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97up-list-digest Wednesday, July 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 187



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - question about auto tranny overdrive
Re: FTE 97up - question about auto tranny overdrive
FTE 97up - 99 F350 PSD Experience after 3,000 mile trip
FTE 97up - '99 F150 V6 Dual Exhaust
RE: FTE 97up - 99 F350 PSD Experience after 3,000 mile trip
FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.
FTE 97up - Another Look at Airbox Setup on PSD
Re: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.
FTE 97up - 99 f-150 4.6
Re: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.
Re: FTE 97up - 99 f-150 4.6
RE: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F350 PSD Experience after 3,000 mile trip
FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking. -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking. -Reply

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:47:25 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question about auto tranny overdrive

Your biggest problem will be around 45 mph which is the shift point for OD.
At that speed in traffic you will find the transmission hunting in and out of
OD. Below say 40 it won't care, it's out of OD anyway.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:35:27 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question about auto tranny overdrive

Unless you are towing or are in the mountains and want to use the engine for
braking leave overdrive on.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 1:26 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - question about auto tranny overdrive


> i have a 99 f-150 4.6L 3.55 axle sc. just driving around town and on
the
> interstate highways, is it best to use overdrive or just drive? will
using
> overdrive all the time except when towing overwork the tranny? i know
it's
> better on gas mileage, but i don't want to overwork my tranny just to get
> better gas mileage.
> i love the truck though
>
>
> Bill
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:27:34 -0500
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F350 PSD Experience after 3,000 mile trip

My 99 F350 CC PSD 6SPD 4X4 LB XLT finally made it home a week and a half =
after I returned home from vacation. At 4,802 miles a gear broke in the =
transfer case (casting flaw) leaving the transfer case in neutral. I was =
in 2wd, at highway speed towing a 28' travel trailer when it broke. No =
warning, no sound, just could not put any power through the transfer =
case. Found out Ford will only tow up to 35 miles under warranty, =
anything over that you're on your own. They did pay to have the travel =
trailer towed also which was nice. Glad it broke in Wisconsin, and not =
in Wyoming or South Dakota where I was earlier that day where dealers =
are alot more than 35 miles appart!=20
Also had a custom deer/brush gaurd made. During the process we removed =
the front bumper and what a surprise. The SD bumpers are nothing more =
than heavy sheet metal, very flimsy. Appear to be about 14 gauge sheet =
metal. They look beefy by design, but would not protect in even the most =
minor parking lot mishap, should hold up against small birds and insects =
though.
The lower radiator and oil cooler are only protected by the plastic =
valance on the lower bumper.
The engine performed excellent through the 3,000 miles of towing a 28' =
travel trailer. Milage was 10.5 as the lowest, and 12.4 as the highest =
at 65 mph (3.73 axle), terrain was Wis., Minn., S.D., Wym., Mont. =
interstate and mountain driving with about 50 miles of 4 wheeling. The =
6SPD shifted quite hard when the truck was new, but shifts a lot easier =
now that it has a few miles on it. If the engine had about 20 more horse =
power and 50 lbs/ft. of torque more it would be an awsome tow vehicle! =
Don't get me wrong, I think the truck is a great truck, but you know the =
routine, some is good, more is better, and too much is just right.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:44:30 -0500
From: "M. Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F150 V6 Dual Exhaust

Recently bought a new F150 with 4.2 V6/5-speed. Love the truck, but it
doesn't have much grunt. I noticed that it has dual-cats running into a
single muffler. This looks like it would be easy to add dual-exhaust. Would
dual flowmasters or other performance mufflers add to the performance? Or is
it not worth the expense?

Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:10:05 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99 F350 PSD Experience after 3,000 mile trip

> ----------
> From: DanBrotzman[SMTP:no1windo frontiernet.net]
>
> During the process we removed the front bumper and what a surprise. The SD
> bumpers are nothing more than heavy sheet metal, very flimsy. Appear to be
> about 14 gauge sheet metal. They look beefy by design, but would not
> protect in even the most minor parking lot mishap, should hold up against
> small birds and insects though.
> The lower radiator and oil cooler are only protected by the plastic
> valance on the lower bumper.
>
This may be a rare case where we actually WANT the government to get
involved.
Cars are mandated to take more punishment than trucks (unregulated). I heard
that
the government is looking into mandating 5mph bumpers on trucks/suvs also.

> If the engine had about 20 more horse power and 50 lbs/ft. of torque more
> it would be an awsome tow vehicle! Don't get me wrong, I think the truck
> is a great truck, but you know the routine, some is good, more is better,
> and too much is just right.
>
Just curious, does Ford use a Borg Warner TC in the F350? I always had good
luck with them. I really wanted
a (used) PSD when I was looking for a truck to tow my 25ft boat. (about 7K
lbs) But here in the NE the used
market for PSDs is scarce. I heard great things about that engine with
regard to plowing also.
I ended up with a 5.4L F150 SC and I slipped the boat. I only have to tow
twice a year now.

Steve

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:29:01 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.

With the recent talk about HP and torque specs on the Tritons,
it appears there is a common thread. These engines apparently
need to "loosen up" a bit before coming into there own. This
could be due to bearing or piston clearances, but it does appear
they gain some power, and the more pistons, the more apparent
it seems.

Soooo, do you think our engines are eventually out-performing the
specs? If the engine specs where compiled from new, tight engines,
perhaps....

Also, where DID Ford get those extra ponies in the 99 V8s ? I have
a 97 and I can't believe they re-camed or did any extensive internal
changes.

And while I'm on the subject of HP. I have the "shorty" side exhaust
(the subject of a TSB) but don't see any need to replace it. I assume
it was changed due to moisture on the rear drums/brakes etc. I have
not seen evidence of this on my truck. What I DO like is the fact
that I save a couple of (very curvy) feet of exhaust. Hey! Less
backpressure right? More HP right? Who needs a flowmaster!

My truck had 20K miles on it when I bought it, so I never
experienced the power when new. But this truck has always
been strong and very impressive (power wise) from the get go.

Just some thoughts on a slow day, thanks for listening.


Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:44:54 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Another Look at Airbox Setup on PSD

After seeing under the hood what my airbox setup was really like - was I wrong here. Nothing like I had
imagined from the cursory look I gave it earlier. Sorry for the disinformation.

To begin with, the snorkel from my airbox is quite large and does not narrow toward the front. Another
thing that surprised me about it is that it does not route to the small oblong slot behind the honeycomb grill
as I thought it did. In fact, on my truck this slot is connected to nothing. Where the airbox snorkel does go
is to the main grill - but not through the black plastic material which is sandwiched in between the grill and the
radiator. Definetly no ram-air here! So what air is taken in must come from what's available in that confined
space between the black plastic material and the radiator. There appears to be some notches cut in the edges
of the material which probably contribute to the overall air supply. But again, no direct porting for the snorkel
to the outside air.


Charles Abraham wrote:

> Speaking for my PSD, what you have described below is my setup up to "behind the honeycomb", where
> there I differ by having the oblong slot (hole), about 1-1/4" x 2-1/4", that is easily visible looking from the
> front through the left honeycomb grill.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:07:46 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.

I also have a 97 with the shorty exhaust it did cause buildup on the back
wheel. I have replaced it with a flowmaster and dual outlet pipes. Not allot
more horsepower but sounds great.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:13:35 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 f-150 4.6

has anyone had any problems with their 99 f-150 4.6l sc?
i just bought one last weekend and it runs great. i feels like i have the
suspension of a 3/4 ton truck. it rides nice and stiff. it seems much more
rigid and strong than the 98 f-150 v-6 i traded in.
the engine is great, i just touch the old accelerator and we're gone. no
questions!!!
i just wanted to know if anyone has had any problems yet?

thanks for the info

Bill
p.s. the truck's name is Triton!!!
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:04:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.

The 260HP 5.4L has bigger valves and a revised intake. As for the Exhaust
the biggest problem is with getting the wheel dirty. Here people drive lots
of gravel roads and the exhaust puts moisture on the wheel making just that
wheel get dirty. The Center caps commonly turn green from the heat (ones
that get cleaned regularly dont' seem to do it). Also the 6 cyl seems to put
a lot of oil and grime on the wheel. So if your not having a problem with
any of these, I'd leave the exhaust where it is.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: D'Amelio, Stephen M.
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:29 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.


> With the recent talk about HP and torque specs on the Tritons,
> it appears there is a common thread. These engines apparently
> need to "loosen up" a bit before coming into there own. This
> could be due to bearing or piston clearances, but it does appear
> they gain some power, and the more pistons, the more apparent
> it seems.
>
> Soooo, do you think our engines are eventually out-performing the
> specs? If the engine specs where compiled from new, tight engines,
> perhaps....
>
> Also, where DID Ford get those extra ponies in the 99 V8s ? I have
> a 97 and I can't believe they re-camed or did any extensive internal
> changes.
>
> And while I'm on the subject of HP. I have the "shorty" side exhaust
> (the subject of a TSB) but don't see any need to replace it. I assume
> it was changed due to moisture on the rear drums/brakes etc. I have
> not seen evidence of this on my truck. What I DO like is the fact
> that I save a couple of (very curvy) feet of exhaust. Hey! Less
> backpressure right? More HP right? Who needs a flowmaster!
>
> My truck had 20K miles on it when I bought it, so I never
> experienced the power when new. But this truck has always
> been strong and very impressive (power wise) from the get go.
>
> Just some thoughts on a slow day, thanks for listening.
>
>
> Steve D'Amelio
> Systems Administrator
> CVS/Pharmacy
> 1 CVS Drive
> Woonsocket, RI 02895
> 401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 f-150 4.6

Did you get the 4X4 ?

- --- Ccdolf aol.com wrote:
> has anyone had any problems with their 99 f-150 4.6l sc?
> i just bought one last weekend and it runs great. i feels like i have the
> suspension of a 3/4 ton truck. it rides nice and stiff. it seems much more
> rigid and strong than the 98 f-150 v-6 i traded in.
> the engine is great, i just touch the old accelerator and we're gone. no
> questions!!!
> i just wanted to know if anyone has had any problems yet?
>
> thanks for the info
>
> Bill
> p.s. the truck's name is Triton!!!
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>

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:32:02 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.

Thanks for the info Nathan. I don't mean to
doubt you, but what are your sources?
I ask because I am surprised that Ford actually
changed the valves/head to get more HP. It's
quite an expensive change and in the past
they always got more power from intake
changes. (example, the Mustang with the 302)

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> From: Union Auto[SMTP:unionaut adiis.net]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:04 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking.
>
> The 260HP 5.4L has bigger valves and a revised intake. As for the Exhaust
> the biggest problem is with getting the wheel dirty. Here people drive
> lots
> of gravel roads and the exhaust puts moisture on the wheel making just
> that
> wheel get dirty. The Center caps commonly turn green from the heat (ones
> that get cleaned regularly dont' seem to do it). Also the 6 cyl seems to
> put
> a lot of oil and grime on the wheel. So if your not having a problem with
> any of these, I'd leave the exhaust where it is.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, inc.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:32:11 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F350 PSD Experience after 3,000 mile trip

> Just curious, does Ford use a Borg Warner TC in the F350? I always had good
> luck with them. I really wanted
> a (used) PSD when I was looking for a truck to tow my 25ft boat. (about 7K
> lbs) But here in the NE the used
> market for PSDs is scarce. I heard great things about that engine with
> regard to plowing also.
> I ended up with a 5.4L F150 SC and I slipped the boat. I only have to tow
> twice a year now.

The SD trucks use a New Venture Gear (NVG) transfer case. The LD trucks
still use Borg-Warner cases.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:30:30 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking. -Reply

Some interesting stuff in the performance products catalog, Spring /summer 99, Catalog 16F page 78 on Trition
Engines.

Paxton Superchargers has rear wheel HP and torque for a 98 5.4 and a 99 V-10 with and without a supercharger.
Peak stock rear wheel HP for the 5.4 is 180 or so at 3800, torque is 260 ft/lbs at 3000. Both the HP and Torque
curves are vary flat. The V-10 gets 210 hp peak and 290 ft/lbs peak in stock form. Once again a real flat power
curve. Perhaps this is a case of a new motor but I would like to just once see better rear wheel numbers for the
V-10.

Also if you believe the graph in the magazine the supercharger only outperforms the stock unit above 2900 rpm in the
5.4 and 2300 rpm in the V-10. You get about 40 to 50 hp from 3100 to 4100 rpm in the 5.4 and about 50 hp in the
V-10 by 4200rpm.. Not a great deal for 4k. You only get a big performance increase at 4100 rpm and above. In the
usable power band you get less performance where you need it in a truck (1000 to 2000 rpm) and you spend $80
per hp in the 2000 to 4000 rpm range. How many of us need a big performance gain at 4100+ rpm. Hmmm, me thinks
supercharging might be best for a race car not a truck.

my .02 to stir the pot.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:28:22 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking. -Reply

George, You just need a different kind of supercharger! The Paxton is a
centrifugal type, great at mid-to-high RPMs, but low boost at low RPMs. To
get more "grunt", you need a Whipple (twin screw) or "Roots" style (very
tall, some may require a different hood).

Keith


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From: GEORGE CROLL
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 5:59 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - HP specs & wishful thinking. -Reply


>Some interesting stuff in the performance products catalog, Spring /summer
99, Catalog 16F page 78 on Trition
>Engines.
>
>Paxton Superchargers has rear wheel HP and torque for a 98 5.4 and a 99
V-10 with and without a supercharger.
>Peak stock rear wheel HP for the 5.4 is 180 or so at 3800, torque is 260
ft/lbs at 3000. Both the HP and Torque
>curves are vary flat. The V-10 gets 210 hp peak and 290 ft/lbs peak in
stock form. Once again a real flat power
>curve. Perhaps this is a case of a new motor but I would like to just once
see better rear wheel numbers for the
>V-10.
>
>Also if you believe the graph in the magazine the supercharger only
outperforms the stock unit above 2900 rpm in the
>5.4 and 2300 rpm in the V-10. You get about 40 to 50 hp from 3100 to 4100
rpm in the 5.4 and about 50 hp in the
>V-10 by 4200rpm.. Not a great deal for 4k. You only get a big performance
increase at 4100 rpm and above. In the
>usable power band you get less performance where you need it in a truck....


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