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FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - CAR CARE PRODUCTS WHOLESALE PRICES ZYMOL P21S LEXOL BLITZWAX MEGUIARS 3M MORE!!
RE: FTE 97up - New Owner
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - CAR CARE PRODUCTS WHOLESALE PRICES ZYMOL P21S ...
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - CAR CARE PRODUCTS WHOLESALE PRICES ZYMOL P21S ...
FTE 97up - Service Manual
FTE 97up - Lug Nut Size
FTE 97up - F150 Differentials
Re: FTE 97up - Service Manual
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Carlise
Re: Re: FTE 97up - Service Manual
FTE 97up - Re: New Owner

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:46:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - CAR CARE PRODUCTS WHOLESALE PRICES ZYMOL P21S LEXOL BLITZWAX MEGUIARS 3M MORE!!

Who the heck do you think you're fooling? Our FAQ states no
commercial posts! Your thinly disguised spam has earned you
a place onn our history page as the second person to be kicked
off the list for commercial postings. Our history page is
on the web site and is visited by the several hundred people
per month.

This lame bozo has been uns*bscribed.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:24:12 -0600
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New Owner

I switched at 20,000 miles. I read that in a Ford magazine that is the
number they recommended for modular engine Mustangs, seemed reasonable,
so that is when I changed over. Has to do with the piston rings setting
properly as I recall.

Dave
Denver, CO

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Mark Lee [SMTP:marklee2 home.com]
> Sent:Sunday, June 14, 1998 7:28 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
>
> I have recently tried Mobil 1 synthetic in my 5.4L Expedition and it
> works exceptionally well. It reduces engine startup knock
> dramatically. When I talk to the seemingly well informed staff at Mr.
> Lube they said definitely not to use synthetic until after the first
> 10,000kms or 6,000 miles.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Mark Lee
> Waterloo, Ontario
>
> Bruce Stewart wrote:
> >
> > New F-150 owner - First Post
>
>
> > I used Mobil 1 synthetic in the Explorer and plan to do the same in
> the
> > F-150. Any comments on how long I should wait or does it not affect
> the
> > engine break-in? It does knock a bit at start-up but based on
> previous
> > posts that seems to be normal for the 5.4l.
> >
> >
> > Tenfore ("Canadian, eh!")
> >
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:00:49 EDT
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - CAR CARE PRODUCTS WHOLESALE PRICES ZYMOL P21S ...

Not only did this person make a commercial pitch, but the prices on that page
were outragous.
John
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:01:03 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE Small - CAR CARE PRODUCTS WHOLESALE PRICES ZYMOL P21S ...

At 11:00 AM 6/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Not only did this person make a commercial pitch, but the prices on that
page
>were outragous.
>John

I suggest that no one on the list visits the page.



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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:19:38 -0700
From: Russell Trahan
Subject: FTE 97up - Service Manual

Can anyone tell me where I can order the service manual for a 1998
F150 XLT? In 1972 I bought a Gran Torino and the Owner's Manual
had an order form that I sent in for a complete service manual set.
It was a great set of books. Now, in 1998, there is no hint of
a service manual in the documentation that I received with my new truck.
Does Ford still have service manuals available to the public?

97up-list-digest wrote:
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> 97up-list-digest Monday, June 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 119
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> Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
> Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
> Re: FTE 97up - Super Crew Cab
> Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
> FTE 97up - Anniversary Blanket
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> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:27:51 -0400
> From: Mark Lee
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
>
> I have recently tried Mobil 1 synthetic in my 5.4L Expedition and it
> works exceptionally well. It reduces engine startup knock
> dramatically. When I talk to the seemingly well informed staff at Mr.
> Lube they said definitely not to use synthetic until after the first
> 10,000kms or 6,000 miles.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Lee
> Waterloo, Ontario
>
> Bruce Stewart wrote:
> >
> > New F-150 owner - First Post
>
> > I used Mobil 1 synthetic in the Explorer and plan to do the same in the
> > F-150. Any comments on how long I should wait or does it not affect the
> > engine break-in? It does knock a bit at start-up but based on previous
> > posts that seems to be normal for the 5.4l.
> >
> >
> > Tenfore ("Canadian, eh!")
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:24:50 -0700
> From: "WiNk"
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
>
> Smokey of Popular Science who is a developer for all of the auto
> manufacturers says that Mobile One is the better of the oils. Also, he says
> (if I remember correctly) that 30,000 miles is the time to change to the
> Mobil one synthetic. Since he wrote that article I could presume that oils,
> and other criteria could have changed. Maybe there is a site on the net that
> would provide his opinion.
> WiNk
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Lee
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 6:34 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
>
> >I have recently tried Mobil 1 synthetic in my 5.4L Expedition and it
> >works exceptionally well. It reduces engine startup knock
> >dramatically. When I talk to the seemingly well informed staff at Mr.
> >Lube they said definitely not to use synthetic until after the first
> >10,000kms or 6,000 miles.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >Mark Lee
> >Waterloo, Ontario
> >
> >Bruce Stewart wrote:
> >>
> >> New F-150 owner - First Post
> >
> >
> >> I used Mobil 1 synthetic in the Explorer and plan to do the same in the
> >> F-150. Any comments on how long I should wait or does it not affect the
> >> engine break-in? It does knock a bit at start-up but based on previous
> >> posts that seems to be normal for the 5.4l.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tenfore ("Canadian, eh!")
> >>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:50:22 EDT
> From: BigFords1 aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Crew Cab
>
> Trade in your Dodge! It's a piece of junk!
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>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:00:18 EDT
> From: BigFords1 aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
>
> That is exactly like my truck, except I have not had 1 problem. What color is
> yours?
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> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:38:46 -0500
> From: "Carol A. Ziel"
> Subject: FTE 97up - Anniversary Blanket
>
> Just wanted those to know that might be interested that I did locate the
> Ford 50th Anniversary Blanket . .. thanks to the help from this website.
> If you're interested, the blankets cost $40 plus S&H. Call 1-800-521-0639
> extension 2133 "Missy".
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:51:22 -0400
From: "jim schang"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lug Nut Size

Would someone please tell me the size of the F350 SD wheel lug nuts.

Thanks,

Jim
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:36:37 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 Differentials

Lately while truck gazing as I drive around town, I have been taking more
notice of differential shapes on the rear axle of pickups. Up until a
couple of days ago, I thought I could tell an F150 apart from an F250 or
F350 by the size and shape of the differential. Typically, a 1/2 ton
pumpkin is relatively small and pretty much a circle in shape while the
heavier pickups have a pumkin that generally has more angles and may be
wider or deeper, extending further outward from the center of the axle. The
other day, I saw a '97 F150 with a pumpkin that was not round but was shaped
more like the one on my '92 F250 HD or like one might see on a new F250
Light Duty. Initially, I thought this was some kind of modification the
owner had made but then I started noticing more and more F150s with this
type differential while others have the more standard round one. All were
2WD pickups. Can anyone tell me what is special about this differential
that is shaped so unusual for use on a 1/2 ton? Is this the limited slip
axle whereas the ones with the round pumpkin are an open differential? Just
curious to see if anyone knows the answer.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:03:20 EDT
From: CNTRYF150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Service Manual

Go to the nearest Ford dealer and ask them for the phone number of a company
called "Helms"This is where they get their manuals.It is a 1-800 number and
you give them a credit card number and tell them what you need,It is very
simple.If you cant find one call me"Jim" at 954-896-4511.This is my work
number and I will be glad to help you out with the number.I work at Armstrong
Ford in Pompano Beach Florida,,
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:23:37 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Carlise

At 04:14 PM 6/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>Not to toot my own horn, but I was at the All Ford Nationals at Carlisle
>this past week and I entered my 99 Superduty 4X4 Lariat Powerstroke in
>the "80 and up stock " competition. I WON 2nd place!!! I was actually

Congratulations!

- -Ken Payne
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:21:31 EDT
From: CNTRYF150 aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 97up - Service Manual

In my reply to the owners manual,,I gave my pager number,,,The number to my
desk at work is 954-745-4167 sorry for the in-convenience.
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:44:12 -0400
From: "Bruce Stewart"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: New Owner

Thanks to Mark and "Wink" for the info about synthetic oil. I'll wait for a
few changes before I switch, although I am curious to see if it improves the
fuel mileage at all. I remember being told many years ago not to use
Molyslip too early in the life cycle of an engine because it would not let
then engine "break-in" properly so it makes some sense to do the same with
synthetic oil. (Nathan - anything from Ford about this?)

To BigFords1, it is Pacific Green with Prairie Tan interior - no trim or
stripes.

Regards, Bruce...
>------------------------------
From: Mark Lee
>I have recently tried Mobil 1 synthetic in my 5.4L Expedition and it
>works exceptionally well. It reduces engine startup knock
>dramatically. When I talk to the seemingly well informed staff at Mr.
>Lube they said definitely not to use synthetic until after the first
>10,000kms or 6,000 miles.
>
>
>------------------------------
>From: "WiNk"
>
>Smokey of Popular Science who is a developer for all of the auto
>manufacturers says that Mobile One is the better of the oils. Also, he
says
>(if I remember correctly) that 30,000 miles is the time to change to the
>Mobil one synthetic. Since he wrote that article I could presume that
oils,
>and other criteria could have changed. Maybe there is a site on the net
that
>would provide his opinion.
>WiNk
>From: BigFords1 ....


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