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97up-list-digest Friday, July 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 182



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: Seat lift kit
FTE 97up - Re: PSD Problems
FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap
FTE 97up - Re: PSD Problems
Re: FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap
Re: FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap
FTE 97up - engine light
FTE 97up - SD Brakes!
Re: FTE 97up - engine light
Re: FTE 97up - SD Brakes!
FTE 97up - help with understanding diesel

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:38:41 EDT
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Seat lift kit


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es.com/seatlift.html


FWIW, I have one in my 93 F250SC, and love it. Will surely get another one
when I replace truck.

Scott
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:00:20 EDT
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Problems

In a message dated 7/8/99 5:18:41 AM, Keith writes:

>That's odd. The 4.6L has never been targeted as a problem for piston slap
>because it's not "stroked" like the 5.4L.

Thought it wad weird myself, but its my service managers truck, and
he noticed it first. Going to dealer today.


>Also, what year and options are
>vehicles "A" & "B"?

Both 99 F350's. Base trucks, DRW 168"(? Specs office) wheelbase,
PSD, 6 speed, trailer tow, A/C. I buy chassis cabs, and have a local co fab a
bed for them. I designed a low, cab shaped buck board, with expanded metal
for the wall to decrease wind resistance. Nothing fancy, but other than PSD,
same trucks we have spec'd out for 40 years. Until 93 we used the good ole
300 I6, and manuals, but went to 351's when they put FI on the 6, and cut the
power / mileage. Never a lick of problems out of our gas engines, heck one of
my 2 remaining 95's has 139,000 miles, and no problems, not even a water
pump! OOPS, I lied 100k miles we replaced the accessory drive belt idler
pulley on the side of the road....


Did you consider the F-450? Sounds like you really
>use your trucks.

Looked / spec'd 450, too much truck for our use. While we tow
frequently, the loads on the bed are usually no more than 1,000 lbs, so it
didn't make sense. And as far as towing, these units are capable of towing
11,000 lbs in this configuration, so 4k (and I am being generous, our average
compressor weighs under 3k) lbs shouldn't be any problem.

Finally, the V-10 I have in my '99 F-350 pulls like a horse
>and runs like a champ. The automatic has been great, especially when
>snowplowing (up here in New England we get very wet-heavy snow, no light
>powder for us, just heavy snow and ice). I have pushed walls of snow 6
>feet high 8 feet long and 8 feet wide up and onto a 12-foot snowpacked hill
>without even hearing one "grunt" from the truck.

Ahh, another reason I live in Florida...

I had ordered an F250SC, V-10, 5 spd to try (my truck) but Fomoco
canceled it on me last month. Nice guys! Oh well, maybe they'll build me a 00.

Latest update from dealer, they have, after 2 weeks in shop, found
"sand and water" in the tank. Looks like they want to duck out of warranty
since they cant find problem in 5 tries....

Scott
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:35:05 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap

Gotta second the call for an explanation of the piston slap. I assume the 6.8 would be subject to this too as it is just a
5.4 with two extra cylinders. same "stroked" crankshaft I would assume??
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:41:07 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Problems

Scott,

What leaps out at me from your post is your DEALER.

The service department sounds incompetent to me. Now, that assumes your
drivers are not "hot rodding" your trucks, and I'm sure they are not. It
also assumes your drivers are not using first gear for every start they make.
I just can't imagine going through clutch discs, master cylinders, and slave
cylinders like that without improper use or a mechanic that knows not what he
is doing.

Furthermore, the fuel system problems sound like another technician -mechanic
who would fail basic troubleshooting class at the community college. I don't
pretend to know what is causing the problem, but I don't have the advantage
of Ford training and certification. It sounds as though the techs at your
dealer don't have the advantage either.

Good luck, Butch


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:47:02 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap

Correct, but as I said in a previous post, the "piston-slap" problem is
apparently very rare in absolute terms (1:2,000 to 1:20,000), depending on
information source.

- -----Original Message-----
From: GEORGE CROLL
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:41 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap


>Gotta second the call for an explanation of the piston slap. I assume the
6.8 would be subject to this too as it is just a
>5.4 with two extra cylinders. same "stroked" crankshaft I would assume??
>George Croll
>EPA-OAR-ARD
>(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:14:02 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap

It is very rare, I've had several people contact me from this mailing list,
but haven't had any of the trucks I sold show any symptems.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Veren
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap


> Correct, but as I said in a previous post, the "piston-slap" problem is
> apparently very rare in absolute terms (1:2,000 to 1:20,000), depending on
> information source.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GEORGE CROLL
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:41 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Dreaded Piston Slap
>
>
> >Gotta second the call for an explanation of the piston slap. I assume
the
> 6.8 would be subject to this too as it is just a
> >5.4 with two extra cylinders. same "stroked" crankshaft I would assume??
> >George Croll
> >EPA-OAR-ARD
> >(202)564-0162
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>
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:44:00 -0500
From: bruce yeagle
Subject: FTE 97up - engine light

I was told if the check engine light comes on it is nothing to worry
about , is this the case ? I have a f-250 ,1997.

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:57:53 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: FTE 97up - SD Brakes!

SD F250 4X4 CC V10 SB,
Iam very happy with this truck!
But Iam very disappointed with the front brakes!
It has 11,000 miles on it now and the front brakes are chattering!!
Has anyone else had this happen to there SD yet?
I know all about the F150 brake trouble, I have had a few!
I cant believe I got the same trouble with the SD brakes?
What gets to me is I stop very easy!! To try and save my brakes,
and I end up with this?
So has anyone had any luck at the dealer for new rotors and pads,
or do they just cut them down and hope that works for awhile?
Gene

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:34:27 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine light

The Check Engine (or Service Engine Soon) light is refered to as a MIL
(Malfuction Indicator Light). 99% of the time there is nothing serious
wrong. Emmisions problems turn this on. Leaving your gas lid loose can
cause it, other common causes are extreme cold temperatures, changes in
temperature (having winter blend gas in warm weather or vice versa). So no
you shouldn't get worried by this. It isn't anything that will ruin your
truck. You'll also notice that it is a much bigger problem on 1997 or newer
vehicles (brand doesn't matter they all do it). This had something to do
with government regulations for 1997. Also dealers can't remove the bulb or
disable the light or the fines are simmiar to removing a Catalyst. (however
you can still do it yourself).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: bruce yeagle
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 3:44 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - engine light


> I was told if the check engine light comes on it is nothing to worry
> about , is this the case ? I have a f-250 ,1997.
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:13:42 -0400
From: CnC
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD Brakes!

I'm with you about chattering vibrating noises from the brakes. I've got a
97 F-150 with 16,000 miles and need to know what I should be doing!
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From: Gene Ball
To: 97up-listford-truckscom
Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:06 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - SD Brakes!


|SD F250 4X4 CC V10 SB,
|Iam very happy with this truck!
|But Iam very disappointed with the front brakes!
|It has 11,000 miles on it now and the front brakes are chattering!!
|Has anyone else had this happen to there SD yet?
|I know all about the F150 brake trouble, I have had a few!
|I cant believe I got the same trouble with the SD brakes?
|What gets to me is I stop very easy!! To try and save my brakes,
|and I end up with this?
|So has anyone had any luck at the dealer for new rotors and pads,
|or do they just cut them down and hope that works for awhile?
|Gene
|
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:24:49 -0500
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: FTE 97up - help with understanding diesel

hey all,

i've had this possible false idea that with a diesel, you can leave the
engine idling for longer periods of time without engine consequences or
problems with body mounts/ etc.. getting affected from engine heat...
compared to a gas engine?

getting ready to decide between a windstar or econoline w/ PS. any info, or
additional comments welcomed.

TIA,
parker
whoz....


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