FTE 97up - V-10 Availability & SUV Survey

97up-list-digest Wednesday, July 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 143

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In this issue:

FTE 97up - V-10 Availability & SUV Survey
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission to Buy?
Re: FTE 97up - Transmission to Buy?
Re: FTE 97up - Anti SUV Survey
FTE 97up - oil burner, 99 powerstroke
FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
Re: FTE 97up - oil burner, 99 powerstroke
Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
Re: FTE 97up - ...SUV Survey
Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
FTE 97up - ranger oil light
RE: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light
FTE 97up - Nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts?
RE: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light
Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light
Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:49:28 EDT
From: MRoadarDOJ

aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 Availability & SUV Survey

Regarding the posts that have indicated a shortage/delay in getting trucks
with the V-10:

I ordered my 1999 F-350 SD, V-10, SRW, Lariat in early or mid-May and was told
it would take about 90 days. In late June I was given a delivery date of Aug
3. I checked with the dealer this week and he indicated he has not had any
delays in getting the V-10 trucks and confirmed that Ford still showed the Aug
3 delivery. (He did say that there has been a delay in getting trucks with
dual real wheels.) I'll let you know what happened a month from now.

SUV survey:

The Friends of the Earth website is running a survey on attitudes toward SUVs.
I checked it out and I don't think the results they are getting are what they
expected/hoped for. (Seems that most of the people responding think that the
safety of their families should take priority over extending the gas-guzzler
tax to cover SUVs which would make it more difficult for people to afford the
safer SUV. Imagine that. . .) It takes about two minutes to complete their
form. I think it's worth your time. The address is:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.suv.org/index.html

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:03:35 EDT
From: RAMWORKER

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission to Buy?

Hi Neil,

Here's what little I know about the new automatic transmissions (4r100 &
E4od)

Point 1: There was an earlier post I failed to save that went, While
crawling around under my new truck, I found a tag on the transmission that
said, if this transmission needs repair before a certain date (sorry I forgot
the date) this transmission should not be opened or repaired and should be
sent back to Ford as a complete unit and replaced with a new unit. Maybe
someone saved this post, it should be in the archives, but that's how I
remember it.

Point 2: One of the reasons I'm on this list, is that one of my coworkers
has been interested in a new 1-ton. She finally has one, a '97 crew cab
PowerStroke Automatic! Arg! I never dreamed she or her husband would buy an
automatic! They're standard drivers! Anyway, at 300 miles, Tranny goes out,
it's rebuilt and torque converter replaced. At 600 miles, Transmission goes
out again, is replaced, including torque converter. Now, at 2,200 miles, all
is well.

Point 3: There is a good transmission shop around the corner from where I
work. I have all my work done there, and they are friends of mine. While
shooting the breeze with them after work the other day, I asked about their
opinion of the new Ford autos and others. His response was that he could not
get parts for these through his normal channels and was forced to go through
local dealers. He has great difficulty getting parts even from dealers, and
has called Ford direct, trying to get parts expedited, They tell him they just
can't release some of these parts. His opinion of GM & Chrysler autos, is
that all is normal, no unusual problems that he has seen.

In my experience, I would not buy another automatic in a heavy duty
application, operated at or near Max GCVW. They draw too much power and shift
where THEY think they should be shifted.

On the limited slip question, I would recommend it. But you can't get it
with my pick of gears, 3.73, so I would go with the 4.10 gears that it is
available with.

Best Regards,
Robert Stout

In a message dated 7/7/98 9:58:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
nstahl

worldnet.att.net writes:

full-time RV'rs, pulling a 7 ton + fifth wheel.
Probably the truck will do that a day or two about every two weeks,
otherwise it will be our running-around vehicle.
My wife would prefer an automatic, but would drive the standard. I
prefer standard transmissions in general, but have never driven a rig
nearly as heavy as this will be with the trailer on.
We expect to be in lots of kinds of terrain, including mountains.

I'd appreciate comments from people with the experience to give good
advice on the advantages or disadvantages of each transmission for our
kind of usage.

ALSO: on a newsgroup someone said if you get a 4x4 you should get
limited-slip differential. Comments? I've seen a list of options and
l.-s.d. doesn't seem to be one. Anyone know if that's true? >>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:32:39 EDT
From: John941

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Transmission to Buy?

I have a F250 SD CC with 4x4 and limited slip.
John
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:16:10 -0700
From: "R. Thomas Cepek, Sr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Anti SUV Survey

JJ/Rae wrote:

Thanks for posting this!!!

I, obviously, filled out the survey.

RTC

>
> Go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.suv.org/index.html and take the survey. This is anti
> SUV and
> needs to be told the truth.
>
> JJ
>
> --
> ICQ # 14108174
> The Lacedemonians are not wont to ask how many the enemy are, but where
> they are.
> 1997 F-250HD XLT Powerstroke Diesel 4x4, SC, SB, 5sp, 4.10,
> Raider Vagabond Topper,Smittybuilt Sure-Step Nurf Bars,
> 285/75R16 BFG/MT's, K&N Filter, Lund bug deflector,
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1997_f250_1.html
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/photos/f25023.jpg
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:42:46 -0500
From: daryl.rue

juno.com
Subject: FTE 97up - oil burner, 99 powerstroke

Dear Group,

I have a 99 f250 crew cab diesel automatic. I drove it about 700 miles
and it started smoking and losing power, almost died unless I drove slow.
I took it asap to the nearest dealer. They said it was 8 quarts low on
oil. That means out of 14 quarts, it had six. The low oil light never
once came on. On my ranger it came on when it was a few quarts low.
Anyway they put oil in it, and suggested that the factory thought it was
a gas vs diesel, or the dealer should have caught it in dealer prep. I
took it to a different dealer than I purchased it from, because I did not
want to drive this thing across town. I drove it another 300 miles and
checked the dipstick, no oil showed up. Took it to the same dealer they
did a oil test. Took it back after checking the oil it burnt 2 quarts in
about 150 miles. They did a test, and found it was the fuel injector o
rings that were bad. Had to order them in, they gave me a case of oil in
the interim, said it would be ok to drive. I burnt 8 quarts of oil
driving 12hrs(600 miles) on a canoe trip. Then had the o rings replaced,
now after 400 miles does not appear to be burning oil. What should I do
from here? Surely some engine damage was done that will show up down the
road? What should I expect a new engine, more than the engine effected?
How should I attack so I will get what I deserve?

Also the vacuum pump was making noise the first time I took it in. I
told them when I turn the ignition, before I start the car it sounds like
a fan is running. They said it was normal. After it being there and not
being there I realized they were wrong. They have one on order now.

Thanks in advance for your advice,

P.S I do not tell anyone else about these problems. I need to keep ford
with the good name!

Daryl Rue, Omaha Nebraska.

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:46:37 -0500
From: Jim Cole
Subject: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday

He claimed the Invoice pricing off the net was way off and that that
pricing is what the Ford employee's pay(I forget what thats called).
Anyway, he said he couldnt even get it for that cheap. He quoted me about
$1500 over the pricing on the net. Now I dont want screw my dealer but I
dont want to get screwed either. Union Auto has always come darn close to
the net pricing so thats why I ask. I just wondered if anyone knew how
close the invoice pricing on the new really was.

Thanks
- -Jim Cole

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:10 -0500
From: daryl.rue

juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday

When I ordered mine it was off by $300, but the dealer did make $1200 in
incentives. It showed it right there. I think $1200 for a 30,700 sale
is fair for both parties.

Daryl

On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:46:37 -0500 Jim Cole writes:
>He claimed the Invoice pricing off the net was way off and that that
>pricing is what the Ford employee's pay(I forget what thats called).
>Anyway, he said he couldnt even get it for that cheap. He quoted me
>about
>$1500 over the pricing on the net. Now I dont want screw my dealer but
>I
>dont want to get screwed either. Union Auto has always come darn close
>to
>the net pricing so thats why I ask. I just wondered if anyone knew how
>close the invoice pricing on the new really was.
>
>Thanks
>-Jim Cole
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:05:06 EDT
From: RAMWORKER

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday

Hi List,

In a message dated 7/8/98 9:47:28 AM Central Daylight Time, jcole

pro-ns.net
writes:

> He claimed the Invoice pricing off the net was way off and that that
> pricing is what the Ford employee's pay(I forget what thats called).

There's several programs, depending on your position in the corporation and
the relationship of your company to Ford.

> Anyway, he said he couldnt even get it for that cheap. He quoted me about
> $1500 over the pricing on the net.

Bull, IMHO
One thing Ford doesn't put on their web site is option prices, they claim
these are set
by the dealer, but Nathan has published list and net prices of some of these
options.

> Now I dont want screw my dealer but I
> dont want to get screwed either. Union Auto has always come darn close to

Don't worry about it, they'll never agree to a deal where they'll lose.
Just call Nathan and make a deal, you can afford air fare for a $1,500.00
savings and don't support a dealer trying to take advantage of you.

> the net pricing so thats why I ask. I just wondered if anyone knew how
> close the invoice pricing on the new really was.

Pretty close, they may not have all the latest info, but pretty close.

Best Regards,
Robert Stout
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:06:27 -0700
From: alanh

galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - oil burner, 99 powerstroke

> They said it was 8 quarts low on oil. That means out of 14 quarts,
> it had six. The low oil light never once came on. On my ranger it
> came on when it was a few quarts low.

So Ford now has a light that tells you you're low on oil? Is this
something new? All idiot lights I've seen only tell you when the
oil pump can no longer draw oil from the sump, which means that you're
REALLY low on oil! On your Ranger, if it was "...a few quarts low"
then you only had one or two quarts left in the pan, hardly enough
to get the pump wet, let alone lube the engine.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | Proud to be part of the |
Santa Clara, Ca | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy |
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:07:59 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday

When I ordered my 1999 SD in April, the Edmund's price and the actual invoice were
within $5. Ford employees (and their family they share it with) can use the 'A'
plan. I had the opportunity to use it on my last truck and it saves quite a bit.
But from what I remember, it's not actually special pricing. It is invoice minus x%
or something similar. In other words, you wouldn't find A plan pricing on the net.
Maybe (and I've never seen it) the formula to get it. I'm not going to get into the
argument of what you should pay (tried it, it was kinda ugly), but I can tell you
that it is very illegal for a dealer to lie about the invoice of a vehicle.

You best protection is to try another dealer, and compare their stories.

Good luck,
Chad

Jim Cole wrote:

> He claimed the Invoice pricing off the net was way off and that that
> pricing is what the Ford employee's pay(I forget what thats called).
> Anyway, he said he couldnt even get it for that cheap. He quoted me about
> $1500 over the pricing on the net. Now I dont want screw my dealer but I
> dont want to get screwed either. Union Auto has always come darn close to
> the net pricing so thats why I ask. I just wondered if anyone knew how
> close the invoice pricing on the new really was.
>
> Thanks
> -Jim Cole
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:14:12 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ...SUV Survey

I filled it out as well. Your right about the results. They range from very much in
favor of SUV's and trucks to extremely in favor of. I also sent them a tasteful
letter telling them why I thought their efforts to save the world by the demise of
our SUV's and trucks was a waste of time.

Thanks JJ for the scoop,
Chad

MRoadarDOJ

aol.com wrote:

>

> SUV survey:
>
> The Friends of the Earth website is running a survey on attitudes toward SUVs.
> I checked it out and I don't think the results they are getting are what they
> expected/hoped for. (Seems that most of the people responding think that the
> safety of their families should take priority over extending the gas-guzzler
> tax to cover SUVs which would make it more difficult for people to afford the
> safer SUV. Imagine that. . .) It takes about two minutes to complete their
> form. I think it's worth your time. The address is:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.suv.org/index.html
>
> /Mark

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 10:38:37 CDT
From: "David Price"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday

where is Nathan at?

sorry guys - i must have came in on the middle of this conversation. what
vehicle is this guy trying to buy and where (at what web site) is he
getting the price information from? I know of 2 websites that you can
find out prices on. They are www.kbb.com and www.. Please
fill me in on the details.

thanks
- -------------
Original Text
From: , on 7/8/98 10:05 AM:
Hi List,

In a message dated 7/8/98 9:47:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
jcole

pro-ns.net
writes:

> He claimed the Invoice pricing off the net was way off and that that
> pricing is what the Ford employee's pay(I forget what thats called).

There's several programs, depending on your position in the corporation
and
the relationship of your company to Ford.

> Anyway, he said he couldnt even get it for that cheap. He quoted me
about
> $1500 over the pricing on the net.

Bull, IMHO
One thing Ford doesn't put on their web site is option prices, they claim
these are set
by the dealer, but Nathan has published list and net prices of some of
these
options.

> Now I dont want screw my dealer but I
> dont want to get screwed either. Union Auto has always come darn close
to

Don't worry about it, they'll never agree to a deal where they'll lose.
Just call Nathan and make a deal, you can afford air fare for a $1,500.00
savings and don't support a dealer trying to take advantage of you.

> the net pricing so thats why I ask. I just wondered if anyone knew how
> close the invoice pricing on the new really was.

Pretty close, they may not have all the latest info, but pretty close.

Best Regards,
Robert Stout
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:23:24 -0500
From: daryl.rue

juno.com
Subject: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

Yes, when my ranger, and my brothers is 2 quarts low, you will get a
check oil light. Both are 89'. It came on 3 times when it was about
time to change the oil, later in its carreer. My brothers who has 130k
came on the other day, put in two quarts to fill it.

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:06:27 -0700 alanh

galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
writes:
>> They said it was 8 quarts low on oil. That means out of 14 quarts,
>> it had six. The low oil light never once came on. On my ranger it
>> came on when it was a few quarts low.
>
>So Ford now has a light that tells you you're low on oil? Is this
>something new? All idiot lights I've seen only tell you when the
>oil pump can no longer draw oil from the sump, which means that you're
>REALLY low on oil! On your Ranger, if it was "...a few quarts low"
>then you only had one or two quarts left in the pan, hardly enough
>to get the pump wet, let alone lube the engine.
>
>---
>
>Alan Hepburn |
>|
>National Semiconductor | Proud to be part of the
>|
>Santa Clara, Ca | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
>|
>alanh

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:33:02 -0500
From: "Riehl, Derek"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday

My price calculated from
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.carprice.com/pages/prices/new/8339908.htm exactly matched the
dealers Order Confirmation Screen during the ordering process, and at time
of delivery was only $80 lower than the Factory Invoice price.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Jim Cole [SMTP:jcole

pro-ns.net]
> Sent:Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:47 AM
> To:97up-list

galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

> Yes, when my ranger, and my brothers is 2 quarts low, you will get a
> check oil light. Both are 89'. It came on 3 times when it was about
> time to change the oil, later in its carreer. My brothers who has 130k
> came on the other day, put in two quarts to fill it.

Okay, but I maintain that the light only comes on when the oil pressure
drops below some predetermined level. And what causes that drop is the
oil pump trying to pump air instead of oil. How much oil does a Ranger
engine hold? If it's a 4 cylinder engine, then it probably holds about
4 quarts total, so being down 2 quarts is a significant difference -
enough that it's entirely possible that the oil pump is starved, especially
going around corners.

You should not rely on the light to tell you when the oil is low, unless
the owner's manual specifically states that the light is designed to tell
you when you're low - in which case it should let you know when you're
a quart, or less, low.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | Proud to be part of the |
Santa Clara, Ca | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy |
alanh

galaxy.nsc.com | |
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:26:05 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts?

Well its that time again, Car Lounge is taking nominations for
the #1 automotive site for Autumn 98. Due to the support from
list members in the Spring, Ford Truck Enthusiasts won 1st
place for the Summer 98 award. If you would like to nominate
Ford Truck Enthusiasts, please visit:

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:38:57 -0400
From: "Shumard, Keith (SHUMARKJ)"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday

When I order my 97 F150 5.4 XLT SWB, I used Edmunds.com for pricing
information, options codes, and such. As I remember all of their number
were pretty exact.

Try talking directly to the sales manager or another dealership.

Good luck,
Keith

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Jim Cole [SMTP:jcole

pro-ns.net]
> Sent:Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:47 AM
> To:97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday
>
> He claimed the Invoice pricing off the net was way off and that that
> pricing is what the Ford employee's pay(I forget what thats called).
> Anyway, he said he couldnt even get it for that cheap. He quoted me about
> $1500 over the pricing on the net. Now I dont want screw my dealer but I
> dont want to get screwed either. Union Auto has always come darn close to
> the net pricing so thats why I ask. I just wondered if anyone knew how
> close the invoice pricing on the new really was.
>
> Thanks
> -Jim Cole
>
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:59:26 +0000
From: "vikki"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Talked to my local Ford dealer yesterday

On 7/8/98, at 10:38 AM, David Price wrote:

>find out prices on. They are www.kbb.com and www..

HiYa's....

other sites are :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autosite.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edmunds.com

autosite supplies information to Microsoft and other car companies. their=
data is usually as up to date as possible.

vikki

"Powered by Cummins.... Driven by a Dodge"

96 2500HD CC 4x4 Cummins/TST auto/3.54 and lots of stuff
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Blue-Bears.com
tori

Blue-Bears.com
^tori^, syb on IRC EFnet #ramtruck or UnderNet
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:05:05 -0500
From: daryl.rue

juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

Ok, you are right.

But that still does not answer my question of what I should do now, or
should I be concerned that my diesel engine was running on 6 quarts, and
wether or not it will decrease the longitivity of my purchase.

Thanks,

Daryl
On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:47:28 -0700 alanh

galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
writes:
>> Yes, when my ranger, and my brothers is 2 quarts low, you will get a
>> check oil light. Both are 89'. It came on 3 times when it was
>about
>> time to change the oil, later in its carreer. My brothers who has
>130k
>> came on the other day, put in two quarts to fill it.
>
>Okay, but I maintain that the light only comes on when the oil
>pressure
>drops below some predetermined level. And what causes that drop is
>the
>oil pump trying to pump air instead of oil. How much oil does a
>Ranger
>engine hold? If it's a 4 cylinder engine, then it probably holds
>about
>4 quarts total, so being down 2 quarts is a significant difference -
>enough that it's entirely possible that the oil pump is starved,
>especially
>going around corners.
>
>You should not rely on the light to tell you when the oil is low,
>unless
>the owner's manual specifically states that the light is designed to
>tell
>you when you're low - in which case it should let you know when you're
>a quart, or less, low.
>
>---
>
>Alan Hepburn |
>|
>National Semiconductor | Proud to be part of the
>|
>Santa Clara, Ca | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
>|
>alanh

galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

> But that still does not answer my question of what I should do now, or
> should I be concerned that my diesel engine was running on 6 quarts, and
> wether or not it will decrease the longitivity of my purchase.

I can't advise you there...there's been a couple of times that my
'90 version of the engine only gave back about 6 quarts on an oil
change, and it's still going strong at 124,000 miles, but it's not
a Powerstroke, and it doesn't use the oil to cool a turbo, or run
the injectors.

Hopefully someone else can pipe in here!

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:35:39 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ranger oil light

You have what may be considered a legal "nightmare" under warranty
provisions. As far as I know from some not so good lawyers, you are only
entitled to WARRANTY defined benefits. As near as I can understand other
law facts, the manufacturer has a requirement to keep it running until the
warranty runs out. Is this good news or bad news? Only a judge can make a
decision based on the law and case facts.

This is NOT much encouragement, I know, and the reason that I have posted
this clip is the fact that I have TWO binding arbitration decisions that
FORD will not HONOR!. BINDING ARBITRATION is BULLSHIT and IMHO a fraud that
is allowed to happen to the consumer.

daryl.rue

juno.com wrote:

> Ok, you are right.
>
> But that still does not answer my question of what I should do now, or
> should I be concerned that my diesel engine was running on 6 quarts, and
> wether or not it will decrease the longitivity of my purchase.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daryl
> On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:47:28 -0700 alanh

galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
> writes:
> >> Yes, when my ranger, and my brothers is 2 quarts low, you will get a
> >> check oil light. Both are 89'. It came on 3 times when it was
> >about
> >> time to change the oil, later in its carreer. My brothers who has
> >130k
> >> came on the other day, put in two quarts to fill it.
> >
> >Okay, but I maintain that the light only comes on when the oil
> >pressure
> >drops below some predetermined level. And what causes that drop is
> >the
> >oil pump trying to pump air instead of oil. How much oil does a
> >Ranger
> >engine hold? If it's a 4 cylinder engine, then it probably holds
> >about
> >4 quarts total, so being down 2 quarts is a significant difference -
> >enough that it's entirely possible that the oil pump is starved,
> >especially
> >going around corners.
> >
> >You should not rely on the light to tell you when the oil is low,....

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