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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Lariat info
RE: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - 98 f-150 4.2L
FTE 97up - Lightning
Re: FTE 97up - Lightning
Re: FTE 97up - 98 f-150 4.2L
FTE 97up - Lightning -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)
FTE 97up - Why Not Double?
FTE 97up - A FRAM and Motorcraft Oil filter comparison (for PowerStroke)
RE: FTE 97up - Why Not Double?
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Why Not Double?
Re: FTE 97up - Increase Tow Capability in V6/5spd F150?
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 07:58:52 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - Lariat info

In reference to my earlier email about unsuccessfully getting the dealer
to install the lower door seals on my Lariat model, good advice was
posted. Apparently my dealer doesn't want to do much free work w/o a
service recall. I may or may not look look into getting them installed
later.

As for the type, model, or manufacturer of the fog lights that Ford uses
on the Super duty's, anybody know about them? I got a pictorial from the
parts guy but they don't mention anything specific. The install price
was around $250.00 w/o labor. I reckon I could install them myself,
saving a little moolah.

Fog light challenged

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:34:16 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still

This is the first thing I thought of too. My wife has a 91
Rodeo and it was terrible with the nerf/step bars on it. When
we removed them a whole lot of noise went away.

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> From: Freddy[SMTP:ffavela netzero.net]
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> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
>
> I have a 98 dodge ram that when new it came with the side bars and at
> first
> when ever I got on the truck or it moved from side to side it would also
> squeak and took it in and found out it was the bars where they had been
> connected to the frame of the truck they put in some washers to use as
> spacers and fixed the problem.
>
> Hope it helps/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Abraham
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
>
>
> > Joseph, try a search on http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/
> > going to forums/Power Strokes 1999-up, they get an
> > awful lot of hits and may have an archive on your problem.
> >
> > On the squeak, welcome to the club. I'm a new member as well, for
> > after returning from my first road trip there it was. Its so annoying
> and
> > embarrassing, stepping on the cab step of this $37 truck and squeak,
> > squeak, squeak. It sound like a squeeze-toy for Godzilla!
> >
> > I've also developed on the front, diver's side, a knock when I step on
> > or off the cab step. If I rock the front left corner of the bumper up
> and
> > down you can really hear it. Sounds metal to metal, somewhere under
> > the driver's side wheel well - but I haven't been able to isolate its
> location.
> > I've been told but haven't confirmed there is a TSB on the knock.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> >
> > Joseph Veres wrote:
> >
> > > I have a 99 SD SC PSD, 3.73LS, Auto trans. with less than 4000 miles
> on
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Back prior to Memorial day, I posted a message advising that I had
> taken
> > > the truck to the dealer because the tranny was not shifting properly.
> > > When they dealer test drove it, the trans. broke down on them and they
> > > had to tow my truck back to the dealership.
> > >
> > > A little less than two weeks later, I got it back. They had put a new
> > > torque converter and a pump assembly in it. I started driving it, and
> > > it still shifted improperly - in the upper gears, it kind of delayed,
> > > taking about 2 - 3 seconds to complete the shift.
> > >
> > > I took it back Monday. I was told today that the solenoid body needed
> > > to be replaced, and that it was ok to drive until the part arrived (I
> > > asked if I could tow, and the tranny guy said, "I don't know." He
> said
> > > that he read about this problem, and the fix, in a TSB - Does anyone
> > > know about this one?
> > >
> > > Also, in the last two weeks, the truck developed a terrible squeak in
> > > the front end - just pushing down on the bumper made it squeak loudly.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nathan or anyone else - anyone know about this persistant tranny
> problem
> > > - are the other transmission parts incurring damage by driving the
> > > vehicle that's shifting improperly? Should I try to get them to
> replace
> > > the whole trans (I hinted at that and was advised that it wouldn't be
> > > necessary). Does this tranny have a history, good or bad?
> > >
> > > Also, has anyone heard of this front end squeak problem - is there any
> > > info out on it? I'm aware of the front axle seal lubrication problem
> > > (Special Service Message 12555). This doesn't sound like the same
> thing
> > > - it's ver loud, on both sides.
> > >
> > > Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> > > Thanx in advance Gary
> > >
> > >
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:41:13 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply

And any pickup's bed with a spray-in liner "used heavily", should look like the
surface of the moon. Spray-in/on liners offer little protection to the bed
against
denting. Whereas, a quality drop-in will act as a buffer - taking the punch, so
to
speak. Even if the bed substains a dent the drop-in liner bounces back to mask
the damage.

Remenber too, the drop-in after five years, can easily - and cheaply, be
replaced
with another for still under what the original cost of the spray-in would have
been.

Gone are the days when a simple sheet of plywood was enough!

Charles.



Jett Rink wrote:

> In five years your pickup ought to be ready for the scrap heap if you're
> using it heavily along with your drop in liner. A GOOD liner such as Rhino
> lining has a lifetime warranty and is resistant to most chemicals including
> battery acid.
>
> Remember, if it's free it can't be all bad.
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:54:20 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still

The squeak problem on Ford Super Dutys is related to the front leaf springs.
It's at where the leaf end attaches to the frame. Here, the leaf is coiled
around
to form an eye, which a rubber (?) bushing and mounting bolt pass through. It
appears that any movement at this juncture causes the bushing to squeak.

I question the temporary fix by Ford of shooting WD-40 on the bushing:
will a petroleum based product break down the bushing material?
.

Freddy wrote:

> I have a 98 dodge ram that when new it came with the side bars and at first
> when ever I got on the truck or it moved from side to side it would also
> squeak and took it in and found out it was the bars where they had been
> connected to the frame of the truck they put in some washers to use as
> spacers and fixed the problem.
>
> Hope it helps/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Abraham
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
>
> > Joseph, try a search on http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/
> > going to forums/Power Strokes 1999-up, they get an
> > awful lot of hits and may have an archive on your problem.
> >
> > On the squeak, welcome to the club. I'm a new member as well, for
> > after returning from my first road trip there it was. Its so annoying and
> > embarrassing, stepping on the cab step of this $37 truck and squeak,
> > squeak, squeak. It sound like a squeeze-toy for Godzilla!
> >
> > I've also developed on the front, diver's side, a knock when I step on
> > or off the cab step. If I rock the front left corner of the bumper up and
> > down you can really hear it. Sounds metal to metal, somewhere under
> > the driver's side wheel well - but I haven't been able to isolate its
> location.
> > I've been told but haven't confirmed there is a TSB on the knock.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> >
> > Joseph Veres wrote:
> >
> > > I have a 99 SD SC PSD, 3.73LS, Auto trans. with less than 4000 miles on
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Back prior to Memorial day, I posted a message advising that I had taken
> > > the truck to the dealer because the tranny was not shifting properly.
> > > When they dealer test drove it, the trans. broke down on them and they
> > > had to tow my truck back to the dealership.
> > >
> > > A little less than two weeks later, I got it back. They had put a new
> > > torque converter and a pump assembly in it. I started driving it, and
> > > it still shifted improperly - in the upper gears, it kind of delayed,
> > > taking about 2 - 3 seconds to complete the shift.
> > >
> > > I took it back Monday. I was told today that the solenoid body needed
> > > to be replaced, and that it was ok to drive until the part arrived (I
> > > asked if I could tow, and the tranny guy said, "I don't know." He said
> > > that he read about this problem, and the fix, in a TSB - Does anyone
> > > know about this one?
> > >
> > > Also, in the last two weeks, the truck developed a terrible squeak in
> > > the front end - just pushing down on the bumper made it squeak loudly.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nathan or anyone else - anyone know about this persistant tranny problem
> > > - are the other transmission parts incurring damage by driving the
> > > vehicle that's shifting improperly? Should I try to get them to replace
> > > the whole trans (I hinted at that and was advised that it wouldn't be
> > > necessary). Does this tranny have a history, good or bad?
> > >
> > > Also, has anyone heard of this front end squeak problem - is there any
> > > info out on it? I'm aware of the front axle seal lubrication problem
> > > (Special Service Message 12555). This doesn't sound like the same thing
> > > - it's ver loud, on both sides.
> > >
> > > Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> > > Thanx in advance Gary
> > >
> > >
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:12:31 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply

Gee Jett

So what is your point here. It seems you are saying my truck would be like new in five years if I only had gone with
the spray in liner. This really makes sense to me, put in a spray in liner and the whole truck gets a lifetime warranty
from Rhino and lasts forever even if I spill acid on it.. Put in a drop in liner and my truck falls apart. Well, now I know,
perhaps I will go and throw away my drop in liner before my engine falls out. Or worse I might spill some acid on my
drop in liner and it might explode. Oh, the horror of it all.

George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162

>>> Jett Rink 07/01/99 12:36am >>>
In five years your pickup ought to be ready for the scrap heap if you're
using it heavily along with your drop in liner. A GOOD liner such as Rhino
lining has a lifetime warranty and is resistant to most chemicals including
battery acid.

Remember, if it's free it can't be all bad.


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:05:24 -0500
From: sseeplane juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply

I had a drop-in installed when my '88 XLT SC was a month out of the
dealer's lot. After ten years of hauling building supplies, farm
implements and tractor parts, and a few loads of sand and gravel I had it
taken out to repaint the truck. The bed didn't need any painting as it
looked like it did the day I installed the liner. I have nothing against
spray-ins (except the cost), but I was satisfied with the drop-in (a
Pendaliner from K-Mart).

My 2.

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:04:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 98 f-150 4.2L

I've also seen an increase in both power and MPG, but I think part (most?)
of it is due to modifications I've made. The muffler made the most
improvement. Try one, you'll like it. I'm now at 31,000 miles and my
little white F-150 is probably faster (empty) than either a 460 or V10
F-250. :)

xDanny
'98 F-150 Std., RC, SB, 4x2, 4.2L, 5-sp, 3.08, AC, speed control, rear
slider, mods: Syntec engine oil, MTL trans fluid, Edelbrock shocks, 50
Series Flowmaster, K&N with airbox mod, electric radiator fan


> i have a 98 f-150 4.2L v-6 it's got 20,660 mi on it. it definitely has
> more power than when i first bought it. but it seems to get more and more
> power as the miles go up. i have written this before and was wondering if
> anyone else has had this happen to them? or whether it has gone down for
> anyone.
>
> any replys would be appreciated
>
> Bill

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:21:57 -0500
From: "Owens, Robbie A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lightning

Anyone know of any web sites that have big pictures of the new Lightning?
Just curious. I'd like to make some wallpaper out of that bad boy.
Rob Owens
Boeing Aerospace Operations
Buyer
Navy E-6 Program
405-739-1953
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:12:10 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lightning

try truck trend online, they have some good pics of the lightning
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:17:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 98 f-150 4.2L

Hey Dan, stirring the pot?

- --- Dan Gaudenti wrote:
> I've also seen an increase in both power and MPG,
> but I think part (most?)
> of it is due to modifications I've made. The
> muffler made the most
> improvement. Try one, you'll like it. I'm now at
> 31,000 miles and my
> little white F-150 is probably faster (empty) than
> either a 460 or V10
> F-250. :)
>
> xDanny
> '98 F-150 Std., RC, SB, 4x2, 4.2L, 5-sp, 3.08, AC,
> speed control, rear
> slider, mods: Syntec engine oil, MTL trans fluid,
> Edelbrock shocks, 50
> Series Flowmaster, K&N with airbox mod, electric
> radiator fan
>

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:10:26 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Lightning -Reply

Try www.edmunds.com I think they have some pics of the lightning.
George Croll
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:23:47 -0600
From: "William Nelson"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply

I agree with the drop-in folks. Spray-on can't protect against dents! As much wood as I've hauled, my bed would have DEFINITELY been dented by now - if not for my DROP-IN Duraliner!
- --

On Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:12:31 GEORGE CROLL wrote:
>Gee Jett
>
>So what is your point here. It seems you are saying my truck would be like new in five years if I only had gone with
>the spray in liner. This really makes sense to me, put in a spray in liner and the whole truck gets a lifetime warranty
>from Rhino and lasts forever even if I spill acid on it.. Put in a drop in liner and my truck falls apart. Well, now I know,
>perhaps I will go and throw away my drop in liner before my engine falls out. Or worse I might spill some acid on my
>drop in liner and it might explode. Oh, the horror of it all.
>
>George Croll
>EPA-OAR-ARD
>(202)564-0162
>
>>>> Jett Rink 07/01/99 12:36am >>>
>In five years your pickup ought to be ready for the scrap heap if you're
>using it heavily along with your drop in liner. A GOOD liner such as Rhino
>lining has a lifetime warranty and is resistant to most chemicals including
>battery acid.
>
>Remember, if it's free it can't be all bad.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:23:47 -0600
From: "William Nelson"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply

I agree with the drop-in folks. Spray-on can't protect against dents! As much wood as I've hauled, my bed would have DEFINITELY been dented by now - if not for my DROP-IN Duraliner!
- --

On Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:12:31 GEORGE CROLL wrote:
>Gee Jett
>
>So what is your point here. It seems you are saying my truck would be like new in five years if I only had gone with
>the spray in liner. This really makes sense to me, put in a spray in liner and the whole truck gets a lifetime warranty
>from Rhino and lasts forever even if I spill acid on it.. Put in a drop in liner and my truck falls apart. Well, now I know,
>perhaps I will go and throw away my drop in liner before my engine falls out. Or worse I might spill some acid on my
>drop in liner and it might explode. Oh, the horror of it all.
>
>George Croll
>EPA-OAR-ARD
>(202)564-0162
>
>>>> Jett Rink 07/01/99 12:36am >>>
>In five years your pickup ought to be ready for the scrap heap if you're
>using it heavily along with your drop in liner. A GOOD liner such as Rhino
>lining has a lifetime warranty and is resistant to most chemicals including
>battery acid.
>
>Remember, if it's free it can't be all bad.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:57:28 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)

That's it. I've made a decision also.

1st: Spray-on Rhino liner.

2nd: Drop-in liner to protect my spray-on liner.

3rd: Cheap rubber mat to protect my drop-in which is protecting my spray-on.

4th: Never put anything into the bed of my truck! (Or remove my bed to alleviate the temptation.)

5th: If #4 doesn't work, stop driving my truck FOREVER.

Heck, I'm calling the dealer right after I press the "Send" button and canceling my Y2K F-250 SD/SC!

No more mental anguish. Whew! :-)

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply

Plus if you have an accident, it will be a pain in the rear trying to take it off, so
you can fix it.

- --- William Nelson wrote:
> I agree with the drop-in folks. Spray-on can't protect against dents! As much wood
> as I've hauled, my bed would have DEFINITELY been dented by now - if not for my
> DROP-IN Duraliner!

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)

lol....
you right about not driving at all.... you will have too much weight, which mean more
gas. I'm pretty sure that the spray-on weight more than the drop-in...


> That's it. I've made a decision also.
>
> 1st: Spray-on Rhino liner.
>
> 2nd: Drop-in liner to protect my spray-on liner.
>
> 3rd: Cheap rubber mat to protect my drop-in which is protecting my spray-on.
>
> 4th: Never put anything into the bed of my truck! (Or remove my bed to alleviate the
> temptation.)
>
> 5th: If #4 doesn't work, stop driving my truck FOREVER.
>
> Heck, I'm calling the dealer right after I press the "Send" button and canceling my
> Y2K F-250 SD/SC!
>
> No more mental anguish. Whew! :-)
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:25:10 -0500
From: "Ben Goodwyn"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)

Why not just remove the bed when you buy the truck? Keep it in the garage.
That way it will always stay nice and clean. Guaranteed no dents.

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Hunter
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 3:08 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)


lol....
you right about not driving at all.... you will have too much weight, which
mean more
gas. I'm pretty sure that the spray-on weight more than the drop-in...


> That's it. I've made a decision also.
>
> 1st: Spray-on Rhino liner.
>
> 2nd: Drop-in liner to protect my spray-on liner.
>
> 3rd: Cheap rubber mat to protect my drop-in which is protecting my
spray-on.
>
> 4th: Never put anything into the bed of my truck! (Or remove my bed to
alleviate the
> temptation.)
>
> 5th: If #4 doesn't work, stop driving my truck FOREVER.
>
> Heck, I'm calling the dealer right after I press the "Send" button and
canceling my
> Y2K F-250 SD/SC!
>
> No more mental anguish. Whew! :-)
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:38:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)

[burp]

[Way off topic here]

That reminds me. I can't figure out how people can convert an old truck
bed into a trailer. Its not the most classy thing in the world, but it
gets the job done.

OBTrucks: Can the truck's computer sense the octane level put in? I am
wondering if it can adjust timing (and possibly performance) depending on
the grade of gasoline put in.

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:26:31 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Why Not Double?

Seriously folks, it may sound funny and/or extravagant but the best of both
worlds is both worlds!! Go ahead and put a drop-in liner on top of your
spray-in liner and you have total protection against the potential problems
of just a drop-in liner (rust, scratches noise and rattles), and you have
protection against the problems associated with using only a spray-on liner
(dents, eventual flaking, difficult to slide heavy objects to tailgate to
get off truck). There. That's it. Done. The perfect combo. Protection
squared.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Santo
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)


>That's it. I've made a decision also.
>
>1st: Spray-on Rhino liner.
>
>2nd: Drop-in liner to protect my spray-on liner.
>
>3rd: Cheap rubber mat to protect my drop-in which is protecting my
spray-on.
>
>4th: Never put anything into the bed of my truck! (Or remove my bed to
alleviate the temptation.)
>
>5th: If #4 doesn't work, stop driving my truck FOREVER.
>
>Heck, I'm calling the dealer right after I press the "Send" button and
canceling my Y2K F-250 SD/SC!
>
>No more mental anguish. Whew! :-)
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:24:58 -0500
From: Dmoore dmoore.com
Subject: FTE 97up - A FRAM and Motorcraft Oil filter comparison (for PowerStroke)

I noticed that FRAM has a filter now for the 7.3l (or maybe they've always
had one) PowerStroke engine and I wanted to compare this against the
"Standard" Motorcraft so I bought both and then proceeded to dissect them
both.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dmoore.com/f250-filter.htm

Please allow 2 minutes for all the high-res pictures to download.

Hope some of you find this of interest.

David

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:25:51 -0500
From: Dmoore dmoore.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Why Not Double?

It's a truck. It gets scratched. Why even a bed liner?

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Veren
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 7:27 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Why Not Double?



Seriously folks, it may sound funny and/or extravagant but the best of both
worlds is both worlds!! Go ahead and put a drop-in liner on top of your
spray-in liner and you have total protection against the potential problems
of just a drop-in liner (rust, scratches noise and rattles), and you have
protection against the problems associated with using only a spray-on liner
(dents, eventual flaking, difficult to slide heavy objects to tailgate to
get off truck). There. That's it. Done. The perfect combo. Protection
squared.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Santo
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners (humor)


>That's it. I've made a decision also.
>
>1st: Spray-on Rhino liner.
>
>2nd: Drop-in liner to protect my spray-on liner.
>
>3rd: Cheap rubber mat to protect my drop-in which is protecting my
spray-on.
>
>4th: Never put anything into the bed of my truck! (Or remove my bed to
alleviate the temptation.)
>
>5th: If #4 doesn't work, stop driving my truck FOREVER.
>
>Heck, I'm calling the dealer right after I press the "Send" button and
canceling my Y2K F-250 SD/SC!
>
>No more mental anguish. Whew! :-)
>
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:30:13 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply

Spray in liners absorb shock due to their rubberized surface. Rhino liners
are guaranteed for life, i.e. if it wears out it will be replaced at no
charge by any Rhino dealer world wide. Try amortizing that out after you
have replaced a few drop in liners over ten years or so. If a drop in liner
is fairly rigid, how will it "take the punch" without transferring shock to
the bed? Look in a physics textbook for the answer. Rhino lining also adds
approximately 35 pounds of weight to the rear of a long bed pickup.




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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:35:49 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply

I think I said the BEDLINER would have a lifetime warranty, not your pickup.
The point I was making was if you are going to spend $20,000 or so on a new
pickup, why spend $100 on a cheap bedliner to protect it with? Why not buy
the best you can afford instead of the cheapest you can find?



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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:38:19 -0700
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Why Not Double?

>It's a truck. It gets scratched. Why even a bed liner?

That's my attitude, truck beds get scratched and dinged. I've got a couple
of small dents and scratches and lots of spots that are colored from
sliding boxes in. It's a truck. If/when I care about how the inside of
the bed looks, I'll get a cover.

Danny
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:48:46 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Increase Tow Capability in V6/5spd F150?

I used to have a '92 F150 with a 300 c.i.d. six, 5 speed, and a 3.55:1 rear
end. My wife had a '96 at the same time equipped the same but with a 3.08:1
rear end. My rig had a lot more low end power and torque at the rear end
than hers and only got 1 mpg difference. My current rig has the V6 and
3.55:1 rear end and gets around 21 mpg. I recently drove another late model
pickup with the 4.6L V8 and a 3.08:1 rear end, had a lot less power at the
rear wheels than mine.

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:57:01 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply -Reply

Who told you that? Rhino can be repaired alog with your vehicle in an
accident (assuming there's somthing left to repair).



>Plus if you have an accident, it will be a pain in the rear trying to take
>it off, so
>you can fix it.



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