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97up-list-digest Thursday, July 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 202

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??
RE: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback?? ==> Performance Chips?
FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - ABS Problem/Question
RE: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback?? ==- Performance Chips?
Re: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
RE: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
FTE 97up - Re: Dually tire rotation/parking (retitiled)
Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??
Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel? -Reply
FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes
Re: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes
RE: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes
FTE 97up - Re: MPG-Explorer vs Expedition
FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up
Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel? -Reply
FTE 97up - Tonneau Covers?
Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel? -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes
FTE 97up - New List Member, Wants Info on F-350 SD
FTE 97up - engine choice
Re: FTE 97up - Tonneau Covers?
RE: FTE 97up - engine choice
RE: FTE 97up - Tonneau Covers?
Re: FTE 97up - Tonneau Covers?
Re: FTE 97up - engine choice
RE: FTE 97up - engine choice
Re: FTE 97up - Warped Brake Rotors
FTE 97up - minor f250 SD problem

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:06:21 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??

The only problem with the K&N oil getting on sensors is when people clean
the filter and spray too much oil on the filter and do not wipe it off and
let dry completely. If you put it in new it will be pre-oiled and you will
have no problem with it, if it is cleaned and oiled properly there will be
no problems at all. The cat-back exhaust will in no way interfere with the
computer in a harmful way. The computer will see that your system is less
restrictive and allows more air to pass and it may try to compensate for
this by dumping more fuel into the engine. The best way to compliment the
mods you are talking about is to get a Superchip also. I have a Magnaflow
exhaust system with the K&N and a Superchip. When I installed the
Superchip, I noticed a huge difference.

Chris

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??

The only problem with the K&N oil getting on sensors is when people clean
the filter and spray too much oil on the filter and do not wipe it off and
let dry completely. If you put it in new it will be pre-oiled and you will
have no problem with it, if it is cleaned and oiled properly there will be
no problems at all. The cat-back exhaust will in no way interfere with the
computer in a harmful way. The computer will see that your system is less
restrictive and allows more air to pass and it may try to compensate for
this by dumping more fuel into the engine. The best way to compliment the
mods you are talking about is to get a Superchip also. I have a Magnaflow
exhaust system with the K&N and a Superchip. When I installed the
Superchip, I noticed a huge difference.

Chris

>From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
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>Subject: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??
>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:08:41 4
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a 99 F250 SD 5.4 and would like to
>install a K&N filter and a Gibson dual exit
>catback.
>My questions are:
>
> Is there an actual problem with the oil from the
>K&N flowing back and screwing up a sensor?
> (I had heard talk of possible problem)
>
> And will the catback have any adverse affects
> on the engine as far as computer compensation
> and back pressure difference is concerned???
> (burnt valves etc.)
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:35:50 -0400
From: "Karl R. Josker"
Subject: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition Mileage

Ken, you bring up a good question, especially in view of the seemingly
rising tide of anti-SUV sentiment. I have my old reliable, 92 Explorer
with the 4.0 V6, and a newer 97 Expedition with the 4.6 V8.

The Explorer gets 22mpg on the highway and 19-20mpg around town. Before
I bought the Expedition, I was cautioned about gas mileage, but then, who
buys an Expedition for gas mileage? The Expedition gets 17mpg
consistently everywhere - around town, and out on the highway. Last
month, I drove round trip from Buffalo NY to New Orleans, with 5 adults
and all of their luggage, air conditioning on, and ran at 75-80 mph, and
it got 17mpg. There are smaller supposedly more economical vehicles out
there which are definitely less safe that can't get 17mpg consistently.

If I were in you shoes Ken, I wouldn't hesitate to buy an Expedition.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:44:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: djermain

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ABS Problem/Question

Larry--

My 99 F-150 5.4 has been doing the exact same thing. So far, the brake
pedal has only done what you described once, but it was kind of scary
since the truck just wouldn't stop when this happened. Also, my ABS
light has been on for the last two weeks. I took it to Ford yesterday
and it turned out that the right front ABS sensor had gone bad. I don't
really have an explanation for the stiff brake pedal, but I'm assuing
they are related. Just bring it in to Ford and have the ABS system
checked out. If the light is on...there's something wrong. Hope this
helps

Darrell Jermain
BLK90LX
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:08:14 EDT
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback?? ==- Performance Chips?

I have the 4.6L engine. I noticed right away that my truck improved on gas
mileage and "seat of the pants" power. The quoted numbers are an increase
of 26 horsepower and 40 ft/lbs of torque. The throttle response is better
also. The Superchip advances the timing, leans out the gas mixture and
changes the shift points on the automatic tranny. The trnas shifts much
better with the Superchip. The great thing about the chip is that it works
at all throttle positions unlike most other chips that only work at wide
open throttle. If you want, I can give you the name and number of a
Superchips distributor that may be able to sell it to you at a discount.
Email me directly at c_bagley

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Chris

>From: "Strukel, Mike"
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>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback?? ==> Performance Chips?
>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:26:41 -0500
>
>Chris,
>
>I am assuming from your post, that you like the Superchip? What engine
>do
>you have?
>I have been doing some research on chips and have been considering trying
>one.
>Any feedback? Noticeable power? Mileage?
>
>Mike Strukel
>99 F250 SD, SC, V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains, K&N
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christian Bagley [mailto:c_bagley

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>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 6:06 AM
>To: 97up-list

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>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??
>
>
>The only problem with the K&N oil getting on sensors is when people clean
>the filter and spray too much oil on the filter and do not wipe it off and
>let dry completely. If you put it in new it will be pre-oiled and you will
>have no problem with it, if it is cleaned and oiled properly there will be
>no problems at all. The cat-back exhaust will in no way interfere with the
>computer in a harmful way. The computer will see that your system is less
>restrictive and allows more air to pass and it may try to compensate for
>this by dumping more fuel into the engine. The best way to compliment the
>mods you are talking about is to get a Superchip also. I have a Magnaflow
>exhaust system with the K&N and a Superchip. When I installed the
>Superchip, I noticed a huge difference.
>
>Chris
>
>
> >From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
> >Reply-To: 97up-list

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> >To: 97up-list

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> >Subject: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??
> >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:08:41 4
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a 99 F250 SD 5.4 and would like to
> >install a K&N filter and a Gibson dual exit
> >catback.
> >My questions are:
> >
> > Is there an actual problem with the oil from the
> >K&N flowing back and screwing up a sensor?
> > (I had heard talk of possible problem)
> >
> > And will the catback have any adverse affects
> > on the engine as far as computer compensation
> > and back pressure difference is concerned???
> > (burnt valves etc.)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vaughn
> > 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:23:05 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition Mileage

Thanks for the input, Karl. I've just about made up my mind to go with the
Expedition. My family's getting larger and I just need the extra room.
(Just can't see myself in a minivan :-) I think if I tame my driving habits
a bit, mileage difference won't be an issue.

Ken

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Karl R. Josker
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 7:35 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition Mileage

> Ken, you bring up a good question, especially in view of the seemingly
> rising tide of anti-SUV sentiment. I have my old reliable, 92 Explorer
> with the 4.0 V6, and a newer 97 Expedition with the 4.6 V8.
>
> The Explorer gets 22mpg on the highway and 19-20mpg around town. Before
> I bought the Expedition, I was cautioned about gas mileage, but then, who
> buys an Expedition for gas mileage? The Expedition gets 17mpg
> consistently everywhere - around town, and out on the highway. Last
> month, I drove round trip from Buffalo NY to New Orleans, with 5 adults
> and all of their luggage, air conditioning on, and ran at 75-80 mph, and
> it got 17mpg. There are smaller supposedly more economical vehicles out
> there which are definitely less safe that can't get 17mpg consistently.
>
> If I were in you shoes Ken, I wouldn't hesitate to buy an Expedition.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:40:27 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?

The 24 Valve Cummins came out mid year 1998 on the Dodge pick-ups it makes
235HP and 460ft/lbs of torque with a 5 speed and 215 and 420 with an auto.
It has an electronic pump that gets it closer to the Power Stroke for
responce but not yet even. It still has a "lag" to it when you stand on the
throttle. Also the Dodge dealers used to try to sell against the Power
Stroke using the term "reliability" for the Cummins. Since about 3 months
after the 24V came out I haven't had anyone tell me a dealer (or anyone
else) told them that the Cummins was more reliable than the Power Stroke.
They do try to sell the Cummins on mileage, but from what I've heard the 24V
is getting about 1 MPG less than the 12V did, and the 1999 PSD is getting
about 1 MPG better than the 1997 PSD did so that puts the Power Stroke at
the same to 1 MPG better.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Parker & Heidi
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?

> does anyone know what it's HP and TQ rating is? in proportion to the PSD?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RAMWORKER

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> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:17 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
>
>
> > Ah, now what are you doing looking at Dodges? :)
> >Cummins is going to 24 valve engines almost exclusively.
> >The ISB (Interact Series B) in Cummins parlance,
> >was introduced sometime in 1996 for medium duty trucks
> >and RV use. Dodge started using it 1/1/98, so it's not
> >exactly "new" any more. Dodge refers to it as:
> >"Cummins 24 Valve Turbo Diesel" to simplify life for
> >the Dodge boys.
> >
> > As long as I'm off-topic, allow me to correct a rumor
> >I helped spread earlier this year. While there are new
> >transmissions from Allison coming out, 1000, 2000 and
> >2400 series, they won't be in Dodges any time soon.
> >Dodge claims to be working on a new transmission of
> >their own to hold up to the Cummins in a satisfactory
> >manner, I'm not holding my breath over this one either.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Robert
> >
> >In a message dated 7/27/99 8:41:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> whoz

primary.net
> >writes:
> >
> >> looked at a badge on the side of a ram, and saw that it said 24 valve
> diesel
> >> *whatever*. was wondering if this was something new? (the badge or the
> >> heads).
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:42:28 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?

Didn't Ford buy a rather large interest in Cummins a few years back?
Do they still have holdings in that company?
This happened just prior to the Powerstroke release, I
always thought it was rather ironic. (if true)

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
>
> The 24 Valve Cummins came out mid year 1998 on the Dodge pick-ups it makes
> 235HP and 460ft/lbs of torque with a 5 speed and 215 and 420 with an auto.
> It has an electronic pump that gets it closer to the Power Stroke for
> responce but not yet even. (snip....)
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:01:32 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?

Ford did own a large share of Cummins, but from what I've heard (although
I've never seen anything to prove it) Ford sold most of its stock several
years ago and spent the money to improve the Power Stroke.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: D'Amelio, Stephen M.
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?

> Didn't Ford buy a rather large interest in Cummins a few years back?
> Do they still have holdings in that company?
> This happened just prior to the Powerstroke release, I
> always thought it was rather ironic. (if true)
>
> Steve D'Amelio
> Systems Administrator
> CVS/Pharmacy
> 1 CVS Drive
> Woonsocket, RI 02895
> 401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
> mailto:smdamelio

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> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
> >
> > The 24 Valve Cummins came out mid year 1998 on the Dodge pick-ups it
makes
> > 235HP and 460ft/lbs of torque with a 5 speed and 215 and 420 with an
auto.
> > It has an electronic pump that gets it closer to the Power Stroke for
> > responce but not yet even. (snip....)
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:58:04 GMT
From: bturner

ida.org (Ben Turner)
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Dually tire rotation/parking (retitiled)

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:53:37 -0700 (PDT) ashok bala wrote:
>i have a 99 F-350 DRW Lariat/Diesel
- --
>The front tires seem to be wearing a little weird. Am I supposed to do
>an alignment or rotate tires????? I dont want this to affect mileage in
>the future.

Ashok,

I inquired regarding dually tire rotation recommendations on this list in
March. IIRC, the owners manual indicates that you can swap the front tires left
to right, but doesn't recommend doing anything else. Local Ford dealer response
to the question ranged from "don't do anything and just eat the early tire wear
that will become noticable around 20k" to "hmmmm, those wheels are too big for
our balancing machine so go to a truck tire center and have them dismount and
remount tires for your rotation and expect to pay a lot."

I did get a couple of list and email responses recommending not rotating
the tires, paying for more frequent front-end alignments, and replacing tires as
necessary. Truck tire centers were emphasized in the responses.

My truck ('99 F350 CC LB PSD DRW 4x4) had about 10k when I took it in to
the truck tire center (Alban Tires, Springfield, VA) to get their
recommendation. They pointed out greater wear on the front tires and the
beginnings of some irregular tread wear that might be attributed to alignment or
balance problems. For rotation they recommended keeping the tires grouped as
three pairs to rotate from front to right rear to left rear. For my wheels this
entails remounting two tires. My best recollection is that rotation/remounting
tires with balancing for all and front-end alignment was around $125. This may
not be the ideal option for everyone, but as a new dually owner I will try it
for a while.

>Also.....
>I cant seem to fit the truck in one parking spot because of the width
>and length. Is it legal to take up two spots??? whats the alternative?

There are consequences to all decisions--including the decision to buy a
seven foot tall, eight foot wide, twenty-two foot long vehicle . As far
as on-street metered parking is concerned, I recommend calling your local
authorities--trusting people on this list to read their minds might get you
ticketed even if you paid the meters in both spots. When driving the truck, I
lose access to virtually all local parking garages (except Home Depot) and opt
for a longer walk to my office from a parking lot where I have permission to
park. Dimensions of spaces vary greatly in open parking lots and it is not
unusual that I find it necessary to use four spaces--again I opt to park on the
outskirts to minimize the inconvenience to others. Alternatives include
residing in a more civilized part of the country where parking spaces haven't
shrunk so much--the truck is much more frequently accomodated by standard
parking spaces when visiting in-laws in the midwest. Personally, the
inconveniences in parking are overwhelmingly outweighed by the luxury of having
a suitable towing vehicle for our horse trailer--YMMV.

Best,
Ben Turner
bturner

ida.org

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??

I'd like to hear more about the Superchip.
Manufacturer, claimed gains, and observed gains, even
if they are "seat of the pants".

Thanks,
Keith P
99 F250 SD XLT SC V10 4.30 K&N Magnaflow

- --- Christian Bagley wrote:
> SNIP
> I have a Magnaflow
> exhaust system with the K&N and a Superchip. When I
> installed the
> Superchip, I noticed a huge difference.
>
> Chris
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:12:18 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel? -Reply

I heard that Ford bought cummins and now owns the company
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:00:57 -0600
From: Marc Beauchemin
Subject: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes

I was reading my maintenance schedule the other night
and I noticed the E4OD transmission NEVER requires
an oil change.
How do I tell which tranny I've got in my 98 F250LD S/C 4x4?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:11:43 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes

If its a 5.4L you have the E4OD if 4.6L it has the 4R70W. However, I'd
still change the fluid ever 30-50K miles. It is cheap insurance no mater
what the factory says.

Nathan
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Beauchemin
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:00 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes

> I was reading my maintenance schedule the other night
> and I noticed the E4OD transmission NEVER requires
> an oil change.
> How do I tell which tranny I've got in my 98 F250LD S/C 4x4?
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:43:02 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes

I don't know how much the E4OD has
changed since 91. But I had one behind
my 351W in a Bronco. I concur that a fluid
and filter change (albeit a pain) is good practice.
I changed mine twice in 132K miles. I also ran
an aftermarket cooler. This truck towed 7K lbs.
160 miles every weekend (just about) spring/summer/fall.
In the winter it plowed.
The engine and tranny were as strong as new
when I traded the truck.

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes
>
> If its a 5.4L you have the E4OD if 4.6L it has the 4R70W. However, I'd
> still change the fluid ever 30-50K miles. It is cheap insurance no mater
> what the factory says.
>
> Nathan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Beauchemin
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:00 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes
>
>
> > I was reading my maintenance schedule the other night
> > and I noticed the E4OD transmission NEVER requires
> > an oil change.
> > How do I tell which tranny I've got in my 98 F250LD S/C 4x4?
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris coleman
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: MPG-Explorer vs Expedition

Kenneth, with my 97 X XLT(5.4l), I average about 14 MPG doing a mix of
city/highway. Doing nothing mut highway driving, it will go up to
about 16-17(has gone as high as 20 going through the mountains of
Washington). The only modifications that I have done to the truck that
would affect mileage is installing a K&N airfilter(factory intake) and
modification of the intake silencer(covered up the port inside, seems
to help the truck). I looked at the Explorer, but, for the few extra
bucks, you get a lot more truck. Try putting a ton of rock in the back
of the Explorer. The Expy handled it just fine. Couldn't tell it was
there.

Hope this helps, Chris "Thermo" Coleman
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> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:15:51 -0400
> From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
> Subject: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition mpg
>
> My '96 Explorer's lease is about up and I'm thinking
> about going to the
> Expedition. With 3 kids getting bigger and a 75lb.
> Golden retriever, my
> wife and I think we've outgrown the Explorer. What
> kind of gas mileage have
> Expedition owners been experiencing? I know it will
> be worse than my 15 -
> 17 mpg presently obtained with my Explorer.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Ken
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becks2
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up

I also have the F-350, mine has the 172" wheel base on it and have problems parking it alot too! The way I do it is just use up two parking spaces. It will still stick out a little bit but not as much. I have had lots of complaints by people but, the reason is pretty obviouse why you would do it though.

Adry(becks2)
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: ashok bala
Subject: FTE 97up - FTE 97up:

i have a 99 F-350 DRW Lariat/Diesel - a few thousand miles are on it.The front tires seem to be wearing a little weird. Am I supposed to do an alignment or rotate tires????? I dont want this to affect mileage in the future.
Also.....I cant seem to fit the truck in one parking spot because of the width and length. Is it legal to take up two spots??? whats the alternative?

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From: BigFords1

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel? -Reply

In a message dated 7/28/99 11:52:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CROLL.GEORGE

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>
I heard the same thing. I thought Ford owns Cummins.

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Subject: FTE 97up - Tonneau Covers?

Hello everyone--

I just purchased a 99 F-150 Super Cab short bed and I want to get a soft
tonneau cover for it. Does anyone here have any suggestions as to a
good model? I would like one that is easy to install and remove, but
also will keep the bed dry during rain. Also, cost is a factor, but I
want one that will last, too. I haven't owned a truck before, but have
seen lots of the soft covers that flap around in the wind? Is that a
problem with the newer designs? Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:52:33 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel? -Reply -Reply

I checked out the Cummins site and in the FAQ section it states that ford once owned 10% of cummins but no longer
owns any of the company.
George Croll
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From: RSnovi

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - E40D and oil changes

In a message dated 7/28/99 12:05:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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i seriously doubt that. every Ford auto trans that i know of requires
change around 20K per manual. You may have 4R100 or E4OD. just depends on
when it was manufac.

I seem to be haveing a strange shift into OD once warmed up under throttle
in the 4 R100, off the throttle not as bad, seems like its hunting for the
gear... is this the conveter problem people have illuded to earlier?

thanks
RS

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and I noticed the E4OD transmission NEVER requires
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I am a great fan of Ford trucks, so I feel at home on this list. I probably
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Subject: FTE 97up - engine choice

I'm very close to ordering an F250SD crew cab 4WD SRW A/T. The one question
I have is the engine choice. Should I go with the Powerstroke or the V10?
I won't do much towing. How much better mileage does the diesel get? Is it
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In a message dated 7/28/99 3:32:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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lund or some others with the rail w/ snaps inside is the best bet and alum.
frame. i think from Ford mine for F250 SD short bed was 300, i am sure they
are out there for less, you can tell the junk from the good ones, velcro or
drilling into bed is a no-no, a rail type system is best. Some also are
hinged, but a bit more $.

RS

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Hello everyone--

I just purchased a 99 F-150 Super Cab short bed and I want to get a soft
tonneau cover for it. Does anyone here have any suggestions as to a
good model? I would like one that is easy to install and remove, but
also will keep the bed dry during rain. Also, cost is a factor, but I
want one that will last, too. I haven't owned a truck before, but have
seen lots of the soft covers that flap around in the wind? Is that a
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:22:14 -0400
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - engine choice

IMHO, take the deisel without a second thought. I have a 99.5 F250SD SC 4x4
Lariat SB and I'm getting 18+ mpg in normal "commuter" driving. With almost
12K miles I swear the motor is getting stronger and more effecient.

Fuel, here in New England, averages the same as 87 octane unleaded and is
very easy to find.

100K mile power plant warranty.

15 quarts of oil, however, with a $10.00 filter. $13.00 for the fuel filter
and that's about all the "down side" I have found to date.

Good luck,

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I'm very close to ordering an F250SD crew cab 4WD SRW A/T. The one question
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:53:10 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Tonneau Covers?

Darrell,

Check out Extang's Saber Tonneau. I have had mine on my '99 F150 flareside
for 7 weeks... love it! Here's a link to the vendor I purchased from:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.quadratec.com/fordcat/Page12.htm

Price was $199.95, and shipping ran approx $17. These prices are for
flareside. Yours should run $189.95. The Saber does NOT use snaps and
looks great!

Later,
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Hello everyone--

I just purchased a 99 F-150 Super Cab short bed and I want to get a soft
tonneau cover for it. Does anyone here have any suggestions as to a
good model? I would like one that is easy to install and remove, but
also will keep the bed dry during rain. Also, cost is a factor, but I
want one that will last, too. I haven't owned a truck before, but have
seen lots of the soft covers that flap around in the wind? Is that a
problem with the newer designs? Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:51:34 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tonneau Covers?

I have a Sportmaster on my SD F250 it fits the bed real nice!
Some of the covers the rails are stright , but the top of the bed where
the rail lays has a curve to it. I had bought a very well know name brand
and it looked like!t, did not curve with the bed!

RSnovi

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> lund or some others with the rail w/ snaps inside is the best bet and alum.
> frame. i think from Ford mine for F250 SD short bed was 300, i am sure they
> are out there for less, you can tell the junk from the good ones, velcro or
> drilling into bed is a no-no, a rail type system is best. Some also are
> hinged, but a bit more $.
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> good model? I would like one that is easy to install and remove, but
> also will keep the bed dry during rain. Also, cost is a factor, but I
> want one that will last, too. I haven't owned a truck before, but have
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:08:54 EDT
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In a message dated 7/28/99 6:00:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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I tell you what I had the same dilemma, and only 1 draw back with powerstroke
I see, drive-thru's banks & fast food. Because it does make a tad bit of
noise. Great mileage and reliability is why I decided to plunk down and get
my first diesel after about 4 gas trucks.
I think I am never going back after having this one.
Only other thing that takes some getting used to is looking for that elusive
diesel pump, I swear they hide it on purpose. Its also a great passenger
sleeping aid.

RS

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I'm very close to ordering an F250SD crew cab 4WD SRW A/T. The one question
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:54:26 -0500
From: Dmoore

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Subject: RE: FTE 97up - engine choice

Here are some previous messages on the subject:

Though I own a PSD if you don't do the towing or want the "heavy duty"
engine got with the V10.

Here are some messages about milage and the V10:

After seeing the fuel economy that people are getting with the 3.73 ratio, I
guess the 4.30 isn't much worse. I have the 99 F350 SC, LWB, V10, ESOF, SRW
XLT. There's no computer, so I check my mileage with pen and paper (I hear
the computers aren't very accurate). I just checked my records and the
worst was 7.6 mpg while my 12 foot, 3800 lb camper was installed and I was
driving around town stop and go, up and down hills. My best mileage was
10.3 also around town, but with some highway driving mixed in. On average
around town I get 9 mpg. Keep in mind that I live near Seattle and I drive
up and down hills continuously and the traffic is getting as bad as any
large city which means much stop and go. I also have a lead foot. I
haven't tried a pure highway trip without my camper installed to see what
the best possible mileage could be. I do love that 4.30 axle when it's time
to haul a** off the line, especially when that camper is installed.

Harald

>From paxton automotive

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Camarillo, CA-With the newly-styled and reengineered Ford F-Series trucks,
the F-350 V10 is one of the most sought after vehicles on the market. Now,
Paxton Automotive is pleased to introduce the Novi 2000 Ford F-350 V10 kit.
Like other Paxton Automotive supercharger kits, this heat-treated
helical-cut gear driven Novi 2000 kit comes with a billet aluminum mounting
bracket, hardware and everything necessary for a professionally looking
installation.
Originally developed to assist with heavy-towing, horsepower increases from
275 to an amazing 400, a 60%
increase! Installation time is approximately six hours, following Paxton
Automotive's detailed installation manual
and like all of Paxton Automotive's products, this application is 50-state
legal.

One aspect that I have yet to hear mentioned is the time value of money.
The $4000, even if very conservatively invested, will double to $8000 in
about 10 years. Therefore the effective payback point is longer if you
are only considering the dollars and cents. However, make no mistake
about it. The Powerstroke is one impressive engine. :-)

Go over the figures...It will take a long time to get the purchase price
back, By my figures 23 years....I ain't driving any Pickup truck that
long.

20000 Mi/year

14 MPG = 1428.57 gals X 1.15 /Gal = $1642.85 Gasoline

20000 Mi/year

17 Mpg = 1176.47 gals X 1.25 / Gal = $1470.58 Diesel

Differance $172.85 per year

Just for the sake of argument, lets call the cost per gallon the same the
annualized fuel cost differance is still only $315.13 which is still an
almost 13 year payback.

Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
with the longevity, and economy. If you are the rare bird that is doing
175K / year, you need to rethink
your route, and get a bigger truck.

I for one don't see how anyone can truly believe one truck is better than
another due to the type of engine. Everyone uses there truck for different
things for different amounts of time. I go with a new ride approx every 4
years my father has a 10 year old suburban that is about to roll 200k.
Some people will never throw so much as a sheet of plywood in there SD and
others will drop 4000 lbs in it and try to tow a trailer at the same time.

I work in Prudhoe bay Alaska 2 weeks at a time. The other day I had 4000
lbs of product in the bed. We let our truck idle constantly when its cold,
essentially it runs from Sept to mid April. It is a 99 F350 crew cab w /
PSD. I wouldn't have any other truck in this situation.

On the other side of the coin I drive a F250 SC w/ 6.8l at home. My boat
and trailer run approx 10,000 lbs. I tow it twice a year and every time I
do I have to admit I wish I had my work truck. The other 99.9 % of the
time you couldn't pay me to drive that noisy diesel. I don't like the way
the power comes on and quite frankly think diesel is gutless when it comes
to daily driving. At the same time the diesel doesn't change a lick between
being empty and having 4000 lbs in it.

I have towed my boat with two other vehicles a 98 PSD and a 90's chev. with
a 454 and dual rear wheels. With all three vehicles it is unpleasant. the
trailer is about 35 feet long and has three axles. All three trucks got
jerked all over the road and felt pretty much gutless. the PSD was by far
the best but by all means it wasn't pretty.

What it all boils down to is, what you are planing to use you vehicle for,
and to a large degree your personal preference. They are both great
trucks. I belive the money issue is about a wash either way. The gas
engine isn't as long lived, diesel parts are way more expensive. You could
calculator whip it to death and I'd bet you come up with approx the same
end cost. FYI I make a solid 6-8 mpg with my gas rig and couldn't care
less. As someone pointed out if I would have been after fuel economy I
wouldn't have bought a truck.
Again just personal preference and opinion.

You are right,I don't put 5000 lbs "on the truck". Actually it is in two
different combinations.
# 1 A 2400lb Coachmaen truck camper ,on the back,pulling an 18' Boston
Whaler up into the Adirondack mountains.
#2 Pulling a 4800 lb fith wheel flat bed trailer with either 4 tons
of hay or an 8500 lb John Deere tractor to ANYWHERE in there is
a show or tractor pull.
Even with these loads, I can still get 13.6 mpg.
When empty, that power stroke, 6spd OD and 3.73 gear combination
can get almost 19 mpg on a trip. (17 around town) People that I work with
have older 460's,454's and one has a new V-10. Of all of them, the v-10 gets
the best milage. It gets a whopping 12.5 empty. The
others are in the 6-11 mpg area.
Do your math, that means at least 50% better with the diesel.
As far as the rust issue........Use a garden hose or car wash!
Even on the farm, we know how to deal with snow, salt, mud and B.S.!
Very often, we have snow that is bumper deep on an F350 SD 4X4
until 9 AM. Let,s see your wife make it to work every morning with
her little Toy!
Just admit it, you are an anti (real) TRUCK , import driving "city
slicker"!

Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel.

com/

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