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FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS
Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS
Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply
FTE 97up - Re Ford-Diesel.com
FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS
FTE 97up - air filter housing
Re: FTE 97up - air filter housing
RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply
FTE 97up - mattadams: air filter housing
RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - air filter housing
FTE 97up - Ford "Loyal Customer" Rebate
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS
Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS
Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS
Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:19:12 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

Does anyone out there know what might have to be replaced (and the cost) to
switch-out a 4.30LS for a 3.73LS?

I figure the fuel mileage difference is about 15%. Anyone have a better
figure?

TIA

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:54:23 +0200
From: eh60ip mail.apcnet.com (Don Francis)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

TIA,

You might consider an alternative to replacing your rear differential.
If you install a secondary gear splitter from Gear Vendors, you'll pick
up a 22% RPM reduction in each gear, or you can double your shift and
have twice as many gears. The Gear Vendor under/overdrive unit sells
for just over $2300, and might be a much better alternative to just
swapping rear differentials. I'm considering installing one in my new
Y2K F-350 4x4 after I get it and establish what my fuel mileage is going
to be with the 4.10 LS differential that I ordered. Be advised though,
changing your rear differential ratio on a 4x4 requires that you change
the front or re-gear the transfer case. The Gear Vendors addition will
automatically lock out your front differential from 4x4 use (or so I'm
told) while you have it in overdrive, but I look at it like I see no
reason to have the overdrive engaged when I'm in need of overdrive - so
thats a mute point. Anywhoo, Gear Vendors can be reached at
1-800-999-9555, and I'm sure that they have a web site.

BTW, I ordered their $19.95 video....... don't make the same mistake.
It was recorded in 1990, and the video really only applies to Campers.
It didn't tell me anything that I didn't already know about gear
splitting and torque transfer.

Just an alternative.....

Don

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:03:47 +0200
From: eh60ip mail.apcnet.com (Don Francis)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

OOps!

I meant to say that I see no reason to have the truck in 4x4 when I am
using the Gear Vendors unit in overdrive........

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply

The truck with the 460 had about 85,000 and my V10
about 2800. Now it has 5000 and will break the tires
loose from a stand still - wouldn't then.

BTW, no hole in the shield in front of the air intake
snorkle...but it will tonight!

Keith P
99 F250 SD SC XLT V10 AUTO 4.30LS

- --- Lee Haefele wrote:
> The one question I have about all the different
> tests is how many miles
> did these trucks have on them? My SD 350
> V-10/4.30/auto cab chassis
> work truck was absolutely riduculus for lack of
> power, when new. Now
> with 10k miles, it will definitely whup my 89 with
> 460/4.10/std, even
> though the new truck weighs 1000 lb more. The auto
> matched to the V-10
> is a big help as it spins hard to 65 mph in 2nd
> gear, the old unit was
> all done at about 45 in 3rd.
> One note: Make sure your V-10 has a hole cut in
> the tin in front of
> the air intake horn, some trucks were built without
> this, causing slow
> performance.
> Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:34:59 -0700
From: Bill Splaine
Subject: FTE 97up - Re Ford-Diesel.com

Anyone know if this is down..... or have I been kicked off the board???

Started giving me trouble yesterday about 3:30PM PST

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:00:03 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS -Reply

My guess would be about 200 per ring and pinion (must do both front and rear) $100-$200 or more for each
installation at a good shop. Figure $600 to $800 or more for the whole thing. You need a good mechanic to set them
up properly or they will wear out fast. The LS unit should'nt need replacing I think.

BTW if you do this I would be wiling to buy your 4.30 Ring and Pinions if you were willing to sell cheap, I would rather
have the 4.30 myself. Or, depending on where you live we could swap axles direct for nothing. I could do this in a
day easily, it is a direct bolt in procedure. This is not a bad option compared to tearing apart your whole rear and
front. The only problem is that I do not have a LS unit in mine. I live in DC area and coudl live with the decreased
mileage.
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:42:42 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

I recently priced a ring and pinion swap on a Ford 8.8" rear end at $550,
parts and labor. Don't forget you'll have to get your speedometer
recalibrated as well (should only involve replacing a plastic gear in
transmission).


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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:10:29 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - air filter housing

i have a 98 f-150 4.2L V-6 5 spd 3.55 axle. i've seen in a few truck
magazines and have heard of people putting small holes (penny or dime size)
in their filter housing. if i recall this correctly, they were saying it is
supposed to further unrestrict air flow into the engine and give better
performance.

is there anyone who knows anything further about this? any info would be
greatly appreciated.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 99 11:58:42 +0000
From: mattadams pcisys.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - air filter housing

I don't know about putting holes in it, but here is what I experienced. I put
in a K&N Filter when I realized my filter was EXTREMELY dirty, and almost
unusable. Didn't notice much, maybe slightly cooler sounding. Then I decided
to chop my air filter housing in two pieces (you can see pics of what I mean at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pcisys.net/~mattbert/babe/engine.html. Once I made that
modification I noticed the air flowed much better, my accelerating seemed to go
better (and sounded much better), as well as not hesitating so much at high
speeds. I'm going to be putting an Airaid system as well as the JBA headers
(when the deal goes through on those) and I plan on racing the stupid low-rided
trucks... not to offend anyone with a low-rided truck :).

Matt

> i have a 98 f-150 4.2L V-6 5 spd 3.55 axle. i've seen in a few truck
> magazines and have heard of people putting small holes (penny or dime size)
> in their filter housing. if i recall this correctly, they were saying it is
> supposed to further unrestrict air flow into the engine and give better
> performance.
>
> is there anyone who knows anything further about this? any info would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Bill
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:01:27 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply

I'm glad that I am not the only one that feels like the V10 is lacking a
little. I am at 4,000 miles so far and I have not seen any performance
increase yet. I still have my fingers crossed.

I was reading an interesting article in a magazine last night. They did
some performance testing on a 460 Ford to see the effect that a couple of
add on items had on mileage and HP. They tested a replacement K&N filter,
the K&N FIPK, and a head shield tape(can't remember what it was called).
The low down was that there was some performance increase or decrease with
all of the tests. The best combination was the replacement K&N in
combination with wrapping the air intake with this tape.
The tape is supposed to keep the air intake cooler, thus providing better
performance. It was about 1 mpg and 10hp increase with this combo.
Interesting enough, the K&N FIPK provided the best increase in hp (16 I
think?) but the mileage actually dropped! I was planning on a K&N, but may
also research this heat tape a little more. It is made specifically for
this application.

Mike Strukel


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From: Keith Privratsky [mailto:blazer503 yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:12 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply


The truck with the 460 had about 85,000 and my V10
about 2800. Now it has 5000 and will break the tires
loose from a stand still - wouldn't then.

BTW, no hole in the shield in front of the air intake
snorkle...but it will tonight!

Keith P
99 F250 SD SC XLT V10 AUTO 4.30LS

- --- Lee Haefele wrote:
> The one question I have about all the different
> tests is how many miles
> did these trucks have on them? My SD 350
> V-10/4.30/auto cab chassis
> work truck was absolutely riduculus for lack of
> power, when new. Now
> with 10k miles, it will definitely whup my 89 with
> 460/4.10/std, even
> though the new truck weighs 1000 lb more. The auto
> matched to the V-10
> is a big help as it spins hard to 65 mph in 2nd
> gear, the old unit was
> all done at about 45 in 3rd.
> One note: Make sure your V-10 has a hole cut in
> the tin in front of
> the air intake horn, some trucks were built without
> this, causing slow
> performance.
> Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:51:29 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - mattadams: air filter housing

i was wondering if the procedure you did with your K&N air filter would be a
good idea on the v-6? i don't see what it wouls hurt, besides voiding that
part of the warranty. maybe i'll try it and see if it improves any.

the thing is,when i have the a/c on, my truck is VERY sluggish at the get
go. i know the a.c takes aways hp, but it seems like it is really sucking to
much power away.
i'm not one to race my truck, but i like to hear my tires bark a little bit
when i hit the gas to go. i definitely like the 98 f-150 i test drove with
the 5.4. it had 30000mi on it, and it seemed to go better than the 99 5.4.
the 98 easily barked the tires

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply

Already have a K&N in my truck - it's always the first
thing I do. The Magnaflow muffler made the noticable
difference though. The heat tape sounds interesting
too. Keep us informed...

- --- "Strukel, Mike"
wrote:
> I'm glad that I am not the only one that feels like
> the V10 is lacking a
> little. I am at 4,000 miles so far and I have not
> seen any performance
> increase yet. I still have my fingers crossed.
>
> I was reading an interesting article in a magazine
> last night. They did
> some performance testing on a 460 Ford to see the
> effect that a couple of
> add on items had on mileage and HP. They tested a
> replacement K&N filter,
> the K&N FIPK, and a head shield tape(can't remember
> what it was called).
> The low down was that there was some performance
> increase or decrease with
> all of the tests. The best combination was the
> replacement K&N in
> combination with wrapping the air intake with this
> tape.
> The tape is supposed to keep the air intake cooler,
> thus providing better
> performance. It was about 1 mpg and 10hp increase
> with this combo.
> Interesting enough, the K&N FIPK provided the best
> increase in hp (16 I
> think?) but the mileage actually dropped! I was
> planning on a K&N, but may
> also research this heat tape a little more. It is
> made specifically for
> this application.
>
> Mike Strukel

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:27:06 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply

I also typically swap in a K&N, but just have not gotten to it yet. How
does the magnaflow sound with the V10? Is it a direct bolt in, or is it a
complete system? After I 1st got my truck, I went down to my local
exhaust shop and talked to them about a custom cat back system. They had
me listen to a V10 with a Dynomax Superturbo and also with a glass pack.
Both sounded lousy in my opinion. It resembled a 4 cylinder that the
muffler fell off of. That kind og turned me off to the idea of messing
with the exhaust.


Mike Strukel

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Privratsky [mailto:blazer503 yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 2:47 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply


Already have a K&N in my truck - it's always the first
thing I do. The Magnaflow muffler made the noticable
difference though. The heat tape sounds interesting
too. Keep us informed...

- --- "Strukel, Mike"
wrote:
> I'm glad that I am not the only one that feels like
> the V10 is lacking a
> little. I am at 4,000 miles so far and I have not
> seen any performance
> increase yet. I still have my fingers crossed.
>
> I was reading an interesting article in a magazine
> last night. They did
> some performance testing on a 460 Ford to see the
> effect that a couple of
> add on items had on mileage and HP. They tested a
> replacement K&N filter,
> the K&N FIPK, and a head shield tape(can't remember
> what it was called).
> The low down was that there was some performance
> increase or decrease with
> all of the tests. The best combination was the
> replacement K&N in
> combination with wrapping the air intake with this
> tape.
> The tape is supposed to keep the air intake cooler,
> thus providing better
> performance. It was about 1 mpg and 10hp increase
> with this combo.
> Interesting enough, the K&N FIPK provided the best
> increase in hp (16 I
> think?) but the mileage actually dropped! I was
> planning on a K&N, but may
> also research this heat tape a little more. It is
> made specifically for
> this application.
>
> Mike Strukel

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:40:53 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - air filter housing

Looks great! Yes, you should notice a bit more throttle sound and pep (you
really need an open exhaust to realise the full gain from the new filter and
your modified box. The only thing you may want to consider is that the
filter will now draw in hot, under-hood air, which gives lower performance
than cool outside air. You may want to design a tube (plenum) that brings
cool air from the front grill or under the front bumper so you get the full
benefits of the filter, cool air, and "ram" air when going fast.

Keith

- -----Original Message-----
From: mattadams pcisys.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - air filter housing


>I don't know about putting holes in it, but here is what I experienced. I
put
>in a K&N Filter when I realized my filter was EXTREMELY dirty, and almost
>unusable. Didn't notice much, maybe slightly cooler sounding. Then I
decided
>to chop my air filter housing in two pieces (you can see pics of what I
mean at
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pcisys.net/~mattbert/babe/engine.html. Once I made that
>modification I noticed the air flowed much better, my accelerating seemed
to go
>better (and sounded much better), as well as not hesitating so much at high
>speeds. I'm going to be putting an Airaid system as well as the JBA
headers
>(when the deal goes through on those) and I plan on racing the stupid
low-rided
>trucks... not to offend anyone with a low-rided truck :).
>
>Matt
>
>> i have a 98 f-150 4.2L V-6 5 spd 3.55 axle. i've seen in a few
truck
>> magazines and have heard of people putting small holes (penny or dime
size)
>> in their filter housing. if i recall this correctly, they were saying it
is
>> supposed to further unrestrict air flow into the engine and give better
>> performance.
>>
>> is there anyone who knows anything further about this? any info would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Bill
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:45:54 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford "Loyal Customer" Rebate

Nathan,

I keep hearing about some program called the "loyal customer rebate" which
provides an additional $500 off any new vehicle if you already own an Expy,
F-Truck, Explorer. Any truth to this?? Does it apply to both buying and
leasing? Thanks!

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:53:03 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply

I got the Borla Cat-Back (dual pipes) for my V-10 F-350, and I do like the
sound. However, because you have 10 cylinders firing every 2 revolutions
instead of 8 cylinders, the "burble" sound of a V-8 we all know and love is
smoothed-out somewhat. I like the sound of the V-10, it actually sounds
similar to some airplane engines, which I like. Anyway, the exhaust from a
V-10 will not sound like a V-8, it will be different, but I appreciate it
for it's own sound.

Keith


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From: Strukel, Mike
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply


>I also typically swap in a K&N, but just have not gotten to it yet. How
>does the magnaflow sound with the V10? Is it a direct bolt in, or is it
a
>complete system? After I 1st got my truck, I went down to my local
>exhaust shop and talked to them about a custom cat back system. They had
>me listen to a V10 with a Dynomax Superturbo and also with a glass pack.
>Both sounded lousy in my opinion. It resembled a 4 cylinder that the
>muffler fell off of. That kind og turned me off to the idea of messing
>with the exhaust.
>



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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:45:07 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

I will be more than happy to trade you my 3.73LS gears for your 4.30LS !
By the way mine is 4X4
Gene

Dave Santo wrote:

> Does anyone out there know what might have to be replaced (and the cost) to
> switch-out a 4.30LS for a 3.73LS?
>
> I figure the fuel mileage difference is about 15%. Anyone have a better
> figure?
>
> TIA
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:37:02 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

I guess I should have told y'all that I have a Y2K F-250 2WD(!) V-10 ordered and
that I live in Southern California. For some completely stupid reason out here
in CA you CAN NOT GET A 3.73LS WITH A V-10! You can get the REGULAR 3.73, but
NOT the LS option. When you try to order the LS, the order comes back with
4.30LS. Seems to me that if I want better highway mileage I should be able to
spec a truck so I can get it. Or, maybe I'm just nuts to want a 3.73LS. It might
be a dog in town vs. the highway, whereas the 4.30, I'm sure, will have a little
more get up and go from the traffic lights every 25 feet out here. I am
exploring my options at this point. I had already asked the "group" if anyone
knew WHY the LS on the 3.73 is illegal, but, I received no real definitive
answer. A friend of mine told me, in HIS opinion, that it might be because the
V-10 "barely" passed the smog certs and going to the LS would make it fail. Any
thoughts about that???
Thanx again.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:25:18 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.30LS downgrade (?) to 3.73LS

In a message dated 6/28/99 12:46:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fordf150xl hotmail.com writes:


550. , for that i hope your getting more than just ring &pinion& speedo gear
and labor, or its at dealer.

RS

I recently priced a ring and pinion swap on a Ford 8.8" rear end at $550,
parts and labor. Don't forget you'll have to get your speedometer
recalibrated as well (should only involve replacing a plastic gear in
transmission).
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