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Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pressure
FTE 97up - New Suspension System
Re: FTE 97up - F-150 themostat
FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Accident
FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices
FTE 97up - Astro Euro-Lids
Re: FTE 97up - New Suspension System
Re: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:36:30 +0200
From: eh60ip mail.apcnet.com (Don Francis)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pressure

If my truck knocked loudly when I first started it, and it was still
under warranty, I'd park it overnight at the dealership, then return in
the morning to assemble the sales manager, maintenance manager, and a
mechanic in a small group to hear it for themselves. I'd demand a
repair, and I then wouldn't drive it off the lot until it had again sat
for at least 24 hours on their lot after they "repaired it". After it
had sat for 24 hours with the keys in my possession, I'd then start it
up and if it was not knocking I'd call it a success. I'd then want a
full explanation as to what was wrong that caused the problem.

For some mysterious reason, some dealerships do just about everything
they can to avoid warranty work. I cannot understand the behavior,
because it ultimately pisses off the customer, and the customers are
what makes a dealership survive. Piss off enough customers, and the
word is bound to get out on the street that the Ford dealership is a
crook.

I've only had one dealing with my local Ford dealership in Fayetteville
NC so far, and I was not impressed. I had them replace the passenger
door lock (electric lock) and the heater blower fan - the bill was over
$300. I could have easily done the work myself, but I didn't have time
with my work schedule, and I couldn't afford to drive my truck in an
inadvertent instrument meteorological condition (fogged windows) and
risk running over one of the neighbors kids waiting for the schoolbus
because of a limited visibility problem. I had to take the truck back
to the dealership three times for a mysterious "check engine" light that
started coming on after their maintenance, and it was no easy feat to
convince the maintenance manager that I didn't have that problem prior
to whatever it was that they did to cause it. One of their mechanics
tinkered under the hood for 15 minutes and claimed to have fixed it,
while I discussed the finer aspects of good maintenance with the shop
supervisor.....I got out of the parking lot when it came back on. I
turned around, and they tinkered on it again. It went out and I was
back the next day with the same problem. The maintenance manager asked
me to leave the vehicle, and I asked him if I would be charged for this
problem that they created - he told me that they were not responsible
for "other things that break as a result of scheduled maintenance". I
threatened to write a short letter to the editor of the local paper,
being as it is that I happen to like to write, and he capitulated and
had someone repair it on the spot. Something very small was replaced in
less than 5 minutes, and I was happily on my way. I think it was a
harness clip or something stupid like that, but I cannot see paying a
$50 shop fee for some gorilla that breaks one of the other plastic parts
under the hood while removing a blower motor.

Sometimes playing hardball is a prerequisite to dealing with folks that
think once it's sold it's no longer their responsibility.

Don

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:15:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: cepek ix.netcom.com
Subject: FTE 97up - New Suspension System

Ken/Group:

I checked with Ken prior to posting this to the list and he has approved it.

I have been on this list for quite some time, and usually do not post
to the list itself, but rather to the individual members.

We have a new suspension system for the F-250/350 that will be introduced
and available by the end of July.

I thought this may be of interest to some of the members and in addition
i will provide any list member interested in purchasing this product a
10% discount.

We have a new 6" lift for the Ford Super duty and one of the main
enhancements with our kit is ride quality.

This kit has the following-

1. A 10 leaf, multi-stage, Max-ride springs with O.E. style press
in bushings for superior ride quality.

2. Max-travel replacement front shackles allow for full
spring articulation without frame contact.

3. High performance Urethane replacement bump stops.

4. Massive trac-bar relocation brackets and extended pitman
arm maintain proper steering geometry.

5. Extended sway-bar links with Urethane bushings for
added stability.

6. Two stage max-ride rear add-a-leaf system provides lift
without stacking blocks, eliminating axle wrap while
providing a smooth ride.

7. 77 or 88 Race series shocks for additional enhanced ride qualtiy.

This kit fits all vehicles produced through March of 99' and a kit that
fits production models after that date will be available approximately
30 days later.

If you have an interest in purhcasing this kit, or would like any additional
information, please contact me directly off the list.

Thanks, Tom Cepek/Dick Cepek, Inc.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:22:17 EDT
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150 themostat

Glenn S See wrote:
...
From previous posts:

...
>"...If you lower the operating temp by say 10-20 deg. you have the
>ability to create a denser air/fuel mixture..."
>
>True

False.
The temp of the engine itself has little to do with the density of the
incoming air/fuel charge.
If the intake opens to the engine compartment, lowering the engine temp by
using a cooler thermostat will raise the under-hood temperature (that extra
heat has to go somewhere), making for a less dense charge. But it's the air
temp that makes for the less dense charge, not the cooler engine per se.
If the intake opens to the outside (as most of our newer trucks do), then
engine temp will make no difference at all (the charge picks up very little
heat from the intake plumbing).
This is a common mistake; within design parameters, a hotter engine is more
efficient than a cooler one. Within the same design parameters, a cooler air
intake produces more power than a hot one. Producing more power also produces
more engine heat, requiring a better cooling system, raising under-hood
temps. That's why the engineers went to air intakes opening to the outsude
air, even with the problems that brings on.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:37:35 EDT
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Accident

This is like claiming to be a vegetarian while eating a steak.
Your definitions are confused. "Tree-hugging Liberals" simply don't drive
F-150s and Expeditions, by definition.
You may like to call yourself that, but that doesn't make you one.
I don't doubt your Liberal politics, and that's your right. However, among
"Tree-hugging Liberals", both full-size pickups and SUVs in general (and
full-sized SUVs like the Expedition in particular) are reviled.
I don't want to get into a political debate, but this is pretty basic.

Bill

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Subject: RE: EXPEDITION: Accident

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael P. Deignan
>
> Once again, a testament to the fact that, regardless of what the
> tree-hugging, anti-SUV liberals would like us to drive, when it
> comes to protecting my family, I'm going to pick a tank any day
> of the week.
>
> I'm sure all those tree-huggers would have felt a lot better had your
> family been crushed in your VW beetle.

Michael,

Your message is insulting, rude and completely uncalled for. I'm a
"tree-hugging liberal" who drives a X and an F-150 for the very same
reason that you do.

This is a public mailing list with many different kinds of people who
have a common interest in Ford Expeditions. So why would you post this
kind of message? Would you do make the same statement in person? Are
you just thoughtless or do you honestly believe that anyone is
conspiring to harm your family?

I take your message as a personal insult. Just because I can't see
you is no excuse for rudeness. You owe me an apology.

Bert
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:01:37 EDT
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

I gotta wonder...
Here in Phoenix, the prices for 87 octane average $1.30 (as reported); I pay
about $1.15.
Here, there are two distributorss of gasoline; Tosco, and I don't remember
the name of the other. ALL brands buy from them (or truck their own in at
high cost). If there were really an attempt to get as much as they could,
what's to keep the prices from being $1.50, $1.75 or $2.00/gal?
It's *competition*.
Anyone who really thinks that profits are too high in the business ought to
buy stock in the involved companies.
Bill

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From: "Burt Mann"
Subject: Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

>Here in the SF Bay Area, we're back over $1.70 for regular unleaded...

As we all suspect there's something funny going on here. I live 6 miles over
the GA/NC state line and gas is consistently 15 cents a gal higher in NC
than in GA. However, this last increase only pushed NC up about 10 cents but
GA has gone up 20 cents. The good news is that I can still buy it for close
to 1.00 a gallon (or 1.05 in NC). I think they're just squeezing us for
whatever they can get, aka Business as Usual.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:05:59 -0500
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Astro Euro-Lids

Has anyone out there had any experience with the Astro Euro-Lids Fiberglass
Bed Covers? I was at a dealer near me today and he has one instock the exact
color for my truck which is Light Prairie Tan. He said it was part of his
original stock and has had it for about eight months. He wants $599 for it
installed. He told me that this has not been a very popular color for
him......but I do love my color and have seen hundreds of them on the road
this color. I had never heard of the euro lid before going into his store.
This particular cover comes with a carpeted underside and dome light and it
also has the rail system so I wont have to drill into the truck. The regualr
price was $699 .....so he was discounting $100 to move it. It did have a
couple minor scratches but they could hardly be noticed. The model it was
was the Euro II. Their website is at www.astro-cap.com. He also had two
others in the store at this price.....one pacific green and one burgundy for
SWB Styleside F150. I was just curious if anyone has had any problems with
this particular brand. I may go bak in a couple weeks and offer a little
less and see what happens.

Thanks In Advance

Ron


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:16:07 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Suspension System

In a message dated 7/24/99 11:17:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cepek ix.netcom.com writes:

Do you happen to have anything for leveling the front on the '99 4x4/ F250SD/
PSD


Ross Smith
99 F250 PSD/SC/4x4



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Ken/Group:

I checked with Ken prior to posting this to the list and he has
approved it.

I have been on this list for quite some time, and usually do not post
to the list itself, but rather to the individual members.

We have a new suspension system for the F-250/350 that will be
introduced
and available by the end of July.

I thought this may be of interest to some of the members and in
addition
i will provide any list member interested in purchasing this product a
10% discount.

We have a new 6" lift for the Ford Super duty and one of the main
enhancements with our kit is ride quality.

This kit has the following-

1. A 10 leaf, multi-stage, Max-ride springs with O.E. style press
in bushings for superior ride quality.

2. Max-travel replacement front shackles allow for full
spring articulation without frame contact.

3. High performance Urethane replacement bump stops.

4. Massive trac-bar relocation brackets and extended pitman
arm maintain proper steering geometry.

5. Extended sway-bar links with Urethane bushings for
added stability.

6. Two stage max-ride rear add-a-leaf system provides lift
without stacking blocks, eliminating axle wrap while
providing a smooth ride.

7. 77 or 88 Race series shocks for additional enhanced ride
qualtiy.

This kit fits all vehicles produced through March of 99' and a kit
that
fits production models after that date will be available approximately
30 days later.

If you have an interest in purhcasing this kit, or would like any
additional
information, please contact me directly off the list.

Thanks, Tom Cepek/Dick Cepek, Inc.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:16:04 EDT
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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

In a message dated 7/24/99 2:04:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BFunk33 aol.com
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S. FL avg 1.16 diesel
1.44 super

RS

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I gotta wonder...
Here in Phoenix, the prices for 87 octane average $1.30 (as reported); I pay
about $1.15.
Here, there are two distributorss of gasoline; Tosco, and I don't remember
the name of the other. ALL brands buy from them (or truck their own in at
high cost). If there were really an attempt to get as much as they could,
what's to keep the prices from being $1.50, $1.75 or $2.00/gal?
It's *competition*.
Anyone who really thinks that profits are too high in the business ought to
buy stock in the involved companies.
Bill

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From: "Burt Mann"
Subject: Re: EXPEDITION: Gas prices

>Here in the SF Bay Area, we're back over $1.70 for regular unleaded...

As we all suspect there's something funny going on here. I live 6 miles over
the GA/NC state line and gas is consistently 15 cents a gal higher in NC
than in GA. However, this last increase only pushed NC up about 10 cents but
GA has gone up 20 cents. The good news is that I can still buy it for close
to 1.00 a gallon (or 1.05 in NC). I think they're just squeezing us for
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