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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - weighed F250SD
Re: FTE 97up - Wastegate Behavior
Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue
Re: FTE 97up - Speed Dependent Wipers
Re: FTE 97up - Triton Improvements for Late-Production '99 Models
Re: FTE 97up - replacement spark plugs
Re: FTE 97up - manual vs. automatic
Re: FTE 97up - Triton Improvements for Late-Production '99 Models
Re: FTE 97up - question
Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue
Re: FTE 97up - Wastegate Behavior
Re: FTE 97up - question
Re: FTE 97up - question
Re: FTE 97up - question
FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck
RE: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:01:02 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - weighed F250SD

At 02:28 PM 6/18/99 EDT, you wrote:

>Well today i decided to put my F250SD 4x4 PSD/SC/XLT/auto/142" on the truck
>scales, with 3/4 tank and my small craftsman box(150-200) in back, me in
>it(190) weighed in at 7340lbs on the Flying J scale
>
>Ross S

For what it's worth, here's a comparison: '97 F250HD (old style) w/ 351,
auto, 4x4, long bed and standard cab. My wife and I (say 300lb) and two
full tanks of gas, plus the toolbox full of tow chains and stuff (say
100lb) the truck crosses the scales at 5600lb.


Steve O.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:48:54 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wastegate Behavior

This is due to the speed limiter. If anyone has found a company with a
computer chip that eliminates it on a Super Duty (V-10 or Diesel) let me
know.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Matus
To:
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 5:23 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Wastegate Behavior


> Anyone observe the wastgate dumpiing at approx 27-2800 rpm on a PSD. I
was
> pushing my foot into my truch the other day and it dropped the pressure
from
> 17-18 psi down to 8-10 psi at 2700 rpms. I was at approx 90-92 mph at the
> time. Is this Fords way of protecting the engine? But redline is at 3300
> RPM. Does the wastegate dump because of the speed I was traveling? Or
does
> it dump at any speed at 2700 rpms in any gear(I have a 6-speed)?
>
> Don't go out an break any laws to test this. Just if you are daring like
> me(some stupidity i'll admit to).
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:51:02 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue

If you call Ford they should put pressure on the dealer to do it, or find
you a dealer who is willing to do it.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Styles
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 1:12 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue


> My local dealer is refusing to do the TSB 99-6-4 (new airbox). I
contacted
> Ford's CAC and they basically said all they can do is document by concern.
> Any ideas on how to get this handled? Thanks, Todd. '99 F250 SD,SC,PSD
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:53:35 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speed Dependent Wipers

I've never had any luck turning off the speed dependant wipers on any of the
vehicles, I have went out and checked to see if they actually work and it
does wipe more times at 60 MPH than it does at 20.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Peterson
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speed Dependent Wipers


> >I have a 99 F150 XLT and have not been able to activate/deactivate the
> >speed dependent feature for the intermittent wipers. I've followed the
> >instructions in the owner's manual with no luck. Has there been an update
> >to the instructions, or can someone tell me if they've successfully done
> >this, and how they did it.
>
> I tried the same thing on my F-250, and was told by a dealer service
person
> that the instructions were bogus. The feature could be turned and off by
> them by hooking up a computer to the GEM module, and enabling or disabling
> the feature.
>
> ---------------
> Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
> 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow
options
> LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 08:01:24 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Triton Improvements for Late-Production '99 Models

I haven't heard of any improvements on the engines for 1999 1/2.

Nathan Bernard

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Bowes
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 2:33 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Triton Improvements for Late-Production '99 Models


> Does anyone have a list of the changes/improvements that were made to the
Triton
> engines during the last part of the 1999 model year production?
>
> I've heard that ports were opened up and HP/torque specs have been
improved.
> Anyone know the details or have the new specs?
>
> Alan
>


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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:59:55 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - replacement spark plugs

You can use normal copper plugs. For example if your truck has AWSF-42 PP
(may read P+) you can run AWSF-42-C. The copper plugs just wear out
quicker. As for changing that soon I think I'd run at least 60,000 miles
before I'd mess with it. Theirs a reason the PP plugs are so expensive,
they last very very well. One way to check is to see when your mileage
drops then I'd check your plugs.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Gaudenti
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 3:53 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - replacement spark plugs


> I passed 30,000 miles a while ago and I'm thinking about changing the
> spark plugs (there is no way I'm going to leave plugs in there for 100,000
> miles). The dealer wants $9 each! I've looked at Autolite Double
> Platinum ($5.60) and the new-fangled Bosch Platinum+4 plugs ($6). Because
> of the way the 4.2L and 4.6L ignition systems work, double platinum is
> best for long life. But if they are changed often enough, that shouldn't
> be an issue. Anybody have a preference (and a reason)? Anybody tried the
> +4?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danny
>


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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 08:08:24 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - manual vs. automatic

The Automatic is rated to tow more than the Manual. That's why in a F-150
the only transmission you can get with the 5.4L is the auto. The reason for
this is the torque converter multiplies torque giving you more pulling
power. The only axle you can get is the 3.55 unless you get the "off road"
and then you can get the 3.73 (but the taller tires off-set the axle change.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 12:12 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - manual vs. automatic


> Ok, i'm real confused here. i've been told that a manual tranny will tow
and
> haul more than an automatic, and i've been told just the opposite. what
is
> the truth? does anyone know? i would really appreciate any information
> anyone could give me.
>
> i plan to trade my 98 f-150 in for a 99 f-150 5.4 3.73 axle not sure
of
> the 4x4 or which tranny yet though, any guidance on this matter would be
> appreciated.
>
> Bill
> Ccdlof aol.com
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:09:16 -0600
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Triton Improvements for Late-Production '99 Models

I had heard (unless I wasn't paying enough attention) from a Ford Service
Manager that several improvements, including larger ports, were phased into the
late '99 V10 production. I'll call him on Monday to double-check this and see
if he can reference a Ford document and/or give me more specific information.

Alan


Union Auto wrote:

> I haven't heard of any improvements on the engines for 1999 1/2.
>
> Nathan Bernard
>

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:50:32 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question

The automatic is rated for more capacity than the standard shift. Where in
Oklahoma are you? I ordered my rig last year in Apache. If you're planning
on buying a brand new one I'd advise you to do the same (you can get a
better deal). If you're in the OKC area try Overall Ford in Jones (stay away
from Autocollection, John Vance, Joe Cooper, and Diffee). If you're around
Lawton the Ford place there used to be good (I knew them when it was Howard
Smith; it's Billingsley now), also try Malone Motor Company in Fletcher or
Lindsay Ford in Lindsay (of course). The 3.73:1 rear end is only available
with an automatic and the 5.4L engine. Oh, have you ever been to eastern
Oklahoma? It's not exactly flat, a lot like PA.


>From: Ccdolf aol.com
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - question
>Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:36:38 EDT
>
>i am trading my truck in probably in august for an f-150 5.4 v-8 i want
>the 3.73 axle supercab, most like;y 4x2. i currently have 98 f-150 4.2
>5
>spd 3.55 axle reg cab
>i'm from pennsylvania, in oklahoma in the military. i want to get the v-8
>so i can tow a boat or whatever else may come my way. with oklahoma being
>flat as paper, and i usually go back home often, i'm unsure whether to get
>a
>manual tranny or auto. i won't be towing anything extremely heavy, but i
>want the option to be able to tow somewhat large loads. what tranny or
>engine should i get? the manual will be closer to my budget, but if i
>can't
>get it in the 5.4, then i may settle for the 4.6. i just want to get
>opinions or recommendations as to what would be best for my applications.
>the v-6 works good now in the prairies, but back in pennsylvania, i don't
>think it will tow as well.
>
>a guy i work with tells me that a manual tranny will tow more than an auto,
>and i've been told the opposite. what is the truth?? i need to know
>before
>i make any purchases. the dealer is going to obviously lead me toward the
>more expensive options, but if i know in advance, it will be all the
>greater.
>
>any help i can get would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Bill
>98 f-150 4.2 5 spd 3.55 axle
>"HUSKY" tool box bolted to the bed
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:55:25 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue

Ha!! Call Ford's so called customer assistance center! Their standard answer
is, "You'll just have to work it out with the dealer." Customer assistance
my butt.


>From: "Union Auto"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue
>Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:51:02 -0500
>
>If you call Ford they should put pressure on the dealer to do it, or find
>you a dealer who is willing to do it.
>
>Nathan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Todd Styles
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 1:12 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty TSB issue
>
>
> > My local dealer is refusing to do the TSB 99-6-4 (new airbox). I
>contacted
> > Ford's CAC and they basically said all they can do is document by
>concern.
> > Any ideas on how to get this handled? Thanks, Todd. '99 F250 SD,SC,PSD
> > 6-speed.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:57:36 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wastegate Behavior

Superchips, Hypertech, and Gale Banks Engineering (diesel only).


>From: "Union Auto"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wastegate Behavior
>Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:48:54 -0500
>
>This is due to the speed limiter. If anyone has found a company with a
>computer chip that eliminates it on a Super Duty (V-10 or Diesel) let me
>know.
>
>Nathan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Scott Matus
>To:
>Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 5:23 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Wastegate Behavior
>
>
> > Anyone observe the wastgate dumpiing at approx 27-2800 rpm on a PSD. I
>was
> > pushing my foot into my truch the other day and it dropped the pressure
>from
> > 17-18 psi down to 8-10 psi at 2700 rpms. I was at approx 90-92 mph at
>the
> > time. Is this Fords way of protecting the engine? But redline is at
>3300
> > RPM. Does the wastegate dump because of the speed I was traveling? Or
>does
> > it dump at any speed at 2700 rpms in any gear(I have a 6-speed)?
> >
> > Don't go out an break any laws to test this. Just if you are daring
>like
> > me(some stupidity i'll admit to).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Scott
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:09:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: djermain webtv.net (Darrell Jermain)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question

I have to second the motion to stay away from Fred Jones Auto
Collection. They make the "no haggle" price seem like such a great
deal, but it's really not. They were $1500 higher than Reynold's Ford
(Norman). So, I had to go with Reynolds. I am paying about $200 over
invoice for my truck at Reynold's. They basically came down off the
sticker price by nearly $3300.

I'm not sure where you are located, but I'm stationed at Altus AFB and I
strongly advise you stay away from anything with the "Wilmes" name on
it. They don't deal because they don't have to. There are just too
many locals who are willing to pay sticker price, so they just reap the
profits from them and don't deal to anyone who has a clue.

I'm leaving in about an hour to pick up my 99 F-150 Supercab sport 5.4L.
Go and drive all the different engines. I drove the 4.6L and it felt
OK, but the 5.4L is like night and day. Soooo much more power! Good
Luck

Darrell Jermain
BLK90LX
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:44:36 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question

I am near OKC. As an aside, Consumer Reports always recommends learning the
invoice price and bargaining up from there rather than down from the sticker
(it gives you somewhat of an advantage). The '99 5.4L should be much more
impressive than than the earlier versions of that engine, now if Ford would
only put the Lincoln version in the pickups!


>From: djermain webtv.net (Darrell Jermain)
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question
>Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:09:36 -0500 (CDT)
>
>I have to second the motion to stay away from Fred Jones Auto
>Collection. They make the "no haggle" price seem like such a great
>deal, but it's really not. They were $1500 higher than Reynold's Ford
>(Norman). So, I had to go with Reynolds. I am paying about $200 over
>invoice for my truck at Reynold's. They basically came down off the
>sticker price by nearly $3300.
>
>I'm not sure where you are located, but I'm stationed at Altus AFB and I
>strongly advise you stay away from anything with the "Wilmes" name on
>it. They don't deal because they don't have to. There are just too
>many locals who are willing to pay sticker price, so they just reap the
>profits from them and don't deal to anyone who has a clue.
>
>I'm leaving in about an hour to pick up my 99 F-150 Supercab sport 5.4L.
>Go and drive all the different engines. I drove the 4.6L and it felt
>OK, but the 5.4L is like night and day. Soooo much more power! Good
>Luck
>
>Darrell Jermain
>BLK90LX
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:49:04 -0700
From: denton sprague
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question

I used to work a summer at a lake resort as a boat dock attendant, the guys that
were up there a lot, with their fishing boats and rigs, used automatic trannys...

To them, it was a lot easier to ease to boat/trailer in and out of the water with
an automatic. They also usually had a second hitch attached to the frame in the
front of their rigs...so they could see what the boat trailer was doing.

Ccdolf aol.com wrote:

> i am trading my truck in probably in august for an f-150 5.4 v-8 i want
> the 3.73 axle supercab, most like;y 4x2. i currently have 98 f-150 4.2 5
> spd 3.55 axle reg cab
> i'm from pennsylvania, in oklahoma in the military. i want to get the v-8
> so i can tow a boat or whatever else may come my way. with oklahoma being
> flat as paper, and i usually go back home often, i'm unsure whether to get a
> manual tranny or auto. i won't be towing anything extremely heavy, but i
> want the option to be able to tow somewhat large loads. what tranny or
> engine should i get? the manual will be closer to my budget, but if i can't
> get it in the 5.4, then i may settle for the 4.6. i just want to get
> opinions or recommendations as to what would be best for my applications.
> the v-6 works good now in the prairies, but back in pennsylvania, i don't
> think it will tow as well.
>
> a guy i work with tells me that a manual tranny will tow more than an auto,
> and i've been told the opposite. what is the truth?? i need to know before
> i make any purchases. the dealer is going to obviously lead me toward the
> more expensive options, but if i know in advance, it will be all the greater.
>
> any help i can get would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Bill
> 98 f-150 4.2 5 spd 3.55 axle
> "HUSKY" tool box bolted to the bed
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:31:02 +1000
From: "John ZaBelle"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck

This is my first post here in quite some time, so bear with me. I belonged
to the 61-79 list a couple of years ago when I had a 1967 F-100. I'm glad
to see that ken was nice enough to leave my truck on in the pictorial
section (it's the blue shortbed), Thanks Ken!
I had to part with it about 6 months ago, when Uncle Sam decided that I was
needed in Guam.
Well, I finally found a decent ISP here on "the rock", and I miss my truck
so much that I just ordered a 2000 F-250 SD 4x2.
I'm being told that I'll get it in November due to build date and long
shipping time.
I ordered it with the Lariat package, V-10, auto, 3.73 LS, towing package,
class IV receiver and trailer mirrors.
I'm having trouble with the color though. Does anyone have a picture of the
"Harvest Gold metallic"? I would have liked the Prairie Tan, but it is
being discontinued in 2000.
Anyhow, I'm glad I found the list again. Every time I get the digest, it's
almost like being back home.
By the way Ken, the web site has really taken off, it looks better than
ever!

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 02:00:51 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck

John,

I saw an F-150 yesterday in a new color, one I hadn't seen before. It was
definately a gold, however I do not know if it's the harvest gold to which
you refer. It was quite sharp. High yellow content in the gold,
apparently. They already had a matching fiberglass bed cover on it.

I'm more of a black or white man, myself... my '99 F-150 Flareside is white.
It stays nice and clean for at least a few days after washing, and white
goes good with anything, especially chrome (wheels) and black (tonneau). A
gold shouldn't show dirt too bad either, however accessories may be more
difficult to match.

You probably couldn't make a BAD choice... after all, it's a Ford
underneath, no matter the color. Well, except for that magenta color of a
few years ago. I'd like to forget about that...

Mark

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John ZaBelle
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 12:31 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re-introduction, just ordered new truck


This is my first post here in quite some time, so bear with me. I belonged
to the 61-79 list a couple of years ago when I had a 1967 F-100. I'm glad
to see that ken was nice enough to leave my truck on in the pictorial
section (it's the blue shortbed), Thanks Ken!
I had to part with it about 6 months ago, when Uncle Sam decided that I was
needed in Guam.
Well, I finally found a decent ISP here on "the rock", and I miss my truck....


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