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97up-list-digest Tuesday, July 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 200



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350
FTE 97up - Gas prices
Re: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350
RE: FTE 97up - Oil Pressure (piston slap)
RE: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350
FTE 97up - EPA=Sell more fuel / 99.5 F350 PSD
RE: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices
Re: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350
RE: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 06:53:55 -0400
From: Rick Waldbart
Subject: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350

Good Morning,

I've been using vans as to haul my boats for a long time. As a rule I get the 3.73
rear end. This time around, I had even thought of trying out a 4.10, though I
haven't been aware of any difficulties with the 3.73. I'm sure no mechanic!

I was also thinking of ordering the 2000 E 350, but when I spoke to the dealer
he said he had something almost exactly like something I would order in a '99
sitting there on the lot, but it had a 3.55 rear end. This one also has the 4 spd auto trans.

My first thought is that no matter how good a 'deal' it may sound like, or actually
be, it's no bargain if it doesn't do the job. I usually try to get just what I need,
with some thought of overkill, and then I maintain the vehicles well. They generally
last a good long time.

I do a fair amount of hauling kids and loads of camping gear, along with a
8,000 lb boat. The E 250's I've had seemed pretty well bogged down with
that sort of load and that's the reason for going to the E 350. I haven't had the
7.3 PSD before.

This vehicle is on the Quigley 'pass through' dealer's lot at the moment. It has
already had the 4WD conversion. Do I need to pass on more information regarding
my use, or is this enough detail to help making the decision regarding the 3.55
rear end.

Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:00:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: FTE 97up - Gas prices

N.Lancaster, Ohio
87 octane 1.05
Diesel 1.14


> 87 octane 1.53 to 1.79 per gal
> Diesel 1.29 to 1.49 per gal

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 06:31:53 -0700
From: "mlester"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350

The 3.55 is too small.

I tow a 7400 lb trailer with a 3.73 and it works fine.

Martial
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Waldbart
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 4:02 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350


>
>Good Morning,
>
>I've been using vans as to haul my boats for a long time. As a rule I get
the 3.73
>rear end. This time around, I had even thought of trying out a 4.10, though
I
>haven't been aware of any difficulties with the 3.73. I'm sure no mechanic!
>
>I was also thinking of ordering the 2000 E 350, but when I spoke to the
dealer
>he said he had something almost exactly like something I would order in a
'99
>sitting there on the lot, but it had a 3.55 rear end. This one also has the
4 spd auto trans.
>
>My first thought is that no matter how good a 'deal' it may sound like, or
actually
>be, it's no bargain if it doesn't do the job. I usually try to get just
what I need,
>with some thought of overkill, and then I maintain the vehicles well. They
generally
>last a good long time.
>
>I do a fair amount of hauling kids and loads of camping gear, along with a
>8,000 lb boat. The E 250's I've had seemed pretty well bogged down with
>that sort of load and that's the reason for going to the E 350. I haven't
had the
>7.3 PSD before.
>
>This vehicle is on the Quigley 'pass through' dealer's lot at the moment.
It has
>already had the 4WD conversion. Do I need to pass on more information
regarding
>my use, or is this enough detail to help making the decision regarding the
3.55
>rear end.
>
>Thanks.
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:53:17 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Oil Pressure (piston slap)

I wonder if the original poster could read
the sticker on the side of the engine and
see where this engine was manufactured.
I heard that the piston slap problem was
originating from one engine plant. My 5.4L
was manufactured in Windsor Canada, and
does not exhibit the slap problem.

The sticker should be on the drivers side,
on the engine block below the head.

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
mailto:smdamelio cvs.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cvs.com

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> From: ATUMLAW aol.com[SMTP:ATUMLAW aol.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 9:00 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pressure
>
> In a message dated 7/23/99 7:53:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> dan peaktopeakrealty.com writes:
>
>
> about 30 seconds after starting it cold. >>
>
> I believe this is the piston slap that happens with some 5.4 L engines
> when
> it's cold. I read in Truck Trend mag that Ford is aware of the problem
> and
> has a fix almost ready, but I've been hearing that for a long time. The
> fix
> involves ripping the engine apart though.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:08:14 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350

I have a 6,000lb 25ft boat with a 1,000lb trailer.
I tow with a 97 F-150 SC 5.4L w/3.55:1 gears and tow pkg.
I'm amazed it tows as well as it does. 3.73:1 gears
would probably serve me better, but I have
not had any "power related" problems
while towing.

I tow 80 miles (each way) from Bellingham MA
to Dennisport MA (Cape Cod). The terrain varies.

I used to tow this with a 91 Bronco (351W)
and 3.55:1 gears. The F-150 powertrain is
MUCH better at towing this load.

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
mailto:smdamelio cvs.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cvs.com

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> From: mlester[SMTP:mlester pe.net]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 9:31 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350
>
> The 3.55 is too small.
>
> I tow a 7400 lb trailer with a 3.73 and it works fine.
>
> Martial
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Waldbart
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 4:02 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350
>
>
> >
> >Good Morning,
> >
> >I've been using vans as to haul my boats for a long time. As a rule I get
> the 3.73
> >rear end. This time around, I had even thought of trying out a 4.10,
> though
> I
> >haven't been aware of any difficulties with the 3.73. I'm sure no
> mechanic!
> >
> >I was also thinking of ordering the 2000 E 350, but when I spoke to the
> dealer
> >he said he had something almost exactly like something I would order in a
> '99
> >sitting there on the lot, but it had a 3.55 rear end. This one also has
> the
> 4 spd auto trans.
> >
> >My first thought is that no matter how good a 'deal' it may sound like,
> or
> actually
> >be, it's no bargain if it doesn't do the job. I usually try to get just
> what I need,
> >with some thought of overkill, and then I maintain the vehicles well.
> They
> generally
> >last a good long time.
> >
> >I do a fair amount of hauling kids and loads of camping gear, along with
> a
> >8,000 lb boat. The E 250's I've had seemed pretty well bogged down with
> >that sort of load and that's the reason for going to the E 350. I haven't
> had the
> >7.3 PSD before.
> >
> >This vehicle is on the Quigley 'pass through' dealer's lot at the moment.
> It has
> >already had the 4WD conversion. Do I need to pass on more information
> regarding
> >my use, or is this enough detail to help making the decision regarding
> the
> 3.55
> >rear end.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
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> >
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:18:45 -0500
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - EPA=Sell more fuel / 99.5 F350 PSD

Reading the list of gasoline and diesel prices reminded me of the =
evolution of rules for bulk storage of gasoline and diesel fuel. In the =
50/60's we were told to store above ground in a shaded area or building =
to prevent evaporization. Then in the late 60's we were told to put the =
tanks underground for fire prevention and to cut evaporization. Then in =
the late 70's early 80's we were told to dig them up again and store =
them above ground with a catch basin large enough to collect all the =
fuel stored in the tank should it spring a leak. Interestingly the catch =
basins fill with rain water leaving the tanks partially submerged in =
water, must be to help the tank manufactures sell more tanks when they =
rust through.
The real folly of these rules is the lack of common sense. I can not get =
my over head tank filled because it is "not red enough" and does not =
have a "whistler vent". So I have been farming with 5 and 6 gallon cans =
to fill my tractors. The stupid cans drizzle and drip a minimum of a =
pint of fuel on the ground each time I use a can. I use 600 - 700 =
gallons of fuel per year but have never bothered to figure out how much =
fuel I spill, lets see... at 600 gallons divided by 5 gallon cans, times =
1 to 1.5 pints spilled per can =3D 120 pints minimum spilled per year. =
Interestingly I never spilled a drop when I used the over head tank. On =
the positive side some one is selling at least a 120 pints more of fuel =
per year because of our big brother government who "knows all / sees =
all". The down side is the mess it makes of my tractor hoods, but the =
positive thing is no grass grows by the machine shed where I fill the =
tractors ( I always had grass growning around the overhead tank and =
still do have grass growing there). Guess I better get busey and =
paint/letter/update my overhead tank.
Anyone who followed the EPA lawsuits and fines against the diesel engine =
manufactures has to wonder how an agency can make rules (emissions =
regulations) which were met as written, but then have the EPA basically =
say "we didn't mean it that way" and fine the engine manufactures after =
they met the rules given them by the EPA. The debate was over the =
"cruise" mode of the diesel engines because the engine timing was =
advanced for highway cruising to get better fuel economy. EPA wanted =
the engine timing to be retarded during cruise mode for lower emissions, =
but lower fuel economy. In the long run when does burning more fuel help =
our long term environment/resources? (or spilling it on the ground =
because of rule changes) Enough rambling - sorry about the fuel issues - =
but hey, we as consumers pay directly from our back pocket for all this =
nonsense!

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:59:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sandman
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

Of course, it depends on what part of Houston. I live in Clear Lake,
where 87 octane is $1.19, but its $0.99 in Humble. The lowest I got gas
for was a few months ago for $0.75. Of course, we pay way too much for
Insurance(at leat in Harris county), so unless you do a lot of driving,
like me(20-30K a year), it
evens out.

On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 Dmoore dmoore.com wrote:

> You guys should move to Houston, TX -
>
> Diesel - .98 to 1.05 but I usually find it for about .99
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of pennhead
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 11:32 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices
>
>
> Jonesboro, Arkansas
>
> Regular Unleaded $1.11 / gal
> Super Unleaded $1.21 / gal
> Premium Unleaded $1.31 / gal
>
> And this is the highest it's been in over a year! (2) months ago, these
> prices were $0.89, $0.99, & $1.09, respectively.
>
> I guess we have it better than I thought here in the south!
>

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:57:15 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350

If your getting the Power Stroke I'd reccomend the 3.55 or the 3.73 with no
real preference for either. If you decide to go with a gasoline engine I'd
recomend at least 3.73 and preferably 4.10. Remember where the power band
of the diesel engine is (down low) so reving it up won't neccisarily be
better for towing.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Waldbart
To:
Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 5:53 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Rear ends E 350


>
> Good Morning,
>
> I've been using vans as to haul my boats for a long time. As a rule I get
the 3.73
> rear end. This time around, I had even thought of trying out a 4.10,
though I
> haven't been aware of any difficulties with the 3.73. I'm sure no
mechanic!
>
> I was also thinking of ordering the 2000 E 350, but when I spoke to the
dealer
> he said he had something almost exactly like something I would order in a
'99
> sitting there on the lot, but it had a 3.55 rear end. This one also has
the 4 spd auto trans.
>
> My first thought is that no matter how good a 'deal' it may sound like, or
actually
> be, it's no bargain if it doesn't do the job. I usually try to get just
what I need,
> with some thought of overkill, and then I maintain the vehicles well. They
generally
> last a good long time.
>
> I do a fair amount of hauling kids and loads of camping gear, along with a
> 8,000 lb boat. The E 250's I've had seemed pretty well bogged down with
> that sort of load and that's the reason for going to the E 350. I haven't
had the
> 7.3 PSD before.
>
> This vehicle is on the Quigley 'pass through' dealer's lot at the moment.
It has
> already had the 4WD conversion. Do I need to pass on more information
regarding
> my use, or is this enough detail to help making the decision regarding the
3.55
> rear end.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:59:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sandman
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

Of course, it depends on what part of Houston. I live in Clear Lake,
where 87 octane is $1.19, but its $0.99 in Humble. The lowest I got gas
for was a few months ago for $0.75. Of course, we pay way too much for
Insurance(at leat in Harris county), so unless you do a lot of driving,
like me(20-30K a year), it
evens out.

On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 Dmoore dmoore.com wrote:

> You guys should move to Houston, TX -
>
> Diesel - .98 to 1.05 but I usually find it for about .99
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of pennhead
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 11:32 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
....

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