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97up-list-digest Saturday, April 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 098 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 97up - Recall 97 Up Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread RE: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread -Reply RE: FTE 97up - End of the Thread Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread Re: FTE 97up - Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! RE: FTE 97up - Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! FTE 97up - Cat Replacement Pipe Q Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? FTE 97up - airbag switch on f150 Re: FTE 97up - RECALL ACTION Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets FTE 97up - Re: Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! FTE 97up - Lower Door Weatherstripping. Just Ask and You Shall Receive. Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets FTE 97up - Stereo system Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. FTE 97up - SD Ballance out. Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread Re: FTE 97up - airbag switch on f150 RE: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread RE: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement Pipe Q Re: FTE 97up - Re: Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! FTE 97up - Fwd: Noise Re: FTE 97up - RECALL ACTION Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread Re: FTE 97up - RECALL ACTION Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? Re: FTE 97up - Fwd: Noise Re: FTE 97up - Fwd: Noise FTE 97up - oil drain plug Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:45:47 -0400 From: "John Luft" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Recall 97 Up >>> "John W. Barron" 04/15/99 01:46PM wrote: >>> I will wager with anyone that the dealer notice did not include instructions on how to tell a "good" cable from a "bad" one!. Just cut them all, if customer comes in and makes an inquiry about the recall. Otherwise, wait 'till parts come in. Remember, not a single cruise control has "stuck" because of the problem Ford discovered. - -------------------------------------------- FWIW, I had my 250 SD CC in for its first oil change and asked them to check the cruise control. When I picked up the truck they said they were required to disconnect the cable for "liability reasons". On my way home (I had to try it out) I found it was still working. I called and they said the cable part number I have isn't affected by the recall. I entered my VIN at the web site that was posted here a while back and it came back as not being affected. However, I did get a letter from Ford about the recall. Given all this, who would you believe?? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:59:21 -0500 From: "C. K. Hartline" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. Don't they go up every year? C.K. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:47:29 -0400 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread Agreed. My V-10 (F-350 superduty) has only 1,200 miles on it now, but the motor is completely different than it was at 300 miles. Much more pull and faster reving. Keith >But then again, I've heard that the Tritons are VERY tight when new. > >Rob >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:10:02 -0500 From: George Rigney Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? In 1972 the car manufacturers started using net horsepower, which they defined as being measured behind the transmission with ALL accessories running. Somewhere along they way it started getting fuzzy, and now I don't know what the ratings mean, since they simply say 'horsepower' without reference to 'net' or 'brake'. I think the most honest way to look at performance is to compare 1/4 miles, 0-60 times, etc. I don't think you lose as much to your accessories these days as you did in the past. 15 hp sounds reasonable to me. George 1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W 1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302 1999 F250 SD CC V10 - -----Original Message----- From: CERESJohnG aol.com [mailto:CERESJohnG aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:45 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? The b is for brake as in brake horsepower. The earliest dynomometers were called prony brakes as a type of design. The idea was that you but a brake shoe aginst a rotating shaft hooked to the engine and you measured the amount of torque needed to keep the brake from rotating. You kept dialing up the torgue until you could no longer keep the engine at that rpm setting despite throttle setting. Torque and rpm will give you HP. It was called bhp. The friction brake worked OK for 25, 35 hp engines, Today horspower is measured on larger dynomometers, generally tied to a hydraulic pump wher you measure gpm and pressure or a big generator with a resistive load. In any case the the principle is the same. You hold the engine at a constant speed and keep adding load until it won't hold a given rpm. It's still officially called brake hp though. And by the way, it's usually measured at the flywheel possibly with no accessories. Ford may be quoting the number with accessories or may be quoting it at the transmisson output or even at the real wheels though I doubt it. The mfrs used to quote raw engine bhp with no alternato/generator or even the fan or water pump to get higher ratings. They caught a lot of critcism for that and standardized the vehicle hp measurementto include at least some of the support hardware. I suspect that is where the difference is. Fords might more closly represent available HP while the Navistar number is the peak hp the engine is capable of producing. Just a guess but 15hp is about the difference I would expect to see in that situation. John G == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:18:40 -0400 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? Matt Adams wrote: > > Has anyone installed a second battery into their f-150's? If so what type, > and where did you mount it? I am installing two more sets of lights into my > truck, and I have the feeling I have entirely too much attached to my > battery (I have my 350 watt amp, will be up to three sets of lights, and my > topper, or can I have that much all attached to the stock battery without > any problems? The lights I have now are Hella 550's, the lights I will be > installing are PIAA 520 Fog LIghts and PIAA 910 Driving Lights (both with > remotes). > > Matt > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Matt, It isn't the battery that you must attend to it is the alternator. If your alternator doesn't put out enough to cover the increased drain from your accessories you will run down your battery (ies). How many watts are the lights you have and the ones you plan to install? Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:17:07 -0400 From: GEORGE CROLL Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread -Reply I was under the impression that the 6.8 was a 5.4 with two extra cylinders on it. If the 5.4 got improved heads to go from 235 to 260 HP is that how the V-10 went to 300 HP in 2000. If so I guess it would take a lot to upgrade a 99 V-10 to the 2000 specs. Too bad if that is true. thanks for the Truck Trend info. In rear wheel dyno testing do you use the direct drive gear when performing the test, first gear or what? does the rear end gear ratio matter? George Croll EPA-OAR-ARD (202)564-0162 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:42:58 -0500 From: "Chris Patrick" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - End of the Thread > the affected woman would be harmed/killed but the decision to leave a > /known/ safety problem in place that could kill others is a bit beyond > comparison. > david I love all this discussion about safety. is there anyone here that can claim to: a) ALWAYS WEAR THIER SEATBELTS, AND MAKE ALL PASSENGERS WEAR SEATBELTS 100% OF THE TIME WITH NO EXCEPTIONS? b) NEVER ALLOW PASSENGERS IN THE BED AREA OF THIER TRUCK, AT ANY SPEED OVER ANY DISTANCE, EVEN ACROSS THE YARD? c) HAVE **NOTHING** IN THE BED OF THIER TRUCK THAT IS NOT TIED DOWN SECURELY, NO TIRES, NO BAGS OF SAND, ETC... (these things are VERY dangerous when in an ACCIDENT...) d) ALWAYS WALK AROUND THIER TRUCK BEFORE THEY DRIVE IT ANYWHERE, 100% OF THE TIME, NO EXCEPTIONS, AND INSPECT THE TIRES, RUNNING GEAR, BRAKES, FLUIDS, CONDITION OF THE BODY, ETC, EVERY TIME, NO EXCEPTIONS. e) NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT, EVER, REGARDLESS OF THE EXCUSE. f) NEVER DRIVE IN THE RAIN, OR SNOW, OR AT NIGHT, OR ANY CONDITION OTHER THAN PERFECTLY CLEAN,DRY PAVEMENT, ON A BRIGHT SUNNY DAY (BUT NOT INTO THE SUN WHERE GLARE COULD BE A PROBLEM). each of these incidents is (statistically) at least 500 times, and in some cases 15000 times more likely to be the cause of an accident, injury, or fatality TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE DRIVER, according to several industry sources(not Ford) than a mechanical defect from the factory... SOOOOOOOO unless you can answer YES to all the items above, please shut your pie-hole about the safety of the recall situation.. and if you CAN answer yes to all of the above, please kindly unsubscribe, and go back to the retirement home you escaped from. thank you, and lets get back to discussing trucks. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:37:55 -0500 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread Interesting that the same auto in the PSD - and V10, is also slated for Ford's new F-150 Lightning, a 360 horse power supercharged beast! Also, one week into break-in on my new PSD, and this thing continues to surprise me. Just starting to "play" with it on the country roads and long hills in my area of northern Illinois. And it's learning: at stop signs when I touch the accelerator pedal I can sense its wanting to go . Reminiscent of breaking in a horse. Or maybe I need to stop using diesel fuel as an after shave lotion? Anyway, having fun with my new pony, Charles. GEORGE CROLL wrote: > I think this is > fine for the PSD which has torque to spare but it might help explain the rather anemic rear wheel HP of the V-10 > when using the same auto. I guess the good news is that the V-10 will never break the auto designed to hold up to > the PSD. > > George Croll > EPA-OAR-ARD > (202)564-0162 > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:42:27 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! No, I've never heard of this. He must not have put many miles on the car or the dealer probably could have really goten him for devaluation of the vehilce. Nathan - ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Abraham To: Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 4:12 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! > I thought this true story was interesting enough to share, > > A guy that works at the same company I do had recently > purchased a new Ford vehicle (not sure of model), on a > Saturday and returned it the following Monday because he > just didn't like it. Nothing wrong with it, just didn't like it. > > When he dropped it off on the dealer's lot and informed them > that he had changed his mind and did not want this car and > was returning it. The dealer said "you can't do that", and he > replied "who yes I can". Then the dealer said "if you leave here > without that car we'll have it towed to your address and bill you > for it", which he then said "go ahead it's your now", and walked. > > He then stopped at his credit union and had the check for the > down payment canceled. > > About a month later he received his first statement from Ford > financing. He called them and informed them that he decided > against buying the vehicle and return the following Monday > (by Illinois law dealers must be closed on Sunday). And that > was the end of it. > > I never heard of returning a car, everything else but not a car. > Apparently, Illinois' also has a law that gives a buyer up to > five working days to return anything that they've purchased. > > Nathan, did you ever get somebody like this at your dealership? > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:01:10 -0500 From: "Chris Patrick" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! > In a message dated 99-04-15 17:18:43 EDT, you write: > > > its 3 days to reconsider here in FL check with the STATE laws regarding it. MOST states have a loophole of 3-7 days. you ARE however responsible for milage, and damages. in Missouri, you have 7 days, but its a fight to get the dealers to do anything. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:15:59 -0600 From: "Matus, Scott A" Subject: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement Pipe Q Has anyone installed the Cat replacement pipe on their pre Dec.7 PSD Long bed CrewCab? I initially started to investigate the purchase of the pipe before Nathan supplied us all with the part numbers. I purchased a pipe that my parts guy said would fit, It does not fit. After receiving Nathan's part number list I find that the part number I received is not correct for my truck. Build date 9-17-98 F350 172"wb Crewcab. They sold me the pipe for a 176"wb part number - XC3Z 5A212 GA . I find the pipe being too Short, Yes I said "Too Short". My GA pipe measures +/- 69 inches in length from Longest end of the bolt flange to the other end. My truck requires the pipe to be closer to 70+ Inches. It would be an inch short inside the flange and u-bolt pressure would not hold it in. Is it possible that the 176"wb Chassis CrewCab use a shorter pipe than a 172"wb Longbed CrewCab? Can someone supply the length (Procedure described above) for part number - XC3Z 5A212 CA for 172" wb? Could I get the measurement from someone with a Post Dec.7 built truck? Thank you for your help, Scott == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:17:48 EDT From: ATUMLAW aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? In a message dated 4/15/99 8:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CERESJohnG aol.com writes: Some of the shops that specialize in super big auto stereos---- 1000 watt stuff you know the Honda Civic going down thr road going THUMPA Thumpa Thumpa and you can see the sheet metal flexing. >> I have a pretty serious stereo in my truck and sometimes have problems with getting enough juice for it, with the lights and a/c and stuff. I had read about some Super Duties having dual alternators. I have the 5.4 L in my 99 F-150, could I purchase another alternator and use the brackets and belt from a Super Duty eqiupped truck to up my juice. Thanks, Atilla Babacan == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:18:42 -0700 From: "Rivera, Max" Subject: FTE 97up - airbag switch on f150 I have heard many different opionions on use of the on and off switch for disabling the airbag for small children. I would like to know if there are any experts out there what their recommendations, for a seven year old child. Should i disable or enable the airbag. I have heard that small people including adults can be hurt or killed. Thanks Maximo D. Rivera *Email mailto:max.rivera compaq.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:42:35 -0700 From: William Street Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RECALL ACTION The key words here being 'competent driver'. I agree with you regarding the dealer and his actions but 'competent driver' is somewhat of an oxymoron at least here in California. Bill JJ Thomas wrote: > I disagree. Any competent driver would know how to deal with a stuck > cruise control. I do not think the determination of a driver competency > belongs to the dealer, or their mechanics. The dealer was wrong to cut the > cable, and was dishonest for not telling the owner. > > -Julian == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:35:00 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? >From my experience running amateur radio equipment mobile, your best route is running 2 high capacity batteries (1000 CCA or larger). If your mainly in town (stop and go or a lot of sitting idling) it becomes another problem of not enough rpm's to maintain high alternator output. Just my .02 worth. ATUMLAW aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/15/99 8:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > CERESJohnG aol.com writes: > > > Some of the shops that specialize in super big auto stereos---- 1000 watt > stuff you know the Honda Civic going down thr road going THUMPA Thumpa > Thumpa and you can see the sheet metal flexing. >> > > I have a pretty serious stereo in my truck and sometimes have problems with > getting enough juice for it, with the lights and a/c and stuff. I had read > about some Super Duties having dual alternators. I have the 5.4 L in my 99 > F-150, could I purchase another alternator and use the brackets and belt from > a Super Duty eqiupped truck to up my juice. > > Thanks, > > Atilla Babacan > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:39:23 -0600 From: "Joseph L. Casey" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets 1999 F-350 Supercab, Lariet, dually with running boards does have weather stripping/gaskets on the bottom of the supercab doors. Roger J Hutflesz wrote: > F250, Diesel, long bed 1999, with no running boards. Did come with the > gaskets. > > Roger H. > > On Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:23:13 -0400 GEORGE CROLL > writes: > >Went to the local dealer and tried to get him to put gaskets on the > >bottom of my doors for free. While arguing with him > >we looked at all of the SD trucks on the lot. The only trucks without > >the gaskets are ones with factory running > >boards. The dealer "assumes" that the gaskets are not necesssary if > >the running boards are on the truck. Any truth > >to this??? > > > >George Croll > >EPA-OAR-ARD > >(202)564-0162 > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:53:05 -0700 From: "Jarchow, Jaye" Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! Same in Washington state. According to the Attorney General's web page, "Once you sing the contract, you own the car and are obligated to make all payments" By the way, Martial, do you really spell your name that way? >> >> We do not get any "cooling off period" in California. >> >> When you sign it is yours. >> >> Martial >Texas, it is the same -- you buy the truck, it is yours. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:04:11 -0400 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: FTE 97up - Lower Door Weatherstripping. Just Ask and You Shall Receive. I have a F-350 SuperDuty / XLT / SuperCab / Factory Running boards / V-10 / LongBed / etc. and just called my dealer, Acton Ford (Massachusetts). The parts guy said he would be glad to order me the lower weatherstrip pieces for the doors at no cost. Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph L. Casey To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:46 AM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets >1999 F-350 Supercab, Lariet, dually with running boards does have weather >stripping/gaskets on the bottom of the supercab doors. > >Roger J Hutflesz wrote: > >> F250, Diesel, long bed 1999, with no running boards. Did come with the >> gaskets. >> >> Roger H. >> >> On Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:23:13 -0400 GEORGE CROLL >> writes: >> >Went to the local dealer and tried to get him to put gaskets on the >> >bottom of my doors for free. While arguing with him >> >we looked at all of the SD trucks on the lot. The only trucks without >> >the gaskets are ones with factory running >> >boards. The dealer "assumes" that the gaskets are not necesssary if >> >the running boards are on the truck. Any truth >> >to this??? >> > >> >George Croll >> >EPA-OAR-ARD >> >(202)564-0162 >> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >> >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >> > >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:01:59 -0500 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets I'm hearing now that those with gaskets - and no running boards, aren't to crazy about the gaskets. Seem they're more trouble than worth. Apparently, they tend to freeze to the body in cold weather and tear out of the mounting holes as soon as the door is opened. Charles. Roger J Hutflesz wrote: > F250, Diesel, long bed 1999, with no running boards. Did come with the > gaskets. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:08:43 -0700 From: "Jarchow, Jaye" Subject: FTE 97up - Stereo system I just ordered my F-150 4x4 SB SC this week! Can't believe it. I spent over a year researching exactly what I wanted. Many thanks to the contributors to this newgroup who have provided so much helpful info. Question: Nathan, maybe you know. When you upgrade to the CD/AM/FM stereo, do you get any better speaker system than the standard cassette/AM/FM? My dealer just told me Ford is out of stock of the CD/AM/FM units, so I decided to order the standard unit and replace it with the CD from my car (which I will sell) rather than delay delivery of my truck. Am I getting jipped out of anything? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:51:04 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. Ask the dealer your going to buy from. Some might be willing to take the chance that it will come in at that time and if it comes in early will hold it for you. Your odds of this working are much better at a small dealer. Nathan - ----- Original Message ----- From: JJ Thomas To: Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:12 PM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. > Hi Nathan, > > I am looking at replacing my Ranger with a SD 4x4 about the end of August. > > My quandary is that I can not afford to pick up the truck until at least > August. Should I order now and hope that it does not come in early, or > should I wait till the summer? I live in Seattle, btw > > -Julian > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:14:17 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: FTE 97up - SD Ballance out. This info is for KC region, but gives an idea for national. Super Duty Balance out The region currently has 270 orders for 5.4L engines. We're allocated aprox. 150 5.4L engines, we have placed a priority 02 (region can prioritize 1-9, but 10 is the best a dealer can do). If a 5.4L order doesn't have a 02 priority it is a serious risk of being built. ------note the priority 02 part is for KC region other regions may not be doing this----- Premium alluminum wheels are also in short supply (Lariat SRW) with 335 retail orders and a regional allocation of 350 we will try to schedule these retails, but future retails will not be able to be scheduled. All other retails and commodities arae CURRENTLY in good shape, however, as we proceed through balance out other commodities will become serious risks. Retails will only be scheduled within allocation so make sure they are prioritzed correctly. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:07:23 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. I'm sure he didn't mislead you intentionaly. I thought we had a couple of months left to order (still do on most other vehilce lines), but all of the sudden they announced this. This will be all orders (Fleet quit a couple of weeks ago). Dealers will not be able to get Super Duty's except to dealer trade after balance out. Nathan - ----- Original Message ----- From: C. K. Hartline To: Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 5:18 PM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. > Nathan, this is very interesting, because I called a Ford dealer and was > told I could order a new Ford up until the first part of June a > factory order on the phone> ...Obviously they are gearing up to complete > retail builds to set up for next year's model...are they that far behind > that they quit giving dealers trucks two months before they quit taking > factory orders? This seems very very strange. > > C.K. > Saint Louis, Missouri > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:03:25 -0400 From: Chris Akers Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread GEORGE CROLL wrote: > One thing I have wondered is how much do you really lose in rear > wheel HP when using an automaitc vs using a manual. I assume that > the auto converts a lot of power to heat in the process while the manual I've seen that rear wheel dyno HP is generally 18-20% loss from the SAE NET horsepower with an automatic in 1:1 drive gear. Manual trannys are usually in the 15-17% ballpark... so the automatic will typically lose 3% more than the manual counterpart. I'm not sure about our truck automatic trannys - they may lose more power due to their heavy duty design. Rear gear ratio and even tires also will effect the rear wheel horsepower shown on a chassis dyno. Different dynos will also have slightly different numbers. Can you tell I'm not a huge dyno fan? Take it to the track - those numbers don't lie. :-) HTH, jC. '67 Camaro, '95 Z, '98 F150 - lugnutz.com - -- Chris Akers mailto:jca celotek.com Celotek Corporation phone:919-462-1900 x259 P.O. Box 14285 fax:919-462-1933 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.celotek.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:22:17 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - airbag switch on f150 Fords recomendation is that the airbag should be off for anyone under the age of 13. Nathan - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rivera, Max To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 9:18 AM Subject: FTE 97up - airbag switch on f150 > I have heard many different opionions on use of the on and off switch for > disabling the airbag for small children. I would like to know if there are > any experts out there what their recommendations, for a seven year old > child. Should i disable or enable the airbag. I have heard that small > people including adults can be hurt or killed. > > Thanks > > Maximo D. Rivera > *Email mailto:max.rivera compaq.com > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:31:38 -0500 From: "Chris Patrick" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread i dunno about the larger trucks, BUT on the 4.2 litre f150... i drove identical trucks, one with the mazda 5 speed, and one with the automatick.. THE AUTOMATIC IS A POOCH. extremely sluggish off the line, and slow through the gears. with the stick, the 4.2 is quite sporty. as to actual numbers, i dunno, but the "feel" between the two is completely different. i recently swapped a turbo 400 auto into my 360 powered jeep cj-8. at the REAR WHEELS, due to torque multiplication of the converter, my idle-1700 rpm TORQUE is actually greater.. but in the upper rpms, i lose as much as 17% at the rear wheels... > > GEORGE CROLL wrote: > > One thing I have wondered is how much do you really lose in rear > > wheel HP when using an automaitc vs using a manual. I assume that > > the auto converts a lot of power to heat in the process > while the manual > > I've seen that rear wheel dyno HP is generally 18-20% loss from the > SAE NET horsepower with an automatic in 1:1 drive gear. > Manual trannys > are usually in the 15-17% ballpark... so the automatic will typically > lose 3% more than the manual counterpart. I'm not sure about > our truck automatic trannys - they may lose more power due to > their heavy > duty design. Rear gear ratio and even tires also will effect the > rear wheel horsepower shown on a chassis dyno. Different dynos > will also have slightly different numbers. Can you tell I'm not > a huge dyno fan? Take it to the track - those numbers don't lie. :-) > > HTH, > jC. '67 Camaro, '95 Z, '98 F150 - lugnutz.com > -- > Chris Akers mailto:jca celotek.com > Celotek Corporation phone:919-462-1900 x259 > P.O. Box 14285 fax:919-462-1933 > Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.celotek.com > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:03:58 -0700 From: "Jeff Schapker" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement Pipe Q Picked up my pipe this mourning and I just finished installing it. Fits like a glove! The hardest part of the installation was separating the muffler and the intermediate pipe. With this part you would never know my truck came from the factory with a catalytic converter. It was definitely worth $76.00. The part numbers Nathan gave us are right on the money. Thanks again Nathan!!! Has anyone installed the Cat replacement pipe on their pre Dec.7 PSD Long bed CrewCab? I initially started to investigate the purchase of the pipe before Nathan supplied us all with the part numbers. I purchased a pipe that my parts guy said would fit, It does not fit. After receiving Nathan's part number list I find that the part number I received is not correct for my truck. Build date 9-17-98 F350 172"wb Crewcab. They sold me the pipe for a 176"wb part number - XC3Z 5A212 GA . I find the pipe being too Short, Yes I said "Too Short". My GA pipe measures +/- 69 inches in length from Longest end of the bolt flange to the other end. My truck requires the pipe to be closer to 70+ Inches. It would be an inch short inside the flange and u-bolt pressure would not hold it in. Is it possible that the 176"wb Chassis CrewCab use a shorter pipe than a 172"wb Longbed CrewCab? Can someone supply the length (Procedure described above) for part number - XC3Z 5A212 CA for 172" wb? Could I get the measurement from someone with a Post Dec.7 built truck? Thank you for your help, Scott == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:09:17 -0700 From: "mlester" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! Hi Jaye. I spell it that way. It started with my grandfather and the first born in each generation has been a boy so they got Martial. My son and grandson are the first born in their respective generations so the also got Martial. It sure gets spell a lot of different ways though. Happy trucking Martial - -----Original Message----- From: Jarchow, Jaye To: 'Ford Truck Enthusiasts' Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 7:56 AM Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Customer Returns Car - Didn't Like it! >Same in Washington state. According to the Attorney General's web page, >"Once you sing the contract, you own the car and are obligated to make >all payments" > >By the way, Martial, do you really spell your name that way? > >>> >>> We do not get any "cooling off period" in California. >>> >>> When you sign it is yours. >>> >>> Martial > >>Texas, it is the same -- you buy the truck, it is yours. > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:16:01 +700 From: bwat wa.freei.net Subject: FTE 97up - Fwd: Noise ****** Forwarded Message Follows ******* >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >From: bwat wa.freei.net >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:31:23 +700 >My '99 SD also has more road noise when the backseat is down. I am thinking >of gettting some sort of insulating batting to hang or glue in behind the "hanging >carpet". Any thoughts on this?. > >As far as engine noise on this V10, I notice it most around 1900RPM, kind of >a high pitched sound. My only bothersome rattle is the fold-down center console..I'm >working an that too. >Maybe Velcro so the door doesn't bounce around ? > >Is the guy with with the spring loaded drain plug for the 460 still out there? > > >BWAT in the great Northwest, lovin my truck! > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Neal Moon Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RECALL ACTION since we live in a society that is always looking for "easy money" the dealer should disconnect the cruise control to keep FoMoCo and themselves out of a lawsuit when sombody hurts or kills somebody when/if the cruise control sticks. the dealer is/was trying to limit his liability. we live in a society where if you spill hot coffee in your lap, you can sue for millions of dollars even though you were the one that did something stupid. i agree that the dealer should have told you that they cut the cruise contol cable but he should not have left the cruise alone. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:01:25 -0400 From: "Frank Wanicka" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD 250 HP? Rear wheel HP thread fwiw, Four Wheeler did test a 99 and got 245 RWHP and 590 ft-lbs of torque. that was when they first came out. i can'r remember if it was a stick or auto. turbodiesels generally dyno very well. they almost always show RWHP/RWTQ equal to or greater than the factory rating. __________________ Frank Wanicka 99 SD F-250 PSD > I've seen that rear wheel dyno HP is generally 18-20% loss from the > SAE NET horsepower with an automatic in 1:1 drive gear. Manual trannys > are usually in the 15-17% ballpark... so the automatic will typically > lose 3% more than the manual counterpart. I'm not sure about > our truck automatic trannys - they may lose more power due to their heavy > duty design. Rear gear ratio and even tires also will effect the > rear wheel horsepower shown on a chassis dyno. Different dynos > will also have slightly different numbers. Can you tell I'm not > a huge dyno fan? Take it to the track - those numbers don't lie. :-) > > HTH, > jC. '67 Camaro, '95 Z, '98 F150 - lugnutz.com > -- > Chris Akers mailto:jca celotek.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:05:39 EDT From: Ccdolf aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RECALL ACTION I'M WRITING THIS IN REGARDS TO THE "PROBLEM" BEHIND THE CRUISE CONTROL STICKING. I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM AND IT'S POSSIBLE AFFECTS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE WAYS AROUND THIS STICKING. FOR ONE IF IT DOES STICK WHILE ON AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY, YOU CAN ALWAYS SHIFT TO NEUTRAL, YOUR ENGINE WILL STAY AT IT'S PRESET CRUISE RPM AND NOT ACCELERATE, YOU CAN THEN PULL OFF THE HIGHWAY AND DISCONNECT YOUR CRUISE CABLE TO LET YOUR ENGINE RESUME IDLE RPM. THIS IS NOT AN ANSWER OR DEFENSE FOR FoMoCo BY ANY MEANS. I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM AND ALSO WOULD LIKE A POSSIBLE ATTEMPT ON IT'S SOLVING. HOWEVER, KNOWING SOME SIMPLE SAFETY TIPS ON HOW TO UNSTICK A STUCK ACCELERATOR OR CRUISE CONTROL, CAN GO A LONG WAY IN FUTURE PROBLEMS. ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO DEFEND FORD MOTOR CO AND SAY IT'S OK LIKE IT IS. I'M JUST SIMPLY STATING SOME OF MY OWN SAFETY PRACTICES. THANX-WILLIAM Ccdolf aol.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:05:24 EDT From: CERESJohnG aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? Doubtful that SD brackets would work, buy maybe. I beleive I read awhile back that the dual alternator option was available only for the ambulance option. Whether that option is avaiable with the V8 don't know, I sort of doubt it. In any case, that option is only available from fleet dealers and their parts counter. It's worth a look, as an option but a single bolt on high output alternator is probably a simple boltup. John G == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:52:12 -0700 From: "Matt Adams" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? Jean Marc Based on the threads Ive been reading sounds like I should be allright... I have the heavy duty altenator that came with the towing package. by the way, the PIAA 910's are 110 watts, the PIAA fog lights are 85 watts, and the Hella Driving Lights (which I am pretty sure that I will bet aking off, but am still unsure of), and the amp is 350 watts. Thats a heck of alot of wattage! :). Matt - -----Original Message----- From: Jean Marc Chartier To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 6:24 AM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - second battery in my f-150? >Matt Adams wrote: >> >> Has anyone installed a second battery into their f-150's? If so what type, >> and where did you mount it? I am installing two more sets of lights into my >> truck, and I have the feeling I have entirely too much attached to my >> battery (I have my 350 watt amp, will be up to three sets of lights, and my >> topper, or can I have that much all attached to the stock battery without >> any problems? The lights I have now are Hella 550's, the lights I will be >> installing are PIAA 520 Fog LIghts and PIAA 910 Driving Lights (both with >> remotes). >> >> Matt >> >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > >Matt, > > It isn't the battery that you must attend to it is the >alternator. If your alternator doesn't put out enough to >cover the increased drain from your accessories you will run >down your battery (ies). How many watts are the lights you >have and the ones you plan to install? > >Regards > >Jean Marc Chartier >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:06:30 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fwd: Noise I have a F-250 supercab and was noticing a lot of noise from the backseat area. Under the back seat there is no deadner except for the carpet. I removed the back seat, covered the 2 rear vents to the outside with duct tape then pulled the carpet back and glued another piece of heavy carpet to the portion that had no deadner and up the back of the cab to the bottom of the window. Reinstall the seat and took for a test drive, what a difference in the rear noise level. I did not see any negative results from covering the 2 cab vents. Also removed all door panels and installed carpet padding behind them. Did not notice as much improvement from doing this as I did the rear area fix. I will next attact the dash area, to much thin plastic and no deadner under it. Maybe do that next week. wat wa.freei.net wrote: > >My '99 SD also has more road noise when the backseat is down. I am thinking > >of gettting some sort of insulating batting to hang or glue in behind the "hanging > >carpet". Any thoughts on this?. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:09:04 -0600 From: "Joseph L. Casey" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fwd: Noise bwat wa.freei.net wrote: > >Is the guy with with the spring loaded drain plug for the 460 still out there? Here is the address, et al, for the drain plug > > > Oil Drain Valve > Fumoto Eng. of Amer > 12328 Northrup Way > Bellevue, WA 98005 > 425-869-7771 phone > 425-869-2558 fax > F-111 for PS > F-106 for 460 see letter == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:26:06 -0600 From: "Joseph L. Casey" Subject: FTE 97up - oil drain plug > bwat wa.freei.net wrote: > > > >Is the guy with with the spring loaded drain plug for the 460 still out there? > > Here is the address, et al, for the drain plug > > > > > > > Oil Drain Valve > > Fumoto Eng. of Amer > > 12328 Northrup Way > > Bellevue, WA 98005 > > 425-869-7771 phone > > 425-869-2558 fax > > F-111 for PS > > F-106 for 460 see letter > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:34:58 -0700 From: JJ Thomas Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Balance out. I just got a notice that my dealer is changing hands, been sold. Work has been crazy and I have not had a chance to chase this down... but I plan to call the dealer and see what they are doing. From there I have also been working with the Zone Manager and I'll check in with him. If I place an order in June, would I be looking at a 99 or a 00? When does Ford start delivering the 00's? I am also thinking I might do a plain trade. If I do a lemon swap, I go difference in MSRP between the old and new. But if I can get the new F-350 at about $1000 over cost, I pay about the same and I am not restricted to dealing with the original dealer. Unfortunately, someone gets my problem Ranger. I am sure the reselling dealer will not disclose its defects to the new buyer.:-( So there is a.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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