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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Changing gears
FTE 97up - Fuel Milage
FTE 97up - Re: fuel filter change
FTE 97up - '97 Factory Molded Running Boards (Cab Steps)
Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears
Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears
Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears
Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears
FTE 97up - '97 Factory Molded Running Boards (Cab Steps) -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - '97 Factory Molded Running Boards (Cab Steps) -Re ply
Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears
RE: FTE 97up - Fuel Milage
RE: FTE 97up - mileage PSD, fuel drain?
RE: FTE 97up - Changing gears
RE: FTE 97up - Changing gears
RE: FTE 97up - Changing gears
FTE 97up - 2000 Super Duty pricing
FTE 97up - "Super" Duty?
FTE 97up - auto tranny slipping?
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Milage
Re: FTE 97up - auto tranny slipping?
FTE 97up - What's new in Super Duty trucks in 2000
FTE 97up - Spare Tire, ETC

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:47:02 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: FTE 97up - Changing gears

I have a 97 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 LS gears, K&N airfilter, Magnaflow
exhaust, and a Superchip. I also put on some 285/75/16 size tires which
calculate to be about 32.8" X 11.2" tires. I have noticed a significant
loss of low end torque, which was expected. If I were to change my gear
ratio, what should I go with, 3.73 or 4.10? Should I change it? Would the
3.73's give me any noticeable difference or would my only option be 4.10 to
gain some of my driveability(power) back? Has anyone changed their gears?
If so, what did you chang them to and how much did it decrease you gas
mileage by and what was your RPM's at around 60mph? Does anyone have a
different idea for gaining some more horses to compensate for the bigger
tires? Moderately priced of course. I don't want to put on a blower, WAY
to much money for such small gains(dollars to horse power ratio). Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Chris


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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 05:50:44 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel Milage

Ok, lets start comparing.

I usually get between 17 to 18 mpg (thats calculated, not the overhead
gauge).

Setup:
99 Crewcab, PSD, 6-Speed, 4x4, Long box (no toneau, Tailgate up!),
265/75-16s (set to factory air recommendations), Lariat (Running boards),
Factory mudflaps(4) and elephant mirrors.
aside from this its stock.

I drive combination miles 74 to/from work usually 75-80 each way.

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:56:44 -0700
From: RICK KANE
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: fuel filter change

If you have the Ford service manual, just throw it away and follow the
instructions packed in the Racor filter and it's a 5 minute piece of
cake!
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:02:24 -0500
From: "Owens, Robbie A"
Subject: FTE 97up - '97 Factory Molded Running Boards (Cab Steps)

I sent one message out a few days ago and only got one response so I thought
I would sent another one.

Does anyone have any kind of installation instructions for installing the
subject cab steps? I have called all the dealers and no one can help. I
have a set sitting in my garage with all the parts but don't know how to
install them. I have an idea how but there are other parts that I don't
know what to do with and I thought they would just bolt on being from Ford
but I don't think they do.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks everyone!!!
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Boeing Aerospace Operations
Buyer
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:05:48 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears

Christian Bagley wrote:
>
> I have a 97 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 LS gears, K&N airfilter, Magnaflow
> exhaust, and a Superchip. I also put on some 285/75/16 size tires which
> calculate to be about 32.8" X 11.2" tires. I have noticed a significant
> loss of low end torque, which was expected. If I were to change my gear
> ratio, what should I go with, 3.73 or 4.10? Should I change it? Would the
> 3.73's give me any noticeable difference or would my only option be 4.10 to
> gain some of my driveability(power) back? Has anyone changed their gears?
> If so, what did you chang them to and how much did it decrease you gas
> mileage by and what was your RPM's at around 60mph? Does anyone have a
> different idea for gaining some more horses to compensate for the bigger
> tires? Moderately priced of course. I don't want to put on a blower, WAY
> to much money for such small gains(dollars to horse power ratio). Any help
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Chris
>
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Chris,

I would get the 4.10 gears. The difference between the
3.73 and 4.10 is about 10%. The extra power put to the road
with the 4.10 is worth it. You will have to know which rear
end you have to price the gears. Your front is an 8.8 inch
but the rear will be a 9.75 inch if you have the 5.4
engine. The 4.6 has an 8.8 rear. BTW the 8.8 gears are
easier to find.

Regards

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:18:47 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears

Jean Marc,

How much of a difference in gas mileage would there be changing to a 4.10
gear? I have the 4.6 8.8 rear & front so, if I decide to get the gears,
hopefully I will not have a difficult time getting them.

Chris


>From: Jean Marc Chartier
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:05:48 -0400
>
>Christian Bagley wrote:
> >
> > I have a 97 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 LS gears, K&N airfilter, Magnaflow
> > exhaust, and a Superchip. I also put on some 285/75/16 size tires which
> > calculate to be about 32.8" X 11.2" tires. I have noticed a significant
> > loss of low end torque, which was expected. If I were to change my gear
> > ratio, what should I go with, 3.73 or 4.10? Should I change it? Would
>the
> > 3.73's give me any noticeable difference or would my only option be 4.10
>to
> > gain some of my driveability(power) back? Has anyone changed their
>gears?
> > If so, what did you chang them to and how much did it decrease you gas
> > mileage by and what was your RPM's at around 60mph? Does anyone have a
> > different idea for gaining some more horses to compensate for the bigger
> > tires? Moderately priced of course. I don't want to put on a blower,
>WAY
> > to much money for such small gains(dollars to horse power ratio). Any
>help
> > would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Chris
> >
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>Chris,
>
> I would get the 4.10 gears. The difference between the
>3.73 and 4.10 is about 10%. The extra power put to the road
>with the 4.10 is worth it. You will have to know which rear
>end you have to price the gears. Your front is an 8.8 inch
>but the rear will be a 9.75 inch if you have the 5.4
>engine. The 4.6 has an 8.8 rear. BTW the 8.8 gears are
>easier to find.
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:25:44 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears

Chris it's just a math game.

To calculate your RPM's at 60 MPH do the following:

((Wheel diameter in inches ) * PI ) / 12 = wheel circumference in feet.

5280 / (wheel circumference in feet) = tire revolutions per mile

tire revolutions per mile * gear ratio = RPM's at 60 MPH

for your 32.8" tires that comes out to : 2183 RPM's in third gear (1:1 ratio)
1528 RPM's in 4th
(1:.7 ratio)

if you went to 4:10 gears your RPM's will go up (4.10/3.55 * 2183) = 2521

(4.10/3.55 * 1528) = 1764

Note: PI = 3.14159265


Things to keep in mind:
1. your static diameter of your current tires in less the 32.8". Use a
ruler to get the exact diameter.
2. There will be some transmission slippage so the RPM's of the engine will
be higher.

I had my gears replaced on my 1996 IMPALA SS. $250 for parts, $300 for labor.
I went from 3.08's to 3.73's. Ideal for this car.

Your gas mileage my go up with numerically higher gears. You won't be on
the throttle as much keeping a constant speed, because you will be closer
to the power band.

In my opinion, I wouldn't waste the money going to 3.73's. You will no
notice much of a difference. The 4.10's will definitely help! Crusing at
1700 RPM's at 60 MPH is fine.

just my $.03

- -Dean




At 08:47 AM 8/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I have a 97 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 LS gears, K&N airfilter, Magnaflow
>exhaust, and a Superchip. I also put on some 285/75/16 size tires which
>calculate to be about 32.8" X 11.2" tires. I have noticed a significant
>loss of low end torque, which was expected. If I were to change my gear
>ratio, what should I go with, 3.73 or 4.10? Should I change it? Would the
>3.73's give me any noticeable difference or would my only option be 4.10 to
>gain some of my driveability(power) back? Has anyone changed their gears?
>If so, what did you chang them to and how much did it decrease you gas
>mileage by and what was your RPM's at around 60mph? Does anyone have a
>different idea for gaining some more horses to compensate for the bigger
>tires? Moderately priced of course. I don't want to put on a blower, WAY
>to much money for such small gains(dollars to horse power ratio). Any help
>would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Chris
>
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:44:19 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears

Dean,

Very very informative. Thanks. I remember that good ol circumference
equation back in school. I didn't do much of those calculations in my
computer science classes though(I majored in Computer Science), but we did
in Physics.

Anyway, that sounds pretty good for the difference in RPM's I can definitely
live with that. Right now my tach is reading about 1400 RPM's at 60 so 300
more won't hurt me any. Now, if I decide to get the gears, does anyone know
where I can get them for a REALLY good price? I have the 4x4, so
unfortunately I have to replace two sets. Thanks for all the great info.

Chris


>From: Dean Baruffi
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:25:44 -0400
>
>Chris it's just a math game.
>
>To calculate your RPM's at 60 MPH do the following:
>
>((Wheel diameter in inches ) * PI ) / 12 = wheel circumference in feet.
>
>5280 / (wheel circumference in feet) = tire revolutions per mile
>
>tire revolutions per mile * gear ratio = RPM's at 60 MPH
>
>for your 32.8" tires that comes out to : 2183 RPM's in third gear (1:1
>ratio)
> 1528 RPM's in 4th
>(1:.7 ratio)
>
>if you went to 4:10 gears your RPM's will go up (4.10/3.55 * 2183) = 2521
>
>(4.10/3.55 * 1528) = 1764
>
>Note: PI = 3.14159265
>
>
>Things to keep in mind:
>1. your static diameter of your current tires in less the 32.8". Use a
>ruler to get the exact diameter.
>2. There will be some transmission slippage so the RPM's of the engine will
>be higher.
>
>I had my gears replaced on my 1996 IMPALA SS. $250 for parts, $300 for
>labor.
>I went from 3.08's to 3.73's. Ideal for this car.
>
>Your gas mileage my go up with numerically higher gears. You won't be on
>the throttle as much keeping a constant speed, because you will be closer
>to the power band.
>
>In my opinion, I wouldn't waste the money going to 3.73's. You will no
>notice much of a difference. The 4.10's will definitely help! Crusing at
>1700 RPM's at 60 MPH is fine.
>
>just my $.03
>
>-Dean
>
>
>
>
>At 08:47 AM 8/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >I have a 97 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 LS gears, K&N airfilter, Magnaflow
> >exhaust, and a Superchip. I also put on some 285/75/16 size tires which
> >calculate to be about 32.8" X 11.2" tires. I have noticed a significant
> >loss of low end torque, which was expected. If I were to change my gear
> >ratio, what should I go with, 3.73 or 4.10? Should I change it? Would
>the
> >3.73's give me any noticeable difference or would my only option be 4.10
>to
> >gain some of my driveability(power) back? Has anyone changed their
>gears?
> >If so, what did you chang them to and how much did it decrease you gas
> >mileage by and what was your RPM's at around 60mph? Does anyone have a
> >different idea for gaining some more horses to compensate for the bigger
> >tires? Moderately priced of course. I don't want to put on a blower,
>WAY
> >to much money for such small gains(dollars to horse power ratio). Any
>help
> >would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Chris
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:38:40 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - '97 Factory Molded Running Boards (Cab Steps) -Reply

I assume you have grey/black runing boards from the factory. If you do you should have some 90 defree angles
which bolt to the bottom of the running boards and end up pointing straight up. These bolt to the cab. If I remember
correctly there will be four holes in each 90 degree angle to bolt to the cab. You only use three of the holes when
installing these steps. the top two and only one each at the botom. When I removed mine I also was surprised by
this and think it might be the cause of your confusionand/concern that there are not the correct holes to mount the
running boards. Mine were factory installed so I think it is correct.

Let me know if this helps..
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:15:39 -0500
From: "Owens, Robbie A"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - '97 Factory Molded Running Boards (Cab Steps) -Re ply

Well mine are painted Red to match to color of the truck. They are not just
the step and brackets you're talking about (I think). Mine are molded to
look like a sort of body kit effect of the truck although it only fits from
behind the front wheel to the end of my reg-cab. I have these metal, angled
shim like things too and I can't figure out where they go either. I'll look
again as to what you said because it has to be the same concept right? I
would think so.
Thanks for your help and response. Appreciated!
Rob Owens
Boeing Aerospace Operations
Buyer
Navy E-6 Program
405-739-4874

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> -Reply
>
> I assume you have grey/black runing boards from the factory. If you do
> you should have some 90 defree angles
> which bolt to the bottom of the running boards and end up pointing
> straight up. These bolt to the cab. If I remember
> correctly there will be four holes in each 90 degree angle to bolt to the
> cab. You only use three of the holes when
> installing these steps. the top two and only one each at the botom. When
> I removed mine I also was surprised by
> this and think it might be the cause of your confusionand/concern that
> there are not the correct holes to mount the
> running boards. Mine were factory installed so I think it is correct.
>
> Let me know if this helps..
> George Croll
> EPA-OAR-ARD
> (202)564-0162
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:14:50 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears

Chris;

For starters try these:
Reider Racing
West Coast Differentials
Randy's Ring and Pinion
(all have websites and informative ones

All three are pretty knowledgable and helpful on the phone. They all carry
the shim kits, bearings and whatever else you will need. I'm sure you are
aware that swapping out the gears is not generally considered a DIYf job.
That I feel is mainly most folks don't have the patience and the measurment
`tools to do the job right. At the same time, I have trouble finding people
tthat I can pay and have them do the job right the first time.

Good Luck

John G

One thing you did not address which might complicate things a tad. Do you
have limited slip in your rear differential? I have seen 4x4's without them
but never could figure out why. For me that would be a mandatory
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:19:33 -0500
From: Dmoore dmoore.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Fuel Milage

Scott - Now I had heard them called "dumbo" mirrors but I think I like your
"elephant" mirrors - better.

David

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Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel Milage


Ok, lets start comparing.

I usually get between 17 to 18 mpg (thats calculated, not the overhead
gauge).

Setup:
99 Crewcab, PSD, 6-Speed, 4x4, Long box (no toneau, Tailgate up!),
265/75-16s (set to factory air recommendations), Lariat (Running boards),
Factory mudflaps(4) and elephant mirrors.
aside from this its stock.

I drive combination miles 74 to/from work usually 75-80 each way.

Scott.


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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:20:27 -0500
From: Dmoore dmoore.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - mileage PSD, fuel drain?

No... Mine is 4x4 also... sorry - forgot to mention that.

david

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In a message dated 99-08-04 01:07:41 EDT, you write:


must be that non 4x4 making a tad bit of difference, i probably think i
could
get close to 400 on a tank on all road driveing.

RS


Date: 99-08-04 01:07:41 EDT
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Here is mine - I drive a 99 F250SD CC PSD - the average is 16.5mpg. I
usually get about 425 to 450 miles per tank.

Odom Gals Price Paid Price/Gal Miles MPG
68
543 26.86 $25.49 0.95 475 17.68
945 23.72 $21.09 0.89 402 16.95
1391 27.22 $26.10 0.96 446 16.39
1796 25.07 $27.56 1.10 405 16.15
2231 27.691 $27.11 0.98 435 15.71
2668 26.95 $25.31 0.94 437 16.22
3108 27.62 $27.07 0.98 440 15.93
3522 24.94 $23.94 0.96 414 16.60
3956 25.284 $22.76 0.90 434 17.17
4363 23.632 $21.48 0.91 407 17.22
4835 27.244 $24.49 0.90 472 17.32
5313 26.67 $25.57 0.96 478 17.92
5782 25.54 $24.75 0.97 469 18.36
6203 24.893 $24.87 1.00 421 16.91
6614 24.19 $24.17 1.00 411 16.99
7030 25.91 $25.62 0.99 416 16.06
7423 23.51 $23.25 0.99 393 16.72
7766 20 $19.78 0.99 343 17.15
8128 20.22 $20.00 0.99 362 17.90
8585 27.02 $27.00 1.00 457 16.91
9014 25.173 $24.14 0.96 429 17.04
9324 18.48 $18.46 1.00 310 16.77
9708 23.27 $23.25 1.00 384 16.50
10140 25.7 $25.67 1.00 432 16.81
10466 20.45 $20.44 1.00 326 15.94
10824 21.1 $20.00 0.95 358 16.97
11234 24.02 $24.00 1.00 410 17.07
11685 26.23 $28.83 1.10 451 17.19
12103 25.3 $26.29 1.04 418 16.52
12542 22.9 $22.88 1.00 439 19.17
12931 22.608 $24.39 1.08 389 17.21
13374 25.76 $25.73 1.00 443 17.20
13773 22.4 $21.93 0.98 399 17.81
14169 25.6 $26.85 1.05 396 15.47
14607 25.75 $25.72 1.00 438 17.01
14907 18.154 $18.14 1.00 300 16.53

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Subject: FTE 97up - mileage PSD, fuel drain?


Here is my numbers from trip i thought i would see how far PSD/4x4 F250SD
w/
29 gal. tank would go. w/ approx 250 lbs in bed.

364 miles till low fuel light indicated

Filled at 367 miles

filled up with 23.2 gallons

that gives a 15.818965 MPG
with most all highway and some town slowdown, cruising at 70-80
whats everyone else getting, who is checkin?

where exactly is the fuel drain release located on 99F250SD PSD? I looked
today when I was changeing oil, but i sure dont see it....

thanks
Ross Smith
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:22:50 -0500
From: Dmoore dmoore.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Changing gears

Try this site on gear ratios:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/tfts/calc.htm



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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears


Dean,

Very very informative. Thanks. I remember that good ol circumference
equation back in school. I didn't do much of those calculations in my
computer science classes though(I majored in Computer Science), but we did
in Physics.

Anyway, that sounds pretty good for the difference in RPM's I can definitely
live with that. Right now my tach is reading about 1400 RPM's at 60 so 300
more won't hurt me any. Now, if I decide to get the gears, does anyone know
where I can get them for a REALLY good price? I have the 4x4, so
unfortunately I have to replace two sets. Thanks for all the great info.

Chris


>From: Dean Baruffi
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changing gears
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:25:44 -0400
>
>Chris it's just a math game.
>
>To calculate your RPM's at 60 MPH do the following:
>
>((Wheel diameter in inches ) * PI ) / 12 = wheel circumference in feet.
>
>5280 / (wheel circumference in feet) = tire revolutions per mile
>
>tire revolutions per mile * gear ratio = RPM's at 60 MPH
>
>for your 32.8" tires that comes out to : 2183 RPM's in third gear (1:1
>ratio)
> 1528 RPM's in 4th
>(1:.7 ratio)
>
>if you went to 4:10 gears your RPM's will go up (4.10/3.55 * 2183) = 2521
>
>(4.10/3.55 * 1528) = 1764
>
>Note: PI = 3.14159265
>
>
>Things to keep in mind:
>1. your static diameter of your current tires in less the 32.8". Use a
>ruler to get the exact diameter.
>2. There will be some transmission slippage so the RPM's of the engine will
>be higher.
>
>I had my gears replaced on my 1996 IMPALA SS. $250 for parts, $300 for
>labor.
>I went from 3.08's to 3.73's. Ideal for this car.
>
>Your gas mileage my go up with numerically higher gears. You won't be on
>the throttle as much keeping a constant speed, because you will be closer
>to the power band.
>
>In my opinion, I wouldn't waste the money going to 3.73's. You will no
>notice much of a difference. The 4.10's will definitely help! Crusing at
>1700 RPM's at 60 MPH is fine.
>
>just my $.03
>
>-Dean
>
>
>
>
>At 08:47 AM 8/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >I have a 97 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 LS gears, K&N airfilter, Magnaflow
> >exhaust, and a Superchip. I also put on some 285/75/16 size tires which
> >calculate to be about 32.8" X 11.2" tires. I have noticed a significant
> >loss of low end torque, which was expected. If I were to change my gear
> >ratio, what should I go with, 3.73 or 4.10? Should I change it? Would
>the
> >3.73's give me any noticeable difference or would my only option be 4.10
>to
> >gain some of my driveability(power) back? Has anyone changed their
>gears?
> >If so, what did you chang them to and how much did it decrease you gas
> >mileage by and what was your RPM's at around 60mph? Does anyone have a
> >different idea for gaining some more horses to compensate for the bigger
> >tires? Moderately priced of course. I don't want to put on a blower,
>WAY
> >to much money for such small gains(dollars to horse power ratio). Any
>help
> >would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Chris
> >
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:32:49 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Changing gears

> I have a 97 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 LS gears, K&N airfilter, Magnaflow
> exhaust, and a Superchip. I also put on some 285/75/16 size tires which
> calculate to be about 32.8" X 11.2" tires. I have noticed a significant
> loss of low end torque, which was expected. (snip...)
>
Chris,

Which engine do you have? I have been contemplating bigger tires on
my
97 SC (3.55:1 5.4L). I was eyeing 32X11.5.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:53:47 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Changing gears

I have the 4.6L.


>From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
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>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Changing gears
>Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:32:49 -0400
>
>
>
> > I have a 97 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 LS gears, K&N airfilter, Magnaflow
> > exhaust, and a Superchip. I also put on some 285/75/16 size tires which
> > calculate to be about 32.8" X 11.2" tires. I have noticed a significant
> > loss of low end torque, which was expected. (snip...)
> >
> Chris,
>
> Which engine do you have? I have been contemplating bigger tires on
>my
> 97 SC (3.55:1 5.4L). I was eyeing 32X11.5.
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:37:09 -0500
From: Wright Buford S CNIN
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 Super Duty pricing

I just looked at the 2000 Ford Super Duty pricing on the Kelly Blue Book
website.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.np?kbb;009319&47421;pic&6;Ford;2000+F250+
Super+Duty+Crew+Cab&A00565

The base price increased by almost $2000, but it appears that this is
because the trim package price is now included in the base price. The XLT
pricing is listed as 'N/C'. Also, the price for the captain's chairs are
'N/C', and were last year, too.

The local Ford dealer is trying to tell me that this is an error on the
website, and that the XLT package will be another $1800, and the captain's
chairs are another $400. I think the salesman is either misinformed, or is
trying to pad his payroll. Anybody got the straight scoop?

Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:26:26 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - "Super" Duty?

I own a 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4.
But I also drive one as my work vehicle
( Township Parks Dept.).
Its a 99 F350 standard cab 4X4 7.3 PSD.
One day we were "offroading" in one of the parks
on a trail that goes way back in the boonies
and we hit a log laying in the trail end on.
Now we were going approx. 3-5 mph.
When we hit said log the truck came to an abrupt
stop while spinning the steering wheel out of
my supervisors hand. After which the steering wheel
"spokes" that were at 3 and 9 o'clock are now at
1 and 7 o'clock. I can't believe a fairly minor
hit would knock the steering off that much if at
all. What actually spun or got jared from its
stock position??

Thanks
Vaughn
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:06:14 -0600
From: Tom Leonard
Subject: FTE 97up - auto tranny slipping?

I have a light duty 1999 F250 with the 5.4 lit. and a 44e transmission.
On long steep hills I have noticed that the trans downshifts from 4th to
3rd at about 2000 rpm. In 3rd, with a steady throttle, the rpms go to
about 3300 and after 5 to 8 seconds drop to 3000 rpm. I can feel the
tranny slipping before fully locking into 3rd. Around town it seems to
shift firmly. I've only noticed this slow engagement on fast, long,
steep hills.

I have never owned an auto tranny before and my truck has only 4000
miles. Is this slipping normal? Any I already regretting not saving
$1000 and getting a 5 speed?

Thanks, Tom

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:21:07 -0400
From: "Bill Wood"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Milage

Scott;
I have a 99 F350 XLT SC, 4X4, PSD, 6spd, 3.73 LS, Camper/Trailer pkg,
running boards and Mirrors.
23000 miles on it. Loaded a 1978 Coachmen 9 1/2'
truck camper with all the usual (35 gal water, 2 Lp tanks
etc) on the back. Hooked onto a 18 1/2' Boston Whaler
with 63 gallons of gas, single axle tailer/ elec brakes.
Last Thursday, left home (35 mi East of Rochester)
Headed East to Rome, North up Rt 8,into the mountains.
From here on in, it was constant up,down and around.
Rt8 to Rt9 to Rt 73. ( Rt 73 has some of the worst grades
in NY.) This went to Lake Placid and then Rt 86 to
Saranac Lake. Rt 3 to Rt30 to Rt 458. Rt 458 is
no man's land for 30 mi. (saw 4 other vehicles)
Rt 11b to Potsdam. Rt 56 to Rt 37 to Ogdensburg.
Canada Rt2 to Wellesley Island. Rt 81 to Rt 12 to Rt 3
to Rt 104 and back home. I know this is long, but get out
the topo map to see the grades pulled. Many of the grades
and twisting roads kept average speed to about 45 mph.
Temperatures .. 80 to 94 degrees (Yes, the AC was on)
Power.... No Problem. Handling and brakes.... The best
of any camper truck I've had. Now to the milage
First tank 394.6 mi... 28.4 gal.... 13.89 mpg
2nd tank 264.7 mi... 19 gal..... 13.93 mpg for a
combined 659.3 mi .... 47.4 gal ..trip average 13.9
mpg. My 77 F150 had all it could do to get that empty,
on a trip! Empty, about 17mpg.
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Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel Milage


> Ok, lets start comparing.
>
> I usually get between 17 to 18 mpg (thats calculated, not the overhead
> gauge).
>
> Setup:
> 99 Crewcab, PSD, 6-Speed, 4x4, Long box (no toneau, Tailgate up!),
> 265/75-16s (set to factory air recommendations), Lariat (Running boards),
> Factory mudflaps(4) and elephant mirrors.
> aside from this its stock.
>
> I drive combination miles 74 to/from work usually 75-80 each way.
>
> Scott.
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:12:00 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - auto tranny slipping?

In a message dated 99-08-04 21:11:39 EDT, you write:

I seem to be noticeing something similar, usually when is at operateing temp
under throttle on the OD shift. Worse when up hill right.....i was thinkign
about asking the dealer whats the deal, seems to want to hunt...then decides
to snap in. And a hesitation in the rpm's

I didnt seem to notice it when some 1/2 ton new body dodge got scared when i
was right hangin next to him with a diesel tonight. Too bad i didnt think
about it off the light, would have blown his doors off.

RS


Date: 99-08-04 21:11:39 EDT
From: tleonard vitrex.net (Tom Leonard)
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I have a light duty 1999 F250 with the 5.4 lit. and a 44e transmission.
On long steep hills I have noticed that the trans downshifts from 4th to
3rd at about 2000 rpm. In 3rd, with a steady throttle, the rpms go to
about 3300 and after 5 to 8 seconds drop to 3000 rpm. I can feel the
tranny slipping before fully locking into 3rd. Around town it seems to
shift firmly. I've only noticed this slow engagement on fast, long,
steep hills.

I have never owned an auto tranny before and my truck has only 4000
miles. Is this slipping normal? Any I already regretting not saving
$1000 and getting a 5 speed?

Thanks, Tom

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