97up-list-digest Wednesday, September 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 201



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Picture of '99 Expedition
FTE 97up - Fw: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
Re: FTE 97up - Fw: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
Re: FTE 97up - Picture of '99 Expedition
FTE 97up - 1999 Info
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Ordering Question
FTE 97up - F250-350 SD engine preference?
Re: FTE 97up - F250-350 SD engine preference?
FTE 97up - 1999 Brochures
FTE 97up - Side Mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Picture of '99 Expedition
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Anti-SPAM
FTE 97up - ADMIN: More on spam... please read.
FTE 97up - F150 engine question

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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 98 11:29:05 -0400
From: "Pierre Smith"
Subject: FTE 97up - Picture of '99 Expedition

Does anybody know of a website that has a picture of the new '99
Expeditions? I can't find any anywhere. I understand there is a new grill
and I'm anxious to see what Ford came up with. (I liked the old grill, so
I'm a little nervous 'cause I want to order a '99). Thanks.

Pierre

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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:44:14 -0000
From: "John R. Mohme"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fw: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR

- -----Original Message-----
From: John R. Mohme
To: jes vol.com
Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR


>Jim:
>
>I agree about the Dodge V-10, what I said was "available with more
>horsepower, more torque,...". The Power Stroke still provides more torque
>than the Dodge at much better efficiency. Ford seems to have taken a
>different course with their V-10, giving them a mid range engine rather
than
>a "Big Block" gas guzzler. (Incidentally, my 250SD, 5.4L now Dyno's out at
>278 hp and 372 lb.'s after adding a K & N, a two-chamber Flowmaster with
>duals and a Superchip. Still gets 18+ on the highway and 16+ in town
>(unless I stomp it).)
>
>Thanks for your response, "see you" on the next show and keep up the
>excellent coverage.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Scoutten
>To: jrmohme gte.net
>Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 1:14 PM
>Subject: Re: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
>
>
>>John:
>>
>>Simple explanation: that was a re-run show that was produced before the
>F-250 was
>>introduced. Of course, you're also wrong about horsepower and torque.
The
>V-10
>>Dodge is still the stongest.
>>
>>Jim Scoutten
>>Motor Trend TV
>>
>>MTLetters aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 8/30/98 3:07:46 PM, jrmohme gte.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Name: John R. Mohme
>>> Address: 11215 McMullen Loop, Riverview, FL
>>> Phone: 813-671-9255
>>> E-mail: jrmohme gte.net
>>> Just viewed your weekly edition of MT TV, generally the best of the
"auto
>>> info" shows around, and am curious as to your presentation of the Dodge
>Ram 4
>>> x 4 as the biggest of it's class. Seems you have accidently overlooked
>the SD
>>> Fords, available with more horsepower, more torque, more interior room,
>better
>>> ground clearance, larger beds, more towing capacity, etc.
>>>
>>> Please explain the misrepresentation.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> John R. Mohme
>>>
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>>> Subject: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
>>> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:03:03 "GMT"
>>> From: "jrmohme gte.net"
>>> To:
>>>
>>> Date: 8/30/98
>>> Name: John R. Mohme
>>> Address: 11215 McMullen Loop, Riverview, FL
>>> Phone: 813-671-9255
>>> E-mail: jrmohme gte.net
>>> Just viewed your weekly edition of MT TV, generally the best of the
"auto
>>> info" shows around, and am curious as to your presentation of the Dodge
>Ram 4
>>> x 4 as the biggest of it's class. Seems you have accidently overlooked
>the SD
>>> Fords, available with more horsepower, more torque, more interior room,
>better
>>> ground clearance, larger beds, more towing capacity, etc.
>>>
>>> Please explain the misrepresentation.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> John R. Mohme
>>
>>
>>
>

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:02:13 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fw: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR

You just gotta love showing somebody up, and then turning around and
doing it again! And the V-10 isn't really a mid-range engine. It
does have more horses and torque than the 460 it replaced.

Love my v-10 SD,
Chad

John R. Mohme wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John R. Mohme
> To: jes vol.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: MT ONLINE - LETTER TO THE EDITOR
>
> >Jim:
> >
> >I agree about the Dodge V-10, what I said was "available with more
> >horsepower, more torque,...". The Power Stroke still provides more torque
> >than the Dodge at much better efficiency. Ford seems to have taken a
> >different course with their V-10, giving them a mid range engine rather
> than
> >a "Big Block" gas guzzler. (Incidentally, my 250SD, 5.4L now Dyno's out at
> >278 hp and 372 lb.'s after adding a K & N, a two-chamber Flowmaster with
> >duals and a Superchip. Still gets 18+ on the highway and 16+ in town
> >(unless I stomp it).)
> >
> >Thanks for your response, "see you" on the next show and keep up the
> >excellent coverage.
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:20:56 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Picture of '99 Expedition

1999 Expedition pics & changes for 1999 can be seen at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www4.viaweb.com/bobp/1999expedition.html

Pierre Smith wrote:
>
> Does anybody know of a website that has a picture of the new '99
> Expeditions? I can't find any anywhere. I understand there is a new grill
> and I'm anxious to see what Ford came up with. (I liked the old grill, so
> I'm a little nervous 'cause I want to order a '99). Thanks.
>
> Pierre
>
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:26:01 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Info

The following site has details and pics of 99 Fords ...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www4.viaweb.com/bobp/whatsnewfor99.html
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:00:02 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Ordering Question

After the Vehicle order conformation they'll get a Dealer Order Receipt
Acknoldgemet (DORA) and this locks in the options and adds price protection.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Murin
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 8:35 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Ordering Question


Recently I placed an order for a 1999 F350 PSD with a local
dealership. At that time I received a printout labeled "VEHICLE ORDER
CONFIRMATION." Everything appears to be correct as far as the desired
model and options being specified. What I am wondering is whether
there is anything else I should request from the dealer to verify that
everything is in order. They are saying it will probably take 3 to 4
months to get the truck (but they aren't making any promises.) I
would hate to find out 4 months from now that something got screwed up
and have to start all over again.

Thanks in advance.
Jim Murin


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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:40:07 -0400
From: Ian Slade
Subject: FTE 97up - F250-350 SD engine preference?

Those of you who have the new Super Duty F250 or F350 std cab 4x4.... What engine do you have and what do you think?
Is the 5.4L enough power? How many have the V-10?


- -Ian

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:05:04 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250-350 SD engine preference?

Is the 5.4 enough power? Sure.
But let's ask youself some additional questions:

- - how much load will you carry or tow? now or in the future?
- - Will you be driving flat, hills, city streets?
- - Is performance an issue - never, sometimes, all the time?
Unloaded, loaded...

- - Is fuel economy an issue.?
- - Is fuel cost an issue?
- - Is engine longevity an issue?
- - Is drive train longevity an issue?
- - Is engine cost/maintennance cost an issue.?
- - How cost sensitive are you now?

When you finally answer these questions, you'll get yourself
into a long way on figuring out the engine, transmission, and final gear ratio.
You'll get way better answers vs. questions too :-).

Oh, and don't forget the Power Stroke engine :-). Too much
fun...

- -john

Ian Slade wrote:

> Those of you who have the new Super Duty F250 or F350 std cab 4x4.... What engine do you have and what do you think?
> Is the 5.4L enough power? How many have the V-10?
>
> -Ian
>
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:11:34 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Brochures

I got in 1999 brochures for Ranger, Expedition, Explorer, Windstar,
Econoline, Taurus, Escort, and Crown Vic today. (F-150 came in earlier).
Most dealers should have them or get them in the next week or so.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:07:00 -0500
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - Side Mirrors

Has anyone replaced their chrome side mirrors with color keyed mirrors to
match their trucks color? This is an option with the special appearance
package. If so, can you just replace the chrome or do you have to replace
the entire mirror?

Jack



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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:08:45 EDT
From: F150DML aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Picture of '99 Expedition

I work for Perimeter Ford and if you want a full brochure give me your address
and I'll UPS you one ASAP. The new grill is larger,the bumper is more car
like and the fog lights are smaller. On the inside they changed the doors and
the radio display is diffrent. Other than that it is the same. Oh, they also
offer diffrent style wheels in '99.
Regards
David
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:01:47 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Anti-SPAM

A vendor has just recently cruised by our site and harvested email
addresses from the pictorial and is sending unsolicited email (spam)
to list members. They've just been chastised about it. If it
continues, I'll announce who they are to the lists so you'll know
who to stay away from.

Last night, an automated web email address harvester hit our site
and nearly brought it down. I fought with the stupid thing for 4
hours because it was stuck cycling through our shopping cart pages.
The web logs were building up faster than I could remove them.

Due to these two recent episodes, I'm going to revert back to a
policy I used to have on the web site: all email addresses on the
site will now have *spam-remove* in the middle of the address. This
will help prevent address harvesting.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:47:29 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: More on spam... please read.

I just did some investigation and found who hit our server last night.
Check this out..... and read it all before you send any nasty email
to the spammer if you're one of the recipients.

Our logs indicated that IP 209.67.161.130 was the culprit. I did a
lookup and that resolved to globalpac.com

The spammer, John's F100s, was using kminet.net for the email server.
Did a lookup on kminet.net and guess what? Its hosted by globalpac.com!

Do not jump down John's F100s for this. They were, in many ways, a
victim, just like Ford Truck Enthusiasts and many of the list members.
The email address harvester from kminet.net caused major damage to my
shopping cart database and its going to take a while to rebuild.
Kminet.net is getting billed for all my time fighting off their attack.

I just got done talking to Diana Wall, of John's F100s. She was
pretty distraught. She was told by the marketers at kminet.net that
the mailing list they provided contained addresses of people who had
requested Ford truck products. As is sometimes the case, an innocent
victim can have their reputation ruined by the deceit of a spam
company. Diana had no idea that kminet.net just harvested the addresses
from our site, and who knows how many other Ford truck sites. She
didn't know it was spam, she thought the people wanted the emails.

For the record, Diana extends her deepest apologies. She offered to
email the people who were spammed but was afraid that it might make
matters worse. John's F100 has a good reputation in the classic
Ford truck community and I don't think this incident should change
that. Please send complaints to kminet.net as they are the true culprits.
I'm preparing an invoice right now to kminet.net for all the time I
spent last night fighting this off.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:17:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sandman
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 engine question

I am eventually planning to get an F-150 and had a question about
engine/transmission combos. Why is the 5.4L engine offered with an auto
only? It will probally be a couple of years until I get a new truck, so I
was hoping maybe it would be offered by then. I'm not really interested
in a lightning, since I would like a supercab. I have always liked manual....


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