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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust
FTE 97up - engine question
Re: FTE 97up - engine question
Re: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt
Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust
FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD?
Re: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD?
Re: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD?
RE: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD?
RE: FTE 97up - engine question
FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust
RE: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt
RE: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust
FTE 97up - rear brakes dragging
RE: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust
Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust
Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust
Re: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD Q: Nathan

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:03:15 EDT
From: Wolvrin704

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust

I have the Flowmaster dual oulet cat-back system on my 97 SC 4x4 4.6, and it
fit with no problem. I had some 3" ends welded on and it looks and sounds
great. By the way I have the Delta Flow muffler.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:36:09 -0500
From: Wright Buford S CNIN
Subject: FTE 97up - engine question

I have a 99 F250 with the V10. Does the motor use a mass flow sensor to
measure airflow? Is it part of the
large air cleaner assembly?

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:45:41 EDT
From: RSnovi

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In a message dated 99-08-23 11:39:17 EDT, you write:

look between throttle body and air filter if there is a cylindrical metal
object with a sensor plug in the answer is yes. Most trucks run speed
density but mass air is more accurate way of metering air.
Unless you are using a SEFI programmable speed density race unit ($).

RS

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I have a 99 F250 with the V10. Does the motor use a mass flow sensor to
measure airflow? Is it part of the
large air cleaner assembly?

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:29:34 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt

Be careful with those spray on dressings. They quiet the squeal for a
while, but then throws the sticky stuff all about the engine compartment,
which seems to collect dirt and make a mess.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:27:38 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust

Has anyone tried the Banks Power Pack set up on a V10? The system includes
everything from headers to the tail pipe. +48 hp and + 68 ft-pds torque are
quoted. Does this feel like $1700 worth of ductwork?
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>I have the Flowmaster dual oulet cat-back system on my 97 SC 4x4 4.6, and
it
>fit with no problem. I had some 3" ends welded on and it looks and sounds
>great. By the way I have the Delta Flow muffler.
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:59:43 +0200
From: eh60ip

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Subject: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD?

Got a question for you technical guys out there. Does anyone make a
header for the 7.3 liter PSD? I was thinking about changing the exhaust
setup and or having some of the factory components jet-hot coated to
reduce the under hood temperature.

Any thoughts on if it's worth the trouble or not?

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:38:42 EDT
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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD?

In a message dated 99-08-23 18:04:38 EDT, you write:

which parts were you looking for, there are a few companies makeing down pipe
for around 150. and cat backs 450+/-. Alos FOMoCo has cat Delete pipe already
made for us Early '99 7.3's

RS

Date: 99-08-23 18:04:38 EDT
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Got a question for you technical guys out there. Does anyone make a
header for the 7.3 liter PSD? I was thinking about changing the exhaust
setup and or having some of the factory components jet-hot coated to
reduce the under hood temperature.

Any thoughts on if it's worth the trouble or not?

Thanks! Don

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:59:19 +0200
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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD?

I'm getting the 2000 model F350 PSD, and I don't think I need to replace
the pipe at all. Having it jet-hot coated will reduce the underhood
temperature and radiant heat dissipation that ultimately gets absorbed
into other components close to the exhaust. I just thought it might be
interesting to see if anyone made a tuned exhaust (header) for the 7.3
liter PSD.

Help me understand what the term "cat back" means. I've been assuming
that it means a replacement system for the pipes aft of the catalytic
converter. I'm more interested in free flowing and shielding the
exhaust in front of the catalytic converter. What happens after the
catalytic converter is of less importance, because that heat is already
behind any components that I'm concerned with.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:38:42 -0500
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Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD?

Whats the part # for the cat delete pipe?

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In a message dated 99-08-23 18:04:38 EDT, you write:

which parts were you looking for, there are a few companies makeing down
pipe
for around 150. and cat backs 450+/-. Alos FOMoCo has cat Delete pipe
already
made for us Early '99 7.3's

RS

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Got a question for you technical guys out there. Does anyone make a
header for the 7.3 liter PSD? I was thinking about changing the exhaust
setup and or having some of the factory components jet-hot coated to
reduce the under hood temperature.

Any thoughts on if it's worth the trouble or not?

Thanks! Don

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:38:36 -0500
From: "sqezbox"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - engine question

Yes and yes

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Subject: FTE 97up - engine question

I have a 99 F250 with the V10. Does the motor use a mass flow sensor to
measure airflow? Is it part of the
large air cleaner assembly?

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:12:13 -0400
From: "MStock56"
Subject: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust

I installed the Gibson 3" Cat-Back system on my 1999 F-150,Sc,Lb,4.6l V8.
The system was no picnic to install. All of the pieces fit together nicely,
without any cutting except the tip of the tailpipe for the chrome extension.
The problems came when I tried to fit the system onto the truck. With the
original system with only a "hot wrench", the area was ready for the
exhaust. The biggest problem is that the system won't bolt on without first
removing the spare tire. After installation, I couldn't put the spare back
under the truck....I now have to relocate it..BUMMER> I have the 3.73LS
w/16" tires and 4-wheel ABS Disc Brakes.Other than the spare riding in the
back seat for now, I love the extra power and sound of the new system. Now I
need only find an adapter to replace the spare back under the truck.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:28:57 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt

Good point. Exercise moderation.

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Be careful with those spray on dressings. They quiet the squeal for a
while, but then throws the sticky stuff all about the engine compartment,
which seems to collect dirt and make a mess.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:50:58 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust

Guys, with all this talk about custom exhaust systems and difficult
installations, perhaps it might be high time to revisit the local muffler
shop with the experienced exhaust man. There was a time, in my youth, when
every vehicle I owned had newly installed headers run wide open across town
to the muffler shop, where the man with the plan fabricated (from scratch) a
complete dual exhaust system, starting with straight pipe, a bending
machine, and the mufflers of my choice (usually cherry bombs or turbo
mufflers). He also used clamps in lieu of welding, so it didn't have to be
cut apart should you wish to modify something.

Perhaps I'm just tripping down memory lane.

I know things have changed under the trucks, but the need for experienced
exhaust men has not. I have one here in town that wouldn't be afraid to
tackle any job, I suspect... The same guy who installed all my exhausts all
those years ago. I'm certain he will be included when I evaluate my exhaust
options in the future.

Your thoughts, anyone?

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Subject: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust

I installed the Gibson 3" Cat-Back system on my 1999 F-150,Sc,Lb,4.6l V8.
The system was no picnic to install. All of the pieces fit together nicely,
without any cutting except the tip of the tailpipe for the chrome extension.
The problems came when I tried to fit the system onto the truck. With the
original system with only a "hot wrench", the area was ready for the
exhaust. The biggest problem is that the system won't bolt on without first
removing the spare tire. After installation, I couldn't put the spare back
under the truck....I now have to relocate it..BUMMER> I have the 3.73LS
w/16" tires and 4-wheel ABS Disc Brakes.Other than the spare riding in the
back seat for now, I love the extra power and sound of the new system. Now I
need only find an adapter to replace the spare back under the truck.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:46:18 -0500
From: "James Menne"
Subject: FTE 97up - rear brakes dragging

List,

I've recently had my '97 F350 dually truck in twice for the rear brakes not
returning to their normal position. The brakes will squeak as the wheels
rotate until the brakes are applied, then squeal continuously until stopped.
This process starts slowly and quietly, but gets worse with time. The
service manager says mine is not the only truck experiencing this, that it's
always the left side, and he's not sure why. I'll be making my third trip
soon. Any ideas?

Jim Menne

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:21:52 -0700
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust

>Guys, with all this talk about custom exhaust systems and difficult
>installations, perhaps it might be high time to revisit the local muffler
>shop with the experienced exhaust man. There was a time, in my youth, when
>every vehicle I owned had newly installed headers run wide open across town
>to the muffler shop, where the man with the plan fabricated (from scratch) a
>complete dual exhaust system, starting with straight pipe, a bending
>machine, and the mufflers of my choice (usually cherry bombs or turbo
>mufflers). He also used clamps in lieu of welding, so it didn't have to be
>cut apart should you wish to modify something.
>
>Perhaps I'm just tripping down memory lane.
>
>I know things have changed under the trucks, but the need for experienced
>exhaust men has not. I have one here in town that wouldn't be afraid to
>tackle any job, I suspect... The same guy who installed all my exhausts all
>those years ago. I'm certain he will be included when I evaluate my exhaust
>options in the future.
>
>Your thoughts, anyone?

I did a very simple muffler install. I cut off the old muffler/tailpipe
just in front of the muffler. Then I clamped on a 50 series Flowmaster
onto the end, then clamped on a mandrel-bent 45-degree pipe (as a
turn-down) on the back of the muffler. I hung it using a strap around the
existing hanger. Sounds great and a noticeable improvement in
power/torque. And, about 1.5 more MPG. Total cost: $71. Total time:
about two hours with "help" from our six-year old.

Danny

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:37:00 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust

pennhead wrote:
>
> Guys, with all this talk about custom exhaust systems and difficult
> installations, perhaps it might be high time to revisit the local muffler
> shop with the experienced exhaust man. There was a time, in my youth, when
> every vehicle I owned had newly installed headers run wide open across town
> to the muffler shop, where the man with the plan fabricated (from scratch) a
> complete dual exhaust system, starting with straight pipe, a bending
> machine, and the mufflers of my choice (usually cherry bombs or turbo
> mufflers). He also used clamps in lieu of welding, so it didn't have to be
> cut apart should you wish to modify something.
>
> Perhaps I'm just tripping down memory lane.
>
> I know things have changed under the trucks, but the need for experienced
> exhaust men has not. I have one here in town that wouldn't be afraid to
> tackle any job, I suspect... The same guy who installed all my exhausts all
> those years ago. I'm certain he will be included when I evaluate my exhaust
> options in the future.
>
> Your thoughts, anyone?
>

Pennhead,

It seems the better systems, Borla etc.., are easier to
install and have some R&D behind them to help increase HP,
torque, sound... I had put a Borla on my 97 F-150 4x4 by
the local muffler shop for $30.00 CDN. They could have
built me a system from stainless but it would have been
guess work and the cost would have been more than the
Borla. The Borla has a 1,000,000,000 mile warrantee.

I had the system replaced twice by Borla no questions
asked. The Muffler shop even wrote on the invoice that they
attempted to weld (for free, Borla was willing to pay for
it) before they replaced it. When the second muffler came I
put it on myself and saved the $30.00. It was easy and took
all of 20 minutes. Do not attempt this on a hot system. I
guess a combo of good quality products and a reputable shop
go hand in hand. The question remains do you want to pay
for your system or not.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:31:18 EDT
From: RSnovi

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Cat Back Exhaust

In a message dated 99-08-23 21:50:25 EDT, you write:

i had a guy that i have trusted many exhaust systems to over probably 5 yrs
do mine just in case we did run into something we needed to cut/ weld/ bend,
he is a master a bending. I saw him do a whole system on a Z 71 chevy in
under 2 hrs from scratch.

RS

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Guys, with all this talk about custom exhaust systems and difficult
installations, perhaps it might be high time to revisit the local muffler
shop with the experienced exhaust man. There was a time, in my youth, when
every vehicle I owned had newly installed headers run wide open across town
to the muffler shop, where the man with the plan fabricated (from scratch) a
complete dual exhaust system, starting with straight pipe, a bending
machine, and the mufflers of my choice (usually cherry bombs or turbo
mufflers). He also used clamps in lieu of welding, so it didn't have to be
cut apart should you wish to modify something.

Perhaps I'm just tripping down memory lane.

I know things have changed under the trucks, but the need for experienced
exhaust men has not. I have one here in town that wouldn't be afraid to
tackle any job, I suspect... The same guy who installed all my exhausts all
those years ago. I'm certain he will be included when I evaluate my exhaust
options in the future.

Your thoughts, anyone?

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:31:16 EDT
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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Headers for a PSD Q: Nathan

In a message dated 99-08-23 19:39:06 EDT, you write:

hello Nathan are you out there in for the part numbers one more time for
this guy on the Cat delete pipe....

RS

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Whats the part # for the cat delete pipe?

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Got a question for you technical guys out there. Does anyone make a
header for the 7.3 liter PSD? I was thinking about changing the exhaust
setup and or having some of the factory components jet-hot coated to
reduce the under hood temperature.

Any thoughts on if it's worth the trouble or not?

Thanks! Don

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