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97up-list-digest Wednesday, June 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 174

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Ford "Loyal Customer" Rebate
FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97uup - V10 air inake
Re: FTE 97up - Ford "Loyal Customer" Rebate
FTE 97up - F550 Configurations on 2000/2001 models
Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS
RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply
FTE 97up - FYI, Brake line rubbing on axle
FTE 97up - Stabilizer bar ??
FTE 97up - Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - Stabilizer bar ??
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:23:56 EDT
From: RSnovi

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford "Loyal Customer" Rebate

In a message dated 6/28/99 6:56:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Spectrum-EHS

worldnet.att.net writes:

i WISH! i have had 6 FoMoCo. products already 2 cars, 3 trucks, and bronco
duece.(im only 23) i will probably have many more.

RS

Nathan,

I keep hearing about some program called the "loyal customer rebate" which
provides an additional $500 off any new vehicle if you already own an Expy,
F-Truck, Explorer. Any truth to this?? Does it apply to both buying and
leasing? Thanks!

Keith
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:25:05 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97uup - V10 air inake

Lee,

I took a look last night at the intake on my truck and it comes out of the
filter housing to the front of the truck and is open at the end of the
intake tube, then there is a plate that is about 1" in front of the
opening and blocks access to the grill/front of the truck. Are you saying
that this should be open so that air can flow freely from the grill to the
intake?

Mike Strukel

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lee Haefele [mailto:haefele

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Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 4:49 AM
To: 97up-list

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Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply

The one question I have about all the different tests is how many miles
did these trucks have on them? My SD 350 V-10/4.30/auto cab chassis
work truck was absolutely riduculus for lack of power, when new. Now
with 10k miles, it will definitely whup my 89 with 460/4.10/std, even
though the new truck weighs 1000 lb more. The auto matched to the V-10
is a big help as it spins hard to 65 mph in 2nd gear, the old unit was
all done at about 45 in 3rd.
One note: Make sure your V-10 has a hole cut in the tin in front of
the air intake horn, some trucks were built without this, causing slow
performance.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:15:55 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford "Loyal Customer" Rebate

They have a Program for previous Bronco, Explorer, and Expedition owners to
get a certificate to get an additional $500 rebate on Explorer or
Expedition. It doesn't apply to F-Series (there was a program that did a
few months ago). As for lease, I don't think you'll get a letter in the
mail, but their is a $500 lease renewal on these vehicles.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Veren
To: Ford Truck Mailing List
Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 5:45 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford "Loyal Customer" Rebate

> Nathan,
>
> I keep hearing about some program called the "loyal customer rebate" which
> provides an additional $500 off any new vehicle if you already own an
Expy,
> F-Truck, Explorer. Any truth to this?? Does it apply to both buying and
> leasing? Thanks!
>
> Keith
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:40:01 -0400
From: "Jerry Adcock"
Subject: FTE 97up - F550 Configurations on 2000/2001 models

I'm planning to buy a 550 (to pull a fifth wheel) in the next year or two,
and I'm trying to find out if Ford is going to offer any new
configurations. Specifically, I'd like to be able to buy a 550 with a Super
Cab and a regular bed (or maybe a 14" high bed). It would also be nice to
have a factory exhaust brake on the 7.3L diesel, and maybe even a factory
air suspension system. Can anyone tell me where I could find out what's
coming out? (I know I can get it all aftermarket except for the Super Cab
part, but would prefer to buy it from Ford properly configured.)
Thanx/Jerry

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:50:54 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

The reason you can't get the LS is due to Californias emmision standards. A
manufacturer has to emmisions certify each axle, engine, and transmision
there going to sell. Since California isn't as big of an area as the rest
of the country they don't spend the money to offer some of the options other
areas have.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Santo
To:
Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

> I guess I should have told y'all that I have a Y2K F-250 2WD(!) V-10
ordered and
> that I live in Southern California. For some completely stupid reason out
here
> in CA you CAN NOT GET A 3.73LS WITH A V-10! You can get the REGULAR 3.73,
but
> NOT the LS option. When you try to order the LS, the order comes back with
> 4.30LS. Seems to me that if I want better highway mileage I should be able
to
> spec a truck so I can get it. Or, maybe I'm just nuts to want a 3.73LS. It
might
> be a dog in town vs. the highway, whereas the 4.30, I'm sure, will have a
little
> more get up and go from the traffic lights every 25 feet out here. I am
> exploring my options at this point. I had already asked the "group" if
anyone
> knew WHY the LS on the 3.73 is illegal, but, I received no real definitive
> answer. A friend of mine told me, in HIS opinion, that it might be because
the
> V-10 "barely" passed the smog certs and going to the LS would make it
fail. Any
> thoughts about that???
> Thanx again.
>
> --
> Dave Santo
> dhsanto

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:04:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply

When it was first installed, it sounded BARELY more
throaty than stock. As the time goes by, there is
more and more deep tones coming out. It definately
DOESN'T sound like a 4 cyl which lost its muffler
(Must be what a popcorn machine sounds like!) It is
very mellow though compared to the same muffler on a
V8. This one was welded in to replace the muffler and
resonance chamber. Looks good, sounds good, performs
good - I'm happy with it.

- --- "Strukel, Mike"
wrote:
> I also typically swap in a K&N, but just have not
> gotten to it yet. How
> does the magnaflow sound with the V10? Is it a
> direct bolt in, or is it a
> complete system? After I 1st got my truck, I went
> down to my local
> exhaust shop and talked to them about a custom cat
> back system. They had
> me listen to a V10 with a Dynomax Superturbo and
> also with a glass pack.
> Both sounded lousy in my opinion. It resembled a 4
> cylinder that the
> muffler fell off of. That kind og turned me off
> to the idea of messing
> with the exhaust.
>
>
> Mike Strukel
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:31:13 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - FYI, Brake line rubbing on axle

I was checking the underside of my F-250 SD SC 4x2 over
today and found the brake line at the right rear was held in
place to the axle with a plastic strap. The brake line was
held tight to the axle and was rubbing on the axle, only a
short time and I would have had a hole in the brake line.
You may want to check yours. Bill
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:24:37 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Stabilizer bar ??

Hi all, (Nathan)?

If the window sticker on a SD 4X4 has listed under
" Functional"
"Mono-Beam Leaf Spring Suspension W/ Stabil bar"

Are they (Ford) refering to the stabilizer shock
and mount thats attached to the steering system??
If so, they forgot to put one on mine.
I was looking at the new SD at a lot the other day
and was looking underneath and noticed the stabil. shock
and thought , I should get one for mine.
So for the heck of it I looked at my sticker and it
has it listed as above.
Now I bought my truck last Sept. so.........

Thanks
Vaughn

99 F250 SD SC SB 4X4 5.4
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:19:54 PDT
From: Todd & Rachael Petty
Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliners

I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck, and want to
protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before, so can someone help?
Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:26:20 -0700
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Stabilizer bar ??

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
> Hi all, (Nathan)?
>
> If the window sticker on a SD 4X4 has listed under
> " Functional"
> "Mono-Beam Leaf Spring Suspension W/ Stabil bar"
>
> Are they (Ford) refering to the stabilizer shock
> and mount thats attached to the steering system??
> If so, they forgot to put one on mine.
> I was looking at the new SD at a lot the other day
> and was looking underneath and noticed the stabil. shock
> and thought , I should get one for mine.
> So for the heck of it I looked at my sticker and it
> has it listed as above.
> Now I bought my truck last Sept. so.........
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
>
> 99 F250 SD SC SB 4X4 5.4
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I would assume that the stabilizer bar they refer to is the sway bar.
The shock is sometimes called a steering stabilizer but is also known as
a steering damper, I believe the the steering damper comes with the
off-road package. I made my own dual setup.
Kent
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:32:20 -0400
From: "Keith Cohen"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners

Depending on your needs, you could get by with a rubber mat like I did. I
have the same truck. You can get a mat for it got under $60 at
www.agri-supply.com Additional if you want the tailgate piece.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Todd & Rachael Petty
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:19 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliners

> I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck, and want
to
> protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before, so can someone help?
> Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
> expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:47:17 -0700
From: "Bert Brehm"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd & Rachael Petty
>
> I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck,
> and want to protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before,
> so can someone help?
> Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
> expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.

Your welcome. But, expect lots of different responses. Nice truck by
the way. I have the '98 Lariat with same, same, etc. 16k. I love it.
Flawless so far, knock on wood!

I bought the LINE-X product http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.linexnw.com from a local dealer.
It's a high pressure spray-on lining. Comes in colors. Works good for
me, but I'm more of the country-club kind of truck owner. I don't
really abuse the lining at all. I can say that so far my golf clubs
haven't scratched it a bit:)

The application of a spray-in lining makes or breaks the installation.
Be sure to check the little things, ie. my installer removed those
large bed bolts so they wouldn't be cemented by the lining. Same with
the screws that hold the panels on the inside of the tail gate. Don't
let them overspray the channels for the tailgate locking mechanism. And
be sure that the drain holes at the front of the bed are unblocked in order
to let water drain out.

Can't remember exactly, but I must of paid about $400 a year ago.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:25:42 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners

The day after I purchased my '99 F150 flareside, I dropped a Rugged Liner
hard polycarbonate bedliner in it. In hindsight, I wish I had gone with a
Rhino, Line-X, or some other spray-in liner. Only later did I see a Line-X
application, and I must say it is impressive in appearance. My biggest
problem was that I live approx. 75 miles from the nearest dealer, and
drop-in dealers are in abundance in my area. Perhaps I'll make the switch
later.

Drop-ins in my area run from $119-150, and the Line-X dealer said $360.
Both prices installed/applied. IMHO, drop in liners endure shock loading
better, as they are structurally rigid at the bed level (approx 1" high
vertical ridges). I would presume the (Rhino, Line-X) spray-in would
provide best overall protection for general use against abrasion and gentle
loading. They also have a SERIOUS friction surface... it would be difficult
for any load to slide on it.

Just my $.02 worth,
Mark

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Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:20 PM
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Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliners

I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck, and want to
protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before, so can someone help?
Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:55:22 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners

Last Thursday, in fact, I got a Rhino Liner installed in our '99 F250 super
duty crew cab. I ruled out completely a drop-in liner because of the horror
stories you hear about what you see when you lift one up out of your bed (rust-
lots and lots of it). My local ford dealer gave me a $100 coupon for the Line-X
product, but I have a Rhino Liner dealer in town, too. After careful
consideration, I chose the Rhino liner for two reasons: first, the Rhino liner
is thicker than the Line-X product. It is less prone to crack and is more
durable. Secondly, what cinched the deal in my mind, is that the Rhino liner
comes with a life-time guarantee. Line-X doesn't offer one.
Installation takes about 2 hours from start to finish. My dealer has a
viewing room and I watched the whole thing to see what I was paying for. They
were careful to tape and cover the sides of the bed and the cab to avoid
overspray. The drain holes and bed screws were cleared, too. They took off
the latch access plate on the tail and sprayed that seperately from the rest of
the bed so it is able to be removed. With tax, it cost $401.29 for our short
bed.
Line-X may be better for light use but we use our bed a lot (renovating and
landscaping a house) and the thicker Rhino lining was a better choice for us.
Hope this helps.

Raffy Rigney

Todd & Rachael Petty wrote:

> I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck, and want to
> protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before, so can someone help?
> Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
> expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:03:30 -0400
From: "Freddy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliners

Hi,
I think that it depends on what you want to carry on the truck! true that
the Spray liner would better protect the truck in the long run but if you
are going to haul heavy stuff in the truck then it is difficult to drag
something on a spray liner because it is a rough surface! On a drop in
liner it is easy to pull or drag something heavy because its is smooth
surface. But if you spray the liner on then you probably will never take
it off. So what is the purpose of covering the bed of the truck? Its
probably to keep it from scratching and then rusting. But if you use a
drop-in liner then that would take many years to happen maybe 15 or so but
are you going to keep the truck that long?
I feel that the drop in liner is the best and it is also less expensive.

Hope that helps. good luck

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Todd & Rachael Petty
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:19 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliners

> I just bought a '99 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad package truck, and want
to
> protect the bed. I've never bought a liner before, so can someone help?
> Any suggestions as to type - hard vs. spray on, expected price, life
> expectancy, problems, etc? Thanks.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:47:40 -0500
From: Dmoore

dmoore.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliners

This has been covered several times (in great detail) so if you would like
the "archives" of this list (all 2249 of them) I can send them too you if
you have Outlook on your system.

Thanks,

david

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