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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Battery Saver
FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
FTE 97up - Super Duty Graphite leather
FTE 97up - Super Duty 6 speed
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Graphite leather
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
FTE 97up - 5.4 L cold engine knock
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel
FTE 97up - ADMIN: T-shirt design
Re: FTE 97up - Ramp!!

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:02:36 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Battery Saver

>>The battery saver is a device which kills power to accessories that were
>>left on in the truck after 40 mins. this includes the headlights,
>>domelight, etc. The boss is right.
>>====================================

> How can I get one of these?

One of what? A battery saver, or a Boss who is right?

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:22:03 -0500
From: daryl.rue juno.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

Help...

I need to make my first oil change on my 99 CC 4x4 Longbed f250 diesel.
I am not a mechanic but do not think I want to pay $90 for each oil
change. I have a couple of questions.

What kind of oil?

What kind of filter?

Synthetics or slick 50type addittives?

Hints or suggestions?

Is there anything else that should be changed each oil change?

Does anyone not do the change themself? If so what price is reasonable?


Specail tools needed?

I have to sample the oil for testing since my engine had major problems
the first 2000 miles to see if there are any internal problems. What is
the best way to go about that?

Thanks in advance, my truck will appreciate it, I hope.

Daryl
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:52:36 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

> I have a couple of questions.

> What kind of oil?

International dealers sell Chevron Delo, so that's what I use. Shell
Rotella is another good brand.

> What kind of filter?

You can't go wrong using either Motorcraft or Fleetguard. Ford will
use the Motorcraft, and the International dealer will use the Fleetguard.

> Is there anything else that should be changed each oil change?

It probably wouldn't hurt to drain the water separator.

> Does anyone not do the change themself? If so what price is reasonable?

Figure on about $1.25 per quart for oil, and about $15 or so for a filter.
Labor will be whatever the going rate is in your area. Anything over
1/2 hour labor will be pure profit for the shop.

> Specail tools needed?

A box-end or open-end wrench for the drain plug, a strap-type filter
wrench wouldn't hurt, and a funnel to prevent spilling the new oil. Oh
yeah - some rags for cleanup when you're done.

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:54:21 -0500
From: Jeff Tarant
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

daryl.rue juno.com wrote:

> Help...
>
> I need to make my first oil change on my 99 CC 4x4 Longbed f250 diesel.
> I am not a mechanic but do not think I want to pay $90 for each oil
> change. I have a couple of questions.
>
> What kind of oil?

Rotella-T 15/40 you will need 16 quarts - trust me!

>
>
> What kind of filter?

Motorcraft - I forget the number off the top of my head...FL1995???

>
>
> Synthetics or slick 50type addittives?

personal preference - I have never used them

>
>
> Hints or suggestions?

be sure you have a big enough drain pan!!

>
>
> Is there anything else that should be changed each oil change?

Check the Chemical content of your coolant every 15,000 miles or sooner!

>
>
> Does anyone not do the change themself? If so what price is reasonable?

rumor has it that Ford has some special deal for the diesels -

>
>
> Specail tools needed?

LARGE oil filter wrench!!!!

>
>
> I have to sample the oil for testing since my engine had major problems
> the first 2000 miles to see if there are any internal problems. What is
> the best way to go about that?

major problems???? like what??

there are several posts regarding all these issues on the ford diesel page
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/.conf.pwrstrk*.jlconf
check the conference 2
and the 99+

>
>
> Thanks in advance, my truck will appreciate it, I hope.
>
> Daryl
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:39:18 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

>>What kind of oil?
Must be rated CG-4, synthetics are good (if you want to spend the money) but
don't switch until the engine is broken in. Power Strokes take 14 quarts of
oil when changing oil and filter (They hold 17 total but 3 quarts won't
drain) Check dipstick after oil change to see if it reads correctly
(sometimes dipsticks are wrong)
>
>What kind of filter?
>Motorcraft FL-1995

>Is there anything else that should be changed each oil change?
When we change oil in the shop we check Air filter (gauge on Diesel),
Coolant, Power steering, Washer fluid, Transmission Fluid, Differntial and
transfer case fluid levels, and all lights
>
>Does anyone not do the change themself? If so what price is reasonable?
On gasoline cars we charge $18.60 (20.10 on gas trucks) For a Diesel we
charge about $46.00. Watch for being charged excessively for toping off
fluids. Once in a while this is neccisary, but this is where many people
try to make extra money on oil changes. Also please note we are in central
Iowa (where prices are low) and our labor rate is $33.50. Most places are
much higher than this so will probably be higher on service prices.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:28:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

I agree with . . . "International dealers sell Chevron Delo, so that's what
I use. Shell Rotella is another good brand."

I also agree with the kind of filter suggested: ". . . Motorcraft or
Fleetguard. Ford will use the Motorcraft, and the International dealer will
use the Fleetguard."

But, the suggested cost of filters can be improved upon.

Murray's, Wal-Mart, etc, usually sell the Ford filter for between $9.50 and
$10.95. Currently, Murray's has a case of Rotella 15-40, (six gallons), on
sale for $29.94. That's about as good as it currently gets. In Wisconsin and
parts of Illinois this week Fleet-Farm and perhaps Farm-Fleet also have
Rotella on sale for that price. Sometimes, Pep Boys will do that will on oil
prices.

Don't forget to have a drain pan or container that is large enough to hold
14 quarts--not six quarts like the Ford 460 engine.

When I refill, I put in 14 qts. and the oil is at the proper level on the
dipstick.

Once in a blue-green-hello moon or lifetime, the previous rubber gasket on
the used oil filter will stick to the engine when the oil filter comes off.
If one does not see this, one can put the new filter over the old gasket and
feel like it is tight. But, you will wish you didn't put the new filter over
the old gasket, because oil will squirt out over the place when the engine
is started.

When I did this I thought I was the boob of the year; but, the auto
mechanics told me that everyone makes that mistake at least once. So, be
certain the old rubber gasket came away from the engine with the old filter.
If it didn't and you don't notice, you will soon realize what happened.
Furthermore, rub oil on the new filter's gasket before putting the new one
on. It will seal and tighten better that way.

Changing oil is no big deal and is not difficult. With practice, one can
even get pretty good at not getting much oil over one's self--or the floor
or ground. But, still don't wear your best suit when changing oil. Practice
does not make one that good!

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:41:39 EDT
From: LanceLana aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Graphite leather

I have been holding off on ordering the PSD 250 because the Lariat has not
been available with Graphite colored leather. Is there any indication that
Ford will offer this color in the near future?

Lance S.
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:46:15 EDT
From: LanceLana aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty 6 speed

What kind of performance, ie, ease of shifting, fuel mileage and overall
satisfaction are individuals getting with their 6 speed PSDs? Am still
uncertain about ordering the auto or 6 speed.

Lance S.
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:09:10 -0500
From: Jeff Tarant
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Graphite leather

If they do I will kick their ass - I have a lariat now and was forced to drop
the Silver accent color I wanted because of that Prestigious Lariat package -
and I did not want leather seats, let alone in saddlewood... but aside from
that the truck is GREAT!!

LanceLana aol.com wrote:

> I have been holding off on ordering the PSD 250 because the Lariat has not
> been available with Graphite colored leather. Is there any indication that
> Ford will offer this color in the near future?
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:33:40 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

Just some advice...

There are many truck owners who enjoy maintaining their own vehicles.
Someone who "knows what he/she is doing" can save themselves money and
learn a lot about vehicles and have fun doing it. I am NOT one of those
people, i.e. I wouldn't make much of a mechanic. Today's vehicles are
so much more complicated than those made when I was young (in the
60's). At one point in time I changed my own oil to "save a few
dollars". Eventually however I found the job tedious and I sometimes
missed changing/maintaining other components that should have been
checked regularly when my oil changes were done and those omissions cost
me dearly. Examples that come readily to mind are missed brake and tire
inspections which when left unattended/ uninspected cost me a bundle
(over $2,000 in just 2 incidents alone). I.e.. there are many more
"routine" maintenance items that should be inspected regularly. Since
purchasing my first NEW vehicle about 20 years ago, I have found that by
visiting my Ford/Mercury dealer regularly for oil changes (and paying a
little more) I was able to develop an excellent rapport with the service
department personnel. Whenever problems occur I have them fixed at the
same time as my oil change ensuring the vehicle is regularly maintained
at peak operating efficiency. Whenever a problem occurs my Ford dealer
gives me "the benefit of the doubt" since he maintains the vehicle and
knows it is being maintained to "factory specs". It costs me less an
$80 per year vs doing the oil changes myself and I believe I get
excellent value for this money through an enhanced relationship with my
dealer and a better running vehicle than I can maintain myself.

In summary, if you are not "mechanically inclined", consider having your
Ford dealer or an other qualified mechanic change your oil, particularly
if you have a good dealer in your area. In my experience, proper
maintenance by qualified technicians pays off in overall reduced
operating costs and a better deal at trade-in time - they have all the
vehicle maintenance records. Just my opinion.



daryl.rue juno.com wrote:
>
> Help...
>
> I need to make my first oil change on my 99 CC 4x4 Longbed f250 diesel.
> I am not a mechanic but do not think I want to pay $90 for each oil
> change. I have a couple of questions.
>
> What kind of oil?
>
> What kind of filter?
>
> Synthetics or slick 50type addittives?
>
> Hints or suggestions?
>
> Is there anything else that should be changed each oil change?
>
> Does anyone not do the change themself? If so what price is reasonable?
>
> Specail tools needed?
>
> I have to sample the oil for testing since my engine had major problems
> the first 2000 miles to see if there are any internal problems. What is
> the best way to go about that?
>
> Thanks in advance, my truck will appreciate it, I hope.
>
> Daryl
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:06:25 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

> ...I have found that by visiting my Ford/Mercury dealer regularly for
> oil changes (and paying a little more) I was able to develop an excellent
> rapport with the service department personnel.

That is all well and good, but some dealers charge a bit more than "...a
little more...". For instance, the last time I checked at Sunnyvale
Ford in Sunnyvale, Ca they charged $95 to change the oil in a 1990 F350.
That's for 10 quarts of Pennzoil 15W-40 and a Motorcraft filter. I do
the same job, except I use Chevron Delo, for about $20. Since I change
the oil about 4 times per year, I do an entire year's worth of changes for
less money than Sunnyvale Ford wanted for a single change.

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:14:29 -0500
From: "Jack Lubinski"
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 L cold engine knock

Chuck Neild asked a question regarding cold engine knock with his 5.4 L
Triton and if others on the news group have further information.

My 97' LD 250 4x4 has the same problem when the engine is first started up
(cold). Aside from the 62 chevy (with bad lifters) sound for the first 20 -
30 seconds I have experienced no problems with engine power or performance.

My dealer has agreed to replace the motor when ford knows the problem has
DEFINITELY been solved. No word mentioned about using a re-build when the
replacement will be done. I won't accept a re-built engine, I hope others
who read this don't either.

Too bad you didn't hear about this nasty problem earlier. I hear
(unconfirmed rumours) that Ford has solved cold engine knock on their 99
model trucks and sport utilities with the 5.4 L triton.

Good luck!


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:08:58 -0400
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change Diesel

Definitely sounds excessive all right!!!

The Hepburn wrote:
>
> > ...I have found that by visiting my Ford/Mercury dealer regularly for
> > oil changes (and paying a little more) I was able to develop an excellent
> > rapport with the service department personnel.
>
> That is all well and good, but some dealers charge a bit more than "...a
> little more...". For instance, the last time I checked at Sunnyvale
> Ford in Sunnyvale, Ca they charged $95 to change the oil in a 1990 F350.
> That's for 10 quarts of Pennzoil 15W-40 and a Motorcraft filter. I do
> the same job, except I use Chevron Delo, for about $20. Since I change
> the oil about 4 times per year, I do an entire year's worth of changes for
> less money than Sunnyvale Ford wanted for a single change.
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:23:11 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: T-shirt design

I had mentioned a couple of weeks ago that we would have
a prize pack for the winning t-shirt design. I forgot
to announce what the prize would be. It will include the
following:

a. free FTE t-shirt, hot off the press
b. 2 FTE window stickers
c. 1 meg web site space (http://www.ford-trucks.com/yourname)
for 1 year
d. email address (yourname ford-trucks.com) for 1 year. If you
already have one, you can have a second or have your 2nd
year for free.

If we can think of more, we'll add it.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:38:23 -0700
From: dwhipkey gte.net
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ....

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