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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Tires on F-250 Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt AND OXYGEN SENSORS
Re: FTE 97up - 99 f-150 question
Re: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt
Re: FTE 97up - 99 f-150 question
RE: FTE 97up - F250SD boat/truck?
Re: FTE 97up - question?????/
RE: FTE 97up - question?????/
FTE 97up - 2000 F-250's arriving.
RE: FTE 97up - F250SD boat/truck?
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250's arriving.
FTE 97up - Serpentine belt chirping
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250's arriving.

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:13:49 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Tires on F-250 Super Duty

There is a TSB out that addresses this problem with 2 piece driveshafts.


Mike Strukel

- -----Original Message-----
From: RAMWORKER aol.com [mailto:RAMWORKER aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 5:16 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tires on F-250 Super Duty


He means the carrier bearing for the two piece driveshaft. The vibration he
refers to is known in brand "D" circles as "launch shudder." It is sometimes
"fixed" by replacing the two piece driveshaft with a one piece. He might
repair
his by using a spacer block to lower the carrier bearing and restore (or at
least
get close to) his original pinion angle settings.

Best Regards,
Robert



In a message dated 8/15/99 4:15:44 PM Central Daylight Time, RSnovi aol.com
writes:

> carrier bearing shouldn't have anything to do with it since it is on the
> sides on chunk, maybe you mean pinion bearing or u joint angle is more
than
> normal.
>
>
> RS
>
> Date: 99-08-15 14:33:02 EDT
> From: BIGDAAG aol.com
> Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
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>
> I had a couple of questions about my last post, so I'll try to
answer
> them. Nathan, I have a 3.73 rear end without ABS. And Vaughn, I have
the
> Weld Scorpio rims with BFG 35X12.5 AT's. The rims are 16.5 X 9.75. The

> front of the truck is lifted 4.5 inches. The back is lifted 2 inches.
I
> seem to have plenty of room for the tires, they haven't rubbed yet. The

> only
> complaint I have, is a slight vibration in the rear end if I give it a
lot
> of
> gas at takeoff. From what I have been told, the vibration only occurs
in
> crew cab models because of the carrier bearing. If anyone has more info

> about this, please let me know.
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:52:40 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt AND OXYGEN SENSORS

My 97 4.6L has 4 oxygen sensors. 3 were replaced at 50,000miles.

Chris


>From: MHooper201 aol.com
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt AND OXYGEN SENSORS
>Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:27:18 EDT
>
>My 98 F150 now has 23,000 on it; the belt still squeals like hell. In
>the morning, humid or when its cool. Have been back to the dealer on
>seven occasions; at first they replaced the idler pulley - now they just
>tell
>me they don't notice the problem. So the next cold morning, I'll be
>sitting at the dealer (inside) and allow the belt to squeal like hell -
>then
>have them tell me they cannot duplicate the problem... I like many of you
>thought I had a decent service department.
>
>Anyone out there having a problem with lack of power (especially w/
>the AC on), rough idle? I have narrowed this (unable to duplicate
>problem) down to oxygen sensors (supposedly the 4.6 has two). One
>sensor which is very easy to change (which I made them do) and one
>which takes approx 3 and 1/2 hours to change. comments plse
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:00:16 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 f-150 question

Bill, one thing that concerns me is that the 1999 Ford Truck brochure
states that 4x2 pickups with the sport package come with: 275x60x17 tires
not 275x70x16. And 4x4's with the sport package come with 275x70x17 (I
think). I cannot understand why you got 16" wheel with the sport package
on a 4x2.

Did Ford change their wheel and tire combo for the sport package?

I'm interested because when I ordered my 2000 F-150, 4x2, SC, auto, 5.4L, I
made them look in the order book to make sure it will come with the
275x60x17 tires. I had 2 truck order experts tell me: yes, you will get
the 275x60x17 tires and aluminum wheels.

- -Dean



\At 09:42 PM 8/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
>i have a 99 f-150 4x2 4.6L v-8 3.55 reg axle supercab, 4 spd auto. it
has
>the sport package(p275 70R16 tires). i am in oklahoma city in the
military.
>my wife and i drove back to her home in omaha nebr. the highway speeds up
>I-35, and so on are between 70-75, lower in construction zones of course.
>anyway, the tires have shorter sidewalls and a wider tread width. i hear
>this is better for traction. but the problem is, that when i am driving on
>the interstate highway, when i hit a bump, the rearend jumps side to side.
>almost like the sidewalls are flexing. it doesn't strike me as being very
>safe to have a vehicle like this, especially a truck.
>
>i'm not sure if this is normal for a truck with these sport tires, but i'm
>not sure because i've never owned a truck with a sport package.
>
>i also tow a 17' Glassmate fishing boat. it might weigh 3500(just a
guess),
>boat and trailer. the 4.6L engine seems kind of overworked. it's like it
>revs real high between gear changes. this is my first boat and first time
>towing something with a new truck.
>
>if anyone has any comments, i would greatly appreciate them.
>
>thanks for your time
>Bill
>TRITON46L aol.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:26:46 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt

I had the exact problem with a 1995 F-150, 302 v8, 5sp. On humid days the
thing would chirp like crazy. It turned out to be the bearing in the belt
tensioner (spring loaded pulley that puts correct tension on the belt). I
had Ford replace it and chirp went away for about 1 year. Then, you guessed
it, the chirp was back. The bearing went out again.

hope this helps

- -Dean Baruffi


At 02:54 PM 8/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Andrew Chung
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 2:31 PM
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt
>
>No it's not that loud. It's a chirp, chirp, chirp, sounds like bearings but
>once the vehicle warms up it goes away. Also it is much worse when the air
>is very humid, as in the morning. I guess I'll cross my fingers and see
>what the last 12,000 miles of my warranty brings. A new belt makes it go
>away completely. It sounds great now, and that was what happened the first
>time around. At least I have it on record with the dealer. I used to think
>this dealer had a decent service dept. but after this and another incident
>when I asked them if the speedo could be calibrated and they said no ( I
>have since found that it should be capable of being calibrated), I am not so
>sure they are up to speed.
>
>Stephen
>
>>WHen you say loud, is it really
>> loud? My father's noise you could hear through the walls on a second
>story
>> house when he left.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Mike Fairleigh
>> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 10:49
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt
>>
>>
>> '98 F-150 SC 4.6L 4x2, 18,000 miles, not a sound from the belt. Your
>> situation is NOT normal, IMHO.
>>
>> For what it's worth, we also have an '88 Plymouth Grand Voyager with a
>> serpentine belt on the 3.0L Mitsubishi V6. We had put about 50,000 miles
>on
>> it and I changed the belt as preventative maintenance (the original belt
>was
>> perfectly quiet and was working fine). It immediately squealed something
>> terrible. Since nothing else had changed, it had to be a defective belt,
>> right? So I exchanged it. Still squealed. Nobody could figure it out.
>> For reasons I can't remember now, I bought a new alternator pulley from
>the
>> dealer and put it on. Not a sound since, and the belt has been replaced
>> again since then. I have no explanation.
>>
>> Mike Fairleigh
>> mikef sky.net
>> ...Always remembering our veterans.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mitchell
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 7:35 AM
>> Subject: FTE 97up - Serpentine Belt
>>
>>
>> > The serpentine belt on my 98 F150, 4.6L, V8, was replaced by the dealer
>at
>> > 12,000 miles and now at 25,000 miles. What prompted me to bring it in
>was
>> > an intermittent loud squealing noise every morning.
>>
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:14:08 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 f-150 question

Hey Dean, sure you want 17" wheels. i have them on my 97 4x4 F-150 ORP. I
just bought tires this past week and had to order them. You will have a hard
time getting a new one quickly if need be. That is why I am going to keep the
old tires in case I ever need to put one on.

Jeff
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:19:34 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F250SD boat/truck?

Steve O. wrote

> Recipe for disaster!
>
> Once, in my slightly younger and crazier days, I tried the same trick. I
> was driving a 4x4 that was not a Ford, 'nuff said. The truck was lifted
> and had a very high-placed air intake to begin with, right where hood
> meets
> grille. [snip]
>
>
I saw the same thing happen (more than once) to several Toyota
Pick-ups circa 1988-89. They
introduced a new air intake system (we called it "water injection").
One good wave
to the grill and good bye engine. I saw one where the rods actually
busted
out from the block! Water definitely won't compress. Steve, I grew
up just
North of you in Franklin MA, we used to have an off-road club.
(speaking
of younger and crazier days) I can tell you some stories
of damaged trucks...

Steve D.
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:23:46 -0700
From: denton sprague
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question?????/

If I got my gist right, on one episode of Shadetree Mechanic, they stated the
purpose of an EGR valve is to allow a small amount of exhaust gas into the
combustion chambers to slightly lower combustion temp, lowering emissions and
improving fuel economy, etc.


TRITON46L aol.com wrote:

> i have a question about the EGR valve and PCV valve. what's the difference?
> i've been told that the egr valve recirculates "used" fuel back into the
> intake to get reburned. i have been told that the pcv valve returns excess
> oil to the intake to get burned up. i don't think it's true about the pcv
> valve, but i'm not sure.
>
> any help would be appreciated
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:58:23 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - question?????/

I'm not a mechanic (standard disclaimer), but from
what I (think I) know...

PCV= positive crankcase ventilation
This takes air from the top of a valve cover,
and sucks it up with some of your carburetor
vacuum (well, used to be carburetor) thus creating
a flow from the other valve cover (there usually is
some inlet provided). This whole system creates
a flow of air throughout the crankcase.

EGR= exhaust gas recycle or recirculation

This is the principle technique used for
the control of spark ignition NOx
emissions. A small amount of exhaust gases
are recycled through a control valve from the
exhaust to the engine intake system. The
recycled gas is usually mixed with a fresh fuel/air mixture
just below the throttle valve.

To reduce the formation of NOX gases, the
combustion temps must be kept below the
NOX threshold. So your right, it really just
keeps the combustion temperature lower.

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> ----------
> From: denton sprague[SMTP:denton oregontrail.net]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:23 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question?????/
>
> If I got my gist right, on one episode of Shadetree Mechanic, they stated
> the
> purpose of an EGR valve is to allow a small amount of exhaust gas into the
> combustion chambers to slightly lower combustion temp, lowering emissions
> and
> improving fuel economy, etc.
>
>
> TRITON46L aol.com wrote:
>
> > i have a question about the EGR valve and PCV valve. what's the
> difference?
> > i've been told that the egr valve recirculates "used" fuel back into
> the
> > intake to get reburned. i have been told that the pcv valve returns
> excess
> > oil to the intake to get burned up. i don't think it's true about the
> pcv
> > valve, but i'm not sure.
> >
> > any help would be appreciated
> >
> > Bill
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:26:28 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250's arriving.

I just got my firs F-250 Super Duty in today. Doesn't look like a lot of
changes, floor mats aren't anything special, their still using the dull
wheels on XLT's, 4x4 emblems are different. The Power Stroke now says 235HP
on the valve cover instead of 250, truck seems to run better, but it's
probably my imagination. I have yet to recieve a gasoline powered SD or a
Lariat to check out the new wheels.

Nathan


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:47:38 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F250SD boat/truck?

>Steve O. wrote
>
>> Recipe for disaster!

Steve D. wrote:

> I saw the same thing happen (more than once) to several Toyota
>Pick-ups circa 1988-89. They
> introduced a new air intake system (we called it "water injection").
>One good wave
> to the grill and good bye engine. I saw one where the rods actually
>busted
> out from the block! Water definitely won't compress.


Okay, I'll come clean, it was a Toyota. But it was an '85. As I stated
before, it was lifted: 4" plus 32" tires (28" stock) so it was reasonably
high. Nope, water doesn't compress. I still have that rod out in the shop
in a drawer somewhere....

I did a heck of a lot of offroading with that truck, in the West Greenwich
RI area, and aside from crunching the sheetmetal below the front bumper
("air dam" in car lingo) while climbing hills, it survived serious abuse
unscathed. Very tough truck, if a bit underpowered, but in 4WD low range
it was about as unstoppable as any Jeep. The only damage it ever sustained
in the 96K miles before it was stolen was the water incident, which
happened on public roads.

I harbor no notions of doing the same sorts of things with my current
truck, '97 F-250HD 4x4 (old style).


Steve O.
soffiler ici.net

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:02:24 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250's arriving.

Thanks , standing by here!
Gene

Union Auto wrote:

> I just got my firs F-250 Super Duty in today. Doesn't look like a lot of
> changes, floor mats aren't anything special, their still using the dull
> wheels on XLT's, 4x4 emblems are different. The Power Stroke now says 235HP
> on the valve cover instead of 250, truck seems to run better, but it's
> probably my imagination. I have yet to recieve a gasoline powered SD or a
> Lariat to check out the new wheels.
>
> Nathan
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:47:22 -0500
From: "Gene Woelfel"
Subject: FTE 97up - Serpentine belt chirping

One other thing it might be the water pump, a couple of years ago I had a 87
F250 6.9L diesel, whenever it was first started you'd hera the chirp, chirp
sound. This went on about 2 or 3 months with me thinking that it was a
loose belt that I just couldn't get tight.
I was driving up a incline in third and then shifted into 4 th when all of a
sudden it felt like the motor mounts had broken. I pulled to the side and
opened the hood and couldnt see anything wrong and no radiator fluid was
leaking. I re started the motor and it sounded and felt like it was fixing
to fly apart, I shut it down and looked under the hood and now the radiator
fluid was pouring out. When the water pump bearings went out (that chirping
sound), a total of three belts crossed the water pump pully and when it
locked up it really caused vibrations and shaking. So if you've never
replaced the water pump you might check it out.

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:59:53 PDT
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250's arriving.

I saw a 2000 V10 4X4 Lariat cab and a half yesterday, The guy took delivery
in Maine, and I saw him in Schoharie NY, His wife had just finished her
first nine miles, and she looked tired. The truck had 430 Miles on it, He
had done 415. The wheels were much nicer than my 99 XLT Wheels....I am so
Jealous.

Frank


>From: "Union Auto"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "Ford Truck list"
>Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250's arriving.
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:26:28 -0500
>
>I just got my firs F-250 Super Duty in today. Doesn't look like a lot of
>changes, floor mats aren't anything special, their still using the dull....


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