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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Winch on SuperDuty?
RE: FTE 97up - 60 mph Superduty rumble
FTE 97up - Re: Winch on SuperDuty?
RE: FTE 97up - 4x4,s and 4x2's
FTE 97up - Fuel Differences
FTE 97up - K&N for V10
RE: FTE 97up - 4x4,s and 4x2's
Re: FTE 97up - K&N for V10
FTE 97up - Requesting Rescue Rid Ideas: 99 F350 SD DRW 4x4 (W33)
FTE 97up - Transmission Hunt in OD
FTE 97up - retreiving coins from center console
Re: FTE 97up - Speed Dependent Wipers
RE: FTE 97up - 4x4,s and 4x2's -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - DRW vs. SRW
Re: FTE 97up - DRW vs. SRW
Re: FTE 97up - K&N for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Requesting Rescue Rid Ideas: 99 F350 SD DRW 4x4 (W33)
FTE 97up - Invoice vs Retail
FTE 97up - Brakes
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Hunt in OD
FTE 97up - re: brakes
Re: FTE 97up - Invoice vs Retail
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Hunt in OD
FTE 97up - manual vs. automatic
Re: FTE 97up - manual vs. automatic

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:12:05 -0400
From: davesomers
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Winch on SuperDuty?

>
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:58:30 -0500
>From: "Kenneth L. Collier Jr."
>Subject: FTE 97up - Winch on SuperDuty?
>
>I was wondering if anyone has a winch on their Super Duty truck?
>[davesomers]
>Ken,
>I too am will be putting at least one winch on my truck. I would start by
>adding the heavy front springs (either in hvy svc susp or plow package)
>just because the description in the factory book says they should be there
>for trucks with winches. Right now, my F350DRW CC PSD is still empty and I
>don't notice the front springs at all (but that could be because the rear
>is jumping all over the place. I'll fix that by adding 2500# of cargo
>soon)
>I was looking for something different than the factory bumper, so I didn't
>look too hard at the Warn model you mention (Semi Hidden?). I like the
>"Classic" that I have on my Suburban, but (as of March) they weren't
>advertising it as compatible with 99 PSD. Take a look at RanchHand
> (www.ranchhand.com) and Reunel (www.reunel.com) bumpers too. These are
>some SOLID pieces. Very nice build quality (I saw lots of them in Texas)
>with price to match. Both claim to be compatible with the PSD's air intake
>needs. Reunel also makes a rear winch bumper, but they never return my
>phone calls when I want more info than the brochure provided.
>I think I'm going with a rear mount for a XD9000i first because I need it
>to pull stuff into the trailer too (and that's the winch I have available -
>spent too much on the truck can't afford a winch too.) I bought w/o rear
>bumper so I have to get something there soon. The 9000 is overkill for
>trailer (could be 3000) but it may help with minor stucks on the truck too.
> Hope to add a big one up front later for really unsticking the truck.
> When 16000# (6 truck wheels and 4 trailer wheels) are stuck you start
>wishing you owned a Tank Retriever.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:28:27 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 60 mph Superduty rumble

Vaughn,


Could you do me a favor? Take a look under your truck. First, kook at
the driveshaft at the top side where it mates with the transfer case. I
am interested in whether or not it has a single or double Cardan joint (U
joint). If you do not know what a double one looks like, it is kind of
like a standard U joint split in half with an extra joint in the middle.
The rear of the driveshaft is a single.
The second thing is measure your blocks between the rear axle and the leaf
springs. Measure both the front and back sides. It should either be a
flat block which will be 3 5/8" or an angled block that will be 3 5/8" x 3
7/8", please note which measurement is to front and back.

The reason is that I have found a few TSBs talking about the rumble that I
am experiencing. It looks like there was some goof ups as to which blocks
are supposd to be installed (flat or angled) and which way the taper is
supposed to be.

Thanks,


Mike

PS. any lift and tires yet?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Vaughn (VDB) [mailto:wolf enter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 8:49 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 60 mph Superduty rumble


Hi Mike,
Mine is smooth as silk......
No rumble at all.
Was yours doing this before your lift and
wheels/tires??

Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB 4X4 5.4



For all of you Superduty owners...... How many of you are
experiencing a "rumble" at around 60 mph? My truck has been
doing this for a while and I an curious how many others are
noticing this?


Mike Strukel

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:37:32 -0500
From: "Kenneth L. Collier Jr."
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Winch on SuperDuty?

Freddy,

No I do not have a 2000 model. I am anxiously awaiting their arrival as are you.
Sorry if my post led you to believe otherwise.

klc


> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:16:21 -0400
> From: "Freddy"
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Winch on SuperDuty?
>
> Hey You have a 2000 model?
>
> If so does it look any different than the 1999 250 model? And have you
> had any transmision noises or differential problems?
>
> I really want to get a 2000 250 when it is available in my area!
>
> If you have picture that would be great!
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kenneth L. Collier Jr.
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:58 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Winch on SuperDuty?
>
> > I was wondering if anyone has a winch on their Super Duty truck? Any
> > remarks or suggestions? I've been considering putting a winch on my
> > 2000 model truck when I decide to buy it. I'm particularly interested
> > in the 12000lb. model from Warn. They also sell a kit that extends the
> > bumper four inches and conceals the winch beneath it. Anyone know
> > anything about this particular set-up? I've got a Warn winch that has
> > been on my 1980 CJ-7 since new, and it still works great. Do you think
> > the heavier front springs are needed if the engine is the PSD? Any
> > insight would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kenneth
> >
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:17:30 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4x4,s and 4x2's

> Ccdolf aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Whatever you do, don't get the automatic hubs. A friend of mine who is a
> mechanic at a local Ford dealership told me that the automatic hubs are
> designed
> to be engaged only 15 times before they fall apart. These automatic hubs
> are
> also used on Ford's "Explorer" which he and other Ford mechanics refer to
> as the
> "Exploder," because of their weak construction.
>
>
I am not a fan of auto hubs, but in looking at my 97 F-150 front end, it
doesn't look like there
are any hubs at all! It appears that the front axle assembly is always
turning. I am not crazy
about this set-up, and always criticized the Dodge front ends for this. (you
can see the
u-joints and axle always turning on a Dodge 4x4). The Fords are a bit better
in that at least
the entire housing is protected by a boot.

So, although the setup involves a compromise, you really can't say the hubs
are a weak point.
They are as strong as you can possibly have them, they are a permanent
assembly. At least
on a SLA F-150 application. The downside is that with this setup, if
something breaks it will
probably be an axle. With a manual/auto hub setup, the hub (which is the
least expensive part)
would be sacrificed. The other downside is the added drag of a constantly
turning axle.

Steve D'Amelio
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:28:11 PDT
From: Scott Matus
Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel Differences

I filled up with fuel at a station that does not sell a large volume of
diesel. I have a pyrometer on my PSD. I noticed that this fill- up that
the exhaust tempature is 50 to 75 degrees higher than with the fuel I buy at
a higher volume station.

Can anyone explain why the Exh. Temp. is higher, with the same driving
conditions and roadway? Does this have to do with the Cetane rating of the
diesel? The stations that I frquent do not list the cetane rating of the
fuel. But every gas pump lists the octane ratings. Is this another
enviromental federal law for gas only? Why is the Cetane rating not listed
for diesel. I don't buy the generalities like "passenger vehicle diesel" or
premium diesel. I want a quantitative measure. How does one really know
what grade/Cetane of diesel is buying.

Thanks much, Scott in Colorado


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:31:33 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N for V10

Has anyone put a K&N on their V10 yet? Either just the element or the
FIPK?


Mike Strukel
99 F250 SD SC 4x4 V10 2" Superlift 35x12.50 BFG Mud terrains
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:35:56 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4x4,s and 4x2's

The new auto hubs are definately different and better than the old ones.
My experience with the old ones was bad

90 Ranger - 4 sets of hubs
92 F150 - 2 sets of hubs
94 f150 - 3 sets of hubs

If the new design is similar to the Dodge design, I am all for that. My 96
Dodge never had a problem with the hubs or any other portion of the 4x4
system (transfer case, etc)

Ford was definately thinking when the put auto hubs with manual overrides on
the Superduties.
That is the best of both worlds.


Mike Strukel

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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:18 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4x4,s and 4x2's





> Ccdolf aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Whatever you do, don't get the automatic hubs. A friend of mine who is a
> mechanic at a local Ford dealership told me that the automatic hubs are
> designed
> to be engaged only 15 times before they fall apart. These automatic hubs
> are
> also used on Ford's "Explorer" which he and other Ford mechanics refer to
> as the
> "Exploder," because of their weak construction.
>
>
I am not a fan of auto hubs, but in looking at my 97 F-150 front end, it
doesn't look like there
are any hubs at all! It appears that the front axle assembly is always
turning. I am not crazy
about this set-up, and always criticized the Dodge front ends for this. (you
can see the
u-joints and axle always turning on a Dodge 4x4). The Fords are a bit better
in that at least
the entire housing is protected by a boot.

So, although the setup involves a compromise, you really can't say the hubs
are a weak point.
They are as strong as you can possibly have them, they are a permanent
assembly. At least
on a SLA F-150 application. The downside is that with this setup, if
something breaks it will
probably be an axle. With a manual/auto hub setup, the hub (which is the
least expensive part)
would be sacrificed. The other downside is the added drag of a constantly
turning axle.

Steve D'Amelio
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N for V10

They do not make a FIPT for the V10. It sounded like
they're not planning to. I ended up getting just the
element.

Keith P
99 F250 SD XLT SC LWB V10 4.30

- --- "Strukel, Mike"
wrote:
> Has anyone put a K&N on their V10 yet? Either
> just the element or the
> FIPK?
>
>
> Mike Strukel
> 99 F250 SD SC 4x4 V10 2" Superlift 35x12.50 BFG Mud
> terrains
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:06:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: spere
Subject: FTE 97up - Requesting Rescue Rid Ideas: 99 F350 SD DRW 4x4 (W33)

The Rig:
99 F350 Superduty
Dual Real Wheel
Crew Cab
4x4
7.3L diesel

The rig is a primary response vehicle that will be used on and off road
for transportation of personnel and equipment.

the request:
While I am very qualified with rope, when it comes to leaf springs my
knowledge is lacking. The specific area that I would appreciate comments
is in the area of suspension. The rig needs to be adjustable with regard
to ride and height. The rig should be near factory height on the road and
be able to be raised on the fly for off road clearance. Lateral (roll)
stability should remain as high as is reasonable. Currently we are looking
at pneumatic and hydolic options (in general). Specific system
recomendation (especially those with 1st hand experience) would be greatly
appreciated.

Regards,
Scott P. Smith
Paramedic, FTO

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:23:12 -0400
From: "Michael R. Burlingham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Transmission Hunt in OD

1999 F350 SD PSD Automatic 3.73 DRW 23,000 milels

I have the hunting for OD as well. It seem as though the computer can't
make up it's mind. Mine also seems to drop out of OD to early when you add
a little power. After having problems with the old C6 in my '88 F250 diesel
I've got the jitters.



From: Joseph Veres
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:24 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Bad news

> Hi Y'all -
>
> I purchased a 99 PSD 250 XLT with auto tranny, 3.73 ratio - delivered in
> the end of December. I love the truck - but, I took it in to the dealer
> (Cal Worthington, Anchorage, Alaska), at 3,400 miles for the oil change
> and a list of concerns.
>
> One of my concerns was that when I would accelerate slowly, when it
> would make it's last shift change at about 45 mph (when in OD), the
> tranny seemed to have to "search" to shift into the final gear. It
> wasn't a real obvious problem, in fact just barely noticable.
>
> When I called the dealer this morning to find out what they found out, I
> was advised that when the transmission man took out the truck for a test
> run, the tranny "crapped out" on him and they had to tow the truck back
> to the dealer!
>
> Man, what a shock - and disappointment, but at least it happened when
> they were testing it, and not when I was towing my boat over one of our
> passes to the ocean!
>
> Anyway, they were tearing it down when I talked to them, and as yet, no
> one has any idea as to what the problem might be.
>
> Nathan - or anyone else - any ideas. I haven't even towed anything with
> it yet. Seems awlfully early to have a problem - is this a sign of
> things to come with this tranny? I've never had a automatic before -
> always a stick, because I never trusted autos - old fashioned I guess -
> or maybe not! Gary
>


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Foye
Subject: FTE 97up - retreiving coins from center console

I have a 97, old body style, with the 40/40/20 seats
and the center fold down console has the roll away for
covering up the cup holders. Anyway, somehow a couple
of coins have ended up inside the bottom of the roll
away and now I can hear them when I close and open it
and even sometimes it'll open up crooked.
I've looked to see if there is some way to disassemble
the storage comparment but, can not find any means by
which to take anything apart and I don't want to start
prying on things in fear of breaking something.
Does anybody know how to retrieve the coins out of
there? Not that I need them to make my next truck
payment or anything, it's just annoying.

Chris
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:18:11 -0700
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speed Dependent Wipers

>I have a 99 F150 XLT and have not been able to activate/deactivate the
>speed dependent feature for the intermittent wipers. I've followed the
>instructions in the owner's manual with no luck. Has there been an update
>to the instructions, or can someone tell me if they've successfully done
>this, and how they did it.

I tried the same thing on my F-250, and was told by a dealer service person
that the instructions were bogus. The feature could be turned and off by
them by hooking up a computer to the GEM module, and enabling or disabling
the feature.

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:19:36 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 4x4,s and 4x2's -Reply

ford F-150's have a axle disconnect not hubs. The front axles always turn it is just that one of the axles is split into
two halves with an engagment mechanism which locks together when you put it in four wheel drive. New jeeps are
this way also. I personally think this system sucks. Warn makes a kit for Jeep dana model 30 front ends (wrangler,
cherokee and grand cherokee) which replaces the axle disconnect with solid high strength alloy axles and manual
hubs. Perhaps a similar kit could be developed for the new Ford and Dodge trucks as well. You might lose the ESOF
capability but strength and relibility would be better is my guess.

F-250 trucks with ESOF have autolocking hubs with a manual override. I have heard only one bad thing about these
from a guy who claimed to work driving a snowplow during the winter with the highway dept. He said a bunch of
the new F-250 SD trucks with auto hubs got broken early on. The problem identified was that drivers would be
plowing in 2WD and the rear tires would begin to slip. the driver would then turn the ESOF switch without stopping.
The t-case shifts first on this system and the hubs engage next. Well when the rear tires are spinning and the
t-case engages the front axles begin to spin. The auto hubs then engage a spinning axle shaft with a stationary
front wheel and the hub would break when trying to engage the stationary wheel. I do not think this says anything
about the quality of the hubs on SD trucks as much as it does about the drivers who were abusing their truck. My
own method is to use the ESOF for minor annoyances like a slippery road, snow or minor stuck situations. If I am
going to do any serious wheeling I manually lock the hubs and use the ESOF to engage 4WD only when the tires are
moving at the same speed. I actually think the manual hubs and auto hubs are very similar in strength when engaged
it is just easier to abuse the auto hubs so they break more often.

the moral of the story is that ESOF has its limitations and these limitations make it easy to break something if you are
not thinking before acting. The up side is that ESOF can be useful and doesnt necessarily sacrifice strength as is the
case in the SD trucks.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:29:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: ashok bala
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - DRW vs. SRW

I have a 99 F350 Lariat DRW, and it is great...It is not that hard to
park (just take up 2 spots!), but there is a problem at times when you
want to go through narrow driveways (forget drive-thrus)

the Truck is extremely stable like a sports car almost! and it would be
great for towing..the diesel engine is great, and if you need more
power you can always increase the boost..

ashok


- --- Terry Hutton wrote:
> I'm on the verge of ordering a 2000 F-350 and have
> nailed down all the pieces except the rear axle. I
> plan to get a Lariat PSD/CC/LWB.
>
> My wife and I plan to put a self-contained
> (toilet/shower) camper on it, so load capacity is an
> issue. It's also possible down the road that the
> desire for adventure will give way to the need for
> comfort and the camper will give way to a 5th wheel.
>
> A DRW would add some of the load carrying capacity
> lost by getting a Crew Cab, would provide added
> stability in windy conditions and would, of course,
> add a measure of safety if a rear tire blew out.
>
> The obvious disadvantage is the added width of the
> vehicle. That added to the length of a CC/LWB will
> not
> make parking more enjoyable. Also, having recently
> towed a 25' Mighty Mover trailer behind a friend's
> dually from San Diego to Denver and back, I know
> first
> hand that staying in your own lane requires a little
> more attentiveness than driving an SRW (BTW:
> crawling
> up some of those passes at 25 mph with the small
> block
> V-8 sold me on the PSD). On the plus side, other
> than
> having to be careful not to stray out of my lane and
> having to be cognizant of the extra body width when
> backing up, it wasn't much different than driving an
> SRW.
>
> I also assume the money spent on tires over time
> will
> be somewhat greater on a DRW and gas mileage might
> be
> somewhat less, probably fairly minor negatives but,
> again, these are just assumptions on my part.
>
> This decision wouldn't be so important for someone
> who
> trades up every few years. However, our approach has
> been to keep our vehicles as long as they're
> serviceable and I'd expect a well-maintained 350 PSD
> to easily last 10-15 years. It we aren't happy with
> the choice, we're more likely to live with it than
> to
> throw $5k-$10k out the window by trading it in a
> year
> later, so getting it right the first time would be
> nice.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments--from those of you who
> know--on the advantages and disadvantages of DRWs.
>
> Terry
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: ashok bala
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - DRW vs. SRW

I have a 99 F350 Lariat DRW, and it is great...It is not that hard to
park (just take up 2 spots!), but there is a problem at times when you
want to go through narrow driveways (forget drive-thrus)

the Truck is extremely stable like a sports car almost! and it would be
great for towing..the diesel engine is great, and if you need more
power you can always increase the boost..

ashok


- --- Terry Hutton wrote:
> I'm on the verge of ordering a 2000 F-350 and have
> nailed down all the pieces except the rear axle. I
> plan to get a Lariat PSD/CC/LWB.
>
> My wife and I plan to put a self-contained
> (toilet/shower) camper on it, so load capacity is an
> issue. It's also possible down the road that the
> desire for adventure will give way to the need for
> comfort and the camper will give way to a 5th wheel.
>
> A DRW would add some of the load carrying capacity
> lost by getting a Crew Cab, would provide added
> stability in windy conditions and would, of course,
> add a measure of safety if a rear tire blew out.
>
> The obvious disadvantage is the added width of the
> vehicle. That added to the length of a CC/LWB will
> not
> make parking more enjoyable. Also, having recently
> towed a 25' Mighty Mover trailer behind a friend's
> dually from San Diego to Denver and back, I know
> first
> hand that staying in your own lane requires a little
> more attentiveness than driving an SRW (BTW:
> crawling
> up some of those passes at 25 mph with the small
> block
> V-8 sold me on the PSD). On the plus side, other
> than
> having to be careful not to stray out of my lane and
> having to be cognizant of the extra body width when
> backing up, it wasn't much different than driving an
> SRW.
>
> I also assume the money spent on tires over time
> will
> be somewhat greater on a DRW and gas mileage might
> be
> somewhat less, probably fairly minor negatives but,
> again, these are just assumptions on my part.
>
> This decision wouldn't be so important for someone
> who
> trades up every few years. However, our approach has
> been to keep our vehicles as long as they're
> serviceable and I'd expect a well-maintained 350 PSD
> to easily last 10-15 years. It we aren't happy with
> the choice, we're more likely to live with it than
> to
> throw $5k-$10k out the window by trading it in a
> year
> later, so getting it right the first time would be
> nice.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments--from those of you who
> know--on the advantages and disadvantages of DRWs.
>
> Terry
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:14:42 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N for V10

I believe Stillen is making an intake kit for the V-10 which contains a K&N
filter.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Privratsky
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N for V10


>They do not make a FIPT for the V10. It sounded like
>they're not planning to. I ended up getting just the
>element.
>
>Keith P
>99 F250 SD XLT SC LWB V10 4.30
>
>--- "Strukel, Mike"
>wrote:
>> Has anyone put a K&N on their V10 yet? Either
>> just the element or the
>> FIPK?
>>
>>
>> Mike Strukel
>> 99 F250 SD SC 4x4 V10 2" Superlift 35x12.50 BFG Mud
>> terrains
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:26:17 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Requesting Rescue Rid Ideas: 99 F350 SD DRW 4x4 (W33)

The first thing that you are going to need to look at is the front leaf
springs. There are only two leaves. Depending on the equipment (winch,
etc.) you are going to put on this thing and the substantial weight of the
diesel engine, you are probably goint to want to add aftermarket springs to
the front to accomplish:

1. Leveling the vehicle (no doubt it now rides higher in the rear), and

2. The additional leaves in the aftermarket set (typically 5 or 6 leaves on
each side) will help in maintaining the front end height
after long-term use and heavy options (e.g., winch).

3. The additional front springs will come with extensions for sway-bar,
pitman arm, track-bar, etc., and longer shock absorbers. These elements
will provide a good foundation and increased articulation to any "lift"
mechanism (air-bags, hydaulic frame lifts, etc.)..

4. Good Luck! Post a picture when you are done.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: spere
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:17 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Requesting Rescue Rid Ideas: 99 F350 SD DRW 4x4 (W33)


>
>The Rig:
> 99 F350 Superduty
> Dual Real Wheel
> Crew Cab
> 4x4
> 7.3L diesel
>
>The rig is a primary response vehicle that will be used on and off road
>for transportation of personnel and equipment.
>
>the request:
>While I am very qualified with rope, when it comes to leaf springs my
>knowledge is lacking. The specific area that I would appreciate comments
>is in the area of suspension. The rig needs to be adjustable with regard
>to ride and height. The rig should be near factory height on the road and
>be able to be raised on the fly for off road clearance. Lateral (roll)
>stability should remain as high as is reasonable. Currently we are looking
>at pneumatic and hydolic options (in general). Specific system
>recomendation (especially those with 1st hand experience) would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>Scott P. Smith
> Paramedic, FTO
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:22:55 -0400
From: Brian Grande
Subject: FTE 97up - Invoice vs Retail

Hey y'all,

The F-series 2000 model year prices are out on the internet! This is a
classic case of how the internet is changing everyone's business, I couldn't
find this information at the library.

http:\www.

I'm looking to tow a fifth-wheel with a F550. With options, the difference
between Invoice/base price and Retail price $5058. Knowing this, can I
expect to order one at invoice? Is it safe to assume the Ford Dealer is
still making their 25% on it (so there wouldn't have to be a battle!).

I've also heard there are web sites where you can make an offer, and dealers
monitor it and decide if they'll accept your price. Has anyone ever done
that?

Thanks, Brian
Orlando, FL



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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:07:09 -0400
From: Janine Franco and Paul Litow
Subject: FTE 97up - Brakes

Hey,

Caught the messages posted by Mark Beauchemin and Scott Evanson
regarding anti-lock brakes. I have a '97 F250 HD that also has
less-than-impressive stopping power. It really gets bad when the brakes
first get wet driving in the rain until I stop once or twice and then,
even though I keep driving in the rain/very wet pavement, braking
capability is what I would call "normal" for the truck. But man, I have
had some close ones when those brakes first get wet... Do you guys run
into the same problem?

Since we are on the subject of brakes, the left rear brake squeals for
the first few stops after the truck has sat overnight. This has been
going on since it was new; I have heard that this is common in the '97
F250's and that there is a fix out there. True or false?

Thanks, Paul Litow

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:13:16 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Hunt in OD

In a message dated 6/17/99 11:31:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mrburlingham voyager.net writes:


got me thinking mine like to hunt also.

RS
9sec93cobra
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

Date: 6/17/99 11:31:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: mrburlingham voyager.net (Michael R. Burlingham)
Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
Reply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com

1999 F350 SD PSD Automatic 3.73 DRW 23,000 milels

I have the hunting for OD as well. It seem as though the computer can't
make up it's mind. Mine also seems to drop out of OD to early when you add
a little power. After having problems with the old C6 in my '88 F250 diesel
I've got the jitters.
>>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:52:47 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 97up - re: brakes

Marc Beauchemin wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I've got a 1998 F250LD 4x4 S/C SB XLT 5.4l with Rear-Anti
> Lock breaks.
> Seems every time I have to make an emergency stop, which
> fortunately is not too often, I am not impressed with the
> breaking ablilty of my truck. It is virtually impossible
> to make the front tires squeal, let alone lock them up.
> Combined with the rear anti-lock kicking in with
> even moderate breaking makes it tough to stop in an
> emergency. At first I thought the I had the wrong vacuum
> booster but I checked it out and it says F250 on it.
>
> The dealer says all ford trucks are like this. I know Ford
> doesn't rate as well as others in this area with the Ralph
> Nader types but I'm hoping there's something wrong with
> mine that can be fixed. I love everything else about this
> truck (ok, well almost everything), but I dread the day
> I'll have her loaded up to 7700lbs w/camper & boat etc and
> have to lay rubber to stop.
>
> Any one else have this problem?
>
> Also, does anyone know if the rear anti-lock breaks are
> adjustable?
How many miles do you have on it? I was very disappointed with the brakes on
my '98 F150 when it was new, but after a thousand miles or so, they got a
lot better. I'm still not crazy about the pedal feel, but I read somewhere
that was addressed in '99 by going to the F250 booster.


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:39:08 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Invoice vs Retail

Priced my F150 out with a guide last year and was able to buy it at around
$49 below invoice after I did some shopping among dealers (don't forget,
dealers get incentives and "holdbacks" from the manufacturers).


>From: Brian Grande
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Invoice vs Retail
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:22:55 -0400
>
>Hey y'all,
>
>The F-series 2000 model year prices are out on the internet! This is a
>classic case of how the internet is changing everyone's business, I
>couldn't
>find this information at the library.
>
>http:\www.
>
>I'm looking to tow a fifth-wheel with a F550. With options, the difference
>between Invoice/base price and Retail price $5058. Knowing this, can I
>expect to order one at invoice? Is it safe to assume the Ford Dealer is
>still making their 25% on it (so there wouldn't have to be a battle!).
>
>I've also heard there are web sites where you can make an offer, and
>dealers
>monitor it and decide if they'll accept your price. Has anyone ever done
>that?
>
>Thanks, Brian
>Orlando, FL
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:45:06 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Hunt in OD

It is my understanding on an overdrive transmission you shouldn't have it in
overdrive when driving at less than highway speeds. Otherwise it will hunt
and all of the slipping back and forth will create extra heat and lead to
the early demise of your transmission. Keep it locked out of overdrive
around town and towing.


>From: RSnovi aol.com
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission Hunt in OD
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:13:16 EDT
>
>In a message dated 6/17/99 11:31:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>mrburlingham voyager.net writes:
>
>
>got me thinking mine like to hunt also.
>
>RS
>9sec93cobra
>99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4
>
> Date: 6/17/99 11:31:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: mrburlingham voyager.net (Michael R. Burlingham)
> Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Reply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>
> 1999 F350 SD PSD Automatic 3.73 DRW 23,000 milels
>
> I have the hunting for OD as well. It seem as though the computer can't
> make up it's mind. Mine also seems to drop out of OD to early when you
>add
> a little power. After having problems with the old C6 in my '88 F250
>diesel
> I've got the jitters.
> >>
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 01:12:42 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - manual vs. automatic

Ok, i'm real confused here. i've been told that a manual tranny will tow and
haul more than an automatic, and i've been told just the opposite. what is
the truth? does anyone know? i would really appreciate any information
anyone could give me.

i plan to trade my 98 f-150 in for a 99 f-150 5.4 3.73 axle not sure of....


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