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In this issue:

FTE 97up - PSD problems
Re: FTE 97up - after market brake rotors?
Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
Re: FTE 97up - dealer said no!
FTE 97up - Do you have problems with your 99SD Manual "boot"?
FTE 97up - Cab Steps
FTE 97up - F150 rear seat mod
FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions
FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - PSD problems
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions
Re: FTE 97up - PSD problems
FTE 97up - Exhaust Brakes

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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:34:52 EDT
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD problems

OK, so we made the plunge, bought 2) F350PSD's this past year. Well, not real
happy at his stage. Sacrilegious? Maybe so, but. FYI, I run a small
construction machinery co, and we use F350's w/flatbeds for delivery trucks.
We tow a lot, usually around 4k lbs.,and found the life of the auto's to be
way too short for our needs, and went back to sticks in 94. Here's the scoop:

Truck A: four clutches, I clutch master cylinder, 2 slave cylinders,
1 turbo, air box (?) lines, all in 30k miles.. Yes, clutch problems went away
after 4th trip 15k miles, but.. No, same driver, and he's pissed at me
cause I have 120k miles on my original clutch, and he "only" got 95k out of
his on last truck he had...

Truck B: in shop for 5th time in 19k miles. Starts blowing fuse on
fuel pump, then dies. Dealer replaced 4 pumps, 1 tank, and has now has
changed the injectors to the new, modified (?) ones. Course, nobody had them,
so truck has been down for 5 days. As soon as he installed them, started
truck and fuse blew again. Tried to blame us, claimed water in fuel, but
couldn't find any in tank or filter, so they gave up on that one. (Yes, we
drain filter and tank weekly, and use Racor elements exclusively in system.)

As the time comes to replace another flatbed, I must say that I'm
face a dilemma. As I look at our last 2) 95's with the 351, while the mileage
bites, they are the proverbial Eveready bunnies, goin and goin. What I hear
bout the Tritons isn't real comforting, so that really narrows the options.
(our 4.6 F150 has the dreaded piston slap)

So, to make a long story short, for commercial use, how are yours
holding out??

Scott

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 06:48:54 -0600
From: "Daniel M. Richmeier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - after market brake rotors?

I have a '99 F-250, S.D., S.C., 4 X 4, 5.4L. I very satisfied with the truck.
After twenty thousand miles, the power has increased approx. 20% and the mileage
has increased from 12.8 mpg when new to just over 16 mpg for combination city and
highway driving.

Problems: As with every other Ford truck that I have owned, the front brake
rotors cannot hold there shape, which results in moderate (so far) shaking of the
front end when braking.
Does anyone know of a good after-market brake rotor out there.

Also, does anyone know of good after-market wheel well trim, my local Ford dealer
quoted me $475. for a set of four. They are a newly offered Ford accessory for
this vehicle. While I feel that the trim is necessary to protect the inside
edge of the fenders from rock chips and eventual rusting, I will not pay Ford
over $500. dollars (with tax) for four small strips of thin gauge sheet metal,
even if it is a Ford factory accessory.

Also, when I first start the engine cold or warm, it sounds like it is running
without oil in it for about a minute or so. Could I have a problem with the oil
pump? The dash gauge always shows full pressure. Is this noise typical of a
Triton 5.4L engine?

Comments and suggestions will be appreciated!

Dan

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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:46:20 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still

I haven't had any automatic transmission problems except 1 torque converter.
As for the squeak its where the driver's side front leaf spring attaches
(rear attacment). If you lubricate it it will go away for a while and then
come back. All Ford will say is that they are working on a fix.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Veres
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 3:58 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still


> I have a 99 SD SC PSD, 3.73LS, Auto trans. with less than 4000 miles on
> it.
>
> Back prior to Memorial day, I posted a message advising that I had taken
> the truck to the dealer because the tranny was not shifting properly.
> When they dealer test drove it, the trans. broke down on them and they
> had to tow my truck back to the dealership.
>
> A little less than two weeks later, I got it back. They had put a new
> torque converter and a pump assembly in it. I started driving it, and
> it still shifted improperly - in the upper gears, it kind of delayed,
> taking about 2 - 3 seconds to complete the shift.
>
> I took it back Monday. I was told today that the solenoid body needed
> to be replaced, and that it was ok to drive until the part arrived (I
> asked if I could tow, and the tranny guy said, "I don't know." He said
> that he read about this problem, and the fix, in a TSB - Does anyone
> know about this one?
>
> Also, in the last two weeks, the truck developed a terrible squeak in
> the front end - just pushing down on the bumper made it squeak loudly.
> They lubed it, saying it was a temporary fix, indicating that Ford was
> aware of this problem and would be coming out with a fix towards the end
> of July.
>
> Nathan or anyone else - anyone know about this persistant tranny problem
> - are the other transmission parts incurring damage by driving the
> vehicle that's shifting improperly? Should I try to get them to replace
> the whole trans (I hinted at that and was advised that it wouldn't be
> necessary). Does this tranny have a history, good or bad?
>
> Also, has anyone heard of this front end squeak problem - is there any
> info out on it? I'm aware of the front axle seal lubrication problem
> (Special Service Message 12555). This doesn't sound like the same thing
> - it's ver loud, on both sides.
>
> Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> Thanx in advance Gary
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:22:17 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - dealer said no!

Ford does have a SSM saying that the seals are not supposed to be on trucks
with running boards and warranty won't pay to add them. However, F-150
Lariat Off Roads don't get the off road decal either. I have had customers
call Ford and complain and get the decals free of charge. I'd try this
route, or go to another dealer and see if they'll cover it.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Janster
To: 97 up list
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 8:22 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - dealer said no!


> Hi folks,
>
> I know we discussed this before but I couldn't find any answers in the
> archives. This email is about two thing: door seals and foglights for a
> Superduty. First off, I took my 99 F250SD, Lariat, 4x4, SC, in to the
> dealer to have the lower door seals installed. I asked the parts guy and
> he said there wouldn't be any charge. After waiting a week for the parts
> to come in, I scheduled the appt. The service rep showed me a printout
> that said Ford wouldn't pay for the seals if I had the steps w/ the
> Lariat model installed. I then asked about the price to see about doing
> it myself. They were $67.50 each, too expensive. I remember some guys w/
> a Lariat model from the list saying their dealer went ahead and paid for
> the install, despite the customer not needing them. Any experiences?
>
> Second question: does anybody know what type of foglights Ford installs
> for the Superduty's?
>
> Janster


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:28:15 -0500
From: Dmoore dmoore.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Do you have problems with your 99SD Manual "boot"?

I have a 1999SD with a manual transmission and while changing the oil I
noticed that the "boot" around the shifter going to the cab has torn (only
on the bottom of the two). My question - has anyone else notice this ripped
boot?

Thanks,

david

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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:42:18 -0500
From: "Owens, Robbie A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cab Steps

I have called around to a few of the Ford dealerships here in OKC and no one
in any of their parts departments know what I'm talking about when I call to
get a price on the Cab Steps shown on Ford.com. They all think I'm talking
about running boards. Well, they are two different things.
My question is, does anyone on the list have the factory Ford Cab Steps on
their single cab? And if so what was the price on them and part #?

Thanks in advance!
Rob Owens
Boeing Aerospace Operations
Buyer
Navy E-6 Program
405-739-1953
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:03:38 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 rear seat mod

A couple of months ago I remember seeing reference to a company that made a
kit that would raise the rear seat 4" on the Super Cab, allowing for a
better seating position. If anyone has this, can they send the link?

Thanks,
Ken


Kenneth J. Nagy knagy IXTelecom.com
IDT Corporation www.idt.net
225 Old New Brunswick Road, Suite 300
Piscataway, NJ 08854

Voice/Fax: 732.465.7845


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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:32:12 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions

All,

I plan on ordering a 2000 F-250 SuperDuty and I have a few
questions. It will be an XL Supercab with V10 and 5 speed
4x4. I plan on using it for occasional Off Road trecks but
mostly city/highway. I would like to have the 4.10 rear end
but all that is available is either the 3.73 ot 4.30. My
question is what is the gas mileage difference between the
two?

Kindest regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:39:37 EDT
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions

In a message dated 7/7/99 10:34:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jmc.chartier sympatico.ca writes:


questions. It will be an XL Supercab with V10 and 5 speed
4x4. I plan on using it for occasional Off Road trecks but
mostly city/highway. >>

Congrats JMC. I was wondering what you were going to get, glad to see it's
another Ford truck.

Atilla
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:35:47 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions -Reply

The ratio difference is about 15%. I would expect a similar gas mileage difference at the same speed unloaded.
Under load the difference will probably be less.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:31:24 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD problems

That's odd. The 4.6L has never been targeted as a problem for piston slap
because it's not "stroked" like the 5.4L. Also, what year and options are
vehicles "A" & "B"? Did you consider the F-450? Sounds like you really use
your trucks. Finally, the V-10 I have in my '99 F-350 pulls like a horse
and runs like a champ. The automatic has been great, especially when
snowplowing (up here in New England we get very wet-heavy snow, no light
powder for us, just heavy snow and ice). I have pushed walls of snow 6 feet
high 8 feet long and 8 feet wide up and onto a 12-foot snowpacked hill
without even hearing one "grunt" from the truck. I could never do this with
my old '83 350 3/4-ton 4X4 Chevy w/4-speed manual, once you let off the gas
to shift, you would stop and that would be that, back-out and try to push
the next load a little faster.

Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: MadPoodle aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:39 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD problems


>OK, so we made the plunge, bought 2) F350PSD's this past year. Well, not
real
>happy at his stage. Sacrilegious? Maybe so, but. FYI, I run a small
>construction machinery co, and we use F350's w/flatbeds for delivery
trucks.
>We tow a lot, usually around 4k lbs.,and found the life of the auto's to be
>way too short for our needs, and went back to sticks in 94. Here's the
scoop:
>
> Truck A: four clutches, I clutch master cylinder, 2 slave cylinders,
>1 turbo, air box (?) lines, all in 30k miles.. Yes, clutch problems went
away
>after 4th trip 15k miles, but.. No, same driver, and he's pissed at me
>cause I have 120k miles on my original clutch, and he "only" got 95k out of
>his on last truck he had...
>
> Truck B: in shop for 5th time in 19k miles. Starts blowing fuse on
>fuel pump, then dies. Dealer replaced 4 pumps, 1 tank, and has now has
>changed the injectors to the new, modified (?) ones. Course, nobody had
them,
>so truck has been down for 5 days. As soon as he installed them, started
>truck and fuse blew again. Tried to blame us, claimed water in fuel, but
>couldn't find any in tank or filter, so they gave up on that one. (Yes, we
>drain filter and tank weekly, and use Racor elements exclusively in
system.)
>
> As the time comes to replace another flatbed, I must say that I'm
>face a dilemma. As I look at our last 2) 95's with the 351, while the
mileage
>bites, they are the proverbial Eveready bunnies, goin and goin. What I hear
>bout the Tritons isn't real comforting, so that really narrows the options.
>(our 4.6 F150 has the dreaded piston slap)
>
> So, to make a long story short, for commercial use, how are yours
>holding out??
>
>Scott
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:44:51 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions

The best advise I heard on this combo is:
3.73LS if more than 80-90% of the time load is under 500 lbs. and/or if this
is your daily driver
4.30LS if lots of heavy loads or boat/horse/car/etc. towing and/or this is
an "extra" vehicle (not a commuter / daily driver)


Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: Jean Marc Chartier
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 10:38 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions


>All,
>
> I plan on ordering a 2000 F-250 SuperDuty and I have a few
>questions. It will be an XL Supercab with V10 and 5 speed
>4x4. I plan on using it for occasional Off Road trecks but
>mostly city/highway. I would like to have the 4.10 rear end
>but all that is available is either the 3.73 ot 4.30. My
>question is what is the gas mileage difference between the
>two?
>
>Kindest regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:14:42 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-250 questions

ATUMLAW aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/7/99 10:34:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jmc.chartier sympatico.ca writes:
>
>
> questions. It will be an XL Supercab with V10 and 5 speed
> 4x4. I plan on using it for occasional Off Road trecks but
> mostly city/highway. >>
>
> Congrats JMC. I was wondering what you were going to get, glad to see it's
> another Ford truck.
>
> Atilla
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Atilla,

Shush, my wife doesn't know yet... ;-)

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:05:48 -0400
From: "Freddy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD problems

What do you mean by Dreaded Piston Slap?
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:34 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD problems


> OK, so we made the plunge, bought 2) F350PSD's this past year. Well, not
real
> happy at his stage. Sacrilegious? Maybe so, but. FYI, I run a small
> construction machinery co, and we use F350's w/flatbeds for delivery
trucks.
> We tow a lot, usually around 4k lbs.,and found the life of the auto's to
be
> way too short for our needs, and went back to sticks in 94. Here's the
scoop:
>
> Truck A: four clutches, I clutch master cylinder, 2 slave cylinders,
> 1 turbo, air box (?) lines, all in 30k miles.. Yes, clutch problems went
away
> after 4th trip 15k miles, but.. No, same driver, and he's pissed at me
> cause I have 120k miles on my original clutch, and he "only" got 95k out
of
> his on last truck he had...
>
> Truck B: in shop for 5th time in 19k miles. Starts blowing fuse on
> fuel pump, then dies. Dealer replaced 4 pumps, 1 tank, and has now has
> changed the injectors to the new, modified (?) ones. Course, nobody had
them,
> so truck has been down for 5 days. As soon as he installed them, started
> truck and fuse blew again. Tried to blame us, claimed water in fuel, but
> couldn't find any in tank or filter, so they gave up on that one. (Yes, we
> drain filter and tank weekly, and use Racor elements exclusively in
system.)
>
> As the time comes to replace another flatbed, I must say that I'm
> face a dilemma. As I look at our last 2) 95's with the 351, while the
mileage
> bites, they are the proverbial Eveready bunnies, goin and goin. What I
hear
> bout the Tritons isn't real comforting, so that really narrows the
options.
> (our 4.6 F150 has the dreaded piston slap)
>
> So, to make a long story short, for commercial use, how are yours
> holding out??
>
> Scott
>
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>

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