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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - F550 Configurations on 2000/2001 models
FTE 97up - dealer said no!
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10 lets get some real dyno measurements
Re: FTE 97up - dealer said no!
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply
FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
FTE 97up - tool boxes
FTE 97up - Increase Tow Capability in V6/5spd F150?
Re: FTE 97up - dealer said no!
Re: FTE 97up - Increase Tow Capability in V6/5spd F150?
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
RE: FTE 97up - tool boxes
Re: FTE 97up - tool boxes
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply
FTE 97up - 98 f-150 4.2L

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:32:38 -0600
From: "William Nelson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners

I have a '98 with a nice drop in liner that's been installed since I bought the truck new over a year ago. Last week, I removed it to see if everything was OK . . . and it was. No rust, my bed was like new. I've hauled firewood, lawnmowers, furniture, you name it. I've never had a problem. The liner looks good too. The one that I have is a Duraliner. It has the big Ford emblem right behind the cab and it has a non-slip surface. I bought it from the dealer for $156.00 a year ago. I installed it myself in 15 minutes.
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On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:19:54 Todd & Rachael Petty wrote:
>I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck, and want to
>protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before, so can someone help?
>Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
>expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:32:38 -0600
From: "William Nelson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners

I have a '98 with a nice drop in liner that's been installed since I bought the truck new over a year ago. Last week, I removed it to see if everything was OK . . . and it was. No rust, my bed was like new. I've hauled firewood, lawnmowers, furniture, you name it. I've never had a problem. The liner looks good too. The one that I have is a Duraliner. It has the big Ford emblem right behind the cab and it has a non-slip surface. I bought it from the dealer for $156.00 a year ago. I installed it myself in 15 minutes.
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On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:19:54 Todd & Rachael Petty wrote:
>I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck, and want to
>protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before, so can someone help?
>Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
>expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:17:07 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F550 Configurations on 2000/2001 models

The only thing I've heard of is on the Ford dealer's website, they are doing
a survey to see if dealers would order a F-550 or F-450 with a box.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Adcock
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 7:40 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - F550 Configurations on 2000/2001 models


> I'm planning to buy a 550 (to pull a fifth wheel) in the next year or two,
> and I'm trying to find out if Ford is going to offer any new
> configurations. Specifically, I'd like to be able to buy a 550 with a
Super
> Cab and a regular bed (or maybe a 14" high bed). It would also be nice to
> have a factory exhaust brake on the 7.3L diesel, and maybe even a factory
> air suspension system. Can anyone tell me where I could find out what's
> coming out? (I know I can get it all aftermarket except for the Super Cab
> part, but would prefer to buy it from Ford properly configured.)
> Thanx/Jerry
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:22:00 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - dealer said no!

Hi folks,

I know we discussed this before but I couldn't find any answers in the
archives. This email is about two thing: door seals and foglights for a
Superduty. First off, I took my 99 F250SD, Lariat, 4x4, SC, in to the
dealer to have the lower door seals installed. I asked the parts guy and
he said there wouldn't be any charge. After waiting a week for the parts
to come in, I scheduled the appt. The service rep showed me a printout
that said Ford wouldn't pay for the seals if I had the steps w/ the
Lariat model installed. I then asked about the price to see about doing
it myself. They were $67.50 each, too expensive. I remember some guys w/
a Lariat model from the list saying their dealer went ahead and paid for
the install, despite the customer not needing them. Any experiences?

Second question: does anybody know what type of foglights Ford installs
for the Superduty's?

Janster

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:26:49 -0500
From: "Don Marsee"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners

Todd & Rachael Petty,
I would echo Bert's comments. Except that I do use the bed for more than
golf clubs; I've hauled firewood, lumber, rock, etc. Also, if possible, see
(and touch) for yourself. Find someone who has a Rhino or LINE-X and see
first-hand. That's what made the decision for me. Good luck!

Don in Nashville

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Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:47 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd & Rachael Petty
>
> I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck,
> and want to protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before,
> so can someone help?
> Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
> expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.

Your welcome. But, expect lots of different responses. Nice truck by
the way. I have the '98 Lariat with same, same, etc. 16k. I love it.
Flawless so far, knock on wood!

I bought the LINE-X product http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.linexnw.com from a local dealer.
It's a high pressure spray-on lining. Comes in colors. Works good for
me, but I'm more of the country-club kind of truck owner. I don't
really abuse the lining at all. I can say that so far my golf clubs
haven't scratched it a bit:)

The application of a spray-in lining makes or breaks the installation.
Be sure to check the little things, ie. my installer removed those
large bed bolts so they wouldn't be cemented by the lining. Same with
the screws that hold the panels on the inside of the tail gate. Don't
let them overspray the channels for the tailgate locking mechanism. And
be sure that the drain holes at the front of the bed are unblocked in order
to let water drain out.

Can't remember exactly, but I must of paid about $400 a year ago.
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:23:41 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10 lets get some real dyno measurements

A couple of things to consider about dyno tests. Every dyno will give
different results. The only way to compare two vehicle is to put them on
the same Dyno. In the Feb issue of Truck Trends they put a 5.4L Ford a 5.3L
Chevy and a 5.9L Dodge on the same chassis dyno and found out the results
did agree with the manufactruers ratings. So to compare engines you need to
use the same dyno. As for comparing for performace Racing gives results
that can off set dyno results, due to power band differences and other
variables a engine that makes fewer Horsepower could still beat another.
I've raced a V-10 vs others and from my experinces the V-10 can hold its
own. However I will agree that fresh from the factory they are a bit
lacking in power. I've got several V-10's on the lot right now and to drive
one that only has a few miles is unimpressive, but to get into one that has
even a few hundred miles (I've got one that got dealer traded to me with 300
miles) and it feels like a whole different engine.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, inc.

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From:
To:
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 6:02 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10 lets get some real dyno measurements


>
> I didn't get the information that I needed, only a lot of seat of the
> pants information:
>
> What I shall do is get the truck dyno-ed at the next opportunity.
> Thus (since mine is a 460 w 11k miles) if someone with a V10 decides
> to get his/her truck dyno-ed, we'll be able to post some hard numbers
> and try to see what the real truth is.
>
> All I really wanted was to find out the redline, and peak torque and
> peak hp of the 460.
>
> - Stephen Witte
>


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:46:43 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - dealer said no!

No..no..nooooo. You do not necessarily want to deal with service department
(unless you have a really good relationship with them, in that case, you are
golden) for the lower door seals for the front and rear doors on a SuperDuty
SuperCab w/running boards. The factory, in all of it's wisdom, did not
think consumers needed the extra protection from rain, dirt, snow and noise
because the running boards are below the door to "protect it". Bull-Feces!!
Having snowplowed without the seals I can tell you they are necessary! They
quiet things down, keep flying dirt and mud out and should be installed on
every truck. Now, what to do: Call you friendly Ford Parts Dept. and tell
them you just purchased your truck and the seals are not present and you
want them ASAP. Then tell them you will pop them in yourself..this is
key...they may tell you all warrantee items must be dealer installed, if
they do then tell the parts guy to order the darn things and you will
schedule an appointment. When they come in, go into parts dept. and
depending on who is working, you may be able to just say you are here to
pick-up the warrantee parts and you will probably get them. If that does
not work, tell them that you are going to have another Dealer install them
and you want to take them with you. You get the picture. I never defend
deception, unless a little bit is required to correct deception done unto
you.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Janster
To: 97 up list
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 9:26 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - dealer said no!


>Hi folks,
>
>I know we discussed this before but I couldn't find any answers in the
>archives. This email is about two thing: door seals and foglights for a
>Superduty. First off, I took my 99 F250SD, Lariat, 4x4, SC, in to the
>dealer to have the lower door seals installed. I asked the parts guy and
>he said there wouldn't be any charge. After waiting a week for the parts
>to come in, I scheduled the appt. The service rep showed me a printout
>that said Ford wouldn't pay for the seals if I had the steps w/ the
>Lariat model installed. I then asked about the price to see about doing
>it myself. They were $67.50 each, too expensive. I remember some guys w/
>a Lariat model from the list saying their dealer went ahead and paid for
>the install, despite the customer not needing them. Any experiences?
>
>Second question: does anybody know what type of foglights Ford installs
>for the Superduty's?
>
>Janster
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:11:35 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners

$156 is WAY too much for a drop in liner, even if it has the Ford oval. They
saw you coming. You could have bought a Duraliner (supplier to Ford) for
less than $100. Still a waste of money, if you plan on keeping the vehicle
awhile go with a spray in.

Remember, if it's free it can't be all bad.


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:26:00 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply

After waaay too many posts on this subject I can no longer hold my silence.

I bought a very high quality pendaliner with a great non slip surface for my new SD, which I plan on keeping for a
long time, the SD that is (10+ years). After 4 months no rust or worn paint spots on the bed from the liner, I checked
last night. Also no noise or other problems. My strategy is to use the drop in bedliner until it is "junk". Probably 5
years or more. At this time I will throw away the drop in liner and have a spray in liner applied to the bed. My
feelings on this are that this way for the first 5 years or so the bed will be protected by a throwaway liner. In five
years if there is rust I will sand it off and spray a watertight liner over the bad areas and have a "good as new" bed.
If I did the spray in liner now in 5 years the liner would be chipping and peeling and will be a pain to replace or repair
and might even separate from the bed and rust underneath. This way in 10 years the bed is still good. I just do not
believe that a spray in liner would last 10 years with frequent use.

my .02
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:58:53 -0800 (AKDT)
From: akmomndad webtv.net (Joseph Veres)
Subject: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still

I have a 99 SD SC PSD, 3.73LS, Auto trans. with less than 4000 miles on
it.

Back prior to Memorial day, I posted a message advising that I had taken
the truck to the dealer because the tranny was not shifting properly.
When they dealer test drove it, the trans. broke down on them and they
had to tow my truck back to the dealership.

A little less than two weeks later, I got it back. They had put a new
torque converter and a pump assembly in it. I started driving it, and
it still shifted improperly - in the upper gears, it kind of delayed,
taking about 2 - 3 seconds to complete the shift.

I took it back Monday. I was told today that the solenoid body needed
to be replaced, and that it was ok to drive until the part arrived (I
asked if I could tow, and the tranny guy said, "I don't know." He said
that he read about this problem, and the fix, in a TSB - Does anyone
know about this one?

Also, in the last two weeks, the truck developed a terrible squeak in
the front end - just pushing down on the bumper made it squeak loudly.
They lubed it, saying it was a temporary fix, indicating that Ford was
aware of this problem and would be coming out with a fix towards the end
of July.

Nathan or anyone else - anyone know about this persistant tranny problem
- - are the other transmission parts incurring damage by driving the
vehicle that's shifting improperly? Should I try to get them to replace
the whole trans (I hinted at that and was advised that it wouldn't be
necessary). Does this tranny have a history, good or bad?

Also, has anyone heard of this front end squeak problem - is there any
info out on it? I'm aware of the front axle seal lubrication problem
(Special Service Message 12555). This doesn't sound like the same thing
- - it's ver loud, on both sides.

Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Thanx in advance Gary


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:36:01 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still

Joseph, try a search on http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/
going to forums/Power Strokes 1999-up, they get an
awful lot of hits and may have an archive on your problem.

On the squeak, welcome to the club. I'm a new member as well, for
after returning from my first road trip there it was. Its so annoying and
embarrassing, stepping on the cab step of this $37 truck and squeak,
squeak, squeak. It sound like a squeeze-toy for Godzilla!

I've also developed on the front, diver's side, a knock when I step on
or off the cab step. If I rock the front left corner of the bumper up and
down you can really hear it. Sounds metal to metal, somewhere under
the driver's side wheel well - but I haven't been able to isolate its location.
I've been told but haven't confirmed there is a TSB on the knock.

Good Luck,

Charles.


Joseph Veres wrote:

> I have a 99 SD SC PSD, 3.73LS, Auto trans. with less than 4000 miles on
> it.
>
> Back prior to Memorial day, I posted a message advising that I had taken
> the truck to the dealer because the tranny was not shifting properly.
> When they dealer test drove it, the trans. broke down on them and they
> had to tow my truck back to the dealership.
>
> A little less than two weeks later, I got it back. They had put a new
> torque converter and a pump assembly in it. I started driving it, and
> it still shifted improperly - in the upper gears, it kind of delayed,
> taking about 2 - 3 seconds to complete the shift.
>
> I took it back Monday. I was told today that the solenoid body needed
> to be replaced, and that it was ok to drive until the part arrived (I
> asked if I could tow, and the tranny guy said, "I don't know." He said
> that he read about this problem, and the fix, in a TSB - Does anyone
> know about this one?
>
> Also, in the last two weeks, the truck developed a terrible squeak in
> the front end - just pushing down on the bumper made it squeak loudly.
>
>
> Nathan or anyone else - anyone know about this persistant tranny problem
> - are the other transmission parts incurring damage by driving the
> vehicle that's shifting improperly? Should I try to get them to replace
> the whole trans (I hinted at that and was advised that it wouldn't be
> necessary). Does this tranny have a history, good or bad?
>
> Also, has anyone heard of this front end squeak problem - is there any
> info out on it? I'm aware of the front axle seal lubrication problem
> (Special Service Message 12555). This doesn't sound like the same thing
> - it's ver loud, on both sides.
>
> Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> Thanx in advance Gary
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:54:18 -0400
From: CnC
Subject: FTE 97up - tool boxes

I have previously used a plastic (not metal) black tool box that I could put
in and take out of my Ranger pickup with no sweat. Now I have traded that
in for a Ford 150 full size. I need a tool box. Just to bring home
groceries and the like. I wanted to find a plastic box that sits on the
floor (such as Contico #3760) and not hanging on the sides. I have not been
able to find any such animal around 50 miles of where I live. Everyone I
talk with is featuring and pushing metal (aluminum) boxes. Do any of you
have feelings about this, or why I should have to spend $200 for a jim-dandy
metal box instead of $80 for a simple plastic box in the back of my truck?



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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:59:35 EDT
From: Rustinn aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Increase Tow Capability in V6/5spd F150?

I have a 1997 F150 with the 4.2L V6 / 5 speed and 308 rear end. The truck
feels very weak towing a 2500 pound boat/trailer - I guess this is no
surprise. Is there anyone out there who has improved this configuration's tow
capability (short of buying a V8/auto)? Particularly looking for more power
at the very low end, i.e. up the boat ramps and off the light....

I am considering going to the 355 gearing in the rear. How much can this
improve my towing and what will it do to my 19 MPG avg. I have also looked at
some of the performance chip upgrades. Anyone try either of these? Are these
chips primarily for automatics not manuals?

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:56:36 -0700
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - dealer said no!

Janster...your dealer must have been charging you list price +. I ordered a
set of gaskets for my 99 CC and (I don't remember the exact price) was given
a quote of around 20$ for the rear and 22$ for the front. When I took the
truck in to get the cruise control cable fixed, the parts man asked if the
seals were a warranty item. I told him that I had no clue (I played dumb
here). Some trucks had them and some didn't. He said, I guess if some do
and some don't, then yours will have these on when it leaves here today. To
make the story short, the dealer installed them and didn't charge me
anything. I just love my small town dealer. They have never tried to take
advantage of me or anyone that I have sent to them to buy a vehicle.
(Everytime I send someone in and they buy a vehicle, I get a nice gift
certificate in the mail.)

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:52:56 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Increase Tow Capability in V6/5spd F150?

> I have a 1997 F150 with the 4.2L V6 / 5 speed and 308 rear end. The truck
> feels very weak towing a 2500 pound boat/trailer - I guess this is no
> surprise. Is there anyone out there who has improved this configuration's tow
> capability (short of buying a V8/auto)? Particularly looking for more power
> at the very low end, i.e. up the boat ramps and off the light....
>
> I am considering going to the 355 gearing in the rear. How much can this
> improve my towing and what will it do to my 19 MPG avg. I have also looked at
> some of the performance chip upgrades. Anyone try either of these? Are these
> chips primarily for automatics not manuals?

NO, you do not need to get a V8, especially given the weight of the trailer
you are towing. Your problem definately os the tall 3.08:1 gears in your
truck. These gears are fine for unloaded highway cruising on flat land, but
try to move a load, or tow a trailer, in hilly country and you're going to
get slow acceleration. And you aren't going to win any stoplight drag races
with these gears either.

What size tires do you have? If you have a 2WD with the little stock 235
tires, the 3.55 gears might be OK. I'd guess that your mileage will stay the
same or go up a little since your engine won't be working as hard to
accelerate the vehicle.

But if you are thinking about/already have larger tires, and are looking for
better performance (especially while towing), I'd be looking at 3.73:1 or
4.10:1 gears, with the 3.73 gears being the best blend of economy and
performance and the 4.10 gears best for performance and pulling power.

No matter what gears you decide to get, it would be a good idea to have a
good locking or limited slip differential (like an Auburn or a True-trac or
the like) installed at the same time, especially if you have only a 2WD.
These are a BIG help for pulling a boat out of a lake on a slippery ramp.

Good luck
Rob
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:01:52 -0400
From: "Freddy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners

I have 3 trucks with drop in liners one is two years old the other is 8
years old and the bed of the truck that is 8 years old (nissan) is not
rusted. True its scratched but it has yet to rust. I am fixing to sell the
truck and the bed liner is still in good shape! I work in construction and
carry everthing on the liner.
I think as long as you get a good drop in liner its ok!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jett Rink
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners


> Drop in liners constantly vibrate and gall the finish and metal on the
bed.
> They are prone to cracking and transfer the shock of dropped objects to
the
> bed, where a spray in rubberized liner will absorb much of this. Corrosion
> occurs much faster than 15 years, try 2 or 3. You get what you pay for. I
> chose Rhino lining for my rig. There are do it yourself spray in type
liners
> available now that are quite good (comparable to Rhino) and easy to apply.
> One that I'm aware of is Herculiner. It's rolled on and available at Kmart
> and various automotive stores. Oh, and it's less than a drop in liner,
about
> $22 and some sweat.
>
>
> > I feel that the drop in liner is the best and it is also less
> >expensive.
>
> >
> > > I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck, and
> >want
> >to
> > > protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before, so can someone
help?
> > > Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
> > > expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:15:37 -0400
From: "Freddy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still

I have a 98 dodge ram that when new it came with the side bars and at first
when ever I got on the truck or it moved from side to side it would also
squeak and took it in and found out it was the bars where they had been
connected to the frame of the truck they put in some washers to use as
spacers and fixed the problem.

Hope it helps/
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From: Charles Abraham
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still


> Joseph, try a search on http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/
> going to forums/Power Strokes 1999-up, they get an
> awful lot of hits and may have an archive on your problem.
>
> On the squeak, welcome to the club. I'm a new member as well, for
> after returning from my first road trip there it was. Its so annoying and
> embarrassing, stepping on the cab step of this $37 truck and squeak,
> squeak, squeak. It sound like a squeeze-toy for Godzilla!
>
> I've also developed on the front, diver's side, a knock when I step on
> or off the cab step. If I rock the front left corner of the bumper up and
> down you can really hear it. Sounds metal to metal, somewhere under
> the driver's side wheel well - but I haven't been able to isolate its
location.
> I've been told but haven't confirmed there is a TSB on the knock.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Charles.
>
>
> Joseph Veres wrote:
>
> > I have a 99 SD SC PSD, 3.73LS, Auto trans. with less than 4000 miles on
> > it.
> >
> > Back prior to Memorial day, I posted a message advising that I had taken
> > the truck to the dealer because the tranny was not shifting properly.
> > When they dealer test drove it, the trans. broke down on them and they
> > had to tow my truck back to the dealership.
> >
> > A little less than two weeks later, I got it back. They had put a new
> > torque converter and a pump assembly in it. I started driving it, and
> > it still shifted improperly - in the upper gears, it kind of delayed,
> > taking about 2 - 3 seconds to complete the shift.
> >
> > I took it back Monday. I was told today that the solenoid body needed
> > to be replaced, and that it was ok to drive until the part arrived (I
> > asked if I could tow, and the tranny guy said, "I don't know." He said
> > that he read about this problem, and the fix, in a TSB - Does anyone
> > know about this one?
> >
> > Also, in the last two weeks, the truck developed a terrible squeak in
> > the front end - just pushing down on the bumper made it squeak loudly.
> >
> >
> > Nathan or anyone else - anyone know about this persistant tranny problem
> > - are the other transmission parts incurring damage by driving the
> > vehicle that's shifting improperly? Should I try to get them to replace
> > the whole trans (I hinted at that and was advised that it wouldn't be
> > necessary). Does this tranny have a history, good or bad?
> >
> > Also, has anyone heard of this front end squeak problem - is there any
> > info out on it? I'm aware of the front axle seal lubrication problem
> > (Special Service Message 12555). This doesn't sound like the same thing
> > - it's ver loud, on both sides.
> >
> > Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> > Thanx in advance Gary
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:15:04 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - tool boxes

Check Wal-Mart... they usually have a plastic below rail box.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:54 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - tool boxes


I have previously used a plastic (not metal) black tool box that I could put
in and take out of my Ranger pickup with no sweat. Now I have traded that
in for a Ford 150 full size. I need a tool box. Just to bring home
groceries and the like. I wanted to find a plastic box that sits on the
floor (such as Contico #3760) and not hanging on the sides. I have not been
able to find any such animal around 50 miles of where I live. Everyone I
talk with is featuring and pushing metal (aluminum) boxes. Do any of you
have feelings about this, or why I should have to spend $200 for a jim-dandy
metal box instead of $80 for a simple plastic box in the back of my truck?



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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:29:46 -2900 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - tool boxes

I use a Pro-Tuff box that I use two ties to keep held to the front, and two
steel cable locks to keep it from walking off. This is all plastic, has two
holes for padlocks, and has a wafer tumbler lock on it. May be what you are
wanting.

>
> I have previously used a plastic (not metal) black tool box that I could put
> in and take out of my Ranger pickup with no sweat. Now I have traded that
> in for a Ford 150 full size. I need a tool box. Just to bring home
> groceries and the like. I wanted to find a plastic box that sits on the
> floor (such as Contico #3760) and not hanging on the sides. I have not been
> able to find any such animal around 50 miles of where I live. Everyone I
> talk with is featuring and pushing metal (aluminum) boxes. Do any of you
> have feelings about this, or why I should have to spend $200 for a jim-dandy
> metal box instead of $80 for a simple plastic box in the back of my truck?
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:36:16 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners -Reply

In five years your pickup ought to be ready for the scrap heap if you're
using it heavily along with your drop in liner. A GOOD liner such as Rhino....


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