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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - pulls right on crowned roads
FTE 97up - 2000 Explorer
FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars
Re: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars
Re: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars
RE: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars
Re: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars
FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 Super Duty S/C
RE: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars
FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine
Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine
FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine
RE: FTE 97up - pulls right on crowned roads
Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine
Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine
RE: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:18:21 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - pulls right on crowned roads

Did you have Ford document the exact alignment specs that cured the
problem? If so, can you please tell club members what they are?

Thanks

- -Dean Baruffi


At 10:00 PM 8/17/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Norm,
>
>I have had a '95 and still have a '97 F-350 dually 2 WD. The both pulled.
>The very same situation. The service manager's truck, and one of the service
>tech.'s truck also. After no less than 4 trips to the dealership with the
>first one they misaligned the front end to compensate. From then on it went
>straight down the road as I thought it was supposed to. When I bought the
>'97 it was the same crap. I drove it home, called the dealership, and made
>an appointment to have the front end misaligned to the same specs as before.
>They were most cooperative, and this truck now also goes straight down the
>road. If there are any FORD engineers on this list, an explanation would be
>helpful. The front tires take a beating.
>
>Jim Menne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Norm Hurst
>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 9:50 AM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - pulls right on crowned roads
>
>Hi folks-
>
>Last month I bought a 97 F150 SC SB 4WD with 28000 miles. It's great
>except that it pulls to the right pretty hard, especially on crowned roads
>(roads higher in the middle). If I let go for more than a second I will be
>headed off the road. And the steering seems stiff, especially going
>straight ahead. If I drive on the left of a crowned road, it pulls left
>about the same. If I drive on an interstate (not crowned), it pulls right,
>but not as much. All this in 2WD mode.
>
>Is this something I should expect with a 4x4 suspension/etc/etc in 2WD
>mode? Or is the alignment just whacky?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Norm
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:33:51 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 Explorer

Just got our first 2000 Explorer in yesterday and no important changes.
Ford did just announce that the freshened 2001 Explorer Sport and Sport Trac
will begin production in January. No mention of four doors though.

Nathan Bernard
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:56:15 -0500
From: "Owens, Robbie A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars

I was planning on purchasing some Black ones for my reg cab. I looked on
another F150 that have them on it already and they bolted to the frame. I
was checking out the message board and everyone there says they bolt to the
body. I'm confused. Do they or do they not bolt to the frame? Is there
some kind of option you can get to get ones that do bolt to the frame
instead of the body? Also, do they just bolt right on to pre-existing holes
as claimed or is there some drilling required?

Thanks for the help everyone!
Rob Owens
Boeing Aerospace Operations
Buyer
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:29:01 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars

In a message dated 8/18/99 8:57:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Robby.Owens okc.boeing.com writes:

i have better built from cabelas catalog, they bolt into existing holes.


RS


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I was planning on purchasing some Black ones for my reg cab. I looked on
another F150 that have them on it already and they bolted to the frame. I
was checking out the message board and everyone there says they bolt to the
body. I'm confused. Do they or do they not bolt to the frame? Is there
some kind of option you can get to get ones that do bolt to the frame
instead of the body? Also, do they just bolt right on to pre-existing holes
as claimed or is there some drilling required?

Thanks for the help everyone!
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:34:50 EDT
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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars

I have the westin chrome bars on my 97, the supports bolt to pre-existing
holes. the ends of the bars actually attach to the body. These also make use
of pre-existing holes. Should take about 30-45 minutes to install. Good luck!

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Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars

They do come with installation instructions right?
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:29:19 EDT
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In a message dated 8/18/99 11:51:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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really dont even need instructions(they are provided) theres 3 bolt holes
that it mounts to and all you can screw up on is haveing it left to right and
the front and rear brackets are slightly different.

RS


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They do come with installation instructions right?
Rob Owens
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:42:28 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 Super Duty S/C

Just got in a F-250 S/C V-10 XLT. The back seat is like the GM/Dodge style
where the bottom cusion folds up to the top one. However it still seems as
good as the old for storage (except things sit on the floor instead of on
the steel shelf). The back is still fairly upright and it doesn't have the
huge amounts of padding that take up lots of space. All in all I'd say its
slightly more comfortable (less than GM) but is still the best S/C seat for
usage other than sitting. V-10 does seem to have more power, but it's not
broke in yet so hard to tell.

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:48:45 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Westin Nerf Bars

> In a message dated 8/18/99 11:51:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Robby.Owens okc.boeing.com writes:
>
> really dont even need instructions(they are provided) theres 3 bolt holes
> that it mounts to and all you can screw up on is haveing it left to right
> and
> the front and rear brackets are slightly different.
>
> RS
>
>
This brings up another question I had.

Years ago I put nerf bars on my wife's Rodeo.
They attached to the frame as well as the body.

This introduced a "connection" from the frame
to body that is normally cushioned by rubber
bushings. It also introduced terrible noises and
vibrations. We ended up scrapping them.

Have you noticed any negative effects like
this with adding nerf/step bars?

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:37:22 EDT
From: DEBJLBJMBB cs.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine

Wanting to know if there is anyone out there that is using their 1999 F250
SuperDuty for towing a pull type camper. I have the 5.4L V8 gas w/ 5spd
manual trans. and the 4.10 axles. It is a 4 X 4 supercab. The truck does not
seem to be able to hold its own on the interstate.
The trailor I'm pulling weighs 3740lbs. loaded per the weigh station that I
stopped at. The truck weighed in 7742lbs. nothing in the bed of the truck.
The sales brochure states that my truck should be able to tow a trailor of
9000lbs. I don't feel this would be true with the setup I am running in my
truck.
Would like know how other 5.4L V8 gas engines are doing in this model of
truck.


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:13:11 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine

Dave, your truck should pull just fine with those gears!
How fast are you pulling?
Do you still have the stock tires on the truck?
Gene

DEBJLBJMBB cs.com wrote:

> Wanting to know if there is anyone out there that is using their 1999 F250
> SuperDuty for towing a pull type camper. I have the 5.4L V8 gas w/ 5spd
> manual trans. and the 4.10 axles. It is a 4 X 4 supercab. The truck does not
> seem to be able to hold its own on the interstate.
> The trailor I'm pulling weighs 3740lbs. loaded per the weigh station that I
> stopped at. The truck weighed in 7742lbs. nothing in the bed of the truck.
> The sales brochure states that my truck should be able to tow a trailor of
> 9000lbs. I don't feel this would be true with the setup I am running in my
> truck.
> Would like know how other 5.4L V8 gas engines are doing in this model of
> truck.
>
>
> Thanks, Dave
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:18:09 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine -Reply

Well, I do not have a supercab or v-8 but my regular cab v-10 with auto flat tows my 2100 lb jeep loaded with all of
my tools and spare parts plus two kayaks, my dog, camping gear and firewood like it was'nt even there. I would
estimate my total load at around 3000 lbs as follows:

2100 lb jeep
150 lbs firewood
130 lb dog
100 lb wooden rack for kayaks
100 lb kayays/paddles life jackets etc...
300 lbs in tools, three boxes of tools with a large box of spare parts, 5 gallon oil can, two 5 gallon gas cans
100 lbs camping gear, tent 4 chairs, lanters 2 sleeping bags, bedrolls, three ice chests, cloths etc...

I can maintain 55-65 mph up a 6% grade in 3rd gear, I can do 65-75 if I want to rev to 4500 rpm in 2nd gear. I figure
this should give a close comparison to the v-10 auto except that your trailer probably has a lot more wind resistance
than my jeep at higher speeds.

My guess is that the big area presented by the trailer affects your performance at 55 and above more thatn the
weight of the trailer.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:51:26 -0400
From: CnC
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine

I have a F-150 with v-8 automatic and we haul (with a trailer package) a
2000 lb Casita travel trailer and it has a 300 pound hitch...........and it
travels like the firecrackers are pounding, just keeps on going, no hesition.


At 04:37 PM 8/18/99 -0400, DEBJLBJMBB cs.com wrote:
> Wanting to know if there is anyone out there that is using their 1999 F250
>SuperDuty for towing a pull type camper. I have the 5.4L V8 gas w/ 5spd
>manual trans. and the 4.10 axles. It is a 4 X 4 supercab. The truck does not
>seem to be able to hold its own on the interstate.
> The trailor I'm pulling weighs 3740lbs. loaded per the weigh station
that I
>stopped at. The truck weighed in 7742lbs. nothing in the bed of the truck.
>The sales brochure states that my truck should be able to tow a trailor of
>9000lbs. I don't feel this would be true with the setup I am running in my
>truck.
> Would like know how other 5.4L V8 gas engines are doing in this model of
>truck.
>
>
>Thanks, Dave
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:45:11 -0500
From: "James Menne"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - pulls right on crowned roads

Dean,

I will have to check into it.

Jim Menne

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Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 6:18 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - pulls right on crowned roads

Did you have Ford document the exact alignment specs that cured the
problem? If so, can you please tell club members what they are?

Thanks

- -Dean Baruffi


At 10:00 PM 8/17/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Norm,
>
>I have had a '95 and still have a '97 F-350 dually 2 WD. The both pulled.
>The very same situation. The service manager's truck, and one of the
service
>tech.'s truck also. After no less than 4 trips to the dealership with the
>first one they misaligned the front end to compensate. From then on it went
>straight down the road as I thought it was supposed to. When I bought the
>'97 it was the same crap. I drove it home, called the dealership, and made
>an appointment to have the front end misaligned to the same specs as
before.
>They were most cooperative, and this truck now also goes straight down the
>road. If there are any FORD engineers on this list, an explanation would be
>helpful. The front tires take a beating.
>
>Jim Menne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Norm Hurst
>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 9:50 AM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - pulls right on crowned roads
>
>Hi folks-
>
>Last month I bought a 97 F150 SC SB 4WD with 28000 miles. It's great
>except that it pulls to the right pretty hard, especially on crowned roads
>(roads higher in the middle). If I let go for more than a second I will be
>headed off the road. And the steering seems stiff, especially going
>straight ahead. If I drive on the left of a crowned road, it pulls left
>about the same. If I drive on an interstate (not crowned), it pulls right,
>but not as much. All this in 2WD mode.
>
>Is this something I should expect with a 4x4 suspension/etc/etc in 2WD
>mode? Or is the alignment just whacky?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Norm
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:28:43 -0400
From: "MStock56"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine -Reply

I drive a 1999 F-150, 4.6l, automatic, 3.55LS,S/C, Longbed. I regularly pull
a 29' pull trailer. I have had no real problem pulling up or down various
terrains. I think that you have a problem with your particular
truck.BTW...the trailer loaded for camping trips weighs 7200lbs.
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Subject: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine -Reply


> Well, I do not have a supercab or v-8 but my regular cab v-10 with auto
flat tows my 2100 lb jeep loaded with all of




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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:33:22 -0700
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine

I have a 99 SD CC 2x4 with the 5.4L V-8, (5500 miles) automatic and 3.73
gears. I pull a boat and trailer that weighs 3900 lbs.. It does a great
job of maintaining the highway speed on flat ground. When I start up into
the mountains I have to lock out overdrive. I travel some very curvy
stretches of road that have 5-7 grades when returning to my residence and
second gear is a must! It does have some trouble picking up speed after
coming out of the corners. There are times I wish I had ordered the diesel.

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:52:36 PDT
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine

Your truck and mine sound identical, (but mine is a standard cab) and mine
has no trouble with my 16 foot, tandem axle trailer, with the front end
loader tractor on it.
(about 5800 lbs last time I weighed it)

You might not see much of fifth gear, and you will not win drag races, but
you will get there.

Have fun

Frank


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:15:21 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine -Reply

Man! That's some hefty dog!

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of GEORGE CROLL
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:18 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailor towing w/F250 V8 gas engine -Reply


Well, I do not have a supercab or v-8 but my regular cab v-10 with auto flat
tows my 2100 lb jeep loaded with all of
my tools and spare parts plus two kayaks, my dog, camping gear and firewood
like it was'nt even there. I would
estimate my total load at around 3000 lbs as follows:

2100 lb jeep
150 lbs firewood
130 lb dog
100 lb wooden rack for kayaks
100 lb kayays/paddles life jackets etc...
300 lbs in tools, three boxes of tools with a large box of spare parts, 5
gallon oil can, two 5 gallon gas cans
100 lbs camping gear, tent 4 chairs, lanters 2 sleeping bags, bedrolls,
three ice chests, cloths etc...

I can maintain 55-65 mph up a 6% grade in 3rd gear, I can do 65-75 if I want
to rev to 4500 rpm in 2nd gear. I figure
this should give a close comparison to the v-10 auto except that your
....


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