97up-list-digest Wednesday, June 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 121



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Service Manual
FTE 97up - Resale of '98 Ranger Extended Cab
FTE 97up - 97up questions
FTE 97up - Fwd: F Ford trucks
Re: FTE 97up - 97up questions
Re: FTE 97up - 97up questions
Re: FTE 97up - 97up questions
Re: FTE 97up - Re: New Owner
FTE 97up - Magic

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:52:01 GMT
From: "Russell A. Hunter"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Service Manual

>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:03:20 EDT
>From: CNTRYF150 aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Service Manual
>
>Go to the nearest Ford dealer and ask them for the phone number of a company
>called "Helms"This is where they get their manuals.It is a 1-800 number and
>you give them a credit card number and tell them what you need,It is very
>simple.If you cant find one call me"Jim" at 954-896-4511.This is my work
>number and I will be glad to help you out with the number.I work at Armstrong
>Ford in Pompano Beach Florida,,

They have a web page at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helminc.com/

I noticed the same lack of an order form in my girlfriend's 97 Taurus
manual. I wonder why Ford stopped doing that.


Russell A. Hunter
rahunter traveller.com


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:21:20 -0500
From: Sven Setterdahl
Subject: FTE 97up - Resale of '98 Ranger Extended Cab

Just wondering what everyone thought of what the resale value on a '98 Ranger Extended Cab 4x4 will be like in the future? My concern is with the "quad" cab SCs for '99. Will these take away any value of the two-door supercab models? BTW, when are the
'99s due out?

Thanks,

Sven

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:40:22 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 97up - 97up questions

Hi! I am a long time member of the FTE lists, but new to the 97up list. I
currently have a '95 F150 XLT 4X4, 351, auto. I have been looking at '98
F150 extra cab 4X4s. I am very happy with my '95, but I would like the extra
cab. The truck I am currently eyeing is a Light Prairie Tan SC, Off Road,
4.6, auto. I'd really like a 5.4l, but they seem to be quite rare. Dealers
here don't want to deal on them much, either. I hope some of you
"experienced" '97up owners can answer a few questions.
1. How do you like the 4.6? How does it compare with the 302/351. Should I
wait for a 5.4?
2. Does the '98 use the E4OD and the 8.8" rear end?
3. Does anyone on the list have a F250 HD with a 5.4? How does it compare
with the F150 in
price? What kind of mileage do you get?
Any advice or suggestions you might offer will be appreciated.
Thanks
Randy

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:10:48 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Fwd: F Ford trucks

Forward by "executive decision":

From: Scott
Subject: FTE Pre61 - share your story

Had this e-mail sent to me and if you would like to help out then
please e-mail me with your story, wm_69 yahoo.com
Scott


experience with your F Ford truck. Stuff like; how I got my first F
truck,
my Grandma's old F Ford, how I fell in love at a Ford truck roundup,
my most memorable F Ford moment.

I have a publisher. Now I need stories. All published authors will
receive a Free copy of this classic book.

Thanks,

Judy Scott>>


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:30:28 EDT
From: Logerman aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97up questions

I have a 97 150 w/5.4. I have rented both Expeditons with 5.4 and 4.6 L.
IMHO I wouldnt waste my money on the 4.6. I assume you live some place with
hills and enjoy moving fast!

Eric
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:38:21 EDT
From: Logerman aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97up questions

When it come to dealing, know the invoice and the phone numbers of all the
local dealers. Dont be afraid to discuss what the other dealer said. If they
dont give you a quote dont deal with them. ont be afraid to deal with a
company 100 miles away, save 1000 dollars, why not, what does the phone call
cost. BTW the local will usually match. If you can do your dealing on the
phone, much less emotional
They dont play that way? Either do you, leave your phone number, they willl
call you back

Good Luck

Eric
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:06:08 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97up questions

My 4.6 does just fine with one person in it. I don't know how it will run towing a
trailer or whatever. Basically, I have the 4.6 because I don't or won't do a lot of
trailering so my engine selection was driven by what I do with the truck. I find that
the 4. 6 is more than adequate to do what I do with it and I am happy with it's power,
fuel economy, convenience items etc. I have the towing package too. I'm not happy
with a whining; alternator, transmission,rear end. Nor am I happy with vibrations in
the drive line at about 65 mph. The drive line problems are in the F-150, 98's and
97's also the Rangers. Can't figure out what Ford had in mind when they designed the
damn things

I am told by owners of similar vehicles that they don't have any problems whatsoever
towing cars on trailers to the race tracks that are located in the mountains. Nor do
they have any problems with towing boats in the mountains that run about 4K in
weight. Two Ford mechanics trailer a race car and they swear by the 4.6 with the
3.55 rear end. Two wheel drive or course and with the towing package. A Ford service
manager has a 4.6 and tows a 21 fto boat in the mountains and says that the truck is
just OK and that he never has any problems on hills etc.


Hope this gives you some kind of idea how to approach the purchase of a new truck. If
you tow ten percent of the time then you need to make an engine decision based on the
towing facts. I don't think that you will be dissatisfied with the 4.6 in mountainous
country. Hmmmmm! I'm attempting to remember how many downshifts from overdrive that I
had when going over the mountains but just can't figure a way to pass the info on to
you.

I towed a 24 ft cuddy boat with an 8 ft cab over camper with a 3/4 ton at one time. I
believe that the rear end was 4.0 or close to it. The thing would walk over anything
that was out there in the hills. I'm certain that the 4.6 wouldn't come close to
hauling the same load.as the 350 was able to handle.
WiNk



Randy Kindler wrote:

> Hi! I am a long time member of the FTE lists, but new to the 97up list. I
> currently have a '95 F150 XLT 4X4, 351, auto. I have been looking at '98
> F150 extra cab 4X4s. I am very happy with my '95, but I would like the extra
> cab. The truck I am currently eyeing is a Light Prairie Tan SC, Off Road,
> 4.6, auto. I'd really like a 5.4l, but they seem to be quite rare. Dealers
> here don't want to deal on them much, either. I hope some of you
> "experienced" '97up owners can answer a few questions.
> 1. How do you like the 4.6? How does it compare with the 302/351. Should I
> wait for a 5.4?
> 2. Does the '98 use the E4OD and the 8.8" rear end?
> 3. Does anyone on the list have a F250 HD with a 5.4? How does it compare
> with the F150 in
> price? What kind of mileage do you get?
> Any advice or suggestions you might offer will be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Randy
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:49:54 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: New Owner

Years ago, VW recommended a compount of molybdenum for the coating of
newly assembled engines, especially in the cylinders. This was to
reduce heat. I think they wanted a light oil too, probably because it
mixed with the molybdenum. If I remember correctly the same compound
had to be used on the main crank bearings too. The metals may have been
the governing criteria for the use of the compound.

The engines that they make today may be a different story so I wouldn't
think that I would use anything other than what a good engine expert
recommended.

Mobil one has a filter on the market too, and I wonder if it isn't
designed for their oil. Hmmmmm! if I recall correctly Mobil One is
like water not oil.




Bruce Stewart wrote:
>
> Thanks to Mark and "Wink" for the info about synthetic oil. I'll wait for a
> few changes before I switch, although I am curious to see if it improves the
> fuel mileage at all. I remember being told many years ago not to use
> Molyslip too early in the life cycle of an engine because it would not let
> then engine "break-in" properly so it makes some sense to do the same with
> synthetic oil. (Nathan - anything from Ford about this?)
>
> To BigFords1, it is Pacific Green with Prairie Tan interior - no trim or
> stripes.
>
> Regards, Bruce...
> >------------------------------
> From: Mark Lee
> >I have recently tried Mobil 1 synthetic in my 5.4L Expedition and it
> >works exceptionally well. It reduces engine startup knock
> >dramatically. When I talk to the seemingly well informed staff at Mr.
> >Lube they said definitely not to use synthetic until after the first
> >10,000kms or 6,000 miles.
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: "WiNk"
> >
> >Smokey of Popular Science who is a developer for all of the auto
> >manufacturers says that Mobile One is the better of the oils. Also, he
> says
> >(if I remember correctly) that 30,000 miles is the time to change to the
> >Mobil one synthetic. Since he wrote that article I could presume that
> oils,
> >and other criteria could have changed. Maybe there is a site on the net
> that
> >would provide his opinion.
> >WiNk
> >From: BigFords1 aol.com
> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
> >
> >That is exactly like my truck, except I have not had 1 problem. What color
> is yours?
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:23:50 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Magic

I ordered my 1999 SD CC SWB PSD Lariet back in February. The dealer computer
print out from a few weeks ago said it would be delivered on 6/16 and MAGIC-it
did show up. Unfortuately it did not get to the dealer until late afternoon
so I will pick it up this am. At last....

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