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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition mpg
FTE 97up - Warped Brake Rotors
FTE 97up - Customizing E-350 Extended Cargo Van
Re: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition mpg
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Super Duty Prices.
FTE 97up - Warped Brake Rotors -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Warped Brake Rotors -Reply
FTE 97up - FTE 97up:
Re: FTE 97up - Customizing E-350 Extended Cargo Van
FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??
FTE 97up - almost level
Re: FTE 97up - almost level
Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??
Re: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices
FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??
Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?
FTE 97up - ABS Problem/Question

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:15:51 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition mpg

My '96 Explorer's lease is about up and I'm thinking about going to the
Expedition. With 3 kids getting bigger and a 75lb. Golden retriever, my
wife and I think we've outgrown the Explorer. What kind of gas mileage have
Expedition owners been experiencing? I know it will be worse than my 15 -
17 mpg presently obtained with my Explorer.

Thanks for any input.

Ken

Kenneth J. Nagy knagy IXTelecom.com
IDT Corporation www.idt.net
225 Old New Brunswick Road, Suite 300
Piscataway, NJ 08854

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:35:15 -0400
From: CnC
Subject: FTE 97up - Warped Brake Rotors

My newly purchased used 1997 Ford 150 is still under warranty and I find
that the brake rotors are warped, the brakes vibrate. The dealer is willing
to fix this problem by grinding down the rotors.
My mechanic friend says that this is not desirable; that the rotors should
be replaced. The dealer claims that Ford will not permit them to replace
the rotor; that they must be ground down. Who's right? Is there any
problem with the dealer going ahead and grinding the rotors?
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:47:16 -0700
From: Mike Jordan
Subject: FTE 97up - Customizing E-350 Extended Cargo Van

I am looking at getting a E-350 extended cargo van to haul my wife's dogs and to
pull a large trailer. Unless I special order one (my dealer says the 2000 take
about 12 weeks) I will need to customize it a bit to add in some of the things
we need. One thing we need is a rear air conditioner. The Ford dealer says it
will cost about $1000 to put one in. The one I saw in a Chev van was a 12v AC
that only required wiring from the engine. Does anyone know of a source for add
on ACs that are cheaper than the dealer? I'm also looking for a source of
padding to put on the sides for insulation. I've seen some vans that looked
nice but without a lot of room being taken up with bulky padding.

And if anyone knows of a store online where customizing equipment can be bought,
I'd appreciate the info.

Thanks for any help.

Mike
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:26:45 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition mpg

The range I've been hearing is:

SOHC 4.0L Explorer 15-19
V-8 Explorer 14-18
Expedition 5.4L 11-14 MPG

These are what customers have been telling me. That would be a mix of city
and highway driving, and should give you an idea of what to expect.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth J. Nagy
To: Ford List
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 7:15 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Explorer vs. Expedition mpg


> My '96 Explorer's lease is about up and I'm thinking about going to the
> Expedition. With 3 kids getting bigger and a 75lb. Golden retriever, my
> wife and I think we've outgrown the Explorer. What kind of gas mileage
have
> Expedition owners been experiencing? I know it will be worse than my 15 -
> 17 mpg presently obtained with my Explorer.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Ken
>
> Kenneth J. Nagy knagy IXTelecom.com
> IDT Corporation www.idt.net
> 225 Old New Brunswick Road, Suite 300
> Piscataway, NJ 08854
>
> Voice/Fax: +1.732.465.7845
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:27:50 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Super Duty Prices.

I would guess it would be more of an undertaking than it would be worth. It
probably would require a new wiring harness, alternators, and who knows what
else.

Nathan

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Super Duty Prices.


> In a message dated 7/23/99 5:43:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> unionaut adiis.net writes:
>
> i was just wondering if its a big deal to go from single to dual
alternator,
> i was thinking another one since they have an option. Just wondering what
> was invloved if i already own truck.
>
> Ross S.
> ' 99.5/ F250/ PSD/4x4/SC
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>
>
>
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> Date: 7/23/99 5:43:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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> heres a few of the prices on some of the options on F-250 Super Duty
>
> V-10 510 $600
> PSD 3910 4600
> auto 931 1095
> 265/75/16 OWL AT tires 380 435
> 4x4 Off Road 107 125
> CD+Cassette (XLT/Lariat) 162 190
> Privacy Glass 85 100
> Sliding Rear window 107 125
> SOF 4x4 136 160
> Rear bumper Delete (85) (100)
> Dual alternators (Power Stroke only) 285 335
> Trailer towing pkg 132 155
> Class IV hitch 128 150
> Keyless entry (XLT) 144 170
>
>
> I'll try to get more as time permits
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:14:30 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Warped Brake Rotors -Reply

You might let them grind the rotors and then see if they warp again. If they warp again have them ground again. If
the dealer has to grind them more than twice they will not be thick enough to be used and they will have to be
replaced.
George Croll
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:31:26 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Warped Brake Rotors -Reply

I did the brakes on my '96 Explorer. Used Ford pads and went to a PEP Boys
to have them cut (not my first choice, but it was Sunday)After about a week,
a squel started coming from the from end. Stepping on the brake produced a
rotor "out of round" scenario; shaking, uneven stopping. I took the rotors
off and had them cut at a reptuable machine shop and never had a problem
again. The rotors were cut a total of twice, and there are about 65K miles
on them.

Ken


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From: GEORGE CROLL
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 3:14 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Warped Brake Rotors -Reply


> You might let them grind the rotors and then see if they warp again. If
they warp again have them ground again. If
> the dealer has to grind them more than twice they will not be thick enough
to be used and they will have to be
> replaced.
> George Croll
> EPA-OAR-ARD
> (202)564-0162
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: ashok bala
Subject: FTE 97up - FTE 97up:

i have a 99 F-350 DRW Lariat/Diesel - a few thousand miles are on it.

The front tires seem to be wearing a little weird. Am I supposed to do
an alignment or rotate tires????? I dont want this to affect mileage in
the future.

Also.....

I cant seem to fit the truck in one parking spot because of the width
and length. Is it legal to take up two spots??? whats the alternative?

regards
Ashok
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:00:43 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Customizing E-350 Extended Cargo Van

Check into getting a Quigley conversion, that way, you will also get 4-wheel
drive! ....big bucks, though...

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Jordan
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 2:55 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Customizing E-350 Extended Cargo Van


>I am looking at getting a E-350 extended cargo van to haul my wife's dogs
and to
>pull a large trailer. Unless I special order one (my dealer says the 2000
take
>about 12 weeks) I will need to customize it a bit to add in some of the
things
>we need. One thing we need is a rear air conditioner. The Ford dealer
says it
>will cost about $1000 to put one in. The one I saw in a Chev van was a 12v
AC
>that only required wiring from the engine. Does anyone know of a source
for add
>on ACs that are cheaper than the dealer? I'm also looking for a source of
>padding to put on the sides for insulation. I've seen some vans that
looked
>nice but without a lot of room being taken up with bulky padding.
>
>And if anyone knows of a store online where customizing equipment can be
bought,
>I'd appreciate the info.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Mike
>--
>Prineville, Oregon (Central Oregon)
>Bouvier des Flandres - Carting, Herding & Clicker Training
>WWW: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.europa.com/~mjordan
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:08:41 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??

Hi all,

I have a 99 F250 SD 5.4 and would like to
install a K&N filter and a Gibson dual exit
catback.
My questions are:

Is there an actual problem with the oil from the
K&N flowing back and screwing up a sensor?
(I had heard talk of possible problem)

And will the catback have any adverse affects
on the engine as far as computer compensation
and back pressure difference is concerned???
(burnt valves etc.)

Thanks
Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:08:23 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - almost level

Well i figured out that 1000 lbs of pine trees (by the dumps scales) in the
back of F250SD 4x4 PSD almost got it leveled out. I could almost feel the
load especially on tight turns, anyone have any reccomendations for tire
pressures loaded vs. unloaded?

Thanks
Ross S.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:45:24 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - almost level

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From: RSnovi aol.com

snip

, anyone have any reccomendations for tire
>pressures loaded vs. unloaded?


"paint" a two inch wide strip across the tread, drive the vehicle in a
straight line, no turns, easy braking, smooth pavement. Like a mall parking
lot.. go a few hundred feet let it mostly coast to a stop. The chalk will
wear off at the contact patch.. Adjust the pressure till you get an even
wear pattern.

Erik Marquez
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mosquitonet.com/~bronco78
Home of the BB decal
Soon to be a new (to me) owner of a 99 CC SB SD F350

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:49:52 -0400
From: "MStock56"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??

I had a K^N filter on my 91 Bronco that never fouled a sensor in eight years
and 126,000 miles. I religiously cleaned it and oiled it every 15,000 miles.
As for the Gibson system, I know three fellows with SD250 w/dual cat back
Gibsons who all swear by them...increased power, not decreased. As for
myself, I have the Gibson SUPERTRUCK SIDE EXHAUST SYSTEM, AND IT
WORKS,LOOKS; AND FEELS GREAT.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Vaughn (VDB)
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 9:08 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??


>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a 99 F250 SD 5.4 and would like to
> install a K&N filter and a Gibson dual exit
> catback.
> My questions are:
>
> Is there an actual problem with the oil from the
> K&N flowing back and screwing up a sensor?
> (I had heard talk of possible problem)
>
> And will the catback have any adverse affects
> on the engine as far as computer compensation
> and back pressure difference is concerned???
> (burnt valves etc.)
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:51:08 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

West Jordan, Utah. (By Salt Lake)
Regular $1.29
Plus $1.39
Premium $1.49
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:31:10 -0500
From: "Parker & Heidi"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?

hey everyone,

looked at a badge on the side of a ram, and saw that it said 24 valve diesel
*whatever*. was wondering if this was something new? (the badge or the
heads).

thanks,
parker
faithful PSD admirer


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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:09:49 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?

Ah, now what are you doing looking at Dodges? :)
Cummins is going to 24 valve engines almost exclusively.
The ISB (Interact Series B) in Cummins parlance,
was introduced sometime in 1996 for medium duty trucks
and RV use. Dodge started using it 1/1/98, so it's not
exactly "new" any more. Dodge refers to it as:
"Cummins 24 Valve Turbo Diesel" to simplify life for
the Dodge boys.

As long as I'm off-topic, allow me to correct a rumor
I helped spread earlier this year. While there are new
transmissions from Allison coming out, 1000, 2000 and
2400 series, they won't be in Dodges any time soon.
Dodge claims to be working on a new transmission of
their own to hold up to the Cummins in a satisfactory
manner, I'm not holding my breath over this one either.

Best Regards,
Robert

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> looked at a badge on the side of a ram, and saw that it said 24 valve diesel
> *whatever*. was wondering if this was something new? (the badge or the
> heads).
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:20:12 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N/Catback??

In a message dated 7/27/99 9:10:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wolf enter.net
writes:


Date: 7/27/99 9:10:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Hi all,

I have a 99 F250 SD 5.4 and would like to
install a K&N filter and a Gibson dual exit
catback.
My questions are:

Is there an actual problem with the oil from the
K&N flowing back and screwing up a sensor?
(I had heard talk of possible problem)
--

Not that i am aware of and i have seen alot of K&N applications

And will the catback have any adverse affects
on the engine as far as computer compensation
and back pressure difference is concerned???
(burnt valves etc.)

- --absolutly not! if you want you can un hook battery for an hour or so
computer can reset, but not necessary.


Thanks
Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:49:35 -0500
From: "Parker & Heidi"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?

does anyone know what it's HP and TQ rating is? in proportion to the PSD?


- -----Original Message-----
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cummins 24 valve diesel?


> Ah, now what are you doing looking at Dodges? :)
>Cummins is going to 24 valve engines almost exclusively.
>The ISB (Interact Series B) in Cummins parlance,
>was introduced sometime in 1996 for medium duty trucks
>and RV use. Dodge started using it 1/1/98, so it's not
>exactly "new" any more. Dodge refers to it as:
>"Cummins 24 Valve Turbo Diesel" to simplify life for
>the Dodge boys.
>
> As long as I'm off-topic, allow me to correct a rumor
>I helped spread earlier this year. While there are new
>transmissions from Allison coming out, 1000, 2000 and
>2400 series, they won't be in Dodges any time soon.
>Dodge claims to be working on a new transmission of
>their own to hold up to the Cummins in a satisfactory
>manner, I'm not holding my breath over this one either.
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert
>
>In a message dated 7/27/99 8:41:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
whoz primary.net
>writes:
>
>> looked at a badge on the side of a ram, and saw that it said 24 valve
diesel
>> *whatever*. was wondering if this was something new? (the badge or the
>> heads).
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry Drum
Subject: FTE 97up - ABS Problem/Question

Hey Y'all, I have a couple questions/problems with my ABS. I have a 99
F150 with the V6 and 5 Spd. For th past 2-3 weeks I have been noticing
a problem arising with the ABS.

I first noticed the problem with the Brake Pedal. When I push the....

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