97up-list-digest Tuesday, June 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 113



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - XLT
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos
FTE 97up - Re: 99 SD 550 Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 99 SD 550 mileage
RE: FTE 97up - Engine Knock on 97 Expedtion
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos
FTE 97up - FTE in V8 Times Magazine
FTE 97up - cab leak
FTE 97up - Passenger SRS on Super Duty
FTE 97up - 1999 Pics
RE: FTE 97up - cab leak
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos
FTE 97up - Super Crew Cab Package
Re: FTE 97up - Quality
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Pics
FTE 97up - Re: Cooper Tires
FTE 97up - 99 Super Duty Wheels - Cast/Forged
Re: FTE 97up - Quality

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:03:18 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - XLT

What wheels does it have? also is it 4x4 or 4x2? Their are a lot of
regional Special appearance packages so it is probably one of these.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Manuel Ziegler


>Does anyone know what the option "XLT special appearance package" mean on
>the window sticker of a 1998 reg cab. Does this have anything to do with
>colored keyed head light bezel or colored keyed mirrors. Is this a limited
>option on some XLT's ordered.


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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:15:41 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos

I'll try to find a scanner and get the picture out of the ordering guide.
It looks very similar to last year with a slightly revised grille and
bumper.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jack Bowell
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 8:51 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos


>Can anyone remember what issue of AutoWeek had a spy photo of the new 99
>F-150 in it earlier this year? I believe it was after the Detroit Auto
>Show.
>
>Or does anyone know where to find any sneak pixs of the "slightly" restyled
>truck?
>
>Jack


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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:37:48 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 99 SD 550 Mileage

Bob,
Clearly you have a mileage problem!!! Assume you are running the PSD? What
gearing (diff & trans)? The only thing I can figure is a malfunction in the
fuel delivery system, but if your dealer can't figure it out with the
computer, I'd look at another dealer. Have you checked out
www.abol.com/users/jlester/? This is Jason Lester's Ford Diesel site and has
a ton of good info. Apparently there is a chat feature you can use, but I
haven't tried it. If you get this thing figured out, please let us know the
outcome. Thanks and good luck, Butch Davis-
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 06:48:45 -0700
From: WiNk
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 99 SD 550 mileage

I had a friend that bought a brand new Mazda 6 cylinder. He had a gas
problem only when he drove for awhile. Long story to short story. The
PCV valve got stuck after the thaing warmed up. His mileage was worse
than yours. They changed the PCV valve and mileage climbed. It took a
factory rep to find the problem, and only after many days of screwing
around with the thing. The valve may not be your problem, however it is
food for thought. BTW! and as I recall the story, the valve also sucked
oil through it contaminating the engine sensors.


Bob Illingworth wrote:

> I have a simple mileage check I have used for years. I had a 1993
> Chevy 6.5 Crew Cab 4X4 Dually. I put 10,000 Lbs on it and drove 530
> miles and put in 32 gals +/- 1gal of fuel. I did this for 5 years.
> I recently purchased a Ford SD 550, I drive it empty 7500 lbs. 2400
> RPM, same as the 6.5 and I only go 265 miles before putting in 32
> gals. of fuel. The Ford computer check says all systems are OK.
> I recently made a trip towing a trailet and grossed 21,500 lbs and got
> the same mileage. 268 miles, 32 gals. fuel.
> What's wrong with this picture?????????????
> Can any one help?????????????????
>
> Bob I.
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:47:41 -0700
From: Jay Murphy
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Engine Knock on 97 Expedtion

I had the exact problem and Ford replaced the 5.4 L engine in my 97 f150 at
8,000 miles. As you can imagine, I wasn't too happy at having the engine
replaced, but haven't had any engine related problems since. They (Ford)
told me that mine was only the 12th or 13th such engine problem (piston
slap they called it) they had had with the 97 5.4 L, which was January 1998.
Sounds like there may be a few more.

By the way, I initially demanded a new truck which Ford rejected, but they
did give me a premium warranty, 6 year - 75,000 miles. All in all, I feel
satisfied that Ford took decent care of my problem. Now........ if I could
just get rid of the rough idle, exhaust ticking and a few other annoying
little problems, life would be perfect.


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Morgan
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 6:17 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Engine Knock on 97 Expedtion


On a previous post from Mark Lee, he was experiencing what Ford calls
"Cold Start Knock". It's primarly a 5.4L problem, but is/has occurred with
the 4.6L. The 5.4L is built only at the Windsor plant and they also produce
the 4.6L. I suspect a problem of quality control, due to the huge demand for
the 5.4L in the F-250LD's, Expeditions, and Navigators. My 97 F-150 5.4L
started knocking at 1600 miles and continues(it's getting worse) at 16000
miles. I have been in contact with several 5.4L and one 4.6L owner with the
same problem. Two of these people had engines replaced and the knock
returned(one was a new engine from Windsor and the other a rebuilt from a
Ford vendor). The Windsor plant continues to say they are "working" on the
problem and not to worry---I'm worried! They do tell me I will get a new
engine when the "problem" is fixed.
Basically this is piston slap inside the cylinder caused by the short
skirt on the Triton piston and excessive clearance. It happens upon
start-up when the engine is "cold"(hasn't been run for several hours). After
3 to 5 minutes at idle, the piston(s) warm up and expand to "fill" the hole.
The knocking sound is a very distinct rattle somewhat like a deisel engine.
Mine seems to be coming from 2 or 3 clyinders. I'd like to hear from others
on this situation.
Dennis Morgan 406-265-2711 (office)
Havre, MT 406-265-2358 (home)

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:07:20 EDT
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos

I saw a picture of the expedition with the new front end and im glad i already
have one. it looks like the explorer now IMHO. im pretty sure the 150 will get
the same treatment.

Harry
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:10:12 EDT
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos

BTW doesnt look like they did much more than change the grill and maybe the
bumper a little.

Harry
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:22:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - FTE in V8 Times Magazine

Woops! Typo the first time out!

V8 Times did a 1/2 page write up about Ford Truck Enthusiasts
in their May/June issue! Anyone interested can order a copy from:

Linda McDonald
V8 Times
1752 Darwin Ave.
Livermore, CA 94550 or they can be ordered via FAX and credit card numbers
from her at (925) 447-2920

Later,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com



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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:42:28 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - cab leak

Hi Folks,

This is my first ever post. Hopefully it works. I wanted to comment on
the cab leak for the Ranger. I had an '86 F150 that also developed a
leak in the weld seam of the cab rain gutter. I looked and seriously
thought it was in the rear dome light seal. I put silicone sealant
everywhere and it still leaked. I still didn't think it was the weld
seams until I put some silicone on them and the leak stopped. It is one
trouble that I will really remember!

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:41:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Passenger SRS on Super Duty

Starting now passenger air bags are standard on Super Duty F-series. There
was no change in price but the air bag was added to all my orders.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:43:52 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Pics

Some 1999 F150 pics available at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wieckphoto.com/Auto/FORD_MOTOR_COMPANY/1999_Models/
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:54 -0600
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - cab leak

That was my Ranger with the leaking cab. I checked rain gutter
integrity, looked alright. I did some more looking around the inside of
the cab and *think* I may have come up with a possibility. Looks at
though the rear windows (flip out on mine) may have leaked. The seal on
them did not seem all that tight, but I have not had the time to see if
they can even be tightened up at all. Appears that the water ran
through the window, pooled in a piece of trim at the lower edge of the
headliner, ran to low point of the trim and then ran down the back of
the cab. But since we haven't had rain for a couple of days, I have not
ruled out gaps.

Dave
Denver, CO


> -----Original Message-----
> From:Janster [SMTP:dziadul bigfoot.com]
> Sent:Monday, June 08, 1998 11:42 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 97up - cab leak
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> This is my first ever post. Hopefully it works. I wanted to comment on
> the cab leak for the Ranger. I had an '86 F150 that also developed a
> leak in the weld seam of the cab rain gutter. I looked and seriously
> thought it was in the rear dome light seal. I put silicone sealant
> everywhere and it still leaked. I still didn't think it was the weld
> seams until I put some silicone on them and the leak stopped. It is
> one
> trouble that I will really remember!
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:49:31 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos

The Expedition is geting a new front end?! Where is the site!



DAvid
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:24:29 EDT
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-150 Photos

In a message dated 98-06-08 15:11:03 EDT, you write:

>

I dont know of a site but my buddy(who is an engineer with ford) had a
magazine with the pic. I forget the name of the mag.

Harry
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:50:57 -0500
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Crew Cab Package

Does anyone know what this is? It is listed on the Ford web site under
Build Your Own. I was looking up 1999 S.D. F350, DRW, Lariat, 4x4. It also
had listed LT225/70RX19.5 tires. Prices or any information would be helpful,
I have a truck ordered, but I still have time to change it. Thanks For All
Your Help,
Jeff

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 19:17:43 -0500
From: Sven Setterdahl
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quality

> Cars are manufactured for profit, therefore they have to appeal to the users
> both in longevity and functionality. If either of the two latter conditions
> are not met then there will be NO sales, no cars, and no profit.
>

Ok, what exactly is your point, other than to argue every point made by someone
else? Yes, in a perfect world QC wouldn't even exist because everything would be
perfect. When you find that perfect world let the rest of us know. This is why
there is such a thing as QC. Things aren't perfect, and people aren't perfect.
You've never made a mistake? You think quality control engineers don't make
mistakes? I feel sorry for anybody that buys your product, or works under you, since
you think your world is the right and only world. I'm glad you've read all about
"Total Quality Control" and know what it is.

BTW, your mention of QC in the space program was a little absurd. When was the last
time you visited the orbital service station? Spacecraft HAVE to be built to the
strictest tolerances or else they turn into very expensive lumps of junk. If Ford or
any other car company use the same tolerances and QC, we would all be walking to
work. Near perfection cost more money than you'll save in your lifetime, don't kid
yourself.

Sven

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:24:17 -0500
From: "Jack Bowell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Pics

Thanks for the tip on the photos everyone! This site has some really neat
photos of other vehicles too!

Thanks Mark for this cool site....I bookmarked this one!
Jack

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Some 1999 F150 pics available at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wieckphoto.com/Auto/FORD_MOTOR_COMPANY/1999_Models/




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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:47:42 -0700
From: "vossdanpam"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Cooper Tires

I have used Cooper tires for over a decade on my F250 SC 4x4 to haul a
camper and tow snowmobiles in the mountains. The tread design on their LT
line is great on packed snow and ice. Pushed 18" of snow all loaded for a
weekend of sledding with pretty good results. Cooper has a web site if you
want to look up the specs on your tire. I'm trying my first set of
Goodyears this time around on my 4x4 class C motorhome. Just couldn't
resist the aggressive look of the AT/S.
Dan
Seattle
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:06:23 -0500
From: "Roy E. Springer"
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 Super Duty Wheels - Cast/Forged

Re: 99 Super Duty SRW

"Deluxe" Aluminum wheels come with XLT PEP
"Premium" Aluminum wheels come with Lariat PEP

Was looking at the 99's, and someone remarked that the XLT wheels appear to
be "forged aluminum", and the Lariat wheels appear to be "cast aluminum",
and that the XLT wheels would therefore be stronger and less susceptible to
damage. Could this be true?

A related question: are you serious 4 wheelers out there seeing damaged
stock wheels, and if so what wheels are you using?

Thanks in advance,

Roy

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:29:00 -0700
From: "."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quality

I sometimes WONDER???????
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Sven Setterdahl
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quality


>> Cars are manufactured for profit, therefore they have to appeal to the
users
>> both in longevity and functionality. If either of the two latter
conditions
>> are not met then there will be NO sales, no cars, and no profit.
>>
>
>Ok, what exactly is your point, other than to argue every point made by
someone
>else? Yes, in a perfect world QC wouldn't even exist because everything
would be
>perfect. When you find that perfect world let the rest of us know. This
is why
>there is such a thing as QC. Things aren't perfect, and people aren't
perfect.
>You've never made a mistake? You think quality control engineers don't
make
>mistakes? I feel sorry for anybody that buys your product, or works under
you, since
>you think your world is the right and only world. I'm glad you've read all
about
>"Total Quality Control" and know what it is.
>
>BTW, your mention of QC in the space program was a little absurd. When was
the last
>time you visited the orbital service station? Spacecraft HAVE to be built....


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