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97up-list-digest Tuesday, June 22 1999 Volume 02 : Number 167



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - 2000 SD prices; Changes '99 to '00 -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck
FTE 97up - Excursion pricing announced.
FTE 97up - '00 Color... Was: Re-Introduction
FTE 97up - Front end
Re: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular V-8 "not a Good Choice for Trucks"
Re: FTE 97up - Front end
Re: FTE 97up - Front end
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD prices; Changes '99 to '00
Re: FTE 97up - Front end
RE: FTE 97up - Front end
Re: FTE 97up - Front end
Re: FTE 97up - Front end -Reply
FTE 97up - my new boat
FTE 97up - Harvest Gold
Re: FTE 97up - my new boat
FTE 97up - dog tracking SD
FTE 97up - Towing Rigs
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Rigs
Re: FTE 97up - Front end
Re: FTE 97up - Towing Rigs

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:00:23 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 SD prices; Changes '99 to '00 -Reply

So what about the V-10. The Excursion is listed at 300 hp I think. Is the SD going to get the power boost in 00??
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:49:02 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck

The Harvest gold is a simmilar color to the Praire Tan, however, it is more
gold (has a lot of metallic to it). If you can find any 1999 Charts, it was
available on F-150 and on Crown Victoria.

Nathan Bernard

- ----- Original Message -----
From: John ZaBelle
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 12:31 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck


> This is my first post here in quite some time, so bear with me. I
belonged
> to the 61-79 list a couple of years ago when I had a 1967 F-100. I'm glad
> to see that ken was nice enough to leave my truck on in the pictorial
> section (it's the blue shortbed), Thanks Ken!
> I had to part with it about 6 months ago, when Uncle Sam decided that I
was
> needed in Guam.
> Well, I finally found a decent ISP here on "the rock", and I miss my truck
> so much that I just ordered a 2000 F-250 SD 4x2.
> I'm being told that I'll get it in November due to build date and long
> shipping time.
> I ordered it with the Lariat package, V-10, auto, 3.73 LS, towing package,
> class IV receiver and trailer mirrors.
> I'm having trouble with the color though. Does anyone have a picture of
the
> "Harvest Gold metallic"? I would have liked the Prairie Tan, but it is
> being discontinued in 2000.
> Anyhow, I'm glad I found the list again. Every time I get the digest,
it's
> almost like being back home.
> By the way Ken, the web site has really taken off, it looks better than
> ever!
>
> John Z
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:10:35 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Excursion pricing announced.

Just got a press release from Ford detailing the Excursion and
it gives pricing info.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/index.html

Later,
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:48:41 -0700
From: Bill Splaine
Subject: FTE 97up - '00 Color... Was: Re-Introduction

Bill, Most of the colors are the same. One notable difference is the
elimination of one of their best colors.... Prarie Tan. However it was
replaced by Harvest Gold. I was leery about ordering my truck with this
color... sight unseen.... until the sales person pointed out a harvest gold
99 Winstar. Nice color..... similar to the Prarie Tan but is metallic.
You might check the other Ford vehicles from 99 to see if one was Island
Blue as was the Harvest Gold.

I don't know if there are any vehicles in the 99 year with Island Blue..
but that is the only new color. Colors deleted were Light Prarie Tan,
Hunter Green and of course they deleted the violet color earlier in the 99
year.

I went for harvest gold over White on my ordered 350 Lariat PSD CC........
awesome.

Bill
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:59:34 EDT
From: Cop786 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Front end

Hello everyone.
I have a 97 F150 XLT and on some larger bumps in the road it seems like the
front of my truck "bounces". It is more noticeable at night because I can see
the lights bounce along with the front of the truck. It has 40,000 miles, so
I wouldn't think it would be the shocks. Any ideas?
Thanks Alot!!!
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:13:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular V-8 "not a Good Choice for Trucks"

All I have to say is that it was kind of a hoky race,
but I know I had the "Pedal to the Metal".

I had a MagnaFlow muffler installed friday, and seat
of the pants feel is better. The only timing
benchmarks I have are towing about 7000 lbs, so we'll
see how much improvement in time there is.

- --- Union Auto wrote:
> Thats wild, a friend of mine has a '98 F-150 with a
> 5.4L and the off Road
> package and compared to another friends 95 F-250 4x2
> it will easily win an
> empty race despite the fact that the F-250 has a 460
> and 4.10 gears (3.55 on
> the 150 and taller tires too).
>
> Nathan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Privratsky
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular V-8 "not a
> Good Choice for Trucks"
>
>
> > I have raced my buddy down an on-ramp to the
> freeway -
> > and lost (not by much). Mine is a 99 F250 SC XLT
> V10
> > 4.30 stock, his is a 92 F250 HD SC 460 4.10 Camper
> > shell, BUT he has modified the air box, changed
> the
> > muffler, improved the shift in the tranny, and
> added
> > an aftermarket spark enhancer. I'm hoping that a
> K&N
> > and muffler will put him back in his place.
> >
> > Keith P.
> >
> > BTW - enjoying the posts!
> >
> > --- Union Auto wrote:
> > > I have to comment on this one. There are many
> > > people that don't like the
> > > overhead cam engines just because they are
> > > different. The'll make up
> > > reasons its no good and say that they need
> replaced.
> > > But for pulling power
> > > these engines are wonderful, reliability has
> been
> > > great, and mileage is much
> > > improved over the old windsor engines. The only
> > > complaint I have is that
> > > the power band is so smooth that you don't
> notice
> > > the power that's there.
> > > If you drive a 460 you'll know when it comes
> into
> > > its power band because it
> > > will suddenly sit you back in your seat (the new
> GM
> > > engines are this way
> > > also, but it's not until close to 4,000 RPM that
> > > they do it), where the V-10
> > > makes smooth power but you don't get that sudden
> > > here we go sensation. That
> > > makes the 460 feel more powerful by the
> > > seat-of-the-pants meter. However if
> > > you run a 460 and a V-10 side by side (empty or
> > > loaded) you'll find that the
> > > V-10 walks all over the 460 (the 5.4L will
> empty)
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > >
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:38:45 EDT
From: Christian Bagley
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front end

It's most likely the shocks. The OEM shocks are not good at all. Many
people on this list share the same thoughts on this subject. I replaced my
shocks at 50,000 miles and they were completely gone. I used Rancho RS5000
for replacement, they work pretty good. Great for off road.

Chris


>From: Cop786 aol.com
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>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Front end
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:59:34 EDT
>
>Hello everyone.
>I have a 97 F150 XLT and on some larger bumps in the road it seems like the
>front of my truck "bounces". It is more noticeable at night because I can
>see
>the lights bounce along with the front of the truck. It has 40,000 miles,
>so
>I wouldn't think it would be the shocks. Any ideas?
>Thanks Alot!!!
>Chris Gerstner
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:38:58 EDT
From: Christian Bagley
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front end

It's most likely the shocks. The OEM shocks are not good at all. Many
people on this list share the same thoughts on this subject. I replaced my
shocks at 50,000 miles and they were completely gone. I used Rancho RS5000
for replacement, they work pretty good. Great for off road.

Chris


>From: Cop786 aol.com
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Front end
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:59:34 EDT
>
>Hello everyone.
>I have a 97 F150 XLT and on some larger bumps in the road it seems like the
>front of my truck "bounces". It is more noticeable at night because I can
>see
>the lights bounce along with the front of the truck. It has 40,000 miles,
>so
>I wouldn't think it would be the shocks. Any ideas?
>Thanks Alot!!!
>Chris Gerstner
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:47:36 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD prices; Changes '99 to '00

I've seen two numbers so far 290 and 300. Ford's spec sheet for powertrains has "TBD" (to be determined???).

GEORGE CROLL wrote:

> So what about the V-10. The Excursion is listed at 300 hp I think. Is the SD going to get the power boost in 00??

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:47:39 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front end

does rancho make good shocks for 4x2 full size trucks too?

Bill
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:54:16 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Front end

Hmmm, it sounds like a classic need for shocks to me.
The only two things associated with a "bounce" are the torsion
bars and shock absorbers. (yes there are many other components
in the suspension, but none that cause this symptom).

Is it one bounce or a series of them before the front
end "settles down"? Have you inspected your shocks for
fluid leaks? Also, look at the bump stops on the A-arms,
look for evidence of them hitting. Some contact is normal,
but if they are getting beat up, that's more evidence of a
bad shock absorber.

They look fairly easy to replace, at 40K, if you can do
it yourself, it's probably a pretty inexpensive fix.


Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:59 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Front end
>
> Hello everyone.
> I have a 97 F150 XLT and on some larger bumps in the road it seems like
> the
> front of my truck "bounces". It is more noticeable at night because I can
> see
> the lights bounce along with the front of the truck. It has 40,000 miles,
> so
> I wouldn't think it would be the shocks. Any ideas?
> Thanks Alot!!!
> Chris Gerstner
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:01:28 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front end

On the issue of shocks, my '96 Explorer has about 60K and could use a new
set. Any recommendations? I liked the way the OEM shocks worked, but now
they seem a little tired.

Ken

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:59 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Front end


> Hello everyone.
> I have a 97 F150 XLT and on some larger bumps in the road it seems like
the
> front of my truck "bounces". It is more noticeable at night because I can
see
> the lights bounce along with the front of the truck. It has 40,000 miles,
so
> I wouldn't think it would be the shocks. Any ideas?
> Thanks Alot!!!
> Chris Gerstner
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:56:58 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front end -Reply

Ranch makes several excellent shocks for nearly all applications.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:38:55 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - my new boat

i'm buying a boat this weekend. i'm not sure what the specs on it are, i
have to go tonight and decide on it. but i am writing this to ask a few
questions from other experienced people.
i live in the okc area. i'll be going to lake thunderbird, draper, arbuckle,
konawa. for the most part all the land to these lakes is flat, some hill
though.
i have a 98 f-150 4.2 5 spd tranny 3.55 gears. the boat and trailer
combo weighs just under 2000#. it should be no problem to tow it. the
question i have is about the overdrive (5th). should i use it when going
close the the interstate speeds, or should i stay in fourth to keep from
having to shift if i get behind slow traffic on a hill?
this will be my first time towing anything in a few years. i need to get
used to it again. i know nothing about boats(not the subject here though).

thanks for any info anyone may give me

Bill
98 f-150 4.2 v-6 5 spd 3.55
bumper mounted ball hitch
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:40:57 -0400
From: "Pete Elliott"
Subject: FTE 97up - Harvest Gold

I have a '99 F150 in Harvest Gold. I think it's brighter (yellower?) than
the Prairie Tan was. It's a nice color - hides dust well - and has drawn
some compliments. You should be able to find pictures of the color in 1999
F150 brochures and maybe on the car-shopping websites under the 1999 F150.

- - Pete

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:39:44 PDT
From: Frank Spor
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - my new boat

Feel it out...if the engine lugs, downshift...If you are shifting 4 - 5 all
the time, leave it in forth....You will get the feel for it quickly....

What I know about boats,...A Boat is a hole in the water, surrounded by
wood, metal or fiberglass, into which you pour money.

You may need to get a hitch, besides the bumper, just to lower the front of
the boat so that the back is not scraping....You will know when you see it.

Frank


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:44:15 -0500
From: "Jack Harrison"
Subject: FTE 97up - dog tracking SD

Has anyone measured their wheel base to see how much difference there is
from side to side? I had the lowering kit put in my F250 SC and it had a
pretty distinct dog track. My truck was never driven before the lowering
kit was put in. My dealer claimed to have fixed the problem and I took
their word for it. After a long trip I noticed more tire wear and someone
following me said it still dog tracked. I took it to the dealer and they
realligned front but don't know what to do about WB difference. Driver side
is an inch shorter than passenger side. Does ayone have any suggestions?

Jack Harrison



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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:39:42 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Towing Rigs

Hi Guys,

I know that there are several of you out there who have
purchased or are considering purchasing 1 ton trucks
for your large fifth wheel RV's. Please check out the
link below for some disturbing information about scales
and DOT. The web site offers some self serving information,
but it confirms things that I'm hearing from DOT officers.
As a short primer, DOT does not want 1 ton trucks used
in an overloaded condition and as of the first of the year,
they will start enforcing manufacturers axle load ratings
as a way to get them off the roads. This will almost
legislate 1 ton commercial trucks off the road.

Please consider some of the larger medium duty
trucks for your use, like the F-450 through F-750
series or similar from other manufacturers for your
large fifth wheel trailers.

Believe me when I tell you that DOT officers are
not as nice as your typical highway patrolmen,
you do not want to encounter these people if you
can avoid it. Fines are levied on the spot and must
be paid before you will be allowed to proceed, and
not all of them take credit cards, cash is advised.

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Click here: Page2

Best Regards,
Robert
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:02:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing Rigs

> Please consider some of the larger medium duty
> trucks for your use, like the F-450 through F-750
> series or similar from other manufacturers for your
> large fifth wheel trailers.

Speaking of F450's and F550's. Is there a vender selling a pickup bed body
for these, so it can function as a normal pickup truck, albeit the fifth
wheel hitch, and the heavy-duty parts?

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:31:00 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front end

As much as you don't think so, it sounds like shocks.


>From: Cop786 aol.com
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Front end
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:59:34 EDT
>
>Hello everyone.
>I have a 97 F150 XLT and on some larger bumps in the road it seems like the
>front of my truck "bounces". It is more noticeable at night because I can
>see
>the lights bounce along with the front of the truck. It has 40,000 miles,
>so
>I wouldn't think it would be the shocks. Any ideas?
>Thanks Alot!!!
>Chris Gerstner
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:49:57 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing Rigs

In a message dated 6/21/99 5:42:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
RamWorker aol.com writes:

> > Please consider some of the larger medium duty
> > trucks for your use, like the F-450 through F-750
> > series or similar from other manufacturers for your
> > large fifth wheel trailers.

In a message dated 6/21/99 6:04:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dfloyd fnord.com....


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