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97up-list-digest Friday, June 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 170



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - - Synthetic Oil-
FTE 97up - 2000 Model Year County of Origin?
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Model Year County of Origin?
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Model Year Country of Origin?
FTE 97up - 460 vs V10 -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil
FTE 97up - Study on Engine Oil Filter Brands
RE: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil - Delvac 1
Re: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10
RE: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil - Delvac 1

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:02:52 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - - Synthetic Oil-

On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:09:51 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

:
:
:I think its a rule of thumb. I heard that you use natural oil for =
break-in
:is so aid in having things seat or wear in correctly. I used regular =
oil
:for 6,000 miles, then am using synthetic after that.


I'm not an expert, but this "rule" seems like an old wive's tale.

It sounds like it makes sense, but it may have absolutely nothing to
do with the actual science of an engine!

Later,
Alan
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:32:12 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 Model Year County of Origin?

Wheels.COM, for the month of May, shows the new F-Series
Super Duty 2000 model year startup dates and locations of
manufacture as,

7/25/99 Kansas City, KS
8/16/99 Cauatitlan, Mexico

What surprised me is that the Kentucky plant is not listed here, what's the
story?
And which trucks (250 to 550) are being built in Mexico? The F-650 and 750
are shown in another row separarte from the above.

Charles.

"David Moore [Dmoore Dmoore.com]" wrote:

> Let me see if I understand this... Picking up a 2000 F350 on Oct 1999?
> Wouldn't that be a 1999?
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:19:20 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Model Year County of Origin?

Don't know where your info came from But KC builds the F-150 and Contour.
Kentucky builds most of the Super Dutys. The Mexico plant (to my
understanding) is going to build some of the Chassis cabs.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Abraham
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 8:32 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 Model Year County of Origin?


> Wheels.COM, for the month of May, shows the new F-Series
> Super Duty 2000 model year startup dates and locations of
> manufacture as,
>
> 7/25/99 Kansas City, KS
> 8/16/99 Cauatitlan, Mexico
>
> What surprised me is that the Kentucky plant is not listed here, what's
the
> story?
> And which trucks (250 to 550) are being built in Mexico? The F-650 and 750
> are shown in another row separarte from the above.
>
> Charles.
>
> "David Moore [Dmoore Dmoore.com]" wrote:
>
> > Let me see if I understand this... Picking up a 2000 F350 on Oct 1999?
> > Wouldn't that be a 1999?
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:41:09 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Model Year Country of Origin?

Sorry, forgot to include URL,

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wheels.com/fr_news.htm

Click on month of May

Charles.

Union Auto wrote:

> Don't know where your info came from But KC builds the F-150 and Contour.
> Kentucky builds most of the Super Dutys. The Mexico plant (to my
> understanding) is going to build some of the Chassis cabs.
>
> Nathan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Abraham
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 8:32 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 Model Year County of Origin?
>
> > Wheels.COM, for the month of May, shows the new F-Series
> > Super Duty 2000 model year startup dates and locations of
> > manufacture as,
> >
> > 7/25/99 Kansas City, KS
> > 8/16/99 Cauatitlan, Mexico
> >
> > What surprised me is that the Kentucky plant is not listed here, what's
> the
> > story?
> > And which trucks (250 to 550) are being built in Mexico? The F-650 and 750
> > are shown in another row separarte from the above.
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> > "David Moore [Dmoore Dmoore.com]" wrote:
> >
> > > Let me see if I understand this... Picking up a 2000 F350 on Oct 1999?
> > > Wouldn't that be a 1999?
> > >
> >
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:19:55 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10 -Reply

A little "real" data on the ford SD V-10. I did some looking at my old magazines and picked all of the real track tested
V-10 SD numbers I could find along wiht some selected other numbers of interest to see where the V-10 fits in in
performance. I will say in advance that I own a V-10 and like the performance. But despite Nathans comments to
the contrary the V-10 is not a fast vehicle in comparison to other trucks of like size and engine configuration. Note all
results are for 4x4 trucks no 4x2's.

Off Road Magazine sept 98: Road test 99 SD, V-10, auto 4.30 posi axle.
0 to 60 = 10.1 sec
Pretty positive review overall, best SD number I could find

four Wheeler Sept 98 Ford vs Chevy 1 tons compared, 99 SD V-10, auto 3.73 axle vs 454 chevy, auto, 4.56
rear
Ford SD first
0 to 60 = 12.17 sec (a lot slower than the 4.30, sorry Keith bombs out your post)
1/4 mi = 18.83 74 mph (not too hot)
dyno test at rear wheels = 200 peak hp at 3500 rpm and 342 ft-lbs at 2000 rpm (where did 75 hp go)

chevy 454 next
0 to 60 10.46 (not as fast as the V-10 with 4.30 axle)
1/4 mi = 17.99 79.7
dyno test at rear wheels = 240 3500, 380 ft lbs at2000 rpm

this article rated the old 454 chevy as being a more powerful engine but rated the SD a better truck.

Four Wheeler Jan 99 PU of the year shootout

99 F-350 Ford SD, V-10, auto 3.73 axle
0 to 60 = 12.71 sec
Rear wheel dyno hp = 180??? (pretty low output for a 275 hp rated motor) Article bashed ford for lack of usable
power.

New 1/2 ton chevy with 5.3, auto, 3.73 axle in super cab.
0 to 60 = 10.67

dodge turbo diesel 2500 with manual tranny and 3.56 axle
0 to 60 14.47 (its a diesel)

(faster than a V-6 Nissan and a 2500 turbo diesel dodge but slower than a new 5.3 chevy 1/2 ton) Note that the
chevy weighed 4860 lbs and the Ford SD weighed 6260 lbs. Also note that the 4.30 acle equipped Ford would have
beat the chevy despite the weight differnence.

Petersns 4 wheel and off Road Feb 99 4x4 of the year (12 trucks included)

Ford f-350 V-10, 5 speed manual, 4.3 axle
No 0 to 60 data
1/4 mi = 18.37 sec (a bit faster than the auto from above) article called the ford "gutless".

99 Ford F-150 SC with 260 hp 5.4 liter, auto and 3.73 axle
1/4 mi = 17.97 (Hmm faster than any SD 1/4 mi speed I have seen)

New 99 chevy, 5.3 v-8, auto, 3.73 axle
1/4 mi = 17.40 (faster than both fords)


Other misc comparisons

Stock 96 dodge V-10 2500 4x4 with auto.
0 to 60 = 8.0 to 8.3 seconds (wow, much faster than the ford)

New body style ford F-150 #'s
0-60 = 10.4 sec for 260 hp 5.4, auto and 3.55 rear


My conclusions
I would say that the V-10 Ford with 3.73 gears is not a great setup for power and if you believe direct comparisons
from magazines pretty much a dog compared to other new trucks. The 4.30 gears make the ford competitive with
smaller/lighter trucks such as the 5.3 chevy or the 5.4 F-150 ford and better than the old 5.4 ford. As for the old 460
ford I think a 3.73 axle ratio V-10 would lose to a 4.10 460. The new V-10 is giving away both cubic inches, the
ability to dump in a lot of fuel and the axle ratio. In this case the V-10 should'nt win unless the old style ford is much
heavier than the new ford and I bet the opposite is true. Note that these comparisons do not tell us anyting about
how well a V-10 will pull compared to a 460 or 454 but once again cubic inches count for a lot in that catagory.

Also note the very low rear wheel hp rating for SD trucks with the V-10. Where is the power going.

sorry about the long post but I really like "fact" over heresay and the fact is that in an onramp accelaration test the
460 beat the ford V-10. Several different magazine tests show the 3.73 axle ratio V-10 SD truck to be slow in
comparisons to other trucks including the 5.4 f-150. I really like my V-10 but I havent been hearing great things about
the new motor anywhere.





George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:27:50 -0700
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil

>The thing to avoid in my book is polymers. These are used to "stretch" the
>viscosity
>ratings of conventional oils, they are also the first thing to break down.
>Never
>use a 10W-40 oil, lots of polymers. This is why straight 30 weight was
>always the
>best choice for hard working engines. The obvious down side was the
>thickness
>of the oil at cold start.

One reason I use synthetic Red Line 10W30 in my F250 is because it has a
base or "natural" viscosity of 10W30 without polymer additives. If I lived
in a climate with really cold winters (unlike here in Oregon), I would use
the 5W30 in winter. The wide-range viscosity stability is a characteristic
of the base stock's molecular structure, and this may be true of several
other synthetics as well.

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:57:08 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Study on Engine Oil Filter Brands

Interesting read on the quality of popular oil filter brands
that we all buy,

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html

Charles.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:44:24 -0500
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil - Delvac 1

Here is one more. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.siegeloil.com/Mobil.htm
They want $97.06 a case, four gallon per case and that includes shipping to
my home. I found a distributor 50 miles from my home and they want $18.44 a
gallon. I would like to use this oil but I do not know if it worth the
trouble. I am also considering Shell ROTELLA SB Synthetic Blend which I can
buy locally for $41.00 a case of six.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.shell-lubricants.com/Trucking/

 


I found a Mobil 1 Delvac distributor online .... see:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sniderpetroleum.com/mobil.html




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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith F
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10

I found peak power and torque charts for the 5.4, 6.8 and 7.3 on
the ford website:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/superduty/power8a.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/superduty/power8b.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/superduty/power8c.html

The 7.3 chart seems to show the power peak at about 2500RPM.

Hope this helps!

Keith - keithf rocketmail.com
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>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:40:38 -0700
>From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10
>
>This message is particularly for Nathan at Union Auto.
>In the last digest you posted a note saying that V10's "walk
>allover the 460". I was just wondering if you have any curves of
>torquevs rpm available.
>I bought a new '97 F350 14 months ago and I do find the 460 in it
>quite strong. However, I was never able to even determine the
>redline, so I arbitrarily decided to never go over 4000 rpm
>withit.
>Just knowing the peak torque and corresponding rpm and
>peakhorsepower and corresponding rpm would help me out to
>understand this motor.
>By the way, this truck certainly feels solid as anything I've
ever >owned.
>Thank you... - Stephen Witte F350 4x4 CC SRW 5sp 3.55
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:51:16 -0500
From: "David Moore [Dmoore Dmoore.com]"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil - Delvac 1

Check the Mobil 1 web site I posted earlier. I called their 800 number and
reached a wonderfully helpful person that gave me dealer locations and
explain that AutoZone can carry it but it's at the managers discretion. I
found mine locally and though I only bought 286$ in 3 cases (12 gallons)
they were happy to sell it to me.

Thanks,

david

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Schapker
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 3:44 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil - Delvac 1


Here is one more. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.siegeloil.com/Mobil.htm
They want $97.06 a case, four gallon per case and that includes shipping to
my home. I found a distributor 50 miles from my home and they want $18.44 a
gallon. I would like to use this oil but I do not know if it worth the
trouble. I am also considering Shell ROTELLA SB Synthetic Blend which I can
buy locally for $41.00 a case of six.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.shell-lubricants.com/Trucking/....


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