97up-list-digest Wednesday, July 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 152



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Cat removal on 99 Superduty???
Re: FTE 97up - New order?
FTE 97up - Super Duty Lowering
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty F 350 Height Concern
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150
FTE 97up - Hi Lift Jack Missile
Re: FTE 97up - Hi Lift Jack Missile
RE: FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350
FTE 97up - Re: 1999 Super Duty
FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions
Re: FTE 97up - Hi Lift Jack Missile
Re: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions
Re: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions
Re: FTE 97up - ExtraCare vs PremiumCare Warranties
Re: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions
Re: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions
FTE 97up - 6.0L chevy
Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working
Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working
Re: FTE 97up - ExtraCare vs PremiumCare Warranties
FTE 97up - slide in tow mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working
FTE 97up - Intro from a Truck Owner.... lil long

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:04:43 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat removal on 99 Superduty???

Haven't seen anyone do this to a '99 yet. I've seen many of the older
(95-97) Power Strokes with the cats removed or gutted and it doesn't hurt
anything on them. It does make the engine a little louder (still fairly
quiet due to the turbo but most put on a straight pipe when they knock out
the Cat.) I don't foresee any problems with removing the cat on a 99. I
would not expect any better mileage though, due to the fact that new
catalysts flow very well and don't add a lot of back pressure.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Ruth
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:52 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Cat removal on 99 Superduty???


>I need some opinions on removing my Catalytic converter... An
>acquaintance told me he had his cat removed on his 99 superduty 7.3
>powerstroke and picked up 3 mpg. He said he contacted a local dealer on
>this and they said it was not necessary and would do no harm removing
>the factory cat. Other than emissions it has no major need o be there.
>In my state diesels are exempt from Emission inspection. Can anyone
>tell me why I should NOT do this other than being unkind to the
>earth??? How do you feel, Nathan from Union Auto??
>Thanks,
>Mike
>xplorit erols.com
>99 Superduty Lariat SC PS 4X4
>94 Explorer E.B. 4X4
>89 Bronco II XLT 4X4
>89 Merkur Scorpio
>89 Merkur XR4Ti
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:08:12 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New order?

Looks like a good order, but you'll need the rear bumper to get the hitch.
I would also price a Lariat to check, sometimes when you get a loaded XLT it
is not much more to go to Lariat.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
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From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 8:39 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - New order?


>I planning on ordering a 99 350 cc 4X4 PS srw in the next two weeks, I've
>been monitoring this group and the Jason postings. What I've come up with
>is the Auto, limited slip 3.73, trailer towing, camper package, skid
>plates, ABS brakes, manual 4X4, pass airbag,captian chairs, mat instead of
>rug, xlt and the xlt package, door locks, privacy glass, sliding rear
>window, electric towing mirrors, receiver hitch, no rear bumper, spare,
>standard tires,cab steps, cd player, and probably the PTO, white/bluedenim.
>Other than the color any see any problems hiding or useful things I;ve
>missed? Platium warranty from Warranty gold for 6/100,000.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:20:36 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Lowering

Just got off the phone with Ford and the Lowering instructions are
available. They are supposed to fax them to me sometime this morning. I'll
post what they consist of.

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:54:30 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty F 350 Height Concern

My fax arrived! For starters you can go to your dealer and this will be
covered under warranty. They can get the instructions from the QSF Fax
hotline. It is document REN 98-006. Here's a brief overview of what it
says:

SERVICE RESOLUTION

Rear ride height can be reduced on 4x4 F-250/350 Super Duty vehicles for 5th
wheel trailer applications by removing the 4x4 axle spacer block and
installing a 4x2 rear suspension and brake hardware. Note: After removal of
the 4x4 axle spacer the vehicle will tilt toward the rear when fully loaded.
It is recommended that vehicles used for 5th wheel towing be equipped with a
heavy service front and rear suspension option to minimize this condition.

PARTS AFFECTED

Rear axle shock absorbers
Rear axle U-bolts
Rear axle brake hose
Rear Suspension Stabilizer bar links (when applicable)

Basically the instructions just say to remove the U bolts, and spacers put
new brake hoses on and if it has a sway bar replace the links. (Easily said
but the Mech. I showed this to is not looking forward to doing it.) Also
after completion the headlights will have to be aimed.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Krieger
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 4:37 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty F 350 Height Concern


>A question for Nathen Benard - I am brand new to this list and missed any
>previous discussion on this topic. I am considering purchasing a 1999 SD F
>350 4x4, but I am concerned about the height of the bed rails not providing
>enough clearance for the 5th wheel trailer. I understand Ford has a fix
>for this problem. Can you please elaborate? What is involved? What is
>potential cost, if any. What is the delivery schedule for this fix?
>Thanks in advance.


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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:06:34 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150

Pricing probably won't be available until the trucks start arriving at
dealerships (It always has been this way but could change). As for pictures
I haven't seen anything yet, but they said the new brochures will be out
early due to the shortage of Super Duty brochures (they're going to combine
them into one brochure). About the only new news I've heard is that the
5.4L will have 260 HP and 345lb/ft of torque at only 2300 RPM.

Nathan

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From: Jack B
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working


>Welcome back Nathan! Wondered where you'd been. Got any pix's f the new
>150? What about pricing, do you know when pricing will be available?
>Jack


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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:40:51 -0500
From: But Why
Subject: FTE 97up - Hi Lift Jack Missile

Anybody have any ideas on how to bolt down a Hi Lift jack in a pick up with a topper so it
does not become a missile in a collision or roll over? I would like to secure it someplace
that we could still get to it easy enough when needed!

Thanks

JJ
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:09:44 +0000
From: "vikki"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Hi Lift Jack Missile

On 7/15/98, at 7:40 AM, But Why wrote:

>Anybody have any ideas on how to bolt down a Hi Lift jack in a pick up=
with a topper so it
>does not become a missile in a collision or roll over? I would like to=
secure it someplace
>that we could still get to it easy enough when needed!


HiYa...

just came back from Colorado.. a friend of a friend has a topper on his=
truck (Ram 2500).. he has his HiLift attached to the clamps that hold on=
the topper... drilled some holes through them... attached sum rings...=
voila!!

side note: he's in Cheyanne, was in Air Force, now reserves

cya

vikki



"Powered by Cummins.... Driven by a Dodge"

96 2500HD CC 4x4 Cummins/TST auto/3.54 and lots of stuff
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Blue-Bears.com
tori Blue-Bears.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:11:36 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-250 vs F-350

Alan Hepburn wrote:

> This is something that has intrigued me for a while; if the F250 has a
> higher capacity, then why build an F350?
>
As John said, the F350 will have a higher GVWR which means it can carry more
weight on its two axles by about 900 lbs but the 250 can tow a little more,
all other equipment being equal. Also, just because it is rated to tow more
doesn't mean the F250 will feel more stable. As someone else said, the DRW
gives you more stability and it is only available in an F350 and up.

> If I am going to buy a Crew
> Cab Duallie for towing a 12,000 lb fifth wheel, why would I even think
> of an F350 if the F250 has a higher capacity?
>
More payload and more stability since DRW is available.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:08:04 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 1999 Super Duty

>
>Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:06:11 EDT
>From: John941 aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty
>
>The power mirrors do fold in
>John


Folding in is great for pulling into the garage, but doesn't help when
driving without a trailer. Ford needs to design the mirrors so that they
telescope in and out. That way you don't knock pedestrian over while
driving without your trailer (they stick out too far for non towing use). I
heard somewhere that Ford is considering this option on future Super Duty
trucks?

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:54:39 -0400
From: Chris Akers
Subject: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions

Hello,
I'm new to this list, so I apologize if my questions have
been asked before - I looked for a technical FAQ, but didn't
see much on the website...

I've pretty much been a GM/Chevy guy all my life but have
had a '95 Ranger then '97 F150 and now '98 F150. The
'97 had a few "bugs" that were apparently pretty common
(engine knock, high speed vibe, leaky rear window,
washer pump switch, bad wheel hop, etc) but I still
loved it and got the '98. The '98, now with 600 miles
on it has started a brief engine knock sound upon cold
startup - similar to what the '97 did, but much higher
pitch. I don't think an anti-drainback oil filter will
fix it, but am willing to try... anyone have a part number
handy? (I normally run Fram filters in my trucks)

My second question is regarding the '99 5.4. After talking
to another list member, it sounds like there will be some
major internal changes (to solve the cold start knock
problem). I'd like to retrofit the HP improvements to
my '98, and changing cams, intakes, piddly stuff like
that doesn't scare me. :-) Does anyone have any insider
info on what is changing? The 5.4 pulls my Camaro just fine,
but the thoughts of running up against a new 300HP silverado
has me a little weary. :-)

Thanks for the help,
jC. '98 F150 4x4 SC Lariat; '67 Camaro 9.66 138 - lugnutz.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:17:50 -0400
From: "jmc.chartier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Hi Lift Jack Missile

vikki wrote:

> On 7/15/98, at 7:40 AM, But Why wrote:
>
> >Anybody have any ideas on how to bolt down a Hi Lift jack in a pick up with a topper so it
> >does not become a missile in a collision or roll over? I would like to secure it someplace
> >that we could still get to it easy enough when needed!
>
> HiYa...
>
> just came back from Colorado.. a friend of a friend has a topper on his truck (Ram 2500).. he has his HiLift attached to the clamps that hold on the topper... drilled some holes through them... attached sum rings... voila!!
>
> side note: he's in Cheyanne, was in Air Force, now reserves
>
> cya
>
> vikki
>
> "Powered by Cummins.... Driven by a Dodge"
>
> 96 2500HD CC 4x4 Cummins/TST auto/3.54 and lots of stuff
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Blue-Bears.com
> tori Blue-Bears.com
> ^tori^, syb on IRC EFnet #ramtruck or UnderNet
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In my 97 F-150 SuperCab I have mine under the rear seat. I fabricated a "Z" shaped bracket with a hole at each end. One end is passed through the rear bolt to the rear seat, and the other end has a bolt through it and this
holds the jack in place with a butterfly nut. I used to use 2 "C" clamps in the bed with bolts going through the clamps but it produced too much leverage so I moved the jack to the cab.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:44:37 -0400
From: "jmc.chartier"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions

Chris Akers wrote:

> Hello,
> I'm new to this list, so I apologize if my questions have
> been asked before - I looked for a technical FAQ, but didn't
> see much on the website...
>
> I've pretty much been a GM/Chevy guy all my life but have
> had a '95 Ranger then '97 F150 and now '98 F150. The
> '97 had a few "bugs" that were apparently pretty common
> (engine knock, high speed vibe, leaky rear window,
> washer pump switch, bad wheel hop, etc) but I still
> loved it and got the '98. The '98, now with 600 miles
> on it has started a brief engine knock sound upon cold
> startup - similar to what the '97 did, but much higher
> pitch. I don't think an anti-drainback oil filter will
> fix it, but am willing to try... anyone have a part number
> handy? (I normally run Fram filters in my trucks)
>
> My second question is regarding the '99 5.4. After talking
> to another list member, it sounds like there will be some
> major internal changes (to solve the cold start knock
> problem). I'd like to retrofit the HP improvements to
> my '98, and changing cams, intakes, piddly stuff like
> that doesn't scare me. :-) Does anyone have any insider
> info on what is changing? The 5.4 pulls my Camaro just fine,
> but the thoughts of running up against a new 300HP silverado
> has me a little weary. :-)
>
> Thanks for the help,
> jC. '98 F150 4x4 SC Lariat; '67 Camaro 9.66 138 - lugnutz.com
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> phone:919-462-1900 x259 - fax:919-462-1933
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JC,

Go buy yourself a Chip and you will get the same improvements as the
new 5.4L. Superchips gives about 14 more HP at the top end and about 20
more in the mid-range. I have a Superchips in my 4.6L and it has
helped. Try Mike Troyer at Performance Products Inc. He is the
National Distributer for Superchips and can give you a discount.
540-997-1306.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:15:48 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions

The anti drainback oil filter (from Motorcraft) is any one with a "s" on the
end (FL-820-S for F-150). They have also started making FL-400-S filters
and in the FL-1-HP has a anti-drainback valve.

As for changes to the 99 5.4L I don't know what they're going to do but it
would be cheaper to find aftermarket performance items that would give the
same results. As for the new GM trucks the biggest engine in a 1/2 ton is
the 5300 which makes 270 Hp at a screaming 5000 RPM and 315 lb/ft of torque
at 4000 RPM. So unless its rapped to redline the new trucks going to be
slower than yours and it won't pull as well due to the lack of torque
(especially at low RPM's). The 99 5.4L will have 260 HP at 4500 but the big
news is the 345 lb/ft of torque at 2300 RPM (witch is where you need it).
About the only things I really envy about the new Chevy is the available
Transmission Temperature gauge and the Disc brakes.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
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From: Chris Akers
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:11 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions


The '98, now with 600 miles
>on it has started a brief engine knock sound upon cold
>startup - similar to what the '97 did, but much higher
>pitch. I don't think an anti-drainback oil filter will
>fix it, but am willing to try... anyone have a part number
>handy? (I normally run Fram filters in my trucks)
>
>My second question is regarding the '99 5.4. After talking
>to another list member, it sounds like there will be some
>major internal changes (to solve the cold start knock
>problem). I'd like to retrofit the HP improvements to
>my '98, and changing cams, intakes, piddly stuff like
>that doesn't scare me. :-) Does anyone have any insider
>info on what is changing? The 5.4 pulls my Camaro just fine,
>but the thoughts of running up against a new 300HP silverado
>has me a little weary. :-)
>
>Thanks for the help,
>jC. '98 F150 4x4 SC Lariat; '67 Camaro 9.66 138 - lugnutz.com
>--
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>Secant Network Technologies - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.secantnet.com - RTP, NC
>phone:919-462-1900 x259 - fax:919-462-1933
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:50:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Crisp
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ExtraCare vs PremiumCare Warranties

If you don't get these warranties from the dealer, who do they
come from?
rc

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:04:21 -0400
From: Chris Akers
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions

Union Auto wrote:
> The anti drainback oil filter (from Motorcraft) is any one with a "s"

Thanks for the info!

> As for changes to the 99 5.4L I don't know what they're going to do but it
> would be cheaper to find aftermarket performance items that would give the
> same results.

Based on my experience tuning other late model vehicles, I don't
have too much confidence in most aftermarket suppliers' claims.
My impression is that during the mid '80s, the big three were
still relatively new to microcontrollers WRT engine management,
but have become rather sophisticated in the '90s; so much
so that trying to eek extra performance out of factory programming
yields nothing more than really bad mileage or having to run
higher octane fuel for a couple ponies. :-) If anyone has
personally dyno tested the various exhaust, chip and other parts
or have some track times, I'd really be interested in hearing
about them?!

> As for the new GM trucks the biggest engine in a 1/2 ton is
> the 5300 which makes 270 Hp at a screaming 5000 RPM and 315 lb/ft of

Interesting! I read somewhere that the 6liter would be available.
I agree with your torque assessment - I was hauling a friend's
mustang up the mountains of West VA while his brother was pulling
his nova with a 5.7 chevy. I was passing cars and he couldn't
even maintain the speed limit. Ha!

Later,
jC. '98 F150 SC 4x4 Lariat; '67 Camaro - lugnutz.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:49:29 EDT
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - intro and 5.4 questions

In a message dated 98-07-15 14:04:01 EDT, you write:


so that trying to eek extra performance out of factory programming
yields nothing more than really bad mileage or having to run
higher octane fuel for a couple ponies. :-) If anyone has
personally dyno tested the various exhaust, chip and other parts
or have some track times, I'd really be interested in hearing >>

Not true. The factory fuel and timing tables leave a lot to be desired. Not to
mention that most chip makers now also alter the way the trans shifts for
improved response. I am going to use the Level 10 chip as soon as i get a
chance to sample their demo truck. I want to get the superchips chip and try
them both on a dynojet so i can verify the increase in HP.

Harry
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:15:35 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 6.0L chevy

The 6.0L will only be available in the 3/4 ton Chevy and GMC trucks
according to their literature. This is the LD 3/4 ton and I don't know what
engines they'll use in the HD and 1 ton trucks as they are going to be the
old body style.

Nathan


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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:01:04 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working

At 03:17 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Welcome back Nathan! Wondered where you'd been. Got any pix's f the new
>150? What about pricing, do you know when pricing will be available?
>Jack
>
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Who's Nathan? and what does he know that we dont know???
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:15:53 -0500
From: "Jack B"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working

Keep readin' you'll find out! Seems to be a very realiable source since
I've been around.

Jack

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From: Alan Wilson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 16:00
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working


>At 03:17 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Welcome back Nathan! Wondered where you'd been. Got any pix's f the new
>>150? What about pricing, do you know when pricing will be available?
>>Jack
>>
>---
>
>Who's Nathan? and what does he know that we dont know???
>Alan Wilson
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:17 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ExtraCare vs PremiumCare Warranties

my cousin bought a extended warranty somewhere off the internet.

Daryl
On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Russ Crisp
writes:
>If you don't get these warranties from the dealer, who do they
>come from?
>rc
>
>*--------------------------------------------------------------*
>| Russ Crisp, Systems Analyst | http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://soco.wcu.edu |
>| Western Carolina University | E-mail: crisp soco.wcu.edu |
>| Room 309, HFR Admin Building | Voice: (704) 227-7321 |
>| Cullowhee, NC 28723 (USA) | Facsimile: (704) 227-7202 |
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:21:00 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: FTE 97up - slide in tow mirrors

I heard that they are going to design and come out with them(slide in tow
mirrors) but did not include the option currently, from someone who went
to see the new truck stuff as a dealer(a salesman).

Daryl
On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:08:04 -0700 "Harald"
writes:
>
>>
>>Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:06:11 EDT
>>From: John941 aol.com
>>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty
>>
>>The power mirrors do fold in
>>John
>
>
>Folding in is great for pulling into the garage, but doesn't help when
>driving without a trailer. Ford needs to design the mirrors so that
>they
>telescope in and out. That way you don't knock pedestrian over while
>driving without your trailer (they stick out too far for non towing
>use). I
>heard somewhere that Ford is considering this option on future Super
>Duty
>trucks?
>
>Harald
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:32:53 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Computer is finally working

At 02:01 PM 7/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>At 03:17 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Welcome back Nathan! Wondered where you'd been. Got any pix's f the new
>>150? What about pricing, do you know when pricing will be available?
>>Jack
>>
>---
>
>Who's Nathan? and what does he know that we dont know???
>Alan Wilson
>

Nathan runs a Ford dealership and is an extremely helpful list
member. I guess you could say he has the "inside scoop."

Ken Payne


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:07:41 -0400
From: "vikki"
Subject: FTE 97up - Intro from a Truck Owner.... lil long

HiYa's...

just thought I'd introduce myself... I recently joined this list and have=
done a couple of postings. if anyone has read them and gotten as far as=
my signature line, I'm sure there has been some "wtf is she doin' here??"=
thoughts... well... here we go...

my name is vikki. I've been driving trucks (4-6 horse vans, 40' goosenecks,=
tag alongs) since I was 15. don't ask how long ago that was. but I will=
tell you I've been through 8 trucks of some type or nother in that time.=
as you can tell by my signature, I don't drive a ford (I did have a Bronco=
at one time). The present truck is my 3rd Dodge. Why a Dodge and not=
Ford... Because of the engine. my first Dodge was a 92.. I definitely=
didn't by it for the looks or the ride. since then Dodge has made great=
strides in ride and looks but IMHO has sacrificed toughness.

hmmm... getting sidetracked....

I joined this list to get an idea of what is happening with the Fords...=
good or bad... I've even gone so far as to stop at 2 dealerships to check=
the new SD's out.. Yes, it has crossed my mind to trade... think I'll hang=
out here for a bit, read and learn, ask sum questions, maybe even answer=
some...

I've been hanging out on the Ford Truck's page web based chat area at=
night.. have chatted with a few knowledgeable ppl... and one or two not=
so... they have all been very nice. the web based chat area is an=
improvement over the one the ram's page had. still not as good as IRC..=....


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