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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply
FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply -Reply
FTE 97up - Light Duty vs. Heavy Duty
FTE 97up - door locks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10 -Reply
Re: [FTE 97up - door locks]
Re: FTE 97up - Light Duty vs. Heavy Duty
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees
FTE 97up - Trojan Virus "Happy-99" on Mailing Lists
Re: FTE 97up - Trojan Virus "Happy-99" on Mailing Lists
Re: FTE 97up - Trojan Virus "Happy-99" on Mailing Lists
Re: FTE 97up - Trojan Virus "Happy-99" on Mailing Lists
Re: FTE 97up - door locks
FTE 97up - Thanks, Ken
FTE 97up - Diesel fuel additives
Re: FTE 97up - Light Duty vs. Heavy Duty

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:49:09 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply

The one question I have about all the different tests is how many miles
did these trucks have on them? My SD 350 V-10/4.30/auto cab chassis
work truck was absolutely riduculus for lack of power, when new. Now
with 10k miles, it will definitely whup my 89 with 460/4.10/std, even
though the new truck weighs 1000 lb more. The auto matched to the V-10
is a big help as it spins hard to 65 mph in 2nd gear, the old unit was
all done at about 45 in 3rd.
One note: Make sure your V-10 has a hole cut in the tin in front of
the air intake horn, some trucks were built without this, causing slow
performance.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:03:44 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply -Reply

good point Lee

I believe all of these trucks were new with few miles on them. I would really like to see some dyno numbers with a
fully broken in V-10. Perhaps those 180 to 200 hp rear wheel hp numbers might improve significantly. At least I hope
so. At 6K miles I do think my V-10 is better than when new.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:34:56 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply -Reply

My view of the 460 vs V10 pulling about 9000#. Its been a
few years, so memory may have failed me some, but when
pulling I see very little difference between the 460 with
4.10 and the V10 with 4.30, until about 50 mph, then I think
the V10 has the edge. Also at 60 mph the 460 got about 7.5
mpg towing and the V10 gets 9.4 mpg. Running empty the 460
got 8 mpg and the V10 gets 14.8 mpg. I find towing above 65
mph with the V10 results in less mileage and less pulling
power. I've tried several grades of gasoline in the V10,
mileage wise and feel of driving, I see no difference at
all. As far as hard facts on paper from machine testing, I
find the data has to show nearly an 8% change before the
average driver notices any difference in power. Just my
opinion, no hard data facts to back me up. I spent several
years of my life on a dyno working for one of the big three,
so I do have a fairly good feel in the seat of my pants.
Again its just how I see it. Bill

GEORGE CROLL wrote:
>
> good point Lee
>
> I believe all of these trucks were new with few miles on them. I would really like to see some dyno numbers with a
> fully broken in V-10. Perhaps those 180 to 200 hp rear wheel hp numbers might improve significantly. At least I hope
> so.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:33:09 -0400
From: "Douglas Petschow"
Subject: FTE 97up - Light Duty vs. Heavy Duty

I am new to the list and have a couple of questions that I hope the list could
help me with. I am about to purchase a new Ford Pick-up but am in a little
dilemma on what to purchase. It is between the F150 Flareside extended cab and
the F250 Superduty extended cab short bed. Here are my questions.
1. Does the F150 Flareside handle and ride much nicer that the F250 Superduty?
2. Is the F150 Flareside with the 5.4 faster than the F250 Superduty with the
6.8?
3. If so how much?
4. Does anyone know what the differences are between the 99 and 00 models? I am
not sure if the differences are out yet.
I appreciate any info the list could provide me!


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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:08:20 -0700
From: "Rivera, Max"
Subject: FTE 97up - door locks

I have a 97 f150 std cab 4.2L 5 speed, and have a simple question. I
noticed that the door locks are opened by lifting the door handle. I found
this to be a safety problem, especially with kids and also alduts, If one of
them grabs the door handle and pulls the door is unlocked and could open.
Anybody have a solution or remarks on this. Probably nothing i can do but i
thought i would ask.


regrads

Maximo D. Rivera
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:10:41 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply -Reply

Absolutely,

I only have 2,000 miles on my F-350 SC / LB / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS and the
engine is just now starting to "loosen-up" and rev freer and quicker. I
also noticed the same thing in my '98 Expedition / 5.4L / 3.73LS and after
10,000 miles on the Expy, I can tell you, it is a different engine now than
the day is was made!

Keith


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From: GEORGE CROLL
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 9:14 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 460 vs V10 -Reply -Reply


>good point Lee
>
>I believe all of these trucks were new with few miles on them. I would
really like to see some dyno numbers with a
>fully broken in V-10. Perhaps those 180 to 200 hp rear wheel hp numbers
might improve significantly. At least I hope
>so. At 6K miles I do think my V-10 is better than when new.
>George Croll
>EPA-OAR-ARD
>(202)564-0162
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:15:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10 -Reply

The good news here is that there is always room for
improvement on the V-10. It all depends on how much
you're willing to spend and how important it is to
improve the performance.

Banks has just released a Header/Catback system for
the V-10 truck which boasts improvements of 65 HP and
80 FT/LBS.

I haven't given up on beating my friends 460. Mostly
to shut him up, because I am totally happy with the
V-10 when pulling my boat, and that's what I bought it
for.

Keith P
99 F250 SD XLT SC V-10 4.30

- --- GEORGE CROLL wrote:
> A little "real" data on the ford SD V-10. I did
> some looking at my old magazines and picked all of
> the real track tested
> V-10 SD numbers I could find along wiht some
> selected other numbers of interest to see where the
> V-10 fits in in
> performance. I will say in advance that I own a
> V-10 and like the performance. But despite Nathans
> comments to
> the contrary the V-10 is not a fast vehicle in
> comparison to other trucks of like size and engine
> configuration. Note all
> results are for 4x4 trucks no 4x2's.
>
> Off Road Magazine sept 98: Road test 99 SD, V-10,
> auto 4.30 posi axle.
> 0 to 60 = 10.1 sec
> Pretty positive review overall, best SD number I
> could find
>
> four Wheeler Sept 98 Ford vs Chevy 1 tons compared,
> 99 SD V-10, auto 3.73 axle vs 454 chevy, auto, 4.56
> rear
> Ford SD first
> 0 to 60 = 12.17 sec (a lot slower than the 4.30,
> sorry Keith bombs out your post)
> 1/4 mi = 18.83 74 mph (not too hot)
> dyno test at rear wheels = 200 peak hp at 3500 rpm
> and 342 ft-lbs at 2000 rpm (where did 75 hp go)
>
> chevy 454 next
> 0 to 60 10.46 (not as fast as the V-10 with 4.30
> axle)
> 1/4 mi = 17.99 79.7
> dyno test at rear wheels = 240 3500, 380 ft lbs
> at2000 rpm
>
> this article rated the old 454 chevy as being a more
> powerful engine but rated the SD a better truck.
>
> Four Wheeler Jan 99 PU of the year shootout
>
> 99 F-350 Ford SD, V-10, auto 3.73 axle
> 0 to 60 = 12.71 sec
> Rear wheel dyno hp = 180??? (pretty low output for a
> 275 hp rated motor) Article bashed ford for lack of
> usable
> power.
>
> New 1/2 ton chevy with 5.3, auto, 3.73 axle in super
> cab.
> 0 to 60 = 10.67
>
> dodge turbo diesel 2500 with manual tranny and 3.56
> axle
> 0 to 60 14.47 (its a diesel)
>
> (faster than a V-6 Nissan and a 2500 turbo diesel
> dodge but slower than a new 5.3 chevy 1/2 ton) Note
> that the
> chevy weighed 4860 lbs and the Ford SD weighed 6260
> lbs. Also note that the 4.30 acle equipped Ford
> would have
> beat the chevy despite the weight differnence.
>
> Petersns 4 wheel and off Road Feb 99 4x4 of the year
> (12 trucks included)
>
> Ford f-350 V-10, 5 speed manual, 4.3 axle
> No 0 to 60 data
> 1/4 mi = 18.37 sec (a bit faster than the auto from
> above) article called the ford "gutless".
>
> 99 Ford F-150 SC with 260 hp 5.4 liter, auto and
> 3.73 axle
> 1/4 mi = 17.97 (Hmm faster than any SD 1/4 mi speed
> I have seen)
>
> New 99 chevy, 5.3 v-8, auto, 3.73 axle
> 1/4 mi = 17.40 (faster than both fords)
>
>
> Other misc comparisons
>
> Stock 96 dodge V-10 2500 4x4 with auto.
> 0 to 60 = 8.0 to 8.3 seconds (wow, much faster than
> the ford)
>
> New body style ford F-150 #'s
> 0-60 = 10.4 sec for 260 hp 5.4, auto and 3.55 rear
>
>
> My conclusions
> I would say that the V-10 Ford with 3.73 gears is
> not a great setup for power and if you believe
> direct comparisons
> from magazines pretty much a dog compared to other
> new trucks. The 4.30 gears make the ford
> competitive with
> smaller/lighter trucks such as the 5.3 chevy or the
> 5.4 F-150 ford and better than the old 5.4 ford.
> As for the old 460
> ford I think a 3.73 axle ratio V-10 would lose to a
> 4.10 460. The new V-10 is giving away both cubic
> inches, the
> ability to dump in a lot of fuel and the axle ratio.
> In this case the V-10 should'nt win unless the old
> style ford is much
> heavier than the new ford and I bet the opposite is
> true. Note that these comparisons do not tell us
> anyting about
> how well a V-10 will pull compared to a 460 or 454
> but once again cubic inches count for a lot in that
> catagory.
>
> Also note the very low rear wheel hp rating for SD
> trucks with the V-10. Where is the power going.
>
> sorry about the long post but I really like "fact"
> over heresay and the fact is that in an onramp
> accelaration test the
> 460 beat the ford V-10. Several different magazine
> tests show the 3.73 axle ratio V-10 SD truck to be
> slow in
> comparisons to other trucks including the 5.4 f-150.
> I really like my V-10 but I havent been hearing
> great things about
> the new motor anywhere.
>
>
>
>
>
> George Croll
> EPA-OAR-ARD
> (202)564-0162
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Date: 25 Jun 99 12:01:40 CDT
From: Ford Man
Subject: Re: [FTE 97up - door locks]

There may be a kit from Ford to child proof your doors.

"Rivera, Max" wrote:
I have a 97 f150 std cab 4.2L 5 speed, and have a simple question. I
noticed that the door locks are opened by lifting the door handle. I fou=
nd
this to be a safety problem, especially with kids and also alduts, If one=
of
them grabs the door handle and pulls the door is unlocked and could open.=

Anybody have a solution or remarks on this. Probably nothing i can do bu=
t i
thought i would ask. =



regrads =


Maximo D. Rivera
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:29:09 -0700
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Light Duty vs. Heavy Duty

I went through the same thing when I was purchasing my new truck ('99 F-150
Ext. Cab w\ 5.4L V8). I found that the F-150 was alot better for me because
I wasn't really going to haul more than 1000 pounds and I don't tow
anything. The ride felt smoother in the F-150, almost car like, and it
accelerated pretty quickly with the big V8. I also feel that the interior
of the F-150 is more ergonomic and comfortable.
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From: Douglas Petschow
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 7:41 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Light Duty vs. Heavy Duty


>
>
>
>I am new to the list and have a couple of questions that I hope the list
could
>help me with. I am about to purchase a new Ford Pick-up but am in a little
>dilemma on what to purchase. It is between the F150 Flareside extended cab
and
>the F250 Superduty extended cab short bed. Here are my questions.
>1. Does the F150 Flareside handle and ride much nicer that the F250
Superduty?
>2. Is the F150 Flareside with the 5.4 faster than the F250 Superduty with
the
>6.8?
>3. If so how much?
>4. Does anyone know what the differences are between the 99 and 00 models?
I am
>not sure if the differences are out yet.
>I appreciate any info the list could provide me!
>
>
>Doug.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:03:25 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:53:55 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Trojan Virus "Happy-99" on Mailing Lists

The Expedition Mailing List received an e-mail of one of our members with an
attached file "happy-99" apparently, if you open this executable, it
releases a "Trojan"-type Virus, whereupon everyone you send e-mail to will
each get sent a copy and so on. Fortunately, the member saw an attachment
(the little paperclip) next to his post and looked at it and realized what
had happened.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:55:27 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trojan Virus "Happy-99" on Mailing Lists

Ain't gonna happen here. We filter out attachments.
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

At 08:53 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>The Expedition Mailing List received an e-mail of one of our members with an
>attached file "happy-99" apparently, if you open this executable, it
>releases a "Trojan"-type Virus, whereupon everyone you send e-mail to will
>each get sent a copy and so on. Fortunately, the member saw an attachment
>(the little paperclip) next to his post and looked at it and realized what
>had happened.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:12:13 -0400
From: Cecil Apple
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trojan Virus "Happy-99" on Mailing Lists

You may be interested in th;is

Keith Veren wrote:
>
> The Expedition Mailing List received an e-mail of one of our members with an
> attached file "happy-99" apparently, if you open this executable, it
> releases a "Trojan"-type Virus, whereupon everyone you send e-mail to will
> each get sent a copy and so on. Fortunately, the member saw an attachment
> (the little paperclip) next to his post and looked at it and realized what
> had happened.
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:13:32 -0400
From: Cecil Apple
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trojan Virus "Happy-99" on Mailing Lists

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Ain't gonna happen here. We filter out attachments.
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> http://www.ford-trucks.com
>
> At 08:53 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >The Expedition Mailing List received an e-mail of one of our members with an
> >attached file "happy-99" apparently, if you open this executable, it
> >releases a "Trojan"-type Virus, whereupon everyone you send e-mail to will
> >each get sent a copy and so on. Fortunately, the member saw an attachment
> >(the little paperclip) next to his post and looked at it and realized what
> >had happened.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:10:50 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door locks

"Rivera, Max" wrote:
>
> I have a 97 f150 std cab 4.2L 5 speed, and have a simple question. I
> noticed that the door locks are opened by lifting the door handle. I found
> this to be a safety problem, especially with kids and also alduts, If one of
> them grabs the door handle and pulls the door is unlocked and could open.
> Anybody have a solution or remarks on this. Probably nothing i can do but i
> thought i would ask.
>
> regrads
>
> Maximo D. Rivera
> *Email mailto:max.rivera compaq.com
>
Maximo,

This is common to most all of the Ford line of vehicles. I
had to teach my children to leave the handle alone.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:22:24 -0700
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: FTE 97up - Thanks, Ken

THANK YOU!!!

As a Sys Admin, I sincerely appreciate what you are doing.

Thanks for the great job, btw.

- -Julian

At 20:55 06/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Ain't gonna happen here. We filter out attachments.
>Ken Payne
>Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:36:31 -0800 (AKDT)
From: akmomndad webtv.net (Joseph Veres)
Subject: FTE 97up - Diesel fuel additives

Hi y'all,

I am convinced that since the sulphur has been removed from diesel fuel
by the EPA, an additive is needed. I have run across a diesel fuel
additive that is considerably less expensive than Stanadyne, and I was
wondering if anyone has either heard of it or is using it.

It is called TLC (Texas Lubricants Corporation), an "all weather diesel
improver with zip." The benefits stated are as follows:
1. Flow Improvement - lowers pour point of fuel.
2. Cetane Improver - increases fuel efficiency.
3. Detergent/Dispersant Corrosion Inhibitors - cleans fuel systems,
injectors.
4. Eliminates Water - emulsifies water in the fuel.
5. Environmental - suppresses smoke.

The brochure goes on, describing characteristics such as density, flash
point, pour point, and other things that I don't understand.....


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