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97up-list-digest Monday, June 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 166



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck
FTE 97up - 460 vs V10
Re: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck
RE: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue
FTE 97up - Rancho 5000 Shocks
FTE 97up - 2000 SD prices; Changes '99 to '00
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD prices; Changes '99 to '00
FTE 97up - Re: Superduty TSB and CAC
Re: FTE 97up - Rancho 5000 Shocks
Re: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck
FTE 97up - Super Duty color choices for 2000

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 06:28:08 -0400
From: "Bill Lynam"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck

John,

Where did you obtain the info on the available colors for the 2000 models?
I ordered a 2000 F-350 SD 4x2 dually a couple of weeks ago. I also ordered
it with the Lariat package, V-10, auto, towing package, class IV receiver
and trailer mirrors. The dealer hadn't received the available colors or
prices yet.

Could you send me a list of the available colors for the F-350 Lariat, or
let me know where I could find it.

Thanks,

Bill in Cincinnati


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:31:02 +1000
From: "John ZaBelle"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck

This is my first post here in quite some time, so bear with me. I belonged
to the 61-79 list a couple of years ago when I had a 1967 F-100. I'm glad
to see that ken was nice enough to leave my truck on in the pictorial
section (it's the blue shortbed), Thanks Ken!
I had to part with it about 6 months ago, when Uncle Sam decided that I was
needed in Guam.
Well, I finally found a decent ISP here on "the rock", and I miss my truck
so much that I just ordered a 2000 F-250 SD 4x2.
I'm being told that I'll get it in November due to build date and long
shipping time.
I ordered it with the Lariat package, V-10, auto, 3.73 LS, towing package,
class IV receiver and trailer mirrors.
I'm having trouble with the color though. Does anyone have a picture of the
"Harvest Gold metallic"? I would have liked the Prairie Tan, but it is
being discontinued in 2000.
Anyhow, I'm glad I found the list again. Every time I get the digest, it's
almost like being back home.
By the way Ken, the web site has really taken off, it looks better than
ever!
John Z

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:33:38 -0700
From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 460 vs V10


This message is particularly for Nathan at Union Auto.

In the last digest you posted a note saying that V10's "walk all over
the 460". I was just wondering if you have any curves of torque vs
rpm available.

I bought a new '97 F350 14 months ago and I do find the 460 in it
quite strong. However, I was never able to even determine the
redline, so I arbitrarily decided to never go over 4000 rpm with it.

Just knowing the peak torque and corresponding rpm and peak horsepower
and corresponding rpm would help me out to understand this motor.

By the way, this truck certainly feels solid as anything I've ever
owned.

Thank you...


- Stephen Witte F350 4x4 CC SRW 5sp 3.55

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:20:45 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck

Seems like a dealer told me that some of the colors were simply being
renamed for 2000 as a marketing gimmick. Pretty sure Prairie Tan and Harvest
Gold Metallic are the same (I may well be wrong).


>From: "John ZaBelle"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck
>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:31:02 +1000
>
>This is my first post here in quite some time, so bear with me. I belonged
>to the 61-79 list a couple of years ago when I had a 1967 F-100. I'm glad
>to see that ken was nice enough to leave my truck on in the pictorial
>section (it's the blue shortbed), Thanks Ken!
> I had to part with it about 6 months ago, when Uncle Sam decided that I
>was
>needed in Guam.
>Well, I finally found a decent ISP here on "the rock", and I miss my truck
>so much that I just ordered a 2000 F-250 SD 4x2.
>I'm being told that I'll get it in November due to build date and long
>shipping time.
>I ordered it with the Lariat package, V-10, auto, 3.73 LS, towing package,
>class IV receiver and trailer mirrors.
>I'm having trouble with the color though. Does anyone have a picture of
>the
>"Harvest Gold metallic"? I would have liked the Prairie Tan, but it is
>being discontinued in 2000.
>Anyhow, I'm glad I found the list again. Every time I get the digest, it's
>almost like being back home.
>By the way Ken, the web site has really taken off, it looks better than
>ever!
>
>John Z
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:26:15 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue

Better keep in their butts until it's done. I don't trust dealers like that
any further than I can throw them.


>From: Todd Styles
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 'Robert Brown '
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue
>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:35:51 -0500
>
>I called the CAC and that took down my complaint, told me they would
>forward
>it to the dealer. But, they told me they didn't have any authority to force
>them to do anything. The CAC suggested I just go to a different dealer.
>I ended up called the manager of the service department again and
>explaining
>my situation. He called me back within an hour and told me that the parts
>have been ordered and they'll call when they get in.
>Todd.
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>
>Ha!! Call Ford's so called customer assistance center! Their standard
>answer is, "You'll just have to work it out with the dealer." Customer
>assistance my butt.
>


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:43:42 -0700
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: FTE 97up - Rancho 5000 Shocks

Has anybody put on a set of Rancho 5000 shocks on their 4x4 Superduty
that has the 3" front suspension lift. If so do you know the part
numbers for the fronts and the backs.

Thanks Kent
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:46:14 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 SD prices; Changes '99 to '00

Prices are apparently on the site:


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www./pricingreport/style/fordpickup-f2502000.html


AND I found the following somewhere else on the i'net (forgot where, so, I
can't give credit; sorry).


"I got this from the Ford Dealer Site, but as it's
a .pdf file I had to scan and OCR it, hence any odd
spelling or punctuation! Hope this answers your
question SLVideo.


3-99 2000 SUPER DUTY F-250
MAJOR PRODUCT CHANGES
OVERVIEW
* The new 2000 Super Duty F-250 reinforces the
tough image of the F-series and continues to meet
the needs of both commercial and personal use
customers
Technological and functional innovations allow
this truck to get the job done

EXTERIOR CHANGES
Colors Added:
- Harvest Gold Cleacoat Metallic (B5)
- Island Blue (R2)
Colors Deleted:
- Light Prairie Tan Clearcoat Metallic
- Dark Hunter Green Clearcoat Metallic
* Standard rear bumper on all pickups

INTERIOR CHANGES
* Woodgrain appliques added to door trim panels
on Lariat and new floor mats ''Lariat'' logo
Standard power windows/locks added to XLT trim
level
* Standard floor mats added to XLT trim level
Colors Added:
- Dark Denim Blue
- Medium Dab Parchment (X)
Colors Deleted:
- Denim Blue
- Medium Prairie Tan

FUNCTIONAL CHANGES
* Spare wheel and tire with underrate carrier and
spare tire lock standard on pickup models with
pickup box (remains optional with pickup box
delete)
* Front tow hooks standard on all pickups

*4 Wheel antilock brakes standard on XLT and
Lariat trim levels
* Standard heavy duty battery with all gasoline
engines
* Clean Fuel (LEV) gasoline and diesel engine
application standard on all pickups

OPTION PROGRAM CHANGES
OPTIONS ADDED:
* Bucket seats on XL in H.D. vinyl, H.D. knitted
vinyl or HD cloth with recliner and without
console
* Standard fold-up rear bench bat on all
Supercabs (design deletes the upper rear seat
bolster)
* Dual alternator available with diesel engine
OPTIONS REVISED:
New telescoping manual and power trailer tow
mirrors replace current non-telescoping manual
and power trailer tow mirrors
* Revised floor console
OPTIONS DELETED:
* 7.3L diesel Cold Weather Package Delete
* Bedside molding on pickup box
* Carpet on XLT door panel
* Manual lumbar support on passenger side seats"



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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:03:47 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD prices; Changes '99 to '00

I searched and found the name so I could give credit.

His name was Martin McKim.

Thanks Martin!
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:23:15 -0700
From: Bill Splaine
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Superduty TSB and CAC

My experience with the CAC is the same. I ordered a '99 in August and it
arrived about the 1st of Nov and it had the incorrect mirrors... Fleet Mgr
said he couldn't swap them out for correct ones.. RIGHT.... Reordered.. and
about two days later I went in and asked if I could change the order for an
F350... sure no problem... months went by.. finally in early May I went in
and inquired... wasn't scheduled.... get the picture... They gave me a
great price but didn't required a deposit... still getting the picture. I
got upset and emailed CAC... they did check with local dealer and reported
what they gleaned... totally incorrect. I wrote back (I waited till I
cooled off and wrote nice letters too) and they gave me a standard form
answer and said they didn't want to discuss it any longer.... How's that
for Quality is #1??? Even their Customer Care has much to be
desired........ ARE YO LISTENING FORD???? Needless to say, I've kissed
that dealership goodbye and have ordered another for a slightly higher
price from a reasonably local TRUCK dealership... still a great price tho.
But, how about that CAC? Don't seem very customer oriented to me....... I
agree with Mr Brown....... Customer Assistance..... My butt.


Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:55:25 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue

Ha!! Call Ford's so called customer assistance center! Their standard answer
is, "You'll just have to work it out with the dealer." Customer assistance
my butt.

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:44:07 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rancho 5000 Shocks

No....but I am happy with the Gas-8000 from Tuff Country I installed after I
put in my 3" front lift (spring replacement - 2 leaves to 5 leaves).

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Kent Tombs
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 1:42 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Rancho 5000 Shocks


>Has anybody put on a set of Rancho 5000 shocks on their 4x4 Superduty
>that has the 3" front suspension lift. If so do you know the part
>numbers for the fronts and the backs.
>
>Thanks Kent
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:47:25 -0400
From: "Freddy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck

HI John if you have any pics of the f250 2000 please send me one at
ffavela netzero.net I would like to take a look at it! Is it any
different than the 1999!!
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From: John ZaBelle
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 1:31 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck


> This is my first post here in quite some time, so bear with me. I
belonged
> to the 61-79 list a couple of years ago when I had a 1967 F-100. I'm glad
> to see that ken was nice enough to leave my truck on in the pictorial
> section (it's the blue shortbed), Thanks Ken!
> I had to part with it about 6 months ago, when Uncle Sam decided that I
was
> needed in Guam.
> Well, I finally found a decent ISP here on "the rock", and I miss my truck
> so much that I just ordered a 2000 F-250 SD 4x2.
> I'm being told that I'll get it in November due to build date and long
> shipping time.
> I ordered it with the Lariat package, V-10, auto, 3.73 LS, towing package,
> class IV receiver and trailer mirrors.
> I'm having trouble with the color though. Does anyone have a picture of
the
> "Harvest Gold metallic"? I would have liked the Prairie Tan, but it is
> being discontinued in 2000.
> Anyhow, I'm glad I found the list again. Every time I get the digest,
it's
> almost like being back home.
> By the way Ken, the web site has really taken off, it looks better than
> ever!
>
> John Z
>
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>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:33:26 +1000
From: "John ZaBelle"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty color choices for 2000

Ok, here are the colors available for the SD 250/350 for model year 2000.
I'm not sure if all colors are available for all trim levels.

Harvest Gold Clearcoat Metallic
Bright Amber Clearcoat Metallic....

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