simply a case of someone getting caught with=20
> their hand in the cookie jar and now they're using
> free speech as an excuse. Ford Motor Company also=20
> alleges that BON was soliciting sales for blueprints --=20
> I'm sure Ford would not say this unless they had some sort
> of proof.
>=20
>=20


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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:56:21 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Brakes !

Steve,

I believe you make a valid point. One that will likely be debated. But I
agree that abuse of brakes will certainly contribute to the problem. I have
had intermittent problems with brakes on my family's vehicles, yet they
always seem to be on the ones I drive. Hmmm, go figure. Stop & go traffic,
racing to catch a green light, only to have it quickly turn red, then having
to stand on the brakes, etc., really heats them up! The wife's rig never
seems to experience these problems, as she's pretty easy on a vehicle, not
to mention that she drives only 1 mile to my every 3.

Pennhead

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M.
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 9:17 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Brakes !


Someone wrote:

> The rotors in my 1999 F250SD 4x4 Crew Cab V-10 just took a dump at 12,000
> miles. This was caused by heavy braking, will most of weight being on the
> front end (unloaded). (The 75 MPH to zero LA-Traffic-sucks-stops did not
> help
> much either). My 1991 F150 and Chev 2500 have the same problem. Try
> changing
> the rotors and pads to a heavy grade (it worked on my F150). Don't waste
> the
> money turning the rotors, it won't help for long.
>
>
I don't want to step on any toes, but I always wondered if driving habits
contributed to brake warpage problems. I say this because I have owned
many vehicles with disk brakes, and have yet to have a rotor warp.

I still have the original rotors in my 1970 Mustang. In my (limited) racing
experience, we always tried to make sure new brakes were broken
in correctly. I don't know that I make any effort to save my brakes
on my cars and trucks, but for some reason I've never had a problem.
I do tend to use my brakes hard, but not for long periods, if that
makes any sense.

Meanwhile, my mother has had nothing but problems with all her
cars (mostly Toyotas) with regard to brakes. And I know she has
very bad braking habits. (she tends to ride the brakes).

Anyway, just food for thought (or fuel for fire)...

Steve

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:51:09 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: > Re: FTE 97up - BON Press Releases

At 04:51 PM 9/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I agree with Ken. BON has used a lot of Ford documents. I do remember them wanting to sell reprints of some blueprints at one time, but I'm not sure. It could have been posters. But the point is that these guys knowingly published Ford internal documents. They went as far as publicly encouraging Ford employees to send them these documents.
>
>Free speech is one thing. Industrial esponage is another. Someone needs to teach the folks at Blue Oval News the difference, and that's what Ford is trying to do.

I remember seeing the stuff about selling reprints. The
thought that went through my mind at the time was "its
just a matter of time before Ford puts a stop to this."

Ken

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:01:31 EDT
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Anybody who goes through brakes-READ!

If any of you are in California, and wish to be a testifying witness to a
Ford F series (1997) case with excessive (alleged) brake/ brake wear issues,
*or*are experiencing any of the problems below, please write to me.! WE need
to hear VOICES!!

As a matter of fact, if anybody has the following complaints:
1. premature brake pad/rotor wear
2. warped rotors
3. pulling to one side (calipers)
4. bizarre/accelerated tire wear
5. steering "wandering" issues
6. "grinding" noise upon brake application
7. unresolved brake complaints
Please write to me privately at: cookies aol.com

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:30:26 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

Nathan,

Does this door sheet metal problem also extend to Expeditions, (which, as
you know, shares a lot of parts with the F-150)?

Keith



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Union Auto
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?


> This surfaced a few months ago, it seems to be '97 and '98's. There is a
> special service message (ssm 12071 ) that says that the fix for now is to
> replace the door, a fix will be announced 3rd quarter '99 which will
consist
> of a reinforcement plate to prevent cracking. So if the truck is still in
> warranty Ford will pay for a new door, and then in the next few months
> they'll have a reinforcing plate to stop it from happening again.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Payne
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 2:21 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?
>
>
> >Gang,
> >
> >At the last meeting of the local club I belong to, one
> >of the members who does body work for a living asked me
> >to check out a problem he noticed since I'm naturally
> >in a position to be in contact with many F150 owners.
> >
> >While doing body work on a 97 F150, he noticed that the
> >sheet metal on the driver's door had a small crack in it.
> >This can be located by lifting up the door seam at the
> >window where the straight part of the window starts to
> >curve on the bottom at the back of the window. Since he
> >has a 98 F150, he checked his and it had the same problem.
> >He truck has less than 20,000 miles on it and it concerned
> >him. He then proceeded to ask other F150 owners he met
> >in parking lots if he could take a look at their truck.
> >Many of them had the problem, even low mileage trucks.
> >
> >I don't own a 97+ F150 so I cannot personally validate
> >this problem. I thought you might want to take a look
> >at it.
> >
> >Ken Payne
> >Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> >
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:38:16 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Brakes !

You are not alone. I also have never had any problems with brakes even
though I often drive like a Fireman to a Fire. Those cars I have had with
rear drums typically have more than 1/2 material on the shoes after 100,000
miles. The disc brake pads in the front (for my vehicles so designed)
typically go about 60,000 before I change them due to them being at or just
below 1/3 remaining. Rotors seem to last forever, never had a warped one.
I occasionally do the 'ol 80 MPH to 10 MPH "panic" brake to slow enough to
take the interstate exit I want, and I have just as much stop & go as most
people (Boston area).

Keith

- ----- Original Message -----
From: D'Amelio, Stephen M.
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Brakes !


> Someone wrote:
>
> > The rotors in my 1999 F250SD 4x4 Crew Cab V-10 just took a dump at
12,000
> > miles. This was caused by heavy braking, will most of weight being on
the
> > front end (unloaded). (The 75 MPH to zero LA-Traffic-sucks-stops did not
> > help
> > much either). My 1991 F150 and Chev 2500 have the same problem. Try
> > changing
> > the rotors and pads to a heavy grade (it worked on my F150). Don't
waste
> > the
> > money turning the rotors, it won't help for long.
> >
> >
> I don't want to step on any toes, but I always wondered if driving habits
> contributed to brake warpage problems. I say this because I have owned
> many vehicles with disk brakes, and have yet to have a rotor warp.
>
> I still have the original rotors in my 1970 Mustang. In my (limited)
racing
> experience, we always tried to make sure new brakes were broken
> in correctly. I don't know that I make any effort to save my brakes
> on my cars and trucks, but for some reason I've never had a problem.
> I do tend to use my brakes hard, but not for long periods, if that
> makes any sense.
>
> Meanwhile, my mother has had nothing but problems with all her
> cars (mostly Toyotas) with regard to brakes. And I know she has
> very bad braking habits. (she tends to ride the brakes).
>
> Anyway, just food for thought (or fuel for fire)...
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:30:50 -0400
From: Alan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Brakes !

Steve
In 1970 rotors weren't throw aways like todays. They were heaver and better
grade.
Alan

D'Amelio, Stephen M. wrote:

> Someone wrote:
>
> > The rotors in my 1999 F250SD 4x4 Crew Cab V-10 just took a dump at 12,000
> > miles. This was caused by heavy braking, will most of weight being on the
> > front end (unloaded). (The 75 MPH to zero LA-Traffic-sucks-stops did not
> > help
> > much either). My 1991 F150 and Chev 2500 have the same problem. Try
> > changing
> > the rotors and pads to a heavy grade (it worked on my F150). Don't waste
> > the
> > money turning the rotors, it won't help for long.
> >
> >
> I don't want to step on any toes, but I always wondered if driving habits
> contributed to brake warpage problems. I say this because I have owned
> many vehicles with disk brakes, and have yet to have a rotor warp.
>
> I still have the original rotors in my 1970 Mustang. In my (limited) racing
> experience, we always tried to make sure new brakes were broken
> in correctly. I don't know that I make any effort to save my brakes
> on my cars and trucks, but for some reason I've never had a problem.
> I do tend to use my brakes hard, but not for long periods, if that
> makes any sense.
>
> Meanwhile, my mother has had nothing but problems with all her
> cars (mostly Toyotas) with regard to brakes. And I know she has
> very bad braking habits. (she tends to ride the brakes).
>
> Anyway, just food for thought (or fuel for fire)...
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:33:51 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

At 08:30 PM 9/1/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Nathan,
>
>Does this door sheet metal problem also extend to Expeditions, (which, as
>you know, shares a lot of parts with the F-150)?
>
>Keith

I was told that it didn't happen with Expeditions.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:44:11 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac specifications

Check out the news section of the web site for
2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac specifications.

Ken Payne
Admin


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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:10:40 -0700
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty recall

I just received another recall notice for my 99 Super Duty (Built Oct.1998).
It includes all 250 and 350 models with the short box that were built from
Job #1 1999 (which means from the first one ever built in 1998) through June
4, 1999. Apparently, these vehicles fail to conform to the FMVSS 301 fuel
system integrity test. The recall calls for the installation of tank
retaining cables and/or the replacement of the fuel tank locator bracket.

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:48:03 -0500
From: Glenn S See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

".... the sheet metal on the driver's door had a small crack in it. This
can be located by lifting up the door seam at the window where the
straight part of the window starts to curve on the bottom at the back of
the window....."

I checked my '98 150SC and didn't see a crack in this location - so far.
With 30,000 miles on it I would think if I was going to have one it would
have already started by now. I did notice an open hole (probably for
alignment during assembly?) in the sheet metal in line with the spot
welds in the area, was wondering if the cracking was occurring in the
vicinity of an existing opening.

From the location described it may be a result of the door frame rear top
corner deflecting during closure. My doors seal pretty tight. I often
have to open a window or the driver's door to get the pax door to close
fully against the 3rd door. But the force from a power window might be
enough to flex that corner.

I don't have power windows, btw.

Steve (the other one)
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:41:54 -0600
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty recall

Yes, me too. I discovered this recall on the NHTSA website a couple of months
ago, so I've been expecting it.

Neil Plocek wrote:

> I just received another recall notice for my 99 Super Duty (Built Oct.1998).
> It includes all 250 and 350 models with the short box that were built from
> Job #1 1999 (which means from the first one ever built in 1998) through June
> 4, 1999. Apparently, these vehicles fail to conform to the FMVSS 301 fuel
> system integrity test. The recall calls for the installation of tank
> retaining cables and/or the replacement of the fuel tank locator bracket.
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:45:03 -0700
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

On the driver's side, would this be on the lower right hand side of the
window? Is it the seal between the window and sheetmetal?
Thanks,
Jose.
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From: Glenn S See
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?


>".... the sheet metal on the driver's door had a small crack in it. This
>can be located by lifting up the door seam at the window where the
>straight part of the window starts to curve on the bottom at the back of
>the window....."
>


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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:44:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Possible design flaw, 97+ F150s?

At 09:45 PM 9/1/99 -0700, you wrote:
>On the driver's side, would this be on the lower right hand side of the
>window? Is it the seal between the window and sheetmetal?
>Thanks,
> Jose.

Correct.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 23:51:26 -0500
From: "Kenneth L. Collier Jr."
Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V10 5spd axle ratios?

Hello All,

I will be purchasing a 2000 V10 5spd SuperDuty soon. I have a few
questions about the limited slip axle ratios available. All the....

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