97up-list-digest Thursday, July 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 144



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall
FTE 97up - Ford "A" plan pricing
Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall
Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light
FTE 97up - Replies to my Aux fuel tank questions
FTE 97up - oil level
Re: FTE 97up - Replies to my Aux fuel tank questions
FTE 97up - ADMIN: 250,000th visitor

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:11:22 -0400
From: "Paul J. Naas"
Subject: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall

I received a letter from Ford on 7-6-98 and they enclosed a sketch
showing lug nut tightening sequence (the standard cross tightening
method). They said to tighted the nuts to 100 ft/lbs and then an
additional 1/8 to 1/4 turn. As stated the dealerships will provide this
service for you if you desire. Personally, I don't like to over tighten
any lug nuts. It stretches and/or gauls the threads thus ruining the
wheel studs and perhaps warping the front rotors. I've been checking my
lug nuts (at 100 ft/lbs) on a 4-6 week basis and have always found them
tight. Also as stated in previous messages, Ford will send another
info letter when the nuts are available. They estimate the 3rd qaurter
of 1998 (June, July or August).
Keep em tight...

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:45:06 -0400
From: "Paul J. Naas"
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford "A" plan pricing

I purchased my 97 F-150 thru tha "A" plan and my savings was 16-17%
below MSRP

Paul Naas

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:48:44 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97 truck lug nut recall

Having spent about three years on torque procedures I can confidently say
that I believe that Ford is way out in the outer limits when they specify a
1/8 to 1/4 inch increase in the nut travel to achieve a torque condition. I
am certain that my colleagues would have a heart attack on that score too.

When we had a critical torque sequence to do we required the personnel to
take the wrench assembly with , crow foots, wrench extenders, or whatever to
the calibration lab and pull the torque on a torque guage certified by the
National Bureau of Standards. The personnel were required to use the exact
setup that they were going to use on the equipment that they torqued. In
some cases we permitted the "turn of the nut method" which I believe is what
Ford is attempting to do.

The turn of the nut method brings the nut into contact with the surface to
be fastened. After touching the surface the nut would then be tightened
with a torque wrence to the specified torque while counting the turns on the
nut to reach the torque. The method is used where clear access to similar
nuts was not available.

On the other hand the turn of the nut method was a a better way to torque
inaccesible areas because the angle of pull on the torque wrench is as
important as the guage that indicates the torque value. Torque wrenches
need to be pulled with a perpendicular wrist angle to the wrench, otherwise
a vector force will be encountered. Does Ford obey the perpendicular wrist
pull requirement? I seriously doubt it. Does Ford use impact wrenches with
torque extender bar attachments coupled to the impact wrench? I am certain
that they do. Are the torque extender bars calibrated for torque? I
seriously doubt that they are. The final question, . . . . Are the wheel
nuts safe given Ford's torque procedures? I can say I have serious
reservations about their torque data and proscribed method.

Torque needs to be in the "modulus of elasticity" relative to the material
used as a stud, so I don't really see how additional nut rotation can be an
accurate enough method to torque nuts.



Paul J. Naas wrote:

> I received a letter from Ford on 7-6-98 and they enclosed a sketch
> showing lug nut tightening sequence (the standard cross tightening
> method). They said to tighted the nuts to 100 ft/lbs and then an
> additional 1/8 to 1/4 turn. As stated the dealerships will provide this
> service for you if you desire. Personally, I don't like to over tighten
> any lug nuts. It stretches and/or gauls the threads thus ruining the
> wheel studs and perhaps warping the front rotors. I've been checking my
> lug nuts (at 100 ft/lbs) on a 4-6 week basis and have always found them
> tight. Also as stated in previous messages, Ford will send another
> info letter when the nuts are available. They estimate the 3rd qaurter
> of 1998 (June, July or August).
> Keep em tight...
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:27:46 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

At 03:35 PM 7/8/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>This is NOT much encouragement, I know, and the reason that I have posted
>this clip is the fact that I have TWO binding arbitration decisions that
>FORD will not HONOR!. BINDING ARBITRATION is BULLSH*T and IMHO a fraud that
>is allowed to happen to the consumer.
>

Watch the language please. Our rating with RSAC states that we
don't have adult language in our content. Somehow yours got past
the filters.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:54:29 -0400
From: Charles Hosier
Subject: FTE 97up - Replies to my Aux fuel tank questions

To all those that replied to my aux fuel tank questions for my 97
F-150.....many thanks. I spoke with the folks at Transfer Flow only to
find out that right now they only manufacture aux tanks for the heavy
duty series. The problem with the development of one for my truck is
the computer within the existing tank and trying to make it work with an
add on aux tank. I'm not complaining in the least about getting 15.5
mpg (4.6L) around town, but how nice it would be to go 550-600 miles
between fill ups. The folks at transfer flow said they are working on
one though.

Chuck Hosier

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:24:00 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 97up - oil level

I usually do not comment on other peoples experiences or beliefs, but I
felt that my opinion would be heard this time. In regard to some
peoples' replies to some ones comment on a Ranger that showed the oil
light coming on:
I have a 1994 Ford Explorer E.B. that when it is a quart low the OIL
LIGHT WILL COME ON! If you top it off, the light will go out! My
dealer HAS confirmed this occurance will happen. So thats my comment.
Mike Ruth
99 F-350 Superduty Lariat SC 4X4 Diesel (LOVE IT!!!)
94 Explorer E.B. 4X4
89 Bronco II XLT
89 Merkur Scorpio
89 Merkur XR4Ti
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:59:42 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Replies to my Aux fuel tank questions

Thanks for the info. Now that I have read the message posted here I remember
the factory engineer saying something about the computer but I didn't
realize that they had a computer "in the tank"
As to topping the tank off, he said that doing a top off was a serious NO!
NO! for whatever it's worth to anyone.


Charles Hosier wrote:

> To all those that replied to my aux fuel tank questions for my 97
> F-150.....many thanks. I spoke with the folks at Transfer Flow only to
> find out that right now they only manufacture aux tanks for the heavy
> duty series. The problem with the development of one for my truck is
> the computer within the existing tank and trying to make it work with an
> add on aux tank. I'm not complaining in the least about getting 15.5
> mpg (4.6L) around town, but how nice it would be to go 550-600 miles
> between fill ups. The folks at transfer flow said they are working on
> one though.
>
> Chuck Hosier
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:54:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: 250,000th visitor

Just had our 250,000th visitor to the web site. Thought
some of you might want to know. Thanks!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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