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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Squeaky bushings (front springs)
RE: FTE 97up - Squeaky bushings (front springs)
RE: FTE 97up - PSD problems, part ummmm, cant count that high, 7 I think??
FTE 97up - Paint Scratch - Touch Up ?
RE: FTE 97up - Paint Scratch - Touch Up ?
RE: FTE 97up - Knocking & Pinging
FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD
RE: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD
Re: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD
FTE 97up - More power....
Re: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD
Re: FTE 97up - Knocking & Pinging
Re: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD
FTE 97up - 99 f-150
FTE 97up - Y2K Colors

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:20:07 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Squeaky bushings (front springs)

Mine is doing the same thing. Yes, it drives me nuts. I have been
calling the dealer every week, looking for a fix and they keep telling me
that Ford is working on a fix. What I found though is to use a lubricant
called Tal5. It is made by WD40. Anyway, if I spray my springeye and
swaybar bushungs down with this stuff, I get about 3 weeks of peace and
quiet. ANy other lubricant only gets me about 2-3 days.


Mike Strukel
99 F250 SD, V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains

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From: William Street [mailto:wstreet streetsys.com]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:25 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Squeaky bushings (front springs)


Arrggghhhh!!!.... I can't stand it much longer. When are the new
bushings
going to be available? TSB Number?

My 40K truck sounds like a Yugo (OK that's a stretch but ....).

Anybody have any more info? Nathan?

Thanks

Bill

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 04:51:20 PDT
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Squeaky bushings (front springs)

Dish soap my friends....liquid dish soap.



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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:22:59 -0500
From: "Cavanaugh, Craig L"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - PSD problems, part ummmm, cant count that high, 7 I think??

I purchased a new 99 Ranger XLT 4x4 right after Christmas. It broke down 3
times (left me stranded in Michigan during the second big snow storm) within
the first 500 miles. My local Ford dealer (Indiana) had to call the tech
center and have them force the Michigan dealer into replacing the fuel pump.

Well, on the way home this weekend, the truck cut out on the middle of an
exit ramp. It blew the fuel pump fuse. I'm waiting for it to die
completely. After that, Ford gets it back because of Indiana lemon law. I
like the truck a lot, but I can't trust it anymore. I'm still not sure if
I'll buy another Ford or not. I realize that the fuel pump problem is a
manufacturing/design problem that can be fixed, but I need a reliable truck
now.

Craig

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Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 9:29 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD problems, part ummmm, cant count that high, 7 I
think??


Ahh, the saga continues. When last we heard from our
intrepid
F350 driver, the dealer replaced the electric fuel pump, (#5) and the new
one
(#6) proceeded to die in his shop. Then, they miracuosly produced 2, yup, 2
samples of "contaminated" fuel from "our" trucks tank. Well, funny thing, I
have the bottles on my desk, and they are 2, yup, 2 different color fuels.
Imagine that!

So, anyway, we got the truck back last week. Drove it till today,
when poof, the fuel pump fuse blew again. replaced it, blew again. Wanna bet

the fuel pump (#7) died again? Oh well, we towed it at our expense to a
truck
only dealer this time, keep ya posted.....

Scott

2) 99 F350 PSD DRW... One runs
3) 99 F150: 2 x 4.2, 1 x 4.6
Half dozen other assorted Fords, 93 an up. To heck with metric, bring back
the 351!!
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:55:13 -0500
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - Paint Scratch - Touch Up ?

Well it finally happened, the first scratch in my 99.5 F350 CC. It came =
from the ape who put my brush gaurd on. Looks like it only scratched the =
clear coat, not the base paint ( black ). What is the best way to fix =
this, about 2"long and 3/16" wide? Should I touch it up with clear coat =
or do the dealers have touch up paint in bottles? Thanks.
Dan - Wisconsin

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:03:42 -0500
From: "Owens, Robbie A"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Paint Scratch - Touch Up ?

If this is just a surface scratch with no depth, a good wax job will hide
all surface scratches. I have had many surface scratches on my cars and wax
always hides them. Now if this is a scratch with any kind of depth then I
would get some touch up paint from the dealer (yes it comes in a little
bottle with a brush) and fill in the scratch.
Rob Owens
Boeing Aerospace Operations
Buyer
Navy E-6 Program
405-739-4874

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> Subject: FTE 97up - Paint Scratch - Touch Up ?
>
> Well it finally happened, the first scratch in my 99.5 F350 CC. It came
> from the ape who put my brush gaurd on. Looks like it only scratched the
> clear coat, not the base paint ( black ). What is the best way to fix
> this, about 2"long and 3/16" wide? Should I touch it up with clear coat or
> do the dealers have touch up paint in bottles? Thanks.
> Dan - Wisconsin
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:41:02 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Knocking & Pinging

It's a long shot IMO, but carbon deposits in the
combustion chamber will effectively reduce
the size of the chamber. This will raise
compression, producing pre-detonation (ping).

I would try an inexpensive solution first. A
good fuel additive (Chevron makes a highly regarded one)
may break up the deposits and clean the chamber.

Also, I don't believe in wasting money on higher
octane fuel that does has no benefits for
your engine. But, I will use a higher octane
in the summer (especially when towing)
since it will burn cooler. Another reason
for pre-detonation is a hot running engine.

(disclaimer: OK, OK, higher octane may
not actually burn cooler, but the flash
point is higher. you get the idea)


Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> Subject: FTE 97up - Knocking & Pinging
>
> Help...
>
> I have a 98' F-150 5.4 with 42,000 miles. About a month ago I started
> noticing a knocking noise on acceleration. I use the recommended 87
> octane
> fuel. I changed brands to see if it was bad gas, and it stayed the same.
> It is now gotten much worse. I called my dealership today, and they said
> that it is normal. Said something about carbon deposits make the engine
> do
> that. As long as the check engine light does not come on, I'm o.k. To
> help, they suggested that I either should use higher octane and ignore it,
> or pay to have the injectors cleaned. It supposed to help remove those
> deposits. I know that a higher octane might help, but if the engine is
> knocking, something is not right. I'm supposed to have the work done on
> Weds. so any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:12:19 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD

Hit an oil gusher on the drive home from work yesterday.
No it wasn't in an oil field, it under my hood. Started to
smell oil - but there were a lot of trucks on the road. Saw
smoke out the back window - but thought it was dust from
the gravel roads. Then the truck began to hesitate and lose
power, that's when I knew there was something very wrong.

Funny thing is I looked at the gauges - all normal, with no
idiot lights now on. I pulled over and put the truck in park.
came around the back end and saw the rear bumper covered
with oil and through the wheel well saw the differential also
with oil heading up the drive shaft toward the front. Who no,
could it be the oil filter or oil drain valve that was leaking, see
I did my first oil change myself. So I dropped down and looked
under but both were fine. But by the transmission bell/horn, oil was
streaming down. I next opened the hood and what a shock! My
once spotless new engine was totally covered with oil. Every
where there was dripping hot oil. I shut the engine off here.

The leak appeared to be originating from beneath the black shroud
that has the words "Turbo Diesel" on it. But I can't be sure because
everything was like I said, dripping wet with oil.

Anyway, had it towed to the nearest Ford dealership, it was after hours
so their service department was closed. By the way, my rear bumper now
looks slightly up as a result of the tow ( what a weak bumper).

Have three questions:

One - will the warranty cover the extensive oil clean-up?
Two - will it also reimburse me for the fifty dollar tow?
Three - what about my "looking upward" back bumper?

One for Nathan, will my truck get equal attention from this
dealership - even though I didn't buy it there?

Thanks,

Charles.



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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:38:40 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD

> could it be the oil filter or oil drain valve that was leaking, see
> I did my first oil change myself. So I dropped down and looked
> under but both were fine. But by the transmission bell/horn, oil was
> streaming down.
>
Sorry to hear this, sounds like a rear main seal went big time.
(If I had to guess).

My first thought was that
your oil filter was "double gasketed". This
happens a lot on first oil changes. The
original gasket sticks to the engine block
(new painted engine) and the filter is
removed without noticing the gasket was
left behind. But the resulting oil spill from this
is usually immediate.

Steve

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:08:17 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD

The High Pressure Oil pump for the HEUI injection is in the area you
described and I'd guess your leak is from that (hence the high volume of oil
sprayed out without changing the engine oil pressure gauge, also would make
the engine loose power). As for getting the best care for your truck, it
all depends, we take MUCH better care of the vehicles that we sell than ones
that come from out of town, but if someone traveling through has a problem
that's a different story. As for towing you need to call Roadside
assistance to get reimbursed. The dealer can't help you with that, Its a
different division that is very friendly to customers but treats dealers
very poorly. As for the back bumper that would be the towing companies
responsibility. They should have insurance to cover this.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Abraham
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 11:12 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD


> Hit an oil gusher on the drive home from work yesterday.
> No it wasn't in an oil field, it under my hood. Started to
> smell oil - but there were a lot of trucks on the road. Saw
> smoke out the back window - but thought it was dust from
> the gravel roads. Then the truck began to hesitate and lose
> power, that's when I knew there was something very wrong.
>
> Funny thing is I looked at the gauges - all normal, with no
> idiot lights now on. I pulled over and put the truck in park.
> came around the back end and saw the rear bumper covered
> with oil and through the wheel well saw the differential also
> with oil heading up the drive shaft toward the front. Who no,
> could it be the oil filter or oil drain valve that was leaking, see
> I did my first oil change myself. So I dropped down and looked
> under but both were fine. But by the transmission bell/horn, oil was
> streaming down. I next opened the hood and what a shock! My
> once spotless new engine was totally covered with oil. Every
> where there was dripping hot oil. I shut the engine off here.
>
> The leak appeared to be originating from beneath the black shroud
> that has the words "Turbo Diesel" on it. But I can't be sure because
> everything was like I said, dripping wet with oil.
>
> Anyway, had it towed to the nearest Ford dealership, it was after hours
> so their service department was closed. By the way, my rear bumper now
> looks slightly up as a result of the tow ( what a weak bumper).
>
> Have three questions:
>
> One - will the warranty cover the extensive oil clean-up?
> Two - will it also reimburse me for the fifty dollar tow?
> Three - what about my "looking upward" back bumper?
>
> One for Nathan, will my truck get equal attention from this
> dealership - even though I didn't buy it there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles.
>


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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:52:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: FTE 97up - More power....

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:00:17 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD

Nathan,

Thanks for the your response. I've heard from others that the bumper
misalignment is
a common problem - holes being bigger than bolts, so I'll try to fixed it myself
by losening
the bolts and applying some pressure to get it straight.

What about clean-up? I just spoke a minute ago with the Service person and he
said
that Ford won't pay for engine "detailing". But they would clean it up the best
they
could, which didn't sound like I should expect very much.

Charles.


Union Auto wrote:

> The High Pressure Oil pump for the HEUI injection is in the area you
> described and I'd guess your leak is from that (hence the high volume of oil
> sprayed out without changing the engine oil pressure gauge, also would make
> the engine loose power). As for getting the best care for your truck, it
> all depends, we take MUCH better care of the vehicles that we sell than ones
> that come from out of town, but if someone traveling through has a problem
> that's a different story. As for towing you need to call Roadside
> assistance to get reimbursed. The dealer can't help you with that, Its a
> different division that is very friendly to customers but treats dealers
> very poorly. As for the back bumper that would be the towing companies
> responsibility. They should have insurance to cover this.
>
> Nathan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Abraham
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 11:12 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD
>
> > Hit an oil gusher on the drive home from work yesterday.
> > No it wasn't in an oil field, it under my hood. Started to
> > smell oil - but there were a lot of trucks on the road. Saw
> > smoke out the back window - but thought it was dust from
> > the gravel roads. Then the truck began to hesitate and lose
> > power, that's when I knew there was something very wrong.
> >
> > Funny thing is I looked at the gauges - all normal, with no
> > idiot lights now on. I pulled over and put the truck in park.
> > came around the back end and saw the rear bumper covered
> > with oil and through the wheel well saw the differential also
> > with oil heading up the drive shaft toward the front. Who no,
> > could it be the oil filter or oil drain valve that was leaking, see
> > I did my first oil change myself. So I dropped down and looked
> > under but both were fine. But by the transmission bell/horn, oil was
> > streaming down. I next opened the hood and what a shock! My
> > once spotless new engine was totally covered with oil. Every
> > where there was dripping hot oil. I shut the engine off here.
> >
> > The leak appeared to be originating from beneath the black shroud
> > that has the words "Turbo Diesel" on it. But I can't be sure because
> > everything was like I said, dripping wet with oil.
> >
> > Anyway, had it towed to the nearest Ford dealership, it was after hours
> > so their service department was closed. By the way, my rear bumper now
> > looks slightly up as a result of the tow ( what a weak bumper).
> >
> > Have three questions:
> >
> > One - will the warranty cover the extensive oil clean-up?
> > Two - will it also reimburse me for the fifty dollar tow?
> > Three - what about my "looking upward" back bumper?
> >
> > One for Nathan, will my truck get equal attention from this
> > dealership - even though I didn't buy it there?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charles.
> >
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:31:17 -0400
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Knocking & Pinging

The terms are "pre-ignition" and/or "detonation". They are seperate
problems. Detonation can cause pre-igintion.

If detonation take place, it occurs during the third stage of
combustion. It is caused by the rapidly burning flame front compressing
the unburned
part of the mixture to the point of self-iginition. This secondary wave
front collides with the normal flame and makes an audible
knock or pinging
sound.

Detonation harms the engine and decreases your performance in several
ways. In extreme cases, pistons may shatter, cylinders
burst, or cylinder
heads crack. At times, these temps resulting from detonation may reach
the point where the piston actually melts. Other effects of
detonation may
be: overheating of the engine, broken spark plugs, overloaded bearing,
high fuel consumption, loss of power.

The causes of detonation include:

Lean air-fuel mixtures
Fuel of too low octane rating.
Ignition timing over advanced
lugging the engine (gear is too high for the speed of the engine).
Excessive carbon accumulation in the combustion chamber

Pre ignition is the igniting of the fuel charge before the regular
ignition spark. If the premature combustion is completed before the
occurrence of
the regular spark, there may be no identifying noise. However, if the
regular ignition sparks follows shortly after the pre ignition
occurs, there will
be a pinging noise when the two flame fronts collide. Also, pre ignition
can lead to detonation. These two types of abnormal
combustion are closely
linked and often it is difficult to distinguish between them.

The main causes of pre ignition include:

Carbon deposits that remain incandescent.
Valves operating at higher than normal temp.
Hot spots caused by defects in cooling system.
Spark plugs that run too hot.
Sharp edges in the combustion chamber.
Detonation

SAE



"D'Amelio, Stephen M." wrote:
>
> It's a long shot IMO, but carbon deposits in the
> combustion chamber will effectively reduce
> the size of the chamber. This will raise
> compression, producing pre-detonation (ping).
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:29:18 -0400
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - First BIG Problem with 99.5 PSD

My question would be: how much oil was spewed out (how much remained)
and would this be a precursor to early wear/ failure of
any of the power train parts?

SAE



Charles Abraham wrote:
> Have three questions:
>
> One - will the warranty cover the extensive oil clean-up?
> Two - will it also reimburse me for the fifty dollar tow?
> Three - what about my "looking upward" back bumper?
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:06:01 EDT
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 f-150

well, i hear that the problems with alot of people's fords are piling up.
not a good thing, i have never had a problem with any of my ford
vehicles(call it luck??) i just hope that you guys still buy ford and keep
the most reliable, best built work trucks, and we can ensure that ford stays
the best selling. but i'm all for buying a dodge or chevy truck if you want
to see how reliable it is in comparison. i just wouldn't do it. my 99 f-150
sc 4.6 4x2 runs like a champ. it only has 2500 mi on it, but then
again the 87 f-250 we had(460cid) had 600,000mi on it when we sold it for
the 95 f-350 psd dually.(i should say my fathers trucks!!) the 87 ford had
three engines replaced because he towed well over it towing capacity for a
long time. no truck takes well to that kind of abuse.

good luck with the trucks guys, keep us posted ( it lets us young guys learn
more about our ford truck)

thanks,
Bill
99 f-150 4.6L 3.55 sc 4x2
punxsutawney, pennsylvania
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