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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - V8 vs V10 Gas Milage (Tires) -Reply
FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
FTE 97up - Body side trim
Re: FTE 97up - Fog light switch
RE: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
Re: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
RE: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
Re: FTE 97up - Body side trim
RE: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter
FTE 97up - Shop Manual
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
RE: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim
Re: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim
Re: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim
FTE 97up - Superduty Floor mats
Re: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question
RE: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Floor mats
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 PSD ticking
Re: FTE 97up - Fog light switch
FTE 97up - Isn't This Truck Wonderful!
RE: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim
FTE 97up - Get Official Paperwork
FTE 97up - Passenger-Side Air-duct Wiring
Re: FTE 97up - Passenger-Side Air-duct Wiring
Re: FTE 97up - electric fan (was Fan clutch follies Part II)
Re: FTE 97up - Fan Supply power
FTE 97up - RECALL ACTION
Subject: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter
RE: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question
FTE 97up - Oil Filters
FTE 97up - Thank You.
Re: Subject: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter
FTE 97up - RE: Finally Arrived ! ! ! !
FTE 97up - ""The Book Of Dealer Screw-Ups""
FTE 97up - Re:
Re: FTE 97up - ""The Book Of Dealer Screw-Ups""
Re: FTE 97up - Shop Manual

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:04:22 PDT
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V8 vs V10 Gas Milage (Tires) -Reply

Well then....Lets all do it...Nobody here cares about money.

Frank

My guess is that it wouldnt be worth the money but it would work.


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:29:40 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height

After installing my 2" Superlift in the front of my F250 SD/SC 4x4, I
noticed that now the rear actually sits slightly lower than the front.
After trying to figure out why this was the case, I drove over to a
neighboring dealer and measured some of thier trucks, sure enough, mine
was anout 2" lower than all of those. I found out that I have 2" blocks
under the rear leafs instead of the 4" ones. It looks to me like they
performed the TSB for lowering the rear for use with a 5th wheel trailer!
Now I have to go back to my dealer and get the 4" blocks. I am not sure if
the dealer did this, or are they cming from the factory like this now?


Nathan or anyone else,

Do you have the TSB number for the lowering fix? I can at least give that
to the dealer to work backwards from. Or do you know the part number of the
4" blocks and corresponding U bolts?


Thanks,

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:31:52 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - Body side trim

Does anyone know why some of the Superduties come with the trim piece in
front of wheel well on the box and some do not? Mine did not come with
this piece, but I noticed that most I see have it. Any ideas?


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:38:52 EDT
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog light switch

In a message dated 4/13/99 2:50:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, FISHNG1 aol.com
writes:


you know what I mean. >>

It's actually worse, at least your flesh heals.

VTY

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:54:34 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Door gaskets

Nathan,

It's an XLT crew cab with factory running boards (some posts have suggested
that this makes a difference). It was built in January of this year (I can
get the exact build date and the VIN if you need it). They're missing from
the front doors, but I didn't think to check the back. It's a fantastic
truck and we have no complaints at all. We find the ride extremely quiet
even without the gaskets, but dirt does tend to gather outside the frame
gaskets. When we bring it in for tire rotation in a couple of months, I'm
going to get the gaskets whether they're under warranty or not. My sincere
thanks for the wealth of information you have provided this group.

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut adiis.net]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 4:48 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets


I'm going to do a little more reaserch on this I'll try and get some
information to you in a day or two. What style truck to you have? (regular,
super or crew)

Nathan Bernard

- ----- Original Message -----
From: George Rigney
To:
Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Door gaskets


> Nathan,
>
> My wife's F250 SD is missing the door gaskets. Can you post the part
> number, please? Also, is that a free fix? By the way, it's a 2x4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
>
> 1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
> 1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
> 1999 F250 SD CC V10
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut adiis.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:30 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
>
>
> There is only one plant that makes F-350's (Kentucky Truck Plant KTP). I
> don't know why some of the trucks don't have the gaskets. I've had a few
> F-150's with this problem, but its easy to fix.
>
> Nathan Bernard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jaeger & Daly & College Planners Inc.
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
>
>
> > I wonder if all of these trucks with the missing gaskets are comming
from
> > one manufacturing plant? I am about to order my F-350 and I think that
I
> > can request a truck from a specified manufacturing plant... not sure...
> > Anyone know the truth.
> > Harold in the Chicago Area.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: GEORGE CROLL
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 4:20 PM
> > Subject: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
> >
> >
> > > My 99 does not have any gaskets on the door other than the rubber seal
> on
> > the cab. What is this door gasket and
> > > where does it go. Does it attach to the bottom of the door so mud
does
> > not get on the inside of the door below the
> > > cab seal. I get a lot of crap there. I also removed the factory
steps
> > because they did'nt suite my taste. They are for
> > > sale if someone wants to make me an offer. They seemed pretty steep
in
> > the catalog from ford.
> > >
> > > thanks for the tip on the door gaskets, I had no idea until reading
the
> > list.
> > >
> > >
> > > George Croll
> > > EPA-OAR-ARD
> > > (202)564-0162
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:25:13 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question

The best solution is to go check the trucks on the dealers lot. If they
don't surge, that should tell the dealer something. If they still won't fix
it call the Ford 800 number in the owners manual.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jose Pomposo Jr.
To: ford
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 7:11 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question


> Does anybody out there that has a 1997-98 F-150 with the 5.4L V8 w auto
> trans. have a problem with the truck idleing rough? I am currently in a
> battle with my dealer about the excessive surging that goes on in my
engine.
> They claim that the rough idle is a "characteristic" of the 5.4L V8. I
> don't buy it, but I need proof before going any further.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jose Pomposo
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:37:54 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height

Effective on all trucks built after Feb 15th they sit lower now. They
didn't lower them as far as the Lowering kit (removes the blocks entirely),
but they switched the 4" blocks for 2". I talked to the service hotline and
they told me that if the customer wanted to I could replace the blocks
(you'll have to check shocks, U-bolts and brake hoses also) with the old
style ones.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, inc

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Strukel, Mike
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:29 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height


> After installing my 2" Superlift in the front of my F250 SD/SC 4x4, I
> noticed that now the rear actually sits slightly lower than the front.
> After trying to figure out why this was the case, I drove over to a
> neighboring dealer and measured some of thier trucks, sure enough,
mine
> was anout 2" lower than all of those. I found out that I have 2" blocks
> under the rear leafs instead of the 4" ones. It looks to me like they
> performed the TSB for lowering the rear for use with a 5th wheel trailer!
> Now I have to go back to my dealer and get the 4" blocks. I am not sure
if
> the dealer did this, or are they cming from the factory like this now?
>
>
> Nathan or anyone else,
>
> Do you have the TSB number for the lowering fix? I can at least give
that
> to the dealer to work backwards from. Or do you know the part number of
the
> 4" blocks and corresponding U bolts?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Strukel


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:44:35 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height

Would the dealer be able to do that under Warranty? Otherwise, I will
get the blocks and do it myself.

It would need new U bolts, and I think that the brake line is long enough.
I already have new Superlift shocks which are the correct height for the old
spacers.


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Union Auto [SMTP:unionaut adiis.net]
> Sent:Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:38 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
>
> Effective on all trucks built after Feb 15th they sit lower now. They
> didn't lower them as far as the Lowering kit (removes the blocks
> entirely),
> but they switched the 4" blocks for 2". I talked to the service hotline
> and
> they told me that if the customer wanted to I could replace the blocks
> (you'll have to check shocks, U-bolts and brake hoses also) with the old
> style ones.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, inc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Strukel, Mike
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:29 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
>
>
> > After installing my 2" Superlift in the front of my F250 SD/SC 4x4, I
> > noticed that now the rear actually sits slightly lower than the front.
> > After trying to figure out why this was the case, I drove over to a
> > neighboring dealer and measured some of thier trucks, sure enough,
> mine
> > was anout 2" lower than all of those. I found out that I have 2"
> blocks
> > under the rear leafs instead of the 4" ones. It looks to me like
> they
> > performed the TSB for lowering the rear for use with a 5th wheel
> trailer!
> > Now I have to go back to my dealer and get the 4" blocks. I am not
> sure
> if
> > the dealer did this, or are they cming from the factory like this now?
> >
> >
> > Nathan or anyone else,
> >
> > Do you have the TSB number for the lowering fix? I can at least give
> that
> > to the dealer to work backwards from. Or do you know the part number of
> the
> > 4" blocks and corresponding U bolts?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Strukel
>
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:53:05 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height

Its a gray area, but I would cover it under warranty. Ask your dealer and
see. They might have the parts from a truck that they lowered and so they
wouldn't have to order anything.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Strukel, Mike
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height


> Would the dealer be able to do that under Warranty? Otherwise, I will
> get the blocks and do it myself.
>
> It would need new U bolts, and I think that the brake line is long
enough.
> I already have new Superlift shocks which are the correct height for the
old
> spacers.
>
>
> Mike Strukel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Union Auto [SMTP:unionaut adiis.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:38 AM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
> >
> > Effective on all trucks built after Feb 15th they sit lower now. They
> > didn't lower them as far as the Lowering kit (removes the blocks
> > entirely),
> > but they switched the 4" blocks for 2". I talked to the service hotline
> > and
> > they told me that if the customer wanted to I could replace the blocks
> > (you'll have to check shocks, U-bolts and brake hoses also) with the old
> > style ones.
> >
> > Nathan Bernard
> > Union Auto, inc
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Strukel, Mike
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:29 AM
> > Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
> >
> >
> > > After installing my 2" Superlift in the front of my F250 SD/SC 4x4,
I
> > > noticed that now the rear actually sits slightly lower than the front.
> > > After trying to figure out why this was the case, I drove over to a
> > > neighboring dealer and measured some of thier trucks, sure enough,
> > mine
> > > was anout 2" lower than all of those. I found out that I have 2"
> > blocks
> > > under the rear leafs instead of the 4" ones. It looks to me like
> > they
> > > performed the TSB for lowering the rear for use with a 5th wheel
> > trailer!
> > > Now I have to go back to my dealer and get the 4" blocks. I am not
> > sure
> > if
> > > the dealer did this, or are they cming from the factory like this now?
> > >
> > >
> > > Nathan or anyone else,
> > >
> > > Do you have the TSB number for the lowering fix? I can at least
give
> > that
> > > to the dealer to work backwards from. Or do you know the part number
of
> > the
> > > 4" blocks and corresponding U bolts?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mike Strukel
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:13:30 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Body side trim

I just assumed that it was another cost reduction on 99.5s. I mentioned it to
my dealer and he wasn't aware of it (or the removal of the cats or passenger
seat lumbar support or raised white letters on spare). There are actually two
pieces missing, the other one is the short little stub just after the rear door.

To tell you the truth, my super cab short box actually looks better this way,
more symmetrical. But given a choice, I would preferred to have the extra
protection of the missing bodyside moldings.

One thing I got that I didn't expect was rear floor mats. According to the
Ford brochure, only the crew cab comes with them.

Charles, of northern Illinois.



"Strukel, Mike" wrote:

> Does anyone know why some of the Superduties come with the trim piece in
> front of wheel well on the box and some do not? Mine did not come with
> this piece, but I noticed that most I see have it. Any ideas?
>
> Mike Strukel
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:23:07 -0700
From: "Rivera, Max"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter

I just bought a 97 f150 xl with a 4.2l and only has 22300 miles on it and
the check engine light just came on during the weekend and has not gone out
since. I havent called the dealer yet, just curious that it has happened to
some one else with low milage. Any suggestions?

Maximo D. Rivera
1997 f150 xl 4.2l
mailto:max.rivera compaq.com

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From: TMac79 aol.com [mailto:TMac79 aol.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 8:12 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter


Hi Everybody,
Just got my 97 f-150 SC XL 4.2L back from the dealer today. The
problem was the check engine light came on over the weekend. (wouldn't
bother
me much, but i just got the truck last monday) Anyway, the service tech said

that a bad catalytic converter was the culprit. And of course, they have to
order the parts which is gonna take a week,but it's still driveable. Seems
kinda strange to me because the truck only has 33k miles on it(thank
goodness
for warranties!!) Has anyone else had this kind of problem with their
truck??
I'm curoius to see if a new Cat will improve power a little bit.

Tom Maciejewski
97 f-150 SC XL 4.2L
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:27:12 -0400
From: "Marue, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - Shop Manual

I have a 1997 F-150 short bed.
Where can I purchase the shop manuals for my truck?

Michael Marue
Maruemi pbworld.com



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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:22:53 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height

Wow! So you mean that my '99 F-350 SuperDuty built 12/1/98 with a 3.5"
front lift by Tuff-Coutry will sit higher (even in the rear) than all the
new stock SuperDuties! Interesting, it looks like some of the aftermarket
companies will have to change their spring replacement hights. For example,
I purchased the 3.5" TuffCountry front spring replacement kit so the truck
would sit dead-level. I guess folks that purchase that system now would
either be front-end too high or they would also have to replace the (new)
2-inch rear blocks with the (old) 4-inch ones.


Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height


>Effective on all trucks built after Feb 15th they sit lower now. They
>didn't lower them as far as the Lowering kit (removes the blocks entirely),
>but they switched the 4" blocks for 2". I talked to the service hotline
and
>they told me that if the customer wanted to I could replace the blocks
>(you'll have to check shocks, U-bolts and brake hoses also) with the old
>style ones.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, inc
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Strukel, Mike
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:29 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
>
>
>> After installing my 2" Superlift in the front of my F250 SD/SC 4x4, I
>> noticed that now the rear actually sits slightly lower than the front.
>> After trying to figure out why this was the case, I drove over to a
>> neighboring dealer and measured some of thier trucks, sure enough,
>mine
>> was anout 2" lower than all of those. I found out that I have 2"
blocks
>> under the rear leafs instead of the 4" ones. It looks to me like they
>> performed the TSB for lowering the rear for use with a 5th wheel trailer!
>> Now I have to go back to my dealer and get the 4" blocks. I am not sure
>if
>> the dealer did this, or are they cming from the factory like this now?
>>
>>
>> Nathan or anyone else,
>>
>> Do you have the TSB number for the lowering fix? I can at least give
>that
>> to the dealer to work backwards from. Or do you know the part number of
>the
>> 4" blocks and corresponding U bolts?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike Strukel
>
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:49:16 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height

You are correct. I called Superlift this morning and told them about the
change in block height. They did not know about this change and were not
very happy to hear about it. I have called my dealer and they are going
to order the old 4" blocks and U bolts for me at no charge. Since it is a
very simple install, I will do the swap myself and give them back the 2"
blocks. I have to check to make sure the brake lines are long enough, but
my guess is that they changed the block, but kept the brake lines that
worked with the 4" block( I Hope!!!)

Basically, All of the leveling kits (Superlift, Trailmaster, Tuff Country,
and Skyjacker) have obsolete products at this point. They will now need
to offer a full lift for the front and back of the truck.


Mike Strukel
Tilted F250 SD

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Keith Veren [SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> Sent:Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:23 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
>
> Wow! So you mean that my '99 F-350 SuperDuty built 12/1/98 with a 3.5"
> front lift by Tuff-Coutry will sit higher (even in the rear) than all the
> new stock SuperDuties! Interesting, it looks like some of the aftermarket
> companies will have to change their spring replacement hights. For
> example,
> I purchased the 3.5" TuffCountry front spring replacement kit so the truck
> would sit dead-level. I guess folks that purchase that system now would
> either be front-end too high or they would also have to replace the (new)
> 2-inch rear blocks with the (old) 4-inch ones.
>
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
>
>
> >Effective on all trucks built after Feb 15th they sit lower now. They
> >didn't lower them as far as the Lowering kit (removes the blocks
> entirely),
> >but they switched the 4" blocks for 2". I talked to the service hotline
> and
> >they told me that if the customer wanted to I could replace the blocks
> >(you'll have to check shocks, U-bolts and brake hoses also) with the old
> >style ones.
> >
> >Nathan Bernard
> >Union Auto, inc
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Strukel, Mike
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:29 AM
> >Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty rear height
> >
> >
> >> After installing my 2" Superlift in the front of my F250 SD/SC 4x4,
> I
> >> noticed that now the rear actually sits slightly lower than the front.
> >> After trying to figure out why this was the case, I drove over to a
> >> neighboring dealer and measured some of thier trucks, sure enough,
> >mine
> >> was anout 2" lower than all of those. I found out that I have 2"
> blocks
> >> under the rear leafs instead of the 4" ones. It looks to me like
> they
> >> performed the TSB for lowering the rear for use with a 5th wheel
> trailer!
> >> Now I have to go back to my dealer and get the 4" blocks. I am not
> sure
> >if
> >> the dealer did this, or are they cming from the factory like this now?
> >>
> >>
> >> Nathan or anyone else,
> >>
> >> Do you have the TSB number for the lowering fix? I can at least give
> >that
> >> to the dealer to work backwards from. Or do you know the part number
> of
> >the
> >> 4" blocks and corresponding U bolts?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Mike Strukel
> >
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:53:31 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim

Actually, speaking of floor mats, I picked up a set of Ford floor mats for
my SD last night. I figured that the Ford mats made specifically for that
truck would fit real nice.
That sure was not the case. The mats fit terrible! It covered about
2/3 of the area and left part exposed. The color (Gray) was also a
different shade and did not match. Needless to say, I wil be returning
these tonight and go look for an aftermarket set.

Has anyone found a floor mat that fits well?


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Charles Abraham [SMTP:abrahamc agcs.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:14 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Body side trim
>
> I just assumed that it was another cost reduction on 99.5s. I mentioned it
> to
> my dealer and he wasn't aware of it (or the removal of the cats or
> passenger
> seat lumbar support or raised white letters on spare). There are actually
> two
> pieces missing, the other one is the short little stub just after the rear
> door.
>
> To tell you the truth, my super cab short box actually looks better this
> way,
> more symmetrical. But given a choice, I would preferred to have the extra
> protection of the missing bodyside moldings.
>
> One thing I got that I didn't expect was rear floor mats. According to the
> Ford brochure, only the crew cab comes with them.
>
> Charles, of northern Illinois.
>
>
>
> "Strukel, Mike" wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know why some of the Superduties come with the trim piece in
> > front of wheel well on the box and some do not? Mine did not come with
> > this piece, but I noticed that most I see have it. Any ideas?
> >
> > Mike Strukel
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:06:35 EDT
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim

check the pro bass truck catologe they have great form fitting ones that are
also tray like
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:11:56 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim

The rear floor of my super cab is effectively flat and could of taken one
long mat instead of the two short mats provided, which leaves the center
rear floor area unprotected.

The front passenger side mat is narrow because the transmission hump is
bias to that side. What I don't like is that the entire "hump" area of carpet
which lays directly beneath the cup holders is totally unprotected.

I'd rate the quality of the front and rear mats that came with my Lariat,
as very good - but certainly, not plush or excellent. Looking at buying
the deep-dish and expensive rubber mats out of Cabela's mail order
catalog - they offer a one piece (I believe) for the back of the super cab.

Charles.



"Strukel, Mike" wrote:

> The mats fit terrible! Has anyone found a floor mat that fits well?
>
> Mike Strukel

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:21:24 -0500
From: "David Moore"
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty Floor mats

It sounds like that you didn't get the specific formats for the 99 F-Series.
Several things - there are two sets - one for the driver and passenger and a
single long mat for the Crew Cab (if you have). It should on the drivers
and passenger side mats say "F-Series" and for the drivers side there should
be an eye-let for the mat hook. The color (mine is tan) should match
wonderfully as does mine.

Return them as ask for the specific mats.

BTW - they should be about 35-40 a set.

david

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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 10:54 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side
trim


Actually, speaking of floor mats, I picked up a set of Ford floor mats for
my SD last night. I figured that the Ford mats made specifically for that
truck would fit real nice.
That sure was not the case. The mats fit terrible! It covered about
2/3 of the area and left part exposed. The color (Gray) was also a
different shade and did not match. Needless to say, I wil be returning
these tonight and go look for an aftermarket set.

Has anyone found a floor mat that fits well?


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Charles Abraham [SMTP:abrahamc agcs.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:14 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Body side trim
>
> I just assumed that it was another cost reduction on 99.5s. I mentioned it
> to
> my dealer and he wasn't aware of it (or the removal of the cats or
> passenger
> seat lumbar support or raised white letters on spare). There are actually
> two
> pieces missing, the other one is the short little stub just after the rear
> door.
>
> To tell you the truth, my super cab short box actually looks better this
> way,
> more symmetrical. But given a choice, I would preferred to have the extra
> protection of the missing bodyside moldings.
>
> One thing I got that I didn't expect was rear floor mats. According to the
> Ford brochure, only the crew cab comes with them.
>
> Charles, of northern Illinois.
>
>
>
> "Strukel, Mike" wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know why some of the Superduties come with the trim piece in
> > front of wheel well on the box and some do not? Mine did not come with
> > this piece, but I noticed that most I see have it. Any ideas?
> >
> > Mike Strukel
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:29:21 -0700
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question

>I am currently in a
>battle with my dealer about the excessive surging that goes on in my engine.
>They claim that the rough idle is a "characteristic" of the 5.4L V8.

Not mine. Smooth at first startup, then smooth as it slows down after a
minute or two of warmup. (No V8 I test-drove idled roughly that I recall.)

Rough idle is a sensitive indicator of several potential problems having to
do with cylinder sealing (valves, rings), fouling or failing plugs, or
injection, since symptoms may smooth out as engine revs increase when
driving.

I'd keep making an issue of it.
- ---------------
Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:52:54 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim

To anyone who has not ordered their truck yet, I recommend the carpet delete
option. You get a black rubber non-skid surface that is very easy to clean.
It has the same acoustic padding under it that the carpet does, so there is
no difference in the cab noise level (we test-drove with and without carpet
to compare). It doesn't have 'ribs' like some rubber mats. Rather, it is
covered with tiny bumps that give your feet a sure grip without gathering
dirt.

As for the hump question, perhaps you can get one of those storage bins that
fit on the hump. It would sit right under the cup-holders and would protect
your carpet from spills. While we're on the subject, I have used Tuff-Stuff
carpet cleaner to get out soft-drink stains that were baked in for years out
of the carpet of my Torino. (My brother-in-law had no respect for a
treasured classic.)

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

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From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:12 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body
side trim


The rear floor of my super cab is effectively flat and could of taken one
long mat instead of the two short mats provided, which leaves the center
rear floor area unprotected.

The front passenger side mat is narrow because the transmission hump is
bias to that side. What I don't like is that the entire "hump" area of
carpet
which lays directly beneath the cup holders is totally unprotected.

I'd rate the quality of the front and rear mats that came with my Lariat,
as very good - but certainly, not plush or excellent. Looking at buying
the deep-dish and expensive rubber mats out of Cabela's mail order
catalog - they offer a one piece (I believe) for the back of the super cab.

Charles.



"Strukel, Mike" wrote:

> The mats fit terrible! Has anyone found a floor mat that fits well?
>
> Mike Strukel

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:11:07 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Floor mats

Must be another cost reduction for my front mat don't say F-series; they
do have the "eye" for the hook. I know these are the real ones that were
delivered with my new Lariat, because I was there to unpack it after just
coming off of the tractor trailer truck. The color match is perfect.

David Moore wrote:

>
> It should on the drivers and passenger side mats say "F-Series" and for the
> drivers side there should
> be an eye-let for the mat hook. The color (mine is tan) should match
> wonderfully as does mine.
>
> david
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Strukel, Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 10:54 AM
> To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side
> trim
>
> Actually, speaking of floor mats, I picked up a set of Ford floor mats for
> my SD last night. I figured that the Ford mats made specifically for that
> truck would fit real nice.
> That sure was not the case. The mats fit terrible! It covered about
> 2/3 of the area and left part exposed. The color (Gray) was also a
> different shade and did not match. Needless to say, I wil be returning
> these tonight and go look for an aftermarket set.
>
> Has anyone found a floor mat that fits well?
>
> Mike Strukel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Abraham [SMTP:abrahamc agcs.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:14 AM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Body side trim
> >
> > I just assumed that it was another cost reduction on 99.5s. I mentioned it
> > to
> > my dealer and he wasn't aware of it (or the removal of the cats or
> > passenger
> > seat lumbar support or raised white letters on spare). There are actually
> > two
> > pieces missing, the other one is the short little stub just after the rear
> > door.
> >
> > To tell you the truth, my super cab short box actually looks better this
> > way,
> > more symmetrical. But given a choice, I would preferred to have the extra
> > protection of the missing bodyside moldings.
> >
> > One thing I got that I didn't expect was rear floor mats. According to the
> > Ford brochure, only the crew cab comes with them.
> >
> > Charles, of northern Illinois.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Strukel, Mike" wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know why some of the Superduties come with the trim piece in
> > > front of wheel well on the box and some do not? Mine did not come with
> > > this piece, but I noticed that most I see have it. Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Mike Strukel
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:29:08 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 PSD ticking

Yes, next time you take a test drive, with this mechanic, get him to 'sign'
that he noted the noise and that his advice was to continue driving it.
It's been my experience that; that kind of advice comes back to haunt YOUR
pocket book later.

FWIW,
C.K.

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:33:59 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog light switch

Consider a cheaper individual switch, since you don't need them on all the
time with your regular lights. Take the time to do the cosmetic surgery to
your baby with care and tenderness, she'll come through it alright. And if
you can't bear to do it yourself, then you could pay Ford or some other
place to put callous hands on her. but then what would be the point
of not buying the first switch for near 70 bucks in the first place?

C.K.

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:49:15 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Isn't This Truck Wonderful!

After waiting seven months, I find it still all worth it. Even after
finding out just today from Nathan that my truck is two inches
shorter in the back than earlier models, I'm still the tallest in the
parking lot at work. And driving through the small towns between
work and home, it always catching someone's eye. I love the interior
layout and the dip in the side windows which makes for great viewing.
I know Chevy lovers hate Ford trucks - but how could anyone not
love this truck!

One week of ownership completed,

Charles.



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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:04:46 -0500
From: Todd Styles
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side trim


The rear floor of my super cab is effectively flat and could of taken one
long mat instead of the two short mats provided, which leaves the center
rear floor area unprotected.


I ordered the factory floormats and the rear mat is a one-piece unit for the
F250SD,SC.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:07:12 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Get Official Paperwork

Agreed. I always have the service manager print out one of their official
receipts that includes the VIN #, milage, Date, Names, etc., etc., that
says "Customer Complaint Confirmed - Tapping Noise (or whatever) Verified by
Technician". Then you are covered for any warrentee or lemon-law issues.


Keith


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From: C. K. Hartline
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 PSD ticking


>Yes, next time you take a test drive, with this mechanic, get him to 'sign'
>that he noted the noise and that his advice was to continue driving it.
>It's been my experience that; that kind of advice comes back to haunt YOUR
>pocket book later.
>
>FWIW,
>C.K.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:12:32 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Passenger-Side Air-duct Wiring

I have a '99 SuperDuty F-350 / XLT / SuperCab / V-10 / 4X4 / Longbed / etc.
and noticed that on the below the glovebox, when looking up from the
passenger-side floorboard, a small wiring harness that goes from under the
glovebox to what looks like an air duct is kind of hanging down low where a
passenger's foot may inadvertently catch it. Does anyone else notice
this?? I was going to try to move it, but there is not a whole lot of slack
in it and it will not reach the nearest point that has a clip that looks
like it was designed to hold it.


Keith



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From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: FTE 97up- Superduty Floor mats -was Body side
trim


>The rear floor of my super cab is effectively flat and could of taken one
>long mat instead of the two short mats provided, which leaves the center
>rear floor area unprotected.
>
>The front passenger side mat is narrow because the transmission hump is
>bias to that side. What I don't like is that the entire "hump" area of
carpet
>which lays directly beneath the cup holders is totally unprotected.
>
>I'd rate the quality of the front and rear mats that came with my Lariat,
>as very good - but certainly, not plush or excellent. Looking at buying
>the deep-dish and expensive rubber mats out of Cabela's mail order
>catalog - they offer a one piece (I believe) for the back of the super cab.
>
>Charles.
>
>
>
>"Strukel, Mike" wrote:
>
>> The mats fit terrible! Has anyone found a floor mat that fits well?
>>
>> Mike Strukel
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:54:31 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Passenger-Side Air-duct Wiring

After verifying where the wiring is hooked or why there is not much slack,
consider just taking a plastic zip tie and attaching it to the closest
wiring without worrying about attaching it via the clip that is out of
reach. It could simply be hung up on something beyond your line of site.
And if at a later time a technician needs to get to the wiring it is
attached to with the zip tie, you can easily snip it and replace it with
another zip tie.

C.K.

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - electric fan (was Fan clutch follies Part II)

> When it was first mentioned on the list I admit I was
> against using an electric fan. Since then I have heard of a
> mustang with a V10. It used an electric fan. If it can
> cool a V10 it should be able to cool a V8. An off road
> truck spends a lot of time in slow speed situations as does
> a truck in traffic, and I am still leery of the fans ability
> to cool things under these conditions. As for the rad it
> has the same part # in the manual for all three engines.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier

Tim A. got us the numbers for the stock fan. I don't have them with me,
but I think it flowed more than the 16" electric above 2 or 3000 RPM.
When stuck in traffic, the electric will flow more so it should actually
be better. It *should* be better. The only way to to know for sure is to
let a mule test it. :) Stay tuned...

Danny

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan Supply power

> :I think that most cars that arrive from the factory have the fan on a
> :circuit that is Hot at all times. My cars have never had a problem of the
> :battery running dead.
> :
> :You will note that the under hood temperatures will rise on a hot summer
> :day. After shutting down an engine the fan must be allowed to run to cool
> :the engine compartment. You may experiencing starting problems with high
> :under hood temps. My Electric fans on my vehicles never ran more than 3 to
> :5 minutes after engine shutdown. I personally would wire the electric fan
> :to a Hot at all times circuit. If you find it running too long than the
> :thermostat is set at the wrong temp.
> :
> :my 2 cents.
> :
> :Scott.
> :============
> :
> I believe this would be the best way, too. My old car with an
> electric fan operated this way, and it never caused a problem.
>
> Later,
> Alan

Hmmm. The fan on my wife's '85 Camry turns off when the engine is
shut-down. If the fan was running when I pulled into the garage after a
hot summer commute, I would let it idle until the fan stopped and then
shut off the engine. If the fan is running after the engine is off, it's
only going to cool the water in the radiator. Maybe the best solution is
to allow the fan to run no more than, say, 2 minutes after the engine is
off?

Thanks for the comments,

Danny

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:25:27 -0400
From: "John W. Barron"
Subject: FTE 97up - RECALL ACTION

My son and I each have a 1999 Ranger. We both received the Recall
Notice from Ford. The letter states that parts would not be available
until mid-May.
However, it was suggested that the customer visit their dealer for
inspection prior to the parts arriving - sort of implying that you could
be told that your
particular Cruise Control cable was not involved.

My son took his truck in for an oil change, and spoke to the customer
rep. at the entrance. "While the truck is here, you might as well take a
look at it."
When the service was completed, and he drove off, he learned that the
Cruise Control no longer worked. He went back to the dealer. He was
told that the process to keep him (customers) from re-connecting their
control consisted in CUTTING THE CABLE!!!! They cut the cable without
his permission, without his knowledge, and did not tell him that they
had done it. " You are the first person who noticed that we had done
that!"

So, Fort Ranger, Explorer, etc. owners, it you like your cruise control,
don't go in for the friendly inspection until you are sure that
replacement parts are in.
You'll be without the control until then.


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j.w.barron worldnet.att.net
PCS Mobile Phone: 919-272-2384

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:28:39 -0400
From: RAY WRIGHT
Subject: Subject: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter

My 99 f-350 sc psd has 2100 miles on it and the other
day the service engine soon light came on for 10 min.
until i turned it off,after work i started the truck and the
light was off.I stopped at the dealer and they said any little thing
could trigger this,and i could make a appointment for them to
look at it.But they said I should just drive the truck,and
watch for the light,since then it has'nt came back on.Anyone
else had this light come on?And is this light different from
a check engine light?
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:27:28 -0600
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question

After 30,000 miles mine will cause an empty aluminum can to just barely
vibrate in the cup holder on the dash at idle. I don't consider this rough.
As far as surging the tach shows a running engine but it basically stays
constant about 800 rpm with maybe +/- 25 rpm variances and that's being
generous.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jose Pomposo Jr.
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 6:11 PM
> To: ford
> Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question
>
>
> Does anybody out there that has a 1997-98 F-150 with the 5.4L V8 w auto
> trans. have a problem with the truck idleing rough? I am currently in a
> battle with my dealer about the excessive surging that goes on in
> my engine.
> They claim that the rough idle is a "characteristic" of the 5.4L V8. I
> don't buy it, but I need proof before going any further.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jose Pomposo
>

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:38:04 -0400
From: Flipper
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Filters

Walmart sells the ford FL1995 oilfilter in our area (New York)for 9.95

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:16:41 +0200
From: "Isaac Gutman"
Subject: FTE 97up - Thank You.

Hello everybody.
I have been following this great list for months,
deriving a real wealth of informatiom regarding
my next truck. Currently residing in Israel, I had
to buy the truck of choice ( Ford F 1999, is there
anything else ? ) 'long distance', meaning - getting
all the info via the internet, magazines, phone calls,
etc. Deciding on a dealer became a major issue
obviously - it has to be based on trust - with somebody
that I have never met before.
We all gained so much knowledge and help from Mr.
Nathan Bernard From Union Auto, and we all know and
read about the various truck dealers and salemen's
'know how' ( like the one that climbed on the tow hook
or those that didn't even know that there suppose to be door
guskets, etc), I called Nathan and after a very short discussion
placed an order for the truck.
What shall I tell you guys, it is a real PLEASURE. The man
suggested some changes in the option list, placed the
order with Ford, I got the VIN a few days later (!),
Meanwhile snail mailed (to Israel) the DORA, a few days later
Informed me that there is a built day, than that it was 'bucked', than-
that the truck was built, is on the train and gave me the rail
car number !!! No hussle, no haggle,very knowledgable, to the point,
a real proffesional !!!
After so many horror stories about car dealers, to deal with sombody like
that - long distance, trusting that the truck will come as ordered, well
prepped
and ready for me, and all that so reasonably priced - it is a real pleasure
to buy a car !
THANK YOU, NATHAN, for all the help and for my truck .
So sorry for being so verbose, I think the man deserve it.

Isaac, the future proud owner of the 1999.5 F 250, SD, SC, PSD, 4x4
manual, LB, Lariat.






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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:04:54 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: Subject: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter

The "Service Engine Soon" light and "Check engine" light are the same thing.
It just depends what you have (F-150, SD, or any other line) which one it
reads out. Either means emmisions problems, and are not a major concern.

Nathan Bernard
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From: RAY WRIGHT
To: 97
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 3:28 PM
Subject: Subject: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter


> My 99 f-350 sc psd has 2100 miles on it and the other
> day the service engine soon light came on for 10 min.
> until i turned it off,after work i started the truck and the
> light was off.I stopped at the dealer and they said any little thing
> could trigger this,and i could make a appointment for them to
> look at it.But they said I should just drive the truck,and
> watch for the light,since then it has'nt came back on.Anyone
> else had this light come on?And is this light different from
> a check engine light?
> Ray Wright
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adry Gimenez
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Finally Arrived ! ! ! !

Hey,


Congrats, on t he truck. Youre one of the lucky ones, you only had to wait 5 months to get yours. Try waiting 2 years until the truck comes out then, 11 months for your truck to arrive from order date. In total I waited about 35 months for the truck to arrive. Now you know why your one of the lucky ones,,,,,,
Luck on the truck........




Becks2

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:14:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adry Gimenez
Subject: FTE 97up - ""The Book Of Dealer Screw-Ups""

Hey,



I think we may be on to something with all of these story`s. Maybe we should combine them all and post them on the ford-trucks site. This may be a catching on thing. The thing is that someone has to get ahold of all these story and mail them...Any volenteers????????


Thanks,

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:49:12 -0600
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:

Try the Diesel Injection Service (or something close to that). It is a link
on the ford -diesel. ....


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